[–]▶ 4009f1 (2) No.5546>>5547 >>5551 >>5568 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
So, now that you have seen it, what did you think of McFarland Trek/the Orville?
PS Whay is the captcha being such a little bitch
▶ 4009f1 (2) No.5547
>>5546 (OP)
Jesus, Finally my thread got posted.
▶ c3be71 (1) No.5551
>>5546 (OP)
Pretty clumsy with the exposition and some of the characters seem flat, but I got a couple chuckles. I hope it comes into its own; there could be something there, especially since the Trek franchise is in the shit right now. Maybe it'll give us the fix or maybe it'll inspire some more competition in the genre.
▶ 657648 (2) No.5556
Didn't laugh once. It's just OK. Hopefully it gets better.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5568>>5604 >>6483
>>5546 (OP)
>So, now that you have seen it, what did you think of McFarland Trek/the Orville?
Pros:
>First episode is the pilot, which means it features things that will be fixed in later episodes. And, for a pilot, it was bretty gud.
>Cast seems to already have some chemistry, with possibly the exception of Sisko's old girlfriend, who comes across as an arrogant old hag
>Robot can't figure humans out but, rather than the "aspiring to be human" route, they've gone with "fleshling is nigger of the universe" angle. Mind you, he wasn't particularly "racist" towards the other races, so let's hope that gets more obvious
>It actually feels like what life would probably be like on the smaller Fed ships, especially ones that weren't meant for war.
>I like the humorless tank character
>Character who's unnaturally strong can actually Hulk-jump, unlike almost every single strong character in comics, tv, and movies. I'm tired of seeing someone who can punch through walls only having the speed and agility of a normal person, so this was a pleasant change.
>It honors Roddenberry's vision far more than fucking ST:D can ever hope to.
Cons:
>All the funniest stuff was in the trailer
>Captain not only gets cucked by wife, he wouldn't even be a captain if she hadn't called in favors, so he owes both his failures and achievements as a man to the same woman.
>In fact, she's manipulated him every step of the way, including getting him to accept her as XO.
>"Hugging the Donkey" is a shit move. They flew around, getting shot, and never once just stopped in the exposed rear area and started firing.
>I suspect this show may be some sort of working pension for old Star Trek bit-players, as we've seen Cassidy and Mr. Bashir from DS9, already. Prepare for cringe. I'm sure we'll see Max Grodenchik as a cafeteria lady or something at some point.
>Could they have telegraphed that fucking sequoia ex machina any harder if they tried? Helen Keller was less clumsy than that.
>I cringed at all the special effects, sets, and makeup, because I remember what happened to Space: Above & Beyond, Firefly, and others. Fox don't like spending shekels, and, rather than admit it, they'll start bouncing this program all over the schedule in order to kill it if it doesn't bring in huge ratings.
All in all, I'll keep watching it until something stomach-churning happens (and it will: they didn't set up that "all-male race" for nothing, and I'm sure he's going to go all prison-bull when his pon farr kicks in). MacFarlane should have stayed behind the camera, but the fact that I'm willing to come back for at least one more episode is more than commercial television has managed for years.
▶ 670003 (1) No.5595
The directing is really bad. I get that they wanted to emulate TNG with the carpets on every surface and the heavy lighting but the editing and the camera work made it very bland and slow.
One thing that they got right (thanks to McFarlane) is the music. It's pretty good to listen to a full orchestra on a tv show made in 2017.
▶ c6801a (16) No.5597
it's kind of boring
but it still looks better than STD, so that's a plus regardless of how bad it ends up
▶ 07e59c (5) No.5604>>5607 >>5617
>>5568
>Captain not only gets cucked by wife, he wouldn't even be a captain if she hadn't called in favors, so he owes both his failures and achievements as a man to the same woman.
this is a con? it sounds like the perfect setup to a comedy to me
▶ c6801a (16) No.5607>>5618 >>6975
>>5604
the main problem for me is that so far the show can't quite seem to figure out whether it wants to be a comedy or not
looks like it's trying to emulate TNG as much as possible, but then it also throws in mcfarlane's shitty comedy in it
▶ f467d9 (2) No.5613
I'm cautiously optimistic, cast and characters seem to have decent chemistry going on. Seems unironically what a /strek/ Starfleet crew would be like. Be interesting to see what it's like compared to STD.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5617
>>5604
>this is a con? it sounds like the perfect setup to a comedy to me
Don't you have some shekels that need counting?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5618>>5620
>>5607
>the show can't quite seem to figure out whether it wants to be a comedy or not
>looks like it's trying to emulate TNG as much as possible, but then it also throws in mcfarlane's shitty comedy in it
This. The show was at it's best when it was serious-ish but the crew was bringing the banter instead of the gags. The captain and the XO going back and forth about the banana was a lot funnier than the krill captain being off to the side. And even that would have been funny if they hadn't added the gag-killing "too much negative space" comment. Seth Macfarlane's a funny guy, but when he's in front of the camera, he's a scene-destroyer. Ted was a lot funnier than A Million Ways To Die In The West because he can't help nervously ad-libbing.
I think this show would be a lot better if it was "laid back Star Trek" rather than "guise, we're so funny lol! Star Trek." Still, we've only seen the pilot, and it could have been a LOT worse, so here's hoping they get some good changes for the rest of the series.
▶ c6801a (16) No.5620>>5633 >>5766
>>5618
>Seth Macfarlane's a funny guy
your treacherous lies bring shame to your house
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.5621>>5632
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2127e06d4f070f29e8941895a5084a53088a397c
For the episode, for those of us who don't pay for netflix.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5632
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5633>>5766
>>5620
>your treacherous lies bring shame to your house
My bad. Perhaps it's better to say that he's a pretty decent comedy writer. As a live-action actor, though, he's not that good. He's better off in the recording booth and the writers' room.
▶ 103bc7 (2) No.5699>>5732
Real test will be how next week's episode pans out. All the jokes this episode were spoiled in the trailers.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5732
>>5699
>All the jokes this episode were spoiled in the trailers.
Definitely. I'll be avoiding any trailers for the next one.
For all the disappointing parts of that pilot, I'm still reluctantly optimistic for the next episode.
▶ 1b8e2b (3) No.5735>>5737 >>5764 >>5766
So where can I watch this shit a) online b) free?
▶ 06ffba (9) No.5737>>5774
▶ 07e59c (5) No.5766>>5771
>>5633
>>5620
are you kidding? Seth mcfarclane's a hilarious guy, he's just clearly more interested in what brings in the bills than making good comedy. Kind of like will ferrell, adam sandler, etc…
>>5735
>an 8chan user who doesn't know how to torrent
what are you doing with your life?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5771
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>>5764
Man, I love Alestorm.
>>5766
>adam sandler
To be fair to Sandler, he TRIES to make meaningful movies, and the critics and public always pan them. At some point (possibly after Reign Over Me bombed, which was a shame, because it was good), he just said "Fine. Fuck it. I'm going to take all my buddies on vacations to scenic lakes, Hawaii, Africa, cruises, etc. and make the studios pay for that shit."
▶ 48bb04 (2) No.5776>>5815
>>5774
get a vpn anon, they're liable to censor everything you know and love
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.5778
>>5774
Have you tried switching DNS server?
Using OpenDNS will get around any DNS based blocking.
Failing that, try a proxy.
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.5796
remember that time I was captain of a star ship?
▶ 48ba9b (1) No.5800
>There are anons here who can't into torrents
>There are anons here who can't into proxies
I want newfags to leave.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.5815>>5831
>>5776
Out of all the things going on in this pic, does the woman have a cross implanted under her skin above her cleavage?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5831>>5847 >>5958
>>5815
>does the woman have a cross implanted under her skin above her cleavage?
Well spotted. Yes, she does appear to have an implanted cross. I'm just surprised she didn't have them install it upside-down.
Meanwhile, her master is apparently the only white person on Earth who has enough "negative privilege" to be allowed to wear blackface.
Oh fuck.
That's IT, isn't it? That's why they fucking changed the Klingons for STD! They were appalled at people walking around in what they considered to be blackface! If the Klingons had been green originally, we'd still have them as they're supposed to be.
THE NEW KLINGONS ARE AN ATTEMPT TO APPEASE THE SJWS!
▶ 3048df (2) No.5847>>5851 >>5958
>>5831
I've heard the new klingons are meant to be an allegory of trump supporters. It's funny because Trump supporters will laugh but the klingon loving liberal trekkies will drop the show like a hot potato. STD played itself.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5851>>5862
>>5847
It's part of it, I'm sure, but their new look just HAS to be because of "blackface" being "problematic." I wonder if they lose their shit on behalf of the Andorians for Jeffrey Combs in "blueface?"
Fuck, I wish there was a way to confirm this. If I could, we might be able to take it to the Trekkies and start…
Well, y'know, start…
…
…Trekgate.
I hate me, too
▶ 61eb75 (1) No.5862>>5874 >>5884
>>5851
>…Trekgate.
Yeah, I guess "Stargate" wouldn't work.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5884
>>5862
You have to go home, Qar'Los.
>>5875
Nice.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.5958>>5960 >>6084
>>5831
>>5847
>THE NEW KLINGONS ARE AN ATTEMPT TO APPEASE THE SJWS!
>New Klingons are supposed to represent Trump supporters (ie, everyone who didn't/wouldn't vote Clinton)
And the best bit is, in all their attempts they've made something that looks truly the most Nigger-like caracateur they could possibly have done.
Clusterfuck doesn't begin to describe what's going on here.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.5960>>5997
>>5958
The joke about Trump is that he's playing nth dimensional chess, but sometimes it seems like Hollywood is playing 1-dimensional Old Maid. Their shit is so clumsy, I sometimes find myself wracked with doubt about whether they're honestly that stupid and evil, or if they're playing the long game for something even worse.
▶ 474273 (3) No.5997
>>5960
Hollywood is the type to score a goal and go "YES! WHAT A GOAL! Wait I recognize that goal, it's mine?"
▶ 9ba8ea (3) No.6084>>6086 >>6089
>>5958
I'm shocked there hasn't been any outrage over the designs.
▶ 3d3ad2 (1) No.6086
>>6084
Why would there be outrage?
>it's okay when we do it
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6089>>6373
>>6084
>I'm shocked there hasn't been any outrage over the designs.
I'm pretty sure there's plenty… it's just not being reported.
▶ 2b4455 (4) No.6348>>6361 >>6388
This is hilarious, look at that disparity between scores.
(((They))) probably want people to think The Orville sucks so that STD looks less terrible by comparison.
▶ 414232 (4) No.6361
>>6348
>Meanwhile STD will have opposite scores
Rot in hell, kikes.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6386
>>6373
That still rustles the shit out of me.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6388>>6425 >>6532
Orville tonight. Now we see if they're capable of sustaining something good or if it's just another cuckshed in space.
>>6348
>(((They))) probably want people to think The Orville sucks so that STD looks less terrible by comparison.
Except MacFarlane's in pretty good with the juden. The rest of the Family Guy cast is jewish, and he rips on (((them))) way too much to get away with it if he doesn't have an in.
Still…I want this show to work. Badly. Last week I felt the Trek-shaped hole in my heart get a little bit smaller.
I also wish it was canon Trek. This would be even better if they were a low-level Fed ship that keeps accidentally intercepting the football.
▶ d1bc36 (1) No.6425>>6463
>>6388
> This would be even better if they were a low-level Fed ship that keeps accidentally intercepting the football.
It probably could work rather well like that; inexperienced crew well over their heads, the redshirt division of Starfleet.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6463
>>6425
Like 21 and 24: just the right blend of expendable and invulnerable.
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.6483>>6485 >>6507 >>6517
>>5568
>I'll keep watching it until something stomach-churning happens (and it will
This is what I expect from literally every single piece of entertainment that is made these days, and almost every single one does indeed do that.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6485>>6507
>>6483
>This is what I expect from literally every single piece of entertainment that is made these days
▶ 1b8e2b (3) No.6507>>6625
>>6485
>>6483
Cant imagine why you'd feel like that, fellow anons.
Can't.
Imagine.
Why.
▶ 0eea3e (4) No.6517
>>6483
Twin Peaks season three and True Detective season one were good.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.6526>>6598 >>6681
>Bring in Bashir's father's actor
>He's still fucking around with genetic modifications
I quite like the little things.
▶ 657648 (2) No.6532
>>6388
Man, was that episode ever good.
▶ c6801a (16) No.6563>>6565 >>6622
watched the new episode
it was alright
a lot less comedy, which is an improvement
tbh i thought in the end they were gonna trade them the egg
▶ 414232 (4) No.6565
>>6563
I'm amazed they let McFarlen get away with this truthfully. He sold them a comedy show that's not even interested in being a comedy.
It's pretty alright though.
▶ c6801a (16) No.6572>>6600 >>6622
also, what's the deal with the captains retardation
every time there's an away mission, he goes HIMSELF and THE FIRST OFFICER
leaves retards in charge of the ship
the first officer is supposed to stay on the ship
▶ d84461 (1) No.6597>>6622
I alt-F4'd at the first weed joke.
▶ 1cb525 (1) No.6598
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6600>>6601 >>6604 >>6622
>>6572
>every time there's an away mission, he goes HIMSELF and THE FIRST OFFICER
>suppose to be a parody of TOS
Did you watch TOS?
▶ c6801a (16) No.6601>>6604
>>6600
i figured it's more of a parody of TNG, and the majority of the time there either the captain or the first officer went to the surface, but hardly ever together
▶ 27eee0 (1) No.6604
>>6600
>>6601
They probably will make a joke about that if they are self aware.
▶ 40c5c9 (2) No.6617>>6624
This episode was actually good
If they play it like this the series may turn out to be alright
Was the joke Seth McFarland trying to make is that The Orville will be better than STD?
▶ b65e49 (1) No.6618>>6624
The Orville is the best trek series in a VERY FUCKING long time.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6622
>>6563
>tbh i thought in the end they were gonna trade them the egg
Me too. If they'd done that, I would have probably quit. Their solution was surprising and perfect.
>>6572
>every time there's an away mission, he goes HIMSELF and THE FIRST OFFICER
First episode involved secrecy and security, the second one involved his own parents. It's not surprising. Plus there's the Kirk example. >>6600
>>6597
>I alt-F4'd at the first weed joke.
I thought it would be some sort of Chekov's Gun deal. I was surprised it was just something to show how "advanced" they were by having pot brownies so readily available.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6624>>6626 >>6657 >>6977
>>6617
>The Orville will be better than STD?
>>6618
>The Orville is the best trek series in a VERY FUCKING long time.
I find myself confused on a certain level by the Orville. On one hand, it's very deliberately given a TNG feel, and I find myself very comfy watching it that way. Which means it's jarring when I'm suddenly reminded that I'm watching a parody about a bunch of screw-ups and I have to shift gears to accommodate that. The egg thing was very much the sort of thing I'd expect from a Star Trek novel, and it was handled perfectly. Where I found myself hitting the wall was where Security Waifu kept letting herself be influenced and bullied by subordinates, and hitting the sauce for liquid courage. Head of Security may not be used to bridge command, but she should be quite used to giving orders and having them obeyed. Ginger O'Helmsman should have been confined to quarters for questioning orders in front of everyone like that.
Everything else was like coming home. If they can find the balance between the funny and the Trek, it may go down as one of the best sci-fi series of all time.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6625
>>6507
>Danerys/Leia slashfic
Full mast
>"Bechdel"
Limp as overcooked spaghetti.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.6626>>6641 >>6657
>>6624
I think that, rather than considering it a hard parody or comedy, it might be better to think of it as more of a light/ tongue-in-cheek type show since thusfar anyway it seems like it's taking it's sci-fi roots quite sincerely.
Hell, McFarlane even dodged the great tell of a shit sci-fi writer by showing that he has some comprehension of astral distances in the first episode.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6641>>6645
>>6626
We shall see. I still have great hopes (which I shouldn't) but I'm concerned about next week's "all male race just got a female" episode.
Speaking of which, everyone should check your local times for the next episode. It looks like my local Fox affiliate is showing the next on THURSDAY due to some stupid Rapper CSI thing with Ice-T about Biggie and Tupac's (((murders))) which won't be solved.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6645
>>6641
>Fox affiliate is showing the next on THURSDAY
That would not be a bad combination, I might actually end up watching the Orville if it was paired with Gotham. Why they moved Gotham to Thursday, I don't know, probably will kill the only decent comic show.
▶ f467d9 (2) No.6657>>6667 >>6668 >>6680 >>6972
>>6624
>If they can find the balance between the funny and the Trek
That's kind of what I'm hoping for
Anons unironically like Orville while Critics are butthurt about it
>>6626
Seth McFarland actually strikes me as a genuine Trek fan, considering how often he gets Trek actors to guest star on his show and how often he makes Trek related gags. Thinking about it a little more I wouldn't be surprised if he actually knows how to make a good Trek series.
inb4 Seth McFarland actually browses /strek/
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6667>>6671 >>6672
>>6657
>Anons unironically like Orville while Critics are butthurt about it
Why? What are the critics saying?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6668>>6680
>>6657
>Seth McFarland actually strikes me as a genuine Trek fan
He absolutely is. Patrick Stewart features pretty heavily in his work, which is so at odds with the Picard character, it usually slays me.
>inb4 Seth McFarland actually browses /strek/
We'll know for sure if the helmsmen get caught browsing 8chan (or a lookalike, "Redchannit"-style) when they're supposed to be scanning the sector.
▶ 474273 (3) No.6671>>6672 >>6673
>>6667
They are saying it's trash.
▶ c6801a (16) No.6672>>7153
>>6671
>>6667
did mcfarlane forget to bribe someone?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6673>>6674 >>6683 >>6707
>>6671
>They are saying it's trash.
They say EVERYTHING is trash. Unless it has a gay black man or a stronk woman who kills men, that is.
▶ a81283 (1) No.6674
>>6673
Well there is a stronk woman but she is a qt.
▶ 06ffba (9) No.6680
>>6668
>>6657
Seth has made a cameo in Enterprise, twice. I have this thought at the back of my head he made this as a big FUCK YOU to CBS and hates STD. which would be hilarious if true
▶ 06ffba (9) No.6681
>>6526
>The Beagle licking his balls
>Doctor Bashir's father still fucking around with genetics
>That plant from TNG
>TNG chair
>Enterpise homage uniform
>Likely other countless easter eggs we've yet to notice
There's more relation to Star Trek in this one frame than the entire trailer for STD
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.6687>>6691 >>6692
Am I really the only one who doesn't get the whole "Zoo's are the ultimate evil" thing?
Is it somehow supposed to be more inherently evil to keep lions in a big enclosure than it is to keep a housecat indoors?
▶ 414232 (4) No.6688>>6710
>>6683
>Handmaid's Tale
>The Good Fight
>Big Little Lies
>This is Us
>Fucking 13 Reasons Why
All you're doing is proving him right.
▶ c6801a (16) No.6691
>>6687
it's going for the commie trek vibes
we have to feel like they're wrong, but they think they're morally right
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6692>>6697 >>6709
>>6687
>Am I really the only one who doesn't get the whole "Zoo's are the ultimate evil" thing?
Depends on the zoo, really. Calgary zoo is a good one with plenty of room. Edmonton valley zoo is heartbreaking. And fucking Sea World in California should have been shut down decades ago.
The one the tomato-heads ran was completely barbaric. Regardless of their tech level, they were still dealing with sentient beings. They tried to push the "we used to put animals in zoos" excuse, but that's an incorrect analogy. It would have only made sense if we had zoos filled with Africans like the ones in The Gods Must Be Crazy who thought a discarded Coke bottle was the next quantum leap in technology. Or abbos or something. They're sentient but with a lower level of tech.
And I want to see more of that Ludo-looking bastard from the cell beside them.
▶ 414232 (4) No.6697>>6704
>>6692
>It would have only made sense if we had zoos filled with Africans
We did actually. Hitler was the first person to ban them.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6704>>6772 >>6775
>>6697
>We did actually.
You are fucking shitting me. I can't believe that was actually a thing.
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.6707
>>6673
I miss the critic.
VIVA JAY SHERMAN
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.6708>>6710 >>6723
>>6683
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/09/18/planned-parenthood-celebrates-the-handmaids-tale-emmy-success-call-for-activism/
>Congratulations to #HandmaidsTale on your #Emmys win for best drama series! The show highlighted the importance of #reprofreedom for all.
global apocalypse when, plz?
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.6709>>6725
>>6692
not to sound like an animal cruelty advocate, but animals aren't really sentient. even the really intelligent ones.
▶ 07e59c (5) No.6710>>6712
>>6688
If by "has a gay black man or a stronk women who kills men" anon meant "female lead or black character in the show"
yeah
that describes <half the shows on that list
>>6708
I think these guys are really taking the wrong ideas from a show about an oppressive theocracy
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.6712>>6722
>>6710
one definitely wrong idea they are taking from the show: that it's worth any award despite no one watching it.
emmy ratings broke a new record this year btw. FOR LOWEST EMMY RATINGS EVER
▶ 07e59c (5) No.6722
>>6712
where do you find viewership of shows on streaming platforms?
also, I thought it was excellent. I'd take it to the shameful confessions thread but I have no shame.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6723>>6724
>>6708
>world where humanity is dying out due to lack of fertile women
>fertile women are taken as slaves and given to the Elite to impregnate
>"So brave, such wow!"
Those fuckers need to be aborted, themselves.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6725
>>6709
>not to sound like an animal cruelty advocate, but animals aren't really sentient. even the really intelligent ones.
I was referring to the humans in my example when I said sentient, not animals. Unless you're talking about the tribesmen, in which case well-played.
▶ 80eddf (1) No.6772
>>6704
What you didn't know about it? They did it with Native Burgers as well.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6775>>6777 >>6801
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>6704
>You are fucking shitting me. I can't believe that was actually a thing.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6777>>7432 >>7437
>>6775
mfw the Brooklyn Dodgers (now LA) were probably named after a carnival game for throwing baseballs at nigger children (though they claim it was named after citizens having to dodge streetcars)
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.6790
>>6779
I'm not seing the problem here. Are they complaining about the kids being useful for something? Even if that thing is just killing animals for their skin.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6801>>7179 >>8705
>>6775
Oh my stars and garters. How come we never hear about THIS shit when BLM is on a tear? I still wouldn't give a shit, but I'd at least think It didn't happen to any of you faggots, but that was fucked up to be sure.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6802>>6806
>>6779
>snopes
Yeah, no. They lost all credibility when they started lying for (((them))).
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6806>>6821 >>6895
>>6802
>Yeah, no. They lost all credibility when they started lying for (((them))).
I know, but it was the first link that came up but I put others before it for that reason, it did include samples of the postcards so I included it.
Also the snopes article mentions the use of Jewish babies, that was new to me.
Jews as Crocodile Bait?
>Perhaps the oddest variant of the “bait” theme we came across was this story published in the Toronto Daily Mail on 28 May 1891, holding that Jewish babies stolen in Russia were being used as bait to hunt crocodiles in Egypt:
>"For a year or so hundreds of Jewish babies have been stolen and shipped to various ports on the Nile to be used as bait by the crocodile hunters. Of course, they are not all eaten by the animals, but now and then one is caught. The crocodile hunters place a baby on the shores of the stream, and presently the lazy animals come out of their beds after the infant. When the crocodiles get near the little one and within shooting range of the hunters, who are concealed in the bushes, they are shot. The little babes serve as a bait to bring the animals on the banks, and by this means it is possible to get many animals which could not be reached in any other way."
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6820>>6895
>>6818
Color me surprised.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.6821>>6841 >>6895
>>6806
Why bother with the kidnapping and dodging anyone who might take offence at you feeding an infant to a maneating beast, when any meat with do? Why go to all that trouble with a chicken or a cows leg will do just as well with noone giving you any shit about it?
The whole thing seems absurd from a logical standpoint.
It all sounds more like a story a mother would tell a naughty kid than anything else. "You be a good little slave and do as the master tells you, or the master will use you as crododile bait"
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6841>>6895
>>6821
>It all sounds more like a story a mother would tell a naughty kid than anything else.
Sounds like a story one government would tell all the other governments in order to get a shitload of gibs and power.
>>6823
>the LaLauries
Sounds like a serial killer's paradise. As long as you left whites alone, you could do whatever you wanted. Unless, of course, they were ramping up by torturing what they considered "animals" like modern day killers do.
▶ afd179 (1) No.6874>>6880 >>6895
>>6823
>http://www.prairieghosts.com/lalaurie.html
lmao. This reads like a negro holocaust fable.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.6880>>6895
>>6874
>Is the Lalaurie house still haunted? I really don’t know for sure, but one has to wonder if the spirits born from this type of tragedy can ever really rest?
Here's the thing: they were tortured and raped and murdered and generally treated like things instead of people, but could any of them truly say that they were victims compared to the black people of today? I mean, some of those BLM folks were called bad words. There's no way the LaLaurie victims have hung around on the Earthly plain, because they must understand that they don't really know what it means to be oppressed.
▶ 1b8e2b (3) No.6895>>6931 >>6964 >>6970
>>6810
>>6806
>>6818
>>6820
>>6821
>>6823
>>6841
>>6874
>>6880
STAR
TREK
Please take this stuff to /pol/ if you want to discuss it. Stop derailing the thread.
▶ 0eea3e (4) No.6931
>>6895
Don't you want to boldly investigate where no man has before?
▶ 06ffba (9) No.6964>>6969 >>7166
>>6895
>Orville causes this must autistic debate about a sensitive subject of human history
They should rebrand it Star Trek Orville immediately. Roddenberry would be proud.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.6969>>6971
>>6964
>autistic
Muh austistic laughing filled the halls of /strek/, so much emotion at crocs munching Jew babies and hellraiser: slavery
>could barely contain his autism
▶ 901348 (4) No.6970
>>6895
welcome to pol/strek/, fag.
▶ f2fd33 (2) No.6971>>7159 >>7269
>>6969
/strek/, when the autism came
Faggots, as the screeching began
▶ 759856 (5) No.6972>>6973 >>7021
>>6657
>Seth MacFarlane actually strikes me as a genuine Trek fan
He is. After the success of the Family Guy Star Wars parodies he wanted to do the same with Star Trek because he grew up with TNG but CBS and Paramount refused to give him the green light. The Orville is clearly a middle finger to CBS/Paramount and the fact that he managed to get a bunch of actors and production crew from previous Star Trek shows is pretty great.
▶ f2fd33 (2) No.6973
>>6972
Sounds like he is Grand Touring CBS/Paramount :^)
▶ 126ba1 (3) No.6974>>7021 >>7026
Orville would be a great show if you got rid of mfarlande and the exwife.
>klingongirl security monkey
cool
>grabthar hammer spock
cool
>fuck you robot data
cool
>rest of bridge crew of semi-normal people and slackers
also cool
Everyone has great chemistry and good writing except the Captain and XO
▶ 126ba1 (3) No.6975
>>5607
The show could still be both galaxy quest comedy and srs bzns star trek. Trek has some relationship/family bullshit like Troi's mother but it doesn't club you over the head and bore you like orville does. the XO is the least likable character and she ruins every scene she's in.
▶ 126ba1 (3) No.6977>>7022
>>6624
>HoS on liquid courage
believable, it might be her first command where she didn't have a doting chief of security making things easy for her.
Plus stress and other problems can build up sapping confidence and making previously easy jobs difficult.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7021
>>6972
>mfw I just realized they might give him a crack at a 24th Century Star Trek movie featuring a brand new ship and crew.
>>6974
>Orville would be a great show if you got rid of mfarlande and the exwife.
Meh. I LIKE Captain Ed. And I've had the hots for Perkins since John Wick. What I'd like is if they could put the past behind them and stop sniping at each other over their abortion of a marriage. I just don't care. I hate to say it but Peter David handled it better in New Frontier. Captain and First officer had a relationship, it didn't work, they split, found themselves working together, and actually learned to appreciate each other for how the one's strengths and weaknesses complimented the other's. When they eventually got back together, they'd actually grown as people and meshed perfectly. Leading up to that, though, they did their level best to keep it off the fucking bridge.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7022>>7035 >>8450
>>6977
They could be leading up to her getting her race's version of alcoholism, I suppose.
Oh man, I just realized something. MacFarlane could be pulling a switcharoo on Fox. We all know they're willing to do nearly anything for him since they made the mistake of cancelling Family Guy in the late 90s. They wouldn't want to take on yet another sci-fi show (they always do horribly on Fox), but a Seth-run comedy sci-fi show? They might be willing to give that a shot. And if he took that into account, he might M*A*S*H it and subtly turn it from a cavalcade of laffs into an irreverent look at the human condition under extreme circumstances.
I'm at full-mast. I hope I'm right.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.7026>>7029
>>6974
I largely agree. I wouldn't mind seeing what they want to do with their doctor before writing her off, but the XO and Seth are shit. She has a boring pressence and the character has already been established to be a manipulative backstabbing whore who somehow seems to think its her ex's fault she decided to cheat on him. And Seth is just seth. He keeps rambling on in long painfully unfunny streams of dialogue. He badly needs to sit down and take a long hard look at how good comedians deliver their jokes and stop rambling like that.
The robot is a tad bland though, might just be because I was hoping for an HK 47 knockoff.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7029
>>7026
>might just be because I was hoping for an HK 47 knockoff.
Yeah, I got my hopes up when Ed commented on his people being "Incredibly racist" (presumably towards fleshlings) but so far he's just been a robot with a slight tendency towards elitism, like C3PO.
▶ dd623e (1) No.7035
>>7022
>And if he took that into account, he might M*A*S*H it and subtly turn it from a cavalcade of laffs into an irreverent look at the human condition under extreme circumstances.
But you forgot it's the current year. No one will understand and the ratings will die.
▶ 7e56be (1) No.7102
There is one' gender!
I initially had my doubts about this show mainly due to my distaste for everything Seth MacFarlane's to this point in his career. I didn't even watch the first two episodes until today. Glad to see the show transition from ex-wife jokes to the philosophical debate cesspool now. I love the show now.
▶ 9ba8ea (3) No.7119
Just started on the second episode. I'm liking it a lot more than the first. Seems like they've toned down some of the comedy and it helped.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.7121
magnet links for 2nd and 3rd episode for those of us who don't watch american tv.
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:E0C06479ECD492C476251AA4D7F5FFC7964369DE
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d4c5f3a75ea0d03933cbe5a85217670bf53fbfb0
▶ c6801a (16) No.7122>>7123 >>7124 >>7137 >>7138 >>8450
despite being an episode about trannys, i really liked it
one the one hand the ayyliums make the point that men are better than women
on the other hand the humans are also right that sex change on an infant is unethical
and amazingly enough, the jokes in this one actually made me laugh
seriously what the fuck, this is way out of mcfarlane's usual shitty standards
▶ c6801a (16) No.7123
>>7122
and of course the video cut half the joke
anyone else want to try and cut it?
▶ ce1cf0 (3) No.7124
>>7122
Seth hasn’t been involved in writing for “Family Guy” for years now. He’s doing the voice-acting, but “The Orville” is his Star Trek fetish come alive.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.7125>>7127 >>7137 >>7198 >>8332 >>8345
Episode three was just painful.
>All aliens must be forced to conform to human standards, even if this goes against their biology.
>The kid may have a mutation that makes it seem like a human female so it must be treated like a human female, even if the species is entirely male due to alien biology and the female characteristics are less common in the species than humans being born with extra limbs
>Treatment of this condition is considered unethical by the humans and this opinion is considered more important than what the aliens in question think of the matter.
>To prove in a trial that all women are stong, Kelly brings out an alien who's species in superhumanly strong as evidence for a moclan females supposed physical strength, when the others point out that the males of said aliens species would be just as strong if not stronger, it is derided as pure speculation…
How is it "pure speculation" that a male of Katarn's species would be just as strong?
More importantly though is: What the fuck does a Xeylayen's strength have to do with how strong a Moclan female may or may not be compared to a Moclan male?
And worst of all, like Kelly's "evidence" that men are idiots, to a room full of men, is to quiz one guy she knows is an idiot, who has reason to lie to the court to support her case, who isn't even a Moclan. What the fuck is this supposed to prove? Its a case study on an ALIEN who has next to nothing in common with Moclan biology.
Is kelly supposed to be retarded, and if so, why does the show treat her opinion as the "objectively correct one"?
Meanwhile the evil nasty misogynistic alien advocate points out accurately that among moclans, being born "female" is a genetic mutation that leaves them physically disfigured with deformed genitals, and that this is extremely rare. He proposes that the kid get corrective surgery for this, to make the kid conform to Moclan norms.
This is NOT the same as giving a healthy human baby gender reassignment surgery. This is the equivalent of giving a kid with deformed genitalia corrective surgery. A thing that is normally adviced parents who have a baby with, say, some degree of hermaphroditism. It is a normal thing done in human society, as the alternative is to let the kid grow into a freakshow. Arguably one of the cruelest things those parents could do to the kid, since, as the Moclan advocate points out, the alternative is growing into a freakshow.
Really, the entire thing like humans complaining about how the robots species doesn't assign genders to its individual members and taking them to trial to force them to assign male or female genders to their individual members, since its the "natural thing", despite this being a species of robots.
Moclan biology isn't the same as human biology, so trying to treat the subject by human standards is utterly insane.
If this was a group of human colonists who had settled another planet to form a single gender society that discussion could have been relevant, but not to an alien species with nonhuman biology.
▶ c6801a (16) No.7127>>7137
>>7125
well hey, the moclans still won the case
the patriarchy lives another day
▶ 06ffba (9) No.7137>>7219 >>7584 >>8349
>>7125
>>7122
>>7127
>All aliens must be forced to conform to human standards, even if this goes against their biology.
>Episode is debating about ethics, especially in regards to how you view other cultures compared to your own, and the rights of the parents to decide what is best for their child
>Humans are actually being pretty racist
This actually felt like a real Star Trek episode.
▶ 759856 (5) No.7138>>7140
>>7122
I really liked that episode, at first I thought that it would be preachy (given the subject) but it was actually interesting and entertaining. They really nailed the music on that show, for a second I thought that I was watching an old TNG episode.
If MacFarlane and his writers find the right balance between humor and sci-fi stuff then we might see a great Trek show.
>tfw the pilot for STD will air this sunday
▶ 06ffba (9) No.7140>>7142 >>7181
I just noticed this. Wew. Wonder what else I've missed.
>>7138
>STD will air this Sunday
Prepared for the shitshow?
▶ 759856 (5) No.7142
>>7140
>Prepared for the shitshow?
I'm ready, especially since there's an embargo on the reviews.
▶ e31349 (4) No.7153>>7154
>>6672
regret to inform the (((critics))) but the audience got hitler dubs. The show must be good.
▶ 40c5c9 (2) No.7154
>>7153
Sure is a lot of 88's in this thread as well
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7166>>7170
>>6964
>They should rebrand it Star Trek Orville immediately.
I really wish they would. It's already that in my head-canon, anyway.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7167>>7168 >>7274 >>7441
>>7159
>tfw autistic enough to grasp what they're saying from context.
They should have sent for Barclay. He would have been chatting with them like old friends by the time
<0:44-1:09
>"Okay, I'm going to try to teach the bald one."
>"You what?"
>"We want peace with these people, commander. I'm going to beam down and try to teach the Picard our ways."
>"What if it's a trap, sir?!"
>"Nonsense! They appear to be reasonable lifeforms."
>"EXACTLY! Appear! You don't know anything about them! You could be walking into danger, sir!"
>"I WILL teach The Picard!"
>"This is madness--!"
>"Hey! I've got one nerve left and you are flossing your ass with it, boy!"
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7168
>>7167
>by the time
*in no time.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7170>>7237
>>7166
>>They should rebrand it Star Trek Orville immediately.
>I really wish they would. It's already that in my head-canon, anyway.
Well anon, I was already working on Star Trek: REEcovery so you'll have to live with that.
▶ c71101 (1) No.7179
>>6801
because anon, that'd require book learnin'
▶ 7a4391 (3) No.7181
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7197>>7214 >>7237 >>7254 >>8450
>mfw I just finished watching the third episode
This is going to end up being like Futurama, isn't it?
>"Dudes, we're totally a comedy!"
>makes you cry like a bitch every single time
That was the most even-handed thing I've seen in literal years. It brought up all sides of the issue, didn't go too far with any of them (except at the end, when I wanted to kidnap that little girl and raise her as my own away from those rat-bastards), and managed to work a little comedy in that wasn't too cringey.
The most amazing part, though? Where Ed is fucking reaming Vortis and standing up to the other Captain. Who the hell thought Seth had it in him? I know I sure didn't. He was actually believable as a captain. I'm incredibly impressed with this show.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7198
>>7125
>Episode three was just painful.
>Kelly
Right. Forgot about Commander False Equivalency. That WAS awful, but I loved the surprise witness. I was also appalled at how readily the Doc agreed that she would circumcise a human kid, because that was some bullshit right there.
t. old fart whose then-young parents were talked into it when he was a wee bairn. At least they learned from it when they saw the pain I was in and didn't do it to my brother. Didn't do it to my boy, either.
▶ 0eea3e (4) No.7214>>7223
>>7197
>praising futurama
>praising futurama's cringeworthy drama episodes
▶ 9ba8ea (3) No.7219>>7237
>>7137
I like that in the end, despite what happened, Bortus sticks with his mate and decides to do his best to raise the kid as their new gender. I was half expecting them to break up and the kid to be taken back to be raised on the Moclan planet.
▶ 5ebfde (2) No.7237
>>7170
Wew
>>7197
>This will be like Futurama
Which means it will be highly popular in Europe but Burgers will be too retarded to get it and thus it will be cancelled? :^)
>>7219
Moclans always had morale high ground.
▶ 759856 (5) No.7254>>7259
>>7197
>That was the most even-handed thing I've seen in literal years. It brought up all sides of the issue, didn't go too far with any of them
That's what I liked about the episode, at no point Seth tried to tell the viewer what to think. I wish more shows were like that.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7259
>>7254
>That's what I liked about the episode, at no point Seth tried to tell the viewer what to think. I wish more shows were like that.
I like how he dodged the circumcision question.
http://www.eonline.com/news/831385/patrick-stewart-didn-t-realize-he-was-uncircumcised-until-late-in-life
▶ 474273 (3) No.7265>>7268
Be interesting to see how Seth responds when CBS asks "Is this Star Trek?"
Probably will answer with "Is CIScovery?"
▶ a9ab7d (1) No.7268
>>7265
It's clearly a parody and protected under fair use.
▶ b30ddc (1) No.7274>>7424
>>7167
>Anons translate Star Trek
And its surprisingly accurate
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7373>>7419 >>7424
Did anyone notice the minor continuity glitch in the first episode? I only got around to watching the series this week and caught this the first time through, so surprised nobody else mentioned it here.
Krill land two shuttles in front of the compound between Orville's shuttle and the building. Krill troops storm building, Orville crew rushes back to shuttle with time device, Krill shuttles are not where they landed. Orville shuttle takes off and Krill shuttles are visible in their original position again.
Also, the face of the doctor was bugging me, where did I know her from? Penny Johnson Jerald, DS9's Kasidy Yates, and 24's Sherry Palmer
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.7419
>>7373
comedies do tend to be edited with a butcher knife. even subpar comedies in a sci fi setting. there were probably two or three throwaway gags left on the cutting room floor, causing a sequence to be edited in the wrong order or something.
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7424>>7441 >>7585
>>7373
>Also, the face of the doctor was bugging me
Hey! She can't help that!
>where did I know her from?
I'd give you shit for not knowing that, but she's definitely moved from the prime of her live into the Change. She looks grumpier than she did when she was letting Sisko grunt away on top of her.
>>7274
>>Anons translate Star Trek
>And its surprisingly accurate
Thank you. I wonder if it's worth doing subtitles and posting it up on vid.me?
▶ 901348 (4) No.7432>>7436
>>6777
The only reason I doubt you is because their name was literally "Brooklyn Streetcar Dodgers" before that shortened it to just "Brooklyn Dodgers."
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7436
>>7432
>The only reason I doubt you is because their name was literally "Brooklyn Streetcar Dodgers" before that shortened it to just "Brooklyn Dodgers."
You wouldn't deny a time traveler a chance to rewrite history?
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7437
>>6777
>mfw the Brooklyn Dodgers (now LA) were probably named after a carnival game for throwing baseballs at nigger children (though they claim it was named after citizens having to dodge streetcars)
You don't deserve those trips, Avery.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7441>>7466 >>7521
>>7159
>>7167
>>7424
>I wonder if it's worth doing subtitles
▶ e783a0 (45) No.7466>>7475
>>7441
Dammit, how come your Crillee font looks so smooth? I tried using the version I have the other day and it's jagged as fuck.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.7475
>>7466
>Dammit, how come your Crillee font looks so smooth? I tried using the version I have the other day and it's jagged as fuck.
This was actually the other version, CrilleeltBT, the quotation marks weren't right on the regular Crillee font.
▶ 7402c6 (1) No.7521
>>7441
This needs to be put forward for the Hungry Hippo Games.
▶ 7600bb (1) No.7584
>>7137
Showing, debating and getting around philosophical and cultural events like this is what I really like. The Kelvin movies would never do anything like this.
▶ d9b97a (1) No.7585
>>7424
>She looks grumpier than she did when she was letting Sisko grunt away on top of her.
I wonder if he asks her to call him "The Sisko" during grunt time.
▶ 103bc7 (2) No.8179>>8180 >>8182
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I am genuinely interested in seeing the next episode.
▶ c6801a (16) No.8180>>8182
>>8179
so is that tomorrow or next thursday since we got the last one early?
i'm confused with all these scheduling mishaps
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8182
>>8180
Tomorrow, the last episode was on Thursday.
>>8179
Agreed, promo looks like the reecovery I need from diversity fatigue.
▶ 7a4391 (3) No.8188>>8235 >>9056
I'm enjoying it. It really feels like a successor to TNG, though obviously more comedic.
▶ 60e9ae (4) No.8212
I was really worried when episode 3 was all about transsexualism, but aside from the "women are awesome; men are stupid" parts, it felt a bit like a TNG episode. Like "The Measure of a [Wo]Man" or something.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.8235>>8236 >>9056
>>8188
Just finished watching, and total agreement. I'm only concerned that the name isn't very good for marketing.
Also, checked.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8236
>>8235
>the name isn't very good for marketing.
They could have named it That 90's Space Show
▶ d1276a (3) No.8332>>8338
>>7125
As soon as the gender reassignment came up, I dropped the episode. Hopefully later ones will be better, but even if they had done something decent with the question (despite being a fucking comedy version of Star Trek) it was grade-A retarded to get an episode about this out this early. Did they just want to woo the progressive Trek base, or what?
▶ 7a4391 (3) No.8338
>>8332
If you had watched the episode, you'd know how off base you are there.
▶ e31349 (4) No.8345>>8346
>>7125
>Episode three was just painful.
Have tp agree, apart for the compulsory faggotry (only one sex in this species, lol, its not gay its alium) the courtroom scene really rustled my jimmies. A long tirade of logical fallacies and not-an-arguments and i despised the undertone of "woman are all special" and hamfisted feminist stronk womyn who contribute to art and literature nonsense.
Also now that i think about it, the 23 year old ayylmao female with superhuman retard strength is a really retarded character too. That scene where she took flight to escape the bad guys was absurd.
▶ 7cd673 (1) No.8346>>8351
>>8345
>A long tirade of logical fallacies and not-an-arguments and i despised the undertone of "woman are all special" and hamfisted feminist stronk womyn who contribute to art and literature nonsense
Considering the baby gets converted to a male regardless I have to wonder if the XO's "arguments" only further convinced the moclans that women would be detrimental to the species.
▶ e31349 (4) No.8349>>8591
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>7137
Yes but all you got is a hint of the moral dilemma from the captain.
Compare this to TNG's Pen Pals episode where they discuss non-intervention and you quickly realize TNG was on another level, a far more cogent discussion overall and also really establishes Picard as the thinking man's captain. Whereas the crew spouted off ideas with varying degrees of retardation (some good, some retarded, some childish) the captain steps in with the wisdom of a father to point out the hypocrisy of their emotional reaction and yet without any moral judgment. (Apologies to for the shit audio)
That being said I still have high hopes for the Orville.
▶ e31349 (4) No.8351
>>8346
>Considering the baby gets converted to a male regardless I have to wonder if the XO's "arguments" only further convinced the moclans that women would be detrimental to the species.
I want to believe (thought occurred to me too) but based on how much exposition they use to tell the story I doubt it. Yet, the "bad ending' could lend credence to this theory.
▶ 2b4455 (4) No.8357>>8404
I hope the robot guy gets some development soon, so far all he's done is sit at his desk and scan shit. I there's been only one scene where he was elsewhere. I'm also a bit disappointed at how mild-mannered he's been, the pilot make it seem like he considered himself to be superior to that hasn't really come across in his interactions with them.
▶ ce1cf0 (3) No.8363
Anyone streaming tonight’s episode?
▶ f32a08 (2) No.8372>>8376 >>8380 >>8404
Okay, quick summary. By the way,
SPOILERS
>colony ship that's gone so long the inhabitants aren't aware it's a colony ship
>colony ship is adrift and on course to impact a star
>space hillbillies
>space fundie christians believe the ship is all of creation
>space fundie christians prosecute the 'reformers', who believe there is more to the universe
???
And that's it as of commercial break #2.
Seems kind of pozzed.
>space boonie cops have a three barrel broomhandle mauser and a chiappa triple threat with a box mag welded on the side
At least they're creative with their weapon prop design.
I really want to like the show. It needs more 'Seth McFarlane being a TNG nerd' and less 'Seth McFarlane being Seth McFarlane™ Brand "Funny". Still pretty good, though.
The opening gags with not-Worf and his mate were pretty fucking good, though.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8374
Liam fucking Neeson, this episode just keeps getting better. Best episode of the series yet, Dsyon sphere ship, parallel subplot where ship runs off on emergency mission leaving away team to fend for themselves, true trek at heart.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8375
Holy shit, Charlize Theron next week too. They got a lot of a-list guest stars to sign on for this.
▶ f32a08 (2) No.8376>>8379 >>8612
>>8372
And now for the ending.
MORE SPOILERS
>pope of the spacefundiechristians spouts some stuff about 'preserving order' that seems more like "the writers are trying to act neutral but not really" than an actual moral dilemma
>the crew finds their way to the bridge of the colony ship, Jesus of the spacefundiechristians turns out to be the original captain of the vessel
>Orville crew repairs the engines, exposes the crew to the outside world
>???
>Warp off to the next episode premise
Still seems kind of pozzed.
>More commentary from the peanut gallery!
The communications beacon having actual reactive mass thrusters is a nice visual effects touch.
The not!Vulcan girl is cute.
The irish(?) and black helmsmen have a good synergy going.
It's still better than STD. Probably.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8379
>>8376
If I had one major criticism of the show, is I could live with fewer dick jokes, otherwise most of the religious moral debate fits shit we deal with in the real world like Warren Jeffs.
>>8378
>Where was Neelix in this, and how am I so blind that I missed it?
He was space Jesus dude, on the view screen video log of the old ship's captain.
▶ 2e78e2 (1) No.8380
>>8372
>space boonie cops have a three barrel broomhandle mauser and a chiappa triple threat with a box mag welded on the side
Sounds like the guys that did the props for Andromeda and Firefly got together.
▶ 274d07 (1) No.8382>>8437 >>8581
Episode 4 trivia: It has Liam Neeson, and the main villain is played by Robert Knepper who appeared in TNG (Haven), and Voyager (Dragon's Teeth). It was directed by James L. Conway, another Star Trek regular. Great episode by the way. I think I liked this one the most so far.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Knepper
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_L._Conway
▶ 48bb04 (2) No.8384
i was pretty happy with the way that episode was handled. it's a shame the android doesn't demean the fleshies though.
the ship they encountered reminded me of robert heinlein's 'universe' which was a short story i really liked, so it had that going for it too.
▶ 5cfb01 (1) No.8404>>8442
Each new episode seems to prove that MacFarlane wanted to do this for a long time.
I really liked that episode. I laughed during the scene where Mercer tries to eat their food and end up asking for a napkin or a trash, it reminded me of the countless scenes in science fiction where the main character eats some "alien" food and never get disgusted by it or even sick.
I'm still amazed by the fact that he managed to get a lot of Trek veterans to work on his show
>>8357
>I hope the robot guy gets some development soon, so far all he's done is sit at his desk and scan shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an episode about him this season.
>>8372
>It needs more 'Seth McFarlane being a TNG nerd' and less 'Seth McFarlane being Seth McFarlane™ Brand "Funny".
He's toning it down, I think he and his writers are trying ot find the right balance.
▶ 2b4455 (4) No.8434
If all of the Isaac robots are built at a factory, who built the factory?
Actually that'll probably be the subject of an episode at some point. The robots find out they were created by fleshbags and have to come to terms with it.
▶ d1276a (3) No.8437>>8612
>>8382
Agreed. Funny how for all the TOS-inspired episodes/concepts in modern Trek, we had to wait until now for someone to do another take on For the World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky, but they did a good job of it. The few questions we are left with on the vessel and the people who built it are good, I honestly hope they follow up sometime.
▶ 0cd3e1 (1) No.8442
>>8404
>'m still amazed by the fact that he managed to get a lot of Trek veterans to work on his show
Well, a lot of those people made their career on Star Trek, and they most likely have both good memories and a sense of pride from working on it. I'm sure at least some of them don't like whats happening with the franchise, and would probably gravitate toward something more familiar to them. They also might as well like it more then the current clusterfuck that's STD
▶ f35fe1 (1) No.8450
>>7022
I'd love that, but (((current year))) aside from what audiences & bosses want, he himself is very progressive, he'd never-
>>7122
The fuck?
Is this the same Seth McFarlane?
>>7197
The actual fuck?!
Is this airing in britbong land?
I hate to give my money or views to the lesser of two jews- but maybe it's alright.
The downside is, the big trekky in my family might avoid it since the last thing he watch Seth in was Million Ways to Die in the West- and we turned that shit off less than half way through.
▶ 18d030 (5) No.8581
>>8382
I knew that guy looked familiar.
>I think I liked this one the most so far.
Me too. It's been getting better with each episode. I hope it can stay decent for as long as possible.
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.8590
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>The Day Family Guy Died
>first minute shows seth mcfarlane's early animated test where they watch star trek and talk about star trek
▶ 06ffba (9) No.8591
>>8349
I have no denial about that. I am just pointing out that it does have very much a Star Trek feel and feels like it could pass for it. If they do more of it and get better at it I would enjoy the show even more.
▶ 2e8b29 (2) No.8612
>>8437
>>8376
>pozzed
>classic sci-fi
You might want to dial your sensor's sensitivity back a bit, m8.
▶ df9901 (1) No.8660
>a starship captain who can't tell military time
I chuckled
▶ 3825f4 (1) No.8705
>>6801
It would contradict the narrative of "We Wuz Kangs 'n' shiet" and "le stronk blak mane".
▶ e242c4 (2) No.8709
I have to say, after watching three episodes out of curiosity, I'm surprised that The Orville understands Star Trek much more than Discovery does. In many respects, it's a spiritual successor rather than a parody, like it expects you to have a solid grasp of the Star Trek universe. When there isn't a joke, I forget that it's its own separate franchise.
▶ e242c4 (2) No.8710>>8711 >>8860
You know, I now realize that the biggest joke isn't actually in the show. The joke is that The Orville is better than STD.
▶ d1276a (3) No.8711>>8860
>>8710
In all fairness, that is hardly a difficult feat.
▶ 5143b0 (2) No.8860
>>8711
>>8710
Real question will be if it becomes better than ENT and VOY?
▶ 484119 (1) No.8929>>8937 >>9140
Holy shit, that episode.
>Captain Mercer fucks the time traveler, learns to get over his ex wife, gets betrayed, learns to trust his officers, and comes out of it a genuinely better person.
>And then he fucking throws it all away to preserve the timeline, putting the security of others above his own personal interests.
I never thought I could respect a character played by Seth McFarlane, but there it is.
This show is too good to live. I give it two seasons, tops.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.8937
>>8929
If you've never seen this movie, note the similarities in plot between this and tonight's episode.
In Millennium, time travelers from 2900 travel a 1000 years into the past to bring people who were going to die in aviation accidents to the future to join their civilization, which is suffering severe genetic defects and they need healthy people from the past to mix with their population.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.8974>>8976 >>8990 >>8993 >>9046 >>9063
Doesn't this episode lead to a time paradox though? If we assume that a wormhole is something that will completely go away in all possible timelines because someone shoots it in one timeline. I have no idea how that is supposed to work, but fuck it
Mercer has the Orville shoot torpedoes at the wormhole and it goes *pop*, no more timetravelling and the cunt from the future disappears. But since there's no more timetravelling, and they are only alive because she saved the ship from the bubbles of doom, wouldn't that just mean there would have been nothing to save them from getting bubbled to death before they could *pop* the wormhole, thus they couldn't prevent time travelling from becoming a thing and thus leading to the cunt from the future coming back in time to save them from the bubbles, and on it goes.
Its a classic grandfather paradox where someone goes back in time and sets into motion a series of events that would prevent them from going back in time.
▶ 7b5c9b (5) No.8976>>8990 >>8992 >>8993
>>8974
Yeah that was retarded, he wanted to have his time travel both ways. If blowing up the wormhole resulted in the lady from the future disappearing, the Orville should be destroyed. In order for the ship to be fine, the lady should be stuck in their time.
▶ 06ffba (9) No.8990>>8993
>>8976
>>8974
There's an argument that if they hadn't rescued her they would never have been on that course to begin with and thus never in danger.
▶ 8046f0 (2) No.8992>>8993 >>8996
>>8976
>the Orville should be destroyed
But then they'd never destroy the wormhole, and they could be saved again. It's not possibly to make sense of it, that's why it's a paradox.
▶ 300309 (1) No.8993>>9004
>>8976
>>8974
>>8990
>>8992
I think we're thinking of this in the wrong manner. The time travelers steal artifacts and kidnap people as a matter of course. What if in the original timeline the Orville and its crew was just presumed "dead" and marked as such in official records: due to the fact that the Union couldn't find the ship at all save for some metal bits of a communication array that was knocked off during the darkmatter storm. In that sense the Orville crew never died to begin with, but was just assumed to be by history.
▶ 7b5c9b (5) No.8996>>9004
>>8992
Nah that I could accept, as blowing up something out of time might just blow it up throughout time. It might fuck up the economy of the future, but it would set right all the previous changes made using that wormhole.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9004>>9005
>>8993
That would assume that their fate has already been tampered with in their timeline.
Presumably, the Orville would have hit the bubbles regardless of timetraveller intervention, and would still die.
As she said, time travellers like her go back in time to pick out things that disappeared without a trace in the first place.
If the Orville only hit the bubbles because of her, it would create a timeloop with no begining or end, since she wouldn't have taken an interest in the Orville if it hadn't disapeared mysteriously in the first place.
Think of it like a timetraveller showing up and handing you a time machine if you just wait 30 years before going back in time to give the machine to yourself, since the timetraveller is infact a future you. While on the surface a stable loop, it raises the question of where the time machine came from….
>>8996
But wouldn't blowing up a wormhole be like trying to blow up star's gravity well? Not the star mind you, just its gravity. The descriptions of ways to hold open wormholes I've heard described by nerds who nerd out over astrophysics more than me, is that to hole open a wormhole would require exotic matter equal to most of a galaxy worth of mass. This isn't something you just blow up, to say nothing of the physics involved in blowing this thing up in an infinite number of alternate timelines at a near infinite number of times in each of those timelines, to blow it up everywhere. You'd think that would require an infinite amount of energy, multiplied by a near inifite amount of times, multiplied by the total amount of energy needed to collapse the whole thing at least once, no?
▶ 7b5c9b (5) No.9005
>>9004
They can travel faster than light, so sure
▶ 2b4455 (4) No.9019>>9021 >>9037 >>9046
Paradox talk aside, I think we're missing the bigger issue here: just what the hell is a junior mint?
▶ ce1cf0 (3) No.9037>>9171
>>9019
It’s an underage mint.
▶ 60e9ae (4) No.9046>>9058
>>8974
I guess we have to assume that Pria was lying, then, and that the Orville would have made it out of that dark matter bubble field.
>>9019
I guess it's a reference to the Seinfeld clip they were watching in the beginning of the episode? Still strange.
▶ f7cc86 (1) No.9049
Juvenile, I know. But I find it funny.
▶ 8ad215 (4) No.9056>>9062
>>8188
>>8235
Yeah I have to agree with these faggots.
Its reminiscent of the older star treks from when I was a kid.
Some of the plot and storyline is a bit daft but no more so than half of TNG or most of TOS.
Maybe its just STD making it seem good by comparison but Im enjoying it so far.
▶ c6801a (16) No.9058
>>9046
jesus fuck that was right at the beginning of the episode, no wonder nobody remembers it
▶ 8ad215 (4) No.9060>>9062
Why didnt they sell the Orville to the futuristic space Jews and then use some of the money to buy an awesome futuristic ship and fly back through the wormhole to their own time?
▶ d8f9ec (3) No.9062
>>9056
I think it's safe to say the Orville is genuinely good.
>>9060
Because he decided to follow something that Janeway never followed The Prime Directive
▶ ee02aa (2) No.9063>>9067 >>9077
>>8974
If she didn't go back in time, they would have no reason to blow up the wormhole. Without the wormhole she would not go back in time.
The only possible outs come from a couple of things:
1. More than one wormhole in Orvilleverse.
2. Isaac the racist robot fakes destroying the wormhole and his race resolve the paradox, making it seem like the wormhole was destroyed, so their race has a monopoly on time travel.
Or I'm just thinking too much about it. The episode began with a clip from Seinfeld, after all. The show about nothing. The takeaway may be that nothing happened.
▶ 8ad215 (4) No.9067>>9072
>>9063
>1. More than one wormhole in Orvilleverse.
There had to be more than one wormhole because they went back to other time periods.
The blonde woman claimed that she kidnapped and probably fugged Amilia Earhart.
That proves there must have been a wormhole from the future time that blondie was from, to 19th century earth.
Either there were thousands of wormholes to choose from, or its a massive coincidence that the few wormholes that exist connect blondies future time period with specific times in history when she could steal the famous ships that were thought to be destroyed.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9072>>9084
>>9067
I figured the future people just used some teknobabble thing on the wormhole to control what point in time they'd emerge on, but you do have a point about how even one wormhole that can lead through time, yet only goes a few hundred years into the past while remaining in the same galactic neighbourhood is about as likely as wining the top prize in a lottery every week for a year. Seeing as the other end of the wormhole could lead to any point in the past, that it only leads a few hundred years back, billions of years that have passed since the big bang, seems incredibly fortunate. And having not only more than one of these, but many, would seem, even by the odds of one of these existing in your galactic neighborhood, extremely unlikely.
A more likely explanation would be that someone in the future can make these wormholes, and to specific times they want to, or that they can manipulate the one wormhole they have, to go to different periods.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.9077
>>9063
>The takeaway may be that nothing happened.
It's not like
>lol, it's just a [fenomenon that renders events in the episode irrelevant]
are rare in 90's trek. Even ENT had some, if I recall correctly.
▶ ee02aa (2) No.9082
So Isaac is an AI piloting an android body. He can upload himself to the ship computer and control the ship.
>"I was chosen to represent my planet. I see it as an ideal opportunity to study human behavior."
His planet could just be a server farm that dispatches drones. There might only be one AI, but it gave itself a name to fit in, just like it gave the android drone vestigial eyes.
Also disappointed that they didn't follow the Kronar arc during episode 3.
▶ 8ad215 (4) No.9084>>9197
>>9072
>I figured the future people just used some teknobabble thing on the wormhole to control what point in time they'd emerge on
I would have thought that as well, but the orville just drove back through the wormhole like it was just a passage with a predefined entrance and exit.
Maybe Isaac was dealing with all that shit from the ships computer.
Or maybe the plot twist is that in the next episode they realize they missed their time period by a million years when they came back through the wormhole
>A more likely explanation would be that someone in the future can make these wormholes, and to specific times they want to, or that they can manipulate the one wormhole they have, to go to different periods.
That makes the most sense.
There would have to be some restrictions on creating wormholes though. Either they are hard to make or some interstellar fag law stops people making hundreds of them and fucking shit up in the past.
▶ 832e93 (1) No.9126>>9130 >>9137
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y'all seen 3 Buck Theater's episode 5 recap?
▶ 18d030 (5) No.9130
>>9126
>MundaneFag
That aside, I disagree with his prediction that Pria will come back- I think this was a one shot deal.
▶ 74fbc0 (2) No.9135>>9164 >>9199 >>9203
After episode 5 I have to admit i dont really like the direction Captain Mercer's character is heading. Far too 'regular guy' in the normalfag sense and so keeps doing retarded things. OK so he banged blodie, yet when his first officer comes to see him with her concerns, he obnixiously brushes them aside like some enthusiastic blue piller. Presumably he knows her well enough (and based on what we've seen onscreen) that she's not a totally irrational moron, so why doesn't he take her seriously even if he's not at all convinced?
The character is slowly drifting into sitcom-tier behavior, where the dumb goofy guy who bumbles through life and fucks everything he tries up and has to be reigned in by the smart, witty and down to earth wife character.
I don't like it. It's gonna fuck everything up.
Also as much as I want to cuddle with her and caress her gently, Security Grill is way too [current year] in her mannerisms and line delivery to enjoy seeing onscreen.
And Norm really needs more screen time.
▶ 74fbc0 (2) No.9137
>>9126
This guy is embarrassing. The comments are pure rebbit cancer.
▶ 0e6141 (2) No.9140
>>8929
ole' Charlene Theron sure has hit the wall since getting BLACKED in that one shitty aliens sequel ten years ago. must be menopause. A big-name "get" for the show, i guess, but i thought she seemed to old and matronly for the character in this episode. A starship captain in his prime can do better.
▶ 18d030 (5) No.9164>>9201
>>9135
>why doesn't he take her seriously even if he's not at all convinced?
Initially, it's because he didn't want to believe Pria was lying but after ex-waifu and Security-chan break into her room, he probably assumed ex-waifu was just jealous.
I think I can agree that Kelly needs to be taken down a peg. We need an episode where the situation gets reversed and she fucks something up by not listening to the captain.
▶ 777df0 (1) No.9171
>>9037
Does that make it a soft or a Hard Candy
▶ 7b5c9b (5) No.9197
>>9084
>Red Dwarf written by Seth Macfarlane
please no
▶ 8d9868 (3) No.9199>>9203
>"One thing you can say about 'Discovery is that it's better than that Seth Macfarlane series, The Orville''"
>"That's right Mike"
What are these morons smoking?
I almost wrote off Orville until I saw it praised here.
Orville is a lot more faithful to Star Trek than Discovery, it's a legit space adventure series. With only the smallest dialogue tweaks, "If The Stars Should Appear" (biodome ship) could be an episode in any next-gen era Trek series.
I'm not saying Orville is perfect, there's room for improvement, but it's not the straight parody I had expected.
>>9135
Agreed about Mercer, they don't need to keep reminding us that he's a relateable, regular guy. He needs to be placed into situations where there are difficult decisions to be made, do you save the miners by violating the PD, do you initiate war with the Klingons because they're attacking a Cardassian cruiser containing the remaining members of government, etc.
We had an episode where they did that with the green security officer and gave her a command decision. One issue I had with that episode, was that Gordon told her that Mercer would've violated the stand-down order to go rescue crew, whereas we the audience haven't seen that side of Mercer on-screen; all of the decisions he's been handed so far have been straight-forward. I guess Gordon's basing that statement on his past experience with Mercer?
Do you order your ship doctor to mutilate the alien baby's junk, was probably the only time Mercer had to make a decision where there was arguably some room for debate. Also, later in that same episode, he did not interfere with the procedure after the verdict was entered, which I guess was kind-of a decision. Obviously you can't just go into planets and tell them how to run their shit; I only bring this up because Picard would've possibly interfered, knowing that retaliation against UFP's military superiority is impossible. I didn't really like that episode, it could've been a really good "Measure of a Man" like legal thriller, but instead they had the 1st officer attempting to defend women by displaying typical woman-like complete ignorance of how statistics and population norms should work.
I guess you could say also that Mercer made the decision to nuke the wormhole, but we didn't really witness any deliberation process backing that. It was just like, oh by the way, we're nuking the wormhole, and he never really explained why.
The thing about the comedic slant, is that most Trek series were fairly comedic most of the time that they weren't executing dramatic or action-oriented scenes. Especially Deep Space Nine got to the point where they did entire Ferengi episodes that were pure slapstick. Orville seems to be toning down the humor, I noticed, to like an occasional gag when people step onto an elevator but not much else for 5-10 minutes before and after.
▶ 8d9868 (3) No.9201>>9203 >>9205
>>9164
>Kelly needs to be taken down a peg. We need an episode where the situation gets reversed and she fucks something up by not listening to the captain.
Grayson definitely has a mary sue thing going on, every opinion she espouses is depicted as unassailable, she doesn't appear to make mistakes, she had minimal difficulty enduring torture, etc. I guess one could argue that she made the mistake of cheating on her husband and/ or getting caught. But ever since then, her cheating has been depicted as though she was practically the victim: Mercer was spending too much time at work, he wasn't attending to her needs, etc. We haven't heard Mercer's side of the story, and we don't have any corroborating evidence one way or the other. And I wanna say she told her side of the story on two separate occasions so far.
So I guess Kelly's side of the story is supposed to be canon backstory, rather than unreliable narrator? But wait a minute. One of Kelly's complaints is that Mercer was spending too much time as work, iirc. Aren't they both command officers? Not trying to me some MRA redditfag here, but Mercer and Grayson have the same fucking job. Why was she at home all the time? She doesn't have any kids. Why doesn't she have any kids?
Of course, the writers probably never intended any of these incidental facts to have any impact on the characters' motivations. I suppose that, in the [current-year] television idiom, there must be some convoluted explanation as to why a childless, 34-year-old woman ‒ stuck in a middling, male-oriented career path ‒ would be left wanting in a fuller sense of contentment.
▶ 77ee02 (1) No.9203
>>9199
>>9201
>>9135
I really wish seth mcfarlane could somehow be exposed to posts like this. He has a show with real potential here, and anons in this thread are posting genuinely good advice and analysis
▶ 18d030 (5) No.9205
>>9201
>But wait a minute. One of Kelly's complaints is that Mercer was spending too much time as work, iirc. Aren't they both command officers? Not trying to me some MRA redditfag here, but Mercer and Grayson have the same fucking job. Why was she at home all the time? She doesn't have any kids. Why doesn't she have any kids?
When you look at it this hard, you can tell they came up with the idea of 'Mercer as captain with his ex as first officer' before ironing out the details and that they probably came up with her rationale behind her cheating on him to make her look like less of a cunt since most people hate cheaters.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.9244>>9245
>>9242
Now we just need to splice in Enterprise movie night
▶ 4960c9 (9) No.9245
>>9244
>tucker wiping away tears as STD murders the franchise
▶ 18d030 (5) No.9261
>Talking to mom on phone
>She tells me an old friend of hers has a daughter who's been an extra in some recent TV shows
>Ask what ones
>'Blackish and some show called The Orville.'
>mfw
The world works in mysterious ways.
▶ 235a18 (1) No.9294
>>7159
Big guy when the plane crashed.
▶ d16c84 (22) No.9300>>9307 >>9313
>>9242
>stole this from halfchan
you think they wrote this scene just cause they knew fans would use it for this intended purpose, to shop in STD clips
… and fucking halfchan, no audio support, it lives up the name
▶ 5143b0 (2) No.9307
>>9300
There's fucktons of Trek eastereggs in the show if you keep an eye out
▶ 1a52f3 (1) No.9313>>9314
>>9300
>no audio
not sure the seinfeld clip audio could have been isolated from the crew's laughter, so you would have either gotten phantom kramer talking about junior mints with no STD clip sound or STD clip audio but no laughter.
/austism
▶ d16c84 (22) No.9314
>>9313
it could be the benny hill theme for all i care
▶ 2ae871 (1) No.9372
>Positive press about The Orville
Guess CIScovery shekels ran out?
http://archive.is/Y1jYU
▶ 60e9ae (4) No.9448>>9455 >>9456 >>9459
Episode 6 ("Krill") had its moments. The part where the Krill literally said "Hail Victory" was a bit on the nose, though.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.9455
>>9448
I'd be willing to wager that 4/5 "average americans" wouldn't entirely get it.
Even if you tell them about universal translators.
▶ 5ebfde (2) No.9456
▶ 823eb8 (2) No.9459>>9461
>>9448
The bumbling pilot was annoying. Disregarding their infiltration of the ship, it was ok. Not sure if the Krill are completely xenophobic though, as they had a spy in the science facility, episode 1. Might be a continuity error, or maybe they take slaves and use them as hostages.
▶ 8046f0 (2) No.9461>>9468 >>9469
>>9459
It's not entirely unrealistic that they'd use subkrill. I'm pretty sure I've seen picture of a black SSman somewhere too. Or was that just a /pol/ edit?
▶ 823eb8 (2) No.9468
>>9461
Yeah, I'm not re-watching episode 1 to listen to the traitors reason for selling out the facility to the Krill again. The species having disposable alien 'cattle' or a caste system would not be out of the question, I suppose.
▶ 901348 (4) No.9469
>>9461
There were black nazis, but the SS was specifically for aryans.
▶ d8f9ec (3) No.9470>>9489
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This episode wasn't the best, but it certainly was good and certainly Trek. Quite a few moral dilemmas present and what the female Krill said at the end reminded me of something Dukat would say.
▶ 2f0d4c (1) No.9474>>9475
Was the female krill teacher Seska? The voice is very familiar.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9475>>9493
>>9474
Here's the IMDB for the episode
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6723482/fullcredits/
Alina Andrei is likely the female teacher, just credited as Krill Soldier so not certain.
According to her IMDB she hasn't been in trek before. She could just be a stunt double though.
The krill priest on the other hand, is James Horan who played the shadowy future guy in ENT along with a slew of other roles in VOY and DS 9.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0394533/
▶ d8f9ec (3) No.9482>>9492
>Wil Weaton will eventually guest star on The Orville
They end up blasting out of an airlock into a Sun
▶ c6801a (16) No.9483>>9489 >>9495
mayne, that was the best episode yet
i love the krill
and krill women a cute
we need more of these, they're gonna end up being the cardassians of the show
▶ c91d3e (1) No.9489>>9499
>>9483
This is the first episode of The Orville I've seen so far, and the show is pretty good, minus the humor. If the stupid pilot would stop making the car rental jokes I would have no complaints.
>>9470
>what the female Krill said at the end
I'm finally glad a fictional character brought up that point. There is never a strong consideration in fiction that when you kill your enemies and leave their children behind as survivors, they will inevitably hate you and seek revenge. Has there ever been a genocidal villain who justified their actions with this point?
▶ e072d1 (9) No.9492
>>9482
>Hey, Wil, thanks for joining us, we know you'll just be perfect for this
<Yeah, kay but you know my conditon, no Wesley stuff, nothing to do with that at all
>Yeah, of course, you've seen your shots all high action, CG stuff, it'll redefine you as an actor
*several greenscreen and wire filled days later*
<That was great, I can't wait to see it on air
>Yeah, you'll love it see ya
<See ya
>Prick. Okay, I want Post to do the backgrounds so he gets vented out an airlock or breach, make him suck vacuum.
I can see it happening.
▶ 2e8b29 (2) No.9493
>>9475
>JAmes Horan
Also known as the voice of Devastator Sergeant Avitus.
▶ 501773 (1) No.9495
>>9483
Their costuming and makeup department is putting in some amazing work.
▶ 1817ed (1) No.9499
>>9489
It was the basic point of the beginning of the Godfather: the old mafia guy needs to kill Vito because he knows if he doesn’t, he’ll kill him some day (which happens).
▶ 60e9ae (4) No.9501>>9503
>>9498
Do you think Alara's orgasm would crush a human's dick?
▶ 1e6f1b (3) No.9503
>>9501
Waiting for a kegel exercise joke to turn up
▶ 5565dd (1) No.9509>>9514
I call it now. They will regret telling that kid where Earth is. The Krill will be shown to age rapidly and the grown up kid will lead an assault on Earth.
Krill women make my funny stick feel weird.
▶ c6801a (16) No.9514>>9523
>>9509
look at this face and tell me you wouldn't give her hugs and headpats after she tries to kill you for religious reasons
▶ e072d1 (9) No.9523
>>9514
She's got the same sort of appeal as the female Remans in STO
▶ 8d9868 (3) No.9585>>9608
The Union doesn't appear to be in total war state. The Krill came close to achieving some kind of planetary genocide. They also appear to have had the tactical advantage in the engagements we've seen, although that could be because we're seeing events unfold from the perspective of an exploratory vessel and frontier colonies/ research stations. Unless the Union has some kind of overwhelming strategic advantage that we don't know about (like it's the United States versus Pakistan, for example), I would expect them to be operating at a "Yesterdays Enterprise" type of condition, or at least moving in that direction.
▶ 06ffba (9) No.9608>>9612
>>9585
It's vaguely implied that the Orville isn't a big ship nor designed for combat and that the Union have larger and far more powerful vessels at their disposal.
▶ e072d1 (9) No.9612>>9621
>>9608
>vaguely imply
They straight up showed it against the Admiral's ship in the latest episode.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.9621>>9625
>>9612
Smaller size doesn't necessarily mean it's not suited for front line use. Defiant class was probably smaller than Orville; and that wasn't just a light scout ship.
But I agree with the conclusion. I think they outright said that it's a research vessel.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9625>>9628 >>9632 >>9638 >>9667
>>9621
Thats because the reasoning to justify the Defiant is that the rest of starfleets ships are all shit and its the first time they got their shit together.
It is not an argument for why smaller ships make better warships, only that purpose built warships are better than sending armed science vessels to the frontline.
By the logic of the defiant, if the federation just made a galaxy class or bigger ship purpose built for combat preformance, it would still massively outgun and out fight the defiant.
The logic behind bigger = better for warships is quite simple.
The bigger the ship, the more room for bigger and more efficient reactors it has, the more power it has for guns and shields, the bigger engines it has, the fast it is.
And since internal volume (room for all shit you need to fight) goes up exponentially as you increase the ships dimensions, as ship twice as big will have 8 times more room for guns, reactors, engines and such.
The only reason to build small is if its easy to deliver enough bang to kill any ship in a small package, regardless of its shields, armor and such. Seeing as shields in the shows can stop incoming fire, this does not seem to be the case, thus bigger is better.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.9628>>9660
>>9625
Then take Intrepid class. It's similar in size to Orville and it has about everything that a scout/reconnaissance vessel really needs (sensors and speed), plus a lot of junk that it doesn't need on top of that. It's not unreasonable to hypothesize that the Orville is capable of fulfilling that role well enough to justify its presence near zone of conflict.
▶ d7bff5 (1) No.9632>>9634 >>9660
>>9625
A bigger ship can have bigger engines, but requires a lot more force to maneuver due to mass. They're slower and larger targets. Of course, if you wanted realism or practicality, they should be using drones for space exploration. They should also be using more missiles, chaff to intercept fire and ballistic weapons. They can replicate matter after all.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.9634
>>9632
That can be at least partially explained by AI being hard. I don't think that it's too unreasonable to assume that they're still far from creating AI with capabilities rivaling humans. The current year AI is still below insect level, creating AI that is nearing human levels of intelligence and is reliable enough that you'd trust it with missions where it might have to make critical decisions, that might take a lot of time.
▶ 1af208 (1) No.9638>>9660
>>9625
>The only reason to build small is if its easy to deliver enough bang to kill any ship in a small package,
Well, you want to build a ship as small as possible for multiple reasons: first, less area = less area to hit, and that’s really important. Second, less area means less material, which means more ships, which is also important.
If you can make one large ship vs x smaller ships, there are times where the latter makes sense to do. The smaller ships are harder to hit, each have their own weapons, can move indepently, and crippling one doesn’t reduce the effectiveness of all. But this is a cost point, and even so it makes sense to have some heavy hitters mixed in with smaller ships.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9660>>9690
>>9632
You don't seem to grasp the concept of scaling ships, or anything else, up.
When you double the ships dimensions, you don't get twice the internal volume, you don't get 4 times the internal volume, you get 8 times the volume. You only get 4 times more surface area, unless you change the shape of the ship though.
This means you have 8 times more room for stuff on your ship. Stuff, like bigger engines and reactors with 8 times more room for producing power and thrust for your ship. Everything we know about physics tells us scaling reactors and engines up will make them more effecient. This does not mean that bigger is slower. This isn't a fucking boat that has to push through water slowing it down or something. In space, speed is purely a matter of how fast you can accelerate, which depends on your thrust vs how much mass to move. Yes, you need a lot more energy to move your ship, but you will also get a hell of a lot more energy out of those bigger reactors and engines you got. Engines and reactors you want to have particularly big, especially on a warship that needs lots of power for shields'n'guns'n'sheit.
This is why a shuttle in trek cannot outrun a galaxy class ship. Especially at warp speeds.
So in space, bigger is most likely faster, hits harder and is harder to kill.
Considering the kinds of combat ranges that get thrown around in trek, 100.000km+, the size of your ship won't matter much when it comes to the chance of you getting hit, unless your ship is the size of a moon. At those ranges, the crosssection the enemy is aiming at is so infinitesimally small that halving it will do little to reduce the enemies aim. Your main defence will be your shield and your speed, not being so small the enemy can hit you.
The simple matter is that, the Defiant may have the firepower and shields of a Galaxy Class at a fraction of a Galaxy Class's size, if you took a Galaxy Class, stripped out all the workshops, labs and other superfluous crap and replaced it with extra reactors, guns and shield generators, the resulting ship would massively outgun the Defiant.
The only advantage to a design like the defiant is that its marginally cheaper.
>>9628
Don't the intrepid also have a gigantic reality defying hangar bay that can hold dozens of shuttles, an onboard factory that can make unreplicatable photon torpedoes and all kinds of other crap like that?
>>9638
But wouldn't a big ship with ten times the mass of ten little ships attacking it, have far more energy for guns, shields and engines, than the small ships combined, since it wouldn't have as much mass spent on having 10 of every vital system the ship needs? Shit like, a bridge for the crew to fly it and such. The big ship wouldn't need 10 times the crew of the little ships, so lifesupport and crew accomodations would take up more total mass for the ten ships than the big one. Even assuming the big ships reactors aren't some how more effecient than the little ones, it would still have more mass of guns, shields, engines and the like than the 10 little ships compared. They'd only carry a 10th of the big ships firepower each, at most. And a 10th of its shields. They'd be dropping like flies do to how massively outgunned they are.
Even assuming all ten ships fire in perfect unison against the big ship, small ships will die a lot faster, due to those weak shields, so the attacking fleets firepower will drop off very fast, while the big ship retains all its firepower untill the little ones get all the way through the big shield it has. By then there likely won't be much left of the little ships.
If we assume the big ships shields are designed to take 100 seconds of bombardment from its own guns, for the sake of an example, each of the 10 little ships would only have to fire on the big ship for 100 seconds before they get through it, but the big ship would get through one of their shields. So after ten seconds, one of the little ships gets all the firepower of the big one through its shields and boom. Now the little ones only have a combined 90% of the big ships firepower and will need more time to break through the big ships shields, while the big ship still has all its firepower. See the problem? By the time 100 seconds of shooting is over, the big ships shields will still be up, but the little ships will all have lost shields, one by one.
▶ 05e62e (4) No.9667>>9669
>>9625
>And since internal volume goes up exponentially as you increase the ships dimensions
Trekkie math… not even once.
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9669>>9670 >>9681
>>9667
They do teach basic math and geometry in burger schools, right?
▶ 05e62e (4) No.9670>>9671
>>9669
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function
Do I need to link to the afrikaans wikipedia, or will this do for the purposes of educating your ignorant ass?
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9671>>9672
>>9670
exponential
ˌɛkspəˈnɛnʃ(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: exponential
1.
(of an increase) becoming more and more rapid.
"the social security budget was rising at an exponential rate"
▶ 05e62e (4) No.9672>>9674
>>9671
>using colloquial definitions for mathematical terms in a mathematical discussion
shiggydiggydoo
▶ ae12a2 (17) No.9674>>9676
>>9672
We're discussing math? I didn't know I was supposed to be debating math. I thought I was just commenting on ship scale.
▶ 05e62e (4) No.9676
>>9674
>And since internal volume goes up exponentially as you increase the ships dimensions
k. That's a mathematical statement whether you want it to be or not. fyi it grows polynomially, more specifically cubically in 3 dimensions. The relation of growth is a power function. The only way "exponentially" is appropriate is if you're discussing a dimensional extension of the ship into nonspecific higher dimensions.
>They do teach basic math and geometry in burger schools, right?
>We're discussing math?
But to be fair, you're head is probably so far up your ass that all of that was meaningless.
▶ 901348 (4) No.9681
LMAO. Glad to see y'all dick down this dumbass.
>>9669
>lel, x^k and k^x are the same, amirite guise?
That's what you sound like. Our burger schools may be shit, but it seems they're still better than yours.
▶ 457b0d (6) No.9690
>>9660
>In space, speed is purely a matter of how fast you can accelerate
Except it doesn't work like that at warp speeds. It should be obvious that this stuff is more complicated than simple 5th grade acceleration.
▶ d3cc01 (1) No.9741>>9756
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Here you go guys, have a thing. It shows how the makeup for the krill are done and comments on other things in the show like Alara's change in makeup from the pilot.
▶ 1e6f1b (3) No.9756
>>9741
Thanks. i don't like the Tested guys, but that was interesting.
Shitload of Krill makeup.
▶ 5aeab7 (1) No.9775
I wasn't crazy about Krill. Didn't pay-off as comedy… or sci-fi… or morality play. Although, i keked a bit a few of the jokes in the early scene on the bridge.
If they tighten-up the worldbuilding a bit and go for a slightly more serious setting, I could see The Orville becoming MASH in space - sort of laughing with the TNG setting instead of laughting at it. If it's going to continue on as a farce, though, they're going to have to improve the comedy writing.
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