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2d0b5f (3) No.19872>>19973 >>19981 >>20017 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Is there anything more dangerous to a Starfleet officer than their own terminals? It seems like anytime anything goes wrong, the first thing to go are the consoles, exploding with enough force to kill redshirts instantly but still be immediately usable by the next redshirt. Is this a design feature? Are the engineers just that retarded or is there real science behind it?

I think that if we were to go throughout the series and get a Starfleet death count, the majority of them would be to exploding consoles.

ce9eb8 (1) No.19873

Due to overpopulation Starfleet needed to increase the mortality rate of their disposable crewmembers yet still keep the ship function. Thus stations where expendable crewmen would sit were rigged to explode yet still be usable by the next crewman.


6405d7 (3) No.19874>>19878

It's literal plot armor. Rather than investing heavily in armor and shields as the Klingons, or relying on subterfuge like the Romulans do, Starfleet optimizes their ships for "exploration" and sticking their noses where they don't belong. To combat this, Section 31 has made a pact with the blood god in order to protect Starfleet vessels. In exchange for protection of the greater ship, the blood god will accept the sacrifice of low-ranking crewmen through the unholy conduit of the terminal, whose circuits are actually arranged in the design of this god's emblem. 1


a5b6cf (1) No.19878>>19884

>>19874

I thought Starfleet made a pact with Tzeentch with only Janeway following Khorne?


6405d7 (3) No.19884>>19886

>>19878

Nah, the Feddies are Slaanesh cultists, with S31 strategically allying to Khorne. Romulans are Tzeentch's favorite.


73919c (1) No.19886>>19914

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>>19884

The Federation represents Chaos Undivided with Captains showing their allegiance to a particular God.

Kirk is a Champion of Slaanesh, constantly seeking new thrills and experiences never being quite satisfied.

Picard is a Champion of Tzeentch, a pursuit of great knowledge and investigating the mysterious of the universe but not always quite getting the answer.

Sisko is a Champion of Nurgle, representing the rot and decay of the Federation as well as it's rebirth

Janeway is a Champion of Khorne, spilling blood for her insatiable lust for coffee. She cares not whose blood is spilled, as long as the coffee pours into her cup.


047e3e (4) No.19887>>19892 >>19912

It's just a shorthand for "ship is exploding" where, for budgetary reasons, they can't actually damage the set by having people killed by shrapnel or the ceiling collapsing.

As for the "science" aspect, there's really no reason for this to happen. Yeah, there's entire city's worth of power cycling through a starship because of the warp engines, but that wouldn't affect the control consoles. Anyone who knows the first thing about electrical engineering knows that control inputs for applications with high voltage use lower-voltage. You think in a nuclear power plant there's just an "on switch" that functions like a goddamn light switch in your house, directly connecting several gigawatts of power from the reactor(s) to the grid? Come on.

So the worst thing that could possibly happen is the lower-rated cable between the power plant of the ship and the control panel would just MELT in the case of a power surge greater than it could handle. (Or if it had any fucking safety measures, trip a fuse or breaker.) It would never reach the control panel.


a7d9e8 (1) No.19892>>19919 >>19933 >>19970

>>19887

>It's just a shorthand for "ship is exploding"

exactly.

>they can't actually damage the set by having people killed by shrapnel or the ceiling collapsing

they learned their lesson with this when they permanently damaged sets and models with Undiscovered Country and Generations. It's why the conference lounge set is different in late TNG and why all Excelsiors on screen after Generations have the "wide body" secondary hulls. It's to cover-up for a destruction scene fuckup.

The creme de la creme of Trek set 'splosions has got to be when they decided that the Enterprise-D bridge has a brick wall and it should explode and kill Riker in Yesterday's Enterprise.


8395ac (1) No.19912>>20047 >>20249

>>19887

They don't use wires, power distribution on is done via tubes of charged electro-plasma, so whenever a console explodes it is due to a power surge causing the plasma to be more than the plasma conduit can handle.


1b412f (1) No.19914

>>19886

Underrated post.


39a5fa (1) No.19919>>19933

>>19892

At least the poor Excelsior model was only seen one more time, as the Lakota, before CGI models restored it to it's true form.


525bae (1) No.19933>>19969

>>19892

>>19919

>Ship Gore

If you think that's bad, the Klingon Negh'var model was destroyed by the Scots cause they thought drugs were inside. Hence why you never really see the Negh'var model past that mirror universe episode.


6405d7 (3) No.19969>>19971

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>>19933

>the Klingon Negh'var model was destroyed by the Scots cause they thought drugs were inside.

I…what?


ea987f (1) No.19970>>19971

>>19892

Couldn't they build another model? I thought Star Trek had at least a bit of a budget by the 90's.


3d8fe1 (2) No.19971

>>19969

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Negh'Var_warship#Studio_models

>Apparently when the Neg'Var model got to customs they thought there might be drugs hidden in it so they broke it open. When it came back it was broken in pieces. That was a nasty surprise

>>19970

They may have had a budget but they were literally spending every bit of it and had nothing spare. Pursestrings were very tight.


0c2a51 (1) No.19973

>>19872 (OP)

They're running i5 rigs pre-meltdown


e7a46f (5) No.19981>>19984 >>19998 >>20249

>>19872 (OP)

>Is there anything more dangerous to a Starfleet officer than their own terminals?

The thing that's causing the consoles to explode?

>oh man this enemy ship is firing on us

>they caused the engine to explode

>it killed some crewmen

>the fucking engines are so dangerous!

Like literally what the fuck are you saying right now? It's not the consoles that are dangerous. It's the shit that causes them to explode. Anything on a spaceship can explode if something damages it enough. I'm sure there are dozens of people who have been shredded to death by shrapnel in the showers and shitters when someone fires phasers at them. You might as well get mad that people die in battles because that's pretty much what you're whining about.


f6627f (1) No.19984>>19996

>>19981

>The thing that's causing the consoles to explode?

So starfleet's shitty ship design skills? You can expect that a starship is gonna get shot at from time to time, so if you wire your ship up in such a way that the helm explodes when the shields get hit, your crewmen are dying because of your incompetence and not because Romulans are meanies.


e7a46f (5) No.19996>>20108

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>>19984

>So starfleet's shitty ship design skills?

You meandering, neanderthalic moron.

It happens on every starship from every faction, and on top of that casualties occur ship-wide and not just on the bridge. If you watched fucking show once in a while and you'd notice this shit.

Fuck off, mouthbreather. Fuck right off back to Star Wars.


2d0b5f (3) No.19998>>20000

>>19981

>Anything on a spaceship can explode if something damages it enough.

You're right, but it's only ever the consoles that blow up, along with some shaking. If things are really fucked then the lights will turn off.


e7a46f (5) No.20000

>>19998

I don't think lights are attached to the plasma grid like consoles are, and have probably self-contained power supplies. When a ship is damaged the lights do flicker/dim. I'm also confident I've seen sparks spew from the ceilings of ships at some points on heavily damaged ships.


09102a (1) No.20017>>20028

>>19872 (OP)

>Socialist engineering

There is your answer.


42e35b (1) No.20028>>20034

>>20017

Imagine Jewish engineering?


e7a46f (5) No.20034>>20057

>>20028

>Imagine Jewish engineering?

Well they did a pretty good job at constructing the holocaust.


3efa16 (1) No.20047>>20048

>>19912

Maybe they should go back to wires. That seems safer. Also maybe not have a massive matter-antimatter reactor set right in their vessels' center of mass would be a good idea too.


423b0a (1) No.20048>>20452

>>20047

Where should they have it? Should they put it on the bow like a bowsprit? If it's deep in the ship it's protected. If they need to get rid of it they can always eject it.


59ada8 (1) No.20055>>20057

It all makes more sense if you assume that star fleet primarily exist to get rid of all the humans that aren't quite pacified enough to be soulless drones in earth's socialist "Utopia"


45bc08 (1) No.20057

>>20034

kek

>>20055

Considering that if you don't agree to the status quo you get shipped off to penal colonies I am not surprised.


e1c681 (1) No.20108

>>19996

>calls poster a moron

>redditposts

Anon…


047e3e (4) No.20249>>20253 >>20452

>>19912

Whether wires or treknobabble tubes of plasma, they should still have some fucking fuses in there somewhere.

>>19981

Oh yeah, like that time when Not-the-Defiant got attacked by a Jem'Hadar battlecruiser and LITERALLY EVERYONE ON THE BRIDGE was killed by exploding consoles, except for Nog, and then he and Jake just waltzed off to the escape pod because no critical systems like life support or artificial gravity had also been knocked out.

This reminds me, how come "knocking out the artificial gravity" never happened after TUC? At least by DS9 or VOY it couldn't have been that expensive to string the actors on wires and CGI the wires out in post.


e7a46f (5) No.20253>>20258 >>20316 >>20452

>>20249

>It's not the consoles that are dangerous

>It's the shit that causes them to explode

>uuuuuh but what about when the ship got shot up by an enemy ship?

That's literally what I'm talking about. It wasn't the consoles that are dangerous. It's the Jem'Hadar battlecruiser shooting them and damaging the ship. Plasma power grid gets overloaded/overstressed and causes explosions. It's not the consoles. You know there are crew outside the bridge too, yeah?


2d0b5f (3) No.20258>>20260

>>20253

Your argument would have more weight if the consoles weren't consistently the first thing to kill nameless extras every time there's a space battle. Sure, they're blowing up because the ship is being shot at, but you'd think the terminals would be blown up with enough force to ruin the controls if it's able to kill people. It's downright comical.


3fe10b (1) No.20259>>20282 >>20285 >>20317 >>20452

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The Trek universe is an OSHA nightmare. Their consoles explode anytime they take damage. They have no seat belts or anything to secure themselves so they fly all over the place when the ship shakes. Then you have shit that fucks with space that you can fall into the floor. They don't even bother to secure heavy cargo. They just stack it where it can easily fall on someone.


de2f0e (4) No.20260>>20452

>>20258

>Your argument would have more weight if the consoles weren't consistently the first thing to kill nameless extras every time there's a space battle.

Dozens of times they receive casualty reports from multiple decks. No indication that the bridge ones are the first ones or that they're all console-derived. Ruptured coolant, gas leaks, collapsing structures, etc. hell I've seen several (nameless) characters with giant chunks of metal sticking out of their heads. Broken bones and ruptured arteries are seen in sickbay a few times, and a plasma conduit exploding through a console won't cause that shit without burns.


8fe8fd (1) No.20282>>20285

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>>20259

>The Trek universe is an OSHA nightmare.

Yep. TNG's Enterprise looks like a space cruise ship, but in practice it operates like a death trap that would fail most basic safety inspections.


3d8fe1 (2) No.20285

>>20259

Starfleet should be shut down for health and safety.

>>20282

>TNG Love boat

I actually remember there being a legit parody of that done as a sketch in the way back when. Think even Patrick Stewart was on it.


047e3e (4) No.20316>>20318

>>20253

Your argument is basically saying that there shouldn't be any laws requiring buildings to stand up to earthquakes, because if the entire building collapses due to shoddy engineering at the slightest shake, it's really just the earthquake's fault.

It's fucking stupid. You're fucking stupid.


33f3e6 (1) No.20317>>20334 >>20362 >>20374

>>20259

that horror scene of the random goldshirt woman stuck in the deck of the corridor always tickled my 'tism. Why are her head & neck upright?


de2f0e (4) No.20318>>20443 >>20452

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>>20316

>Your argument is basically saying that there shouldn't be any laws requiring buildings to stand up to earthquakes

At no point have I said anything even close to that. When you, a high powered military starship fuel by highly dangerous fuels, get shot at with a giant space laser that could destroy an entire city, things will explode no matter what. You can insulate and armor things as much as you want, but it will still happen. No armor has been created that is 100% effective. Earthquake resistant buildings aren't earthquake proof - if they are then Japan would never have an issue with earthquakes. Shit can and will get damaged no matter how resistant you make, even if it's to the highest regulation and code. You can't stop damage entirely, ever, you can only dampen it. Which I'm sure they have aboard starships.

No, you're fucking stupid. Go away.


3c457b (1) No.20334>>20362

>>20317

The actress couldn't not display her disaffection with the scene.


de2f0e (4) No.20362>>20364

>>20334

>>20317

Taking a good look at her she looks a little like Michael Fassbender.


a5a2e6 (1) No.20364

>>20362

What a cold emotionless Kraut?


e66235 (1) No.20374>>20381

>>20317

More importantly

Why are those epic gumdrop nipples pointed In radically different directions?


2b99e1 (1) No.20381

>>20374

Fucks sake I can't unsee. Was she even wearing a bra or are bras outlawed in Starfleet?


047e3e (4) No.20443>>20452

>>20318

Of course you didn't say it; it was a fucking analogy you retard. Your claim is that it's okay for random shit to explode and kill people, because it's to be expected when the ship is under attack, which is completely countered by the fact that NOTHING IN REALITY WORKS THAT WAY. Let's not bother reinforcing a tanker hauling gasoline; if it explodes killing a dozen people nearby after it gets rear-ended in traffic, that's to be expected, right?

I've already stated why there is zero sense in a console exploding because it shouldn't be carrying enough current (or plasma, or whatever). Many in this thread already agreed that it was a plot device in the show that made no sense in context. You've already lost the argument; I'm just trying to make you understand WHY you're a retard, but you refuse. You're a straight-up flat-Earther at this point, continue to argue even though you KNOW you're wrong, because it's preferable to admitting you were wrong.

And now you're going to post le ebin meme reaction image at me? Go run out onto a freeway, kid. Maybe if someone bashes your skull in hard enough, it might improve things.


614bc7 (1) No.20452>>20455

>>20048

> If they need to get rid of it they can always eject it.

Except the core ejection system ALWAYS fails. Like, in the entire franchise, I think they've only every successfully ejected the warp core twice in the entire franchise. Every other time there's an imminent breach, somebody has the honor of telling the captain why the ejector isn't working.

Their safety systems a shit.

Also, that's no reason you can't transmit your power in the form of electrical wires. Hell, they probably have usable superconductors to make it safer and more efficient.

>>20249

>how come "knocking out the artificial gravity" never happened after TUC?

It's a bunch of shit to set up for filming. Set time is expensive, not to mention insurance, actors' contracts, and the wire guys are probably union, so that's all an extra pain in the ass. It's much easier and cheaper to dick with the lights, rig some sparks in the walls, and tell the actors to shake around.

>>20253

>Plasma power grid gets overloaded/overstressed and causes explosions.

What part of "they should have fuses" are you not getting? My 1998 Caddy's electrical system is better equipped to handle a Jem'Hadar attack than a Federation combat vessel's is.

If the explosion doesn't penetrate the hull, there's no excuse for the power system to always be the first thing to explode, all over the ship, and inside critical areas like the bridge. When an aircraft carrier takes a torpedo to the hull, the power system doesn't cause the bridge to also explode. Ever.

>>20259

This. Also the guys in the back don't even get chairs for some reason. The whole ship is designed like an office building; that is, like they don't expect it to ever move anywhere.

>>20260

The walls all over the ship are lined with consoles. Hell, I think this is established in the one of the first episodes when somebody needs to find their way around the ship.

>hell I've seen several (nameless) characters with giant chunks of metal sticking out of their heads. Broken bones and ruptured arteries are seen in sickbay a few times, and a plasma conduit exploding through a console won't cause that shit without burns.

Did you miss the word "first"? Those things are almost always portrayed after a battle scene, where I guarantee you'll have seen at least one console explode.

>>20318

While what the other guy said is kinda dumb, you're not really holding Trek engineering to any standard at all. Yes, I expect a city-destroying laser to do some damage to the ship. The fact that said damage consistently, almost always first shows in the form of key command equipment simply exploding in the face of the crew of the ship, rather than those working parts of the ship that are more removed from where the crew typically is, is simply unforgivable. Current war technology is far safer to its crew than that, and if your power system poses that much danger to your crew in a vessel that you anticipate seeing combat, then it is simply not a tolerable risk. Convert that energy to electricity and use wires and fuses instead. If you expect your ship will see combat, you must design your systems to not be actively aiding the enemy in killing your crew.

>>20443

You're right, but maybe chill a little?


de2f0e (4) No.20455

>>20452

>What part of "they should have fuses" are you not getting?

Do you not understand that even fuses overload, or can be damaged in combat regardless?

>While what the other guy said is kinda dumb, you're not really holding Trek engineering to any standard at all.

Yes I am, I'm holding to one where they've done their best with in a high powered situation.

Just because electrical circuits sometimes cause fires that burn down houses doesn't mean we should all stop using circuits and just use candlelight because it's safer. Their ships need to use electro-plasma to work. It's a currently unavoidable constant of the state of universe, not the result of bad engineering, hence why it affects other factions/races too.




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