/strek/ - Star Trek

It's a love letter to the Star Trek of old, with homages to both TOS and TNG seen in the episodes. The humor is forced at first, with a definite air of, "Fox said this must be a comedy, INSERT JOKE HERE." Once you get past that, it's a solid show. Even the humor gets better, once it moves away from trying to be Family Guy tier and becomes a little more natural.

It's a star trek rip off written by people who have only ever heard of star trek second hand from their dad. It reminded me a lot of what I imagine the Galaxy Quest TV show would be like.

Characters are completely incompetent and the plots are nearly always hamfisted and blunt as a brick. The jokes are shit and don't get any better.

I think people like it because they're so desperate for a good trek show, and compared to STD it's the better show. But it's way more family guy than TNG.

>>14824

>It's more family guy than TNG

It is all this at first, but towards the mid and end it transforms completely. Mainly cause they actually get Star Trek writers to write the show. Hell even Frosted Frakes is directing episodes.

I think Season 2 will be better, Fox probably didn't have much faith in it going a hard scifi route in pre-production, but once fans tuned in, I'm sure they're willing to open an ear to the actually people they want to stick around.

>>14824

Did you actually watch the entire series or just the first episode?

>>14832

I watched up until episode 10.

>>14830

They stopped shoe-horning in awful jokes as much, but the episodes were still crappily written nonsense.

Not understanding the basic biology of a federation species? C'mon man, that's like a key plot point in one of the later episodes and it's just bullshit.

Every time they go undercover they don't even attempt to pretend there are any stakes in the situation. It's constant mugging for the camera, pop culture references, lame jokes, etc.

>>14837

Reminds me of Season 2 of Enterprise and most of Voyager :^)

It’s family guy in space. A few fox (now Disney) shills were here talking it up a litte while back.

>>14841

>Watch Family Goy recently

>Full of scenes where they make fun of (((Hollywood's))) obsession with diversity over actual entertainment

>Calls out feminists and SJW's

>Attacks Black Lives Matter and Nogs for being racist wanting to kill whitey

>Points out media hypocrisy at every turn especially since (((they))) twist whites defending themselves from Nogs but ignore Nog on Nog violence

Calling it Family Guy in Space is honestly a massive complement now considering how redpilled it has become.

It's enjoyable. Not mind-blowing by any means, but it captures that 90s TV sci-fi vibe quite well.

Goons hate it as it's not Diversity Squad.

>>14847

Yes, the pro gay marriage tv show is very redpilled.

>>14860

… but they aren't gay, they are so extremely misogynistic that they have gassed all women from their society, REDPILLED AS FUCK

>>14860

It's not really gay marriage, if your species are all men, and it's a traditional social norm. It's like saying slugs are gay.

>>14860

>>14862

>>14873

On that note - what the hell makes a moclan "female"? If the males are capable of asexual reproduction, what's different about a male mating with a female?

>>14830

Speaking of the writers, I'm really impressed by MacFarlane, he's really involved into the show, you can see it's a project that he had in mind for quite some time.

>>14837

Just like a key plot point of a next gen episode was Beverly Crusher, a federation doctor, not knowing Trill were worms and being surprised when they switched bodies.

>>14883

The Trill are not worms, Trill are the host species, and only a small percentage of the population ever gets a "worm"

>>14862

I’m talking about Family Guy you faggot fuck.

>>14885

Aren't the trills both the host and the worm?

>>14876

I guess it's just a deformity that closely resembles the females of other species. Like a man with really low test.

About a Girl and Majority Rule are the best episodes, and are on par with anything from TNG. The rest are mostly passable.

They really need to wrap up Mercer and Grayson's broken marriage because having that conflict be the B plot of every other episode got annoying fast.

>>14895

Bullshit. Shit like the Inner Light is beyond anything Macfarlane can think up. At best that is Season One TNG equivalent.

>>14885

That's just DS9 retcon.

>>14887

Trills are the species of spotty humanoid people who get the worms implanted inside them. The worms are called "symbionts", which is probably what causes the confusion, because it's not a species name. Apparently, they don't have one.

>>14899

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>>14887

From the actual episode:

>ODAN: This body is just a host. I am that parasite. That is what must survive. It has always been this way. The Trill are a joined species. A host and a symbiont, and in this fashion we have survived for millennia.

>ODAN: The host body is dying. You must contact the Trill quickly. Tell them I need another host. They will send a replacement. I know this is difficult to accept, but I beg you, Doctor Beverly, help me. This mission must be completed.

>>14896

If you think the Orville can't do Inner Light-tier shit, take a look at STD. Output from CBS directly makes Spock's Brain look like an Asimov yarn.

>>14895

Majority Rule had a suspiciously similar premise to a Black Mirror episode.

>>14885

>implying they wouldn't teach about this unique symbiosis because there are only a small number of them

>implying anyone would not learn it in elementary-school biology class and on holodeck nature shows

>>14973

According to TNG? No.

>>14974

I'm not saying it isn't canon and that it can't be explained somehow, just that it's hard to do and the writers made a puzzling choice. Unless they already explained it away in the episode, like ''oh no this is our most closely guarded secret but Ozri Dex urgently needs worm surgery, enterprise halp. So I'm not a walking episode guide, pls no bully and pls suck my dick.

>>14907

Because Discovery is shit doesn’t mean the Orville is good.

>>14902

The Trill underwent a considerable retcon to where they are a joined entity.

>>14909

MacFarlane said that he wrote the episode a long time ago when he was trying to sell his idea for a Star Trek spin off.

>>14982

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>>14895

I'm really unsure about liking Majority Rule.

On one hand, I've been a fan of this idea for a long time - that is, how much and in what ways handling everything though direct democracy would be absusable. Concept itself - perfect.

But the episode is bulit all around social media, and it's most likely gonna make it really dated in the future. It's clear that the base idea isn't "let's wonder about the social implications of some system of beliefs" but just "hey guys, let's make fun of facebook"

>>15000

Most of the episode is just ok, but the ending is pretty good, because it can be an introduction for normalfags to the concept of shilling. The sequence where the Orville crew fakes video and comments to convince the chat room of what's-his-name's innocence is what I'm referring to.

>>15000

Making the civilization less of a direct copy of earth would have helped. Also either switching characters or come up with a better reason for pissing the planet off besides humping astatue

>>14975

There's an episode where Picard has to prove that a teenager is really an admiral who has been rejuvenated and he decides that photographs will be enough.

Failure to predict information technology's reshaping of society leads to a lot of situations that look ridiculous to us in hindsight.

Also, in TNG children are expected to learn calculus at age 10. This either indicates that humanity has physically evolved to be more intelligent or that society is so incredibly "stable and enlightened" that children are able to be shaped in this way. Adding the fact that one of humanity's few differentiating traits compared to other species is their strong parental instincts, the other races probably view a human upbringing as equivalent to brainwashing.

>>15320

But most countries do learn calculus by the age of 10 though?

>>15320

Said 2 things and forgot to tie them together:

Credibility of media + academically skilled children that accept information from authority without question = a world without the internet.

>>15321

Here you can graduate high school without taking it. The show acts like it's something impressive, either way.

>>15320

It's entirely possible for most people to have graduated college by their teen years. It's just most people don't get a quality education because public schools run at the speed of their stupidest student.

>>15044

One of the wrinkles of being a "comedy" is that they can play classic Trek bullshit like "parallel development" totally straight with no additional justification.

>>14909

I haven't seen BLACKED Mirror, but it reminded me of the show Sliders.

>>15000

Of all the directions they could've gone, they made it about SJW lynch mobs and daft women. Also the cops' logo resembled a Star of David. What did they mean by this?

>>15399

Schools aren't about education :^)

>>15566

School is about dragging down learning pace the smartest to the dumbest student's abilities in the name of fairness

Most knowledge is irrelevant anyways and 80% of the current curriculum could be discarded to a "google when you need it" and replaced with technical assignments and critical thinking exercises

>>15597

>Most knowledge is irrelevant anyways and 80% of the current curriculum could be discarded to a "google when you need it" and replaced with technical assignments and critical thinking exercises

I agree on principle, but leading a horse to water doesn't mean it's going to drink. With some things like basic history, I think it's still necessary to give students at least a primer in the classroom, just enough so that those who decide they're interested have a general idea of what to look for on their own besides "shit that happened in the past."

>>15597

Schools are about conformity and establishing hierarchy.

How are indoctrination centers schools for each Star Trek race? Cardassians apparently promote academic excellence with loyalty to the state while Ferengi are homeschooled and use apprenticeships. What do Romulans and Klingons do?

>>19233

klingons have 4 hour shop classes.

romulans, I dunno, whatever they do in china.

>>19336

>4 hour shop classes

That sounds fantastic.

So while everyone else teaches kids useful life skills and trades Feds and Cardassians Romulans? teach them propaganda?

>>19336

>whatever they do in china.

More like the sort of education a child would receive in Imperial Rome.

>>19364

Cardassians seem to have a very high achiever mentality. There wasn’t a single Cardassian on DS9 who wasn’t erudite as fuck.

Fox and the director wants it to be a Family Guy. A comedy show built for the average dumbass basic bitch that follows Kardashians on every social network. The writing team (and actors?) want it to be a serious show exploring deep philosophical concept, because most of the writers were poached from ACTUAL scifi shows.

That's why every episode has an undercurrent of depth which is completely destroyed and made invisible by an oil slick of quick made-to-order jokes.

>>19233

Federation schools all kids and all ages (multiple grades) together in some communist classes. So you see a fucking three year old chewing on a chip while learning about isolinear chips along with a 18 year old that has been using isolinear chips for almost a decade in datapads.

Cardassians have a native eidetic memory, and their entire educational system is designed to expand that capability to uberman proportions. So they don't even need to teach their kids in a standard sense, just have them read a book and they remember and integrate every single detail. Their real education is just learning to have an eye for detail, and how to parse through the massive databank they have in their head.

Klingons use apprenticeships and hands on learning, Klingon learning emphasizes how to be useful in battle, and learning about Klingon history of victories (a victory is useless if no one knows about it). Children are valued even if they fuck up, because they're part of the

"family" or "house" which is a vast and complex meaning in Klingoni. If a kid is an idiot, everyone in the House is obligated to find some way to make that useful, so everyone pitches in.

Ferengi education is actually child exploitation, the children aren't even taught to read. The only way for a Ferengi child to get educated is to steal educational material and teach themselves, save up from their meagar pay (impossible) to pay an adult to teach them, or blackmail an adult into doing it. Any kid that doesn't do this stays permanently dumb and is the lowest tier of Ferengi society, always shat on by all the others. Needless to say this darwinian systems ends up with 1 in 100 kids that has everything, and 99 that have fucking nothing. Doptherians are basically a devolved Ferengi subclass that happened as a result of uneducated Ferengi interbreeding to make a new species. Kobheerians then evolved from this inbred monster race when a ship of them crash landed on a planet. It would be like human niggers creating a new ape like species by interbreeding, some travelling to an island, then a new intelligent species evolving from it. It's lulzy as fuck.

Romulans have standard classes like we did in the 1950s, except they start at 5 years old. Their children don't exist until they reach 5 years of age…. this is due to old customs because their early life was harsh and most kids died before that age. Either way at 5 they get primary education, move on to secondary, tertiary etc. Schooling lasts 15 years, and is broken up into five year segments. Education is wholly public and aimed at eliminating family rank influence, but a family that's rich can use its money to hire private tutors and help their kid along.

>>19396

>Federation schools all kids and all ages (multiple grades) together in some communist classes. So you see a fucking three year old chewing on a chip while learning about isolinear chips along with a 18 year old that has been using isolinear chips for almost a decade in datapads.

Are we sure that's all Federation schools? That may be starship-exclusive, where there's only one sorry soul on board that's willing to deal with the little shits, and/or was the loser in poker this week. Splitting everyone up into grade levels doesn't make very much sense when there would be two little shits per class, tops.

>>19396

How do you know this shit anon?

>>19413

I always wondered how schools worked on Starships. It can't possibly be a good education can it? Also how did the teachers not throw Wesley out the airlock?

In case anyone is interested in the german dub, it's broadcast tuesdays 20.15 on pro7 starting tomorrow. In one block with Family Guy and Sword Art Online, so expect a certain kind of newfags and cancer very soon.

How come there's no cleavage or cat suits or miniskirts? Fuckin SJWs man

>>19830

Uhhh, because this is more TNG than TOS, as far as I can tell? And the closest thing we had to those back then was Tipper Gore?

>>19396

>Romulans have standard classes like we did in the 1950s, except they start at 5 years old.

Anon, that’s when kids start nowadays.

>>19836

Some countries a lot of kids start at 4.

In Orville news Brannon Braga apparently has been signed up as a writer for Season 2 of The Orville.

>>19841

He was a writer for STD, right?

>>19854

No. He's attributed with writing some of the better Trek episodes.

>>19841

>>19854

>>19855

My mistake, apologies. I had heard that some writer left STD for Orville on account of the former being a creatively bankrupt trashfire.

>>19841

>>19854

>>19855

My mistake, apologies. I had heard that some writer left STD for Orville on account of the former being a creatively bankrupt trashfire.

>>19861

>>19860

Site is borked I see.

>>19860

Hopefully he was the one good writer on STD, and not any of those other writers.

>>19863

Name of the guy is Joe Menosky. Apparently he wrote Darmok and several other episodes of 90s Trek, so I think he'll be a good addition. Also,

>Seth MacFarlane has stated that the second season of The Orville “will lean a little more heavier [sic] into the science fiction,”

Sounds like Seth is going to move away from the stilted comedy bits and just start remaking Trek, which is good news for us.

http://archive.fo/mREE0

>>19862

I think in this case the doubleposting was my fault and not Jim's. ID's are borked because I turned off phone's WiFI before posting again. I'll probably have a third ID now for posting from laptop.

>>19864

You aren't the only anon I've seen making double posts across the site so I wouldn't worry about it.

Seems that Seth is taking all the talent.

>>19867

>Seems that Seth is taking all the talent.

Aye. Between this and Season 2 getting delayed until "late 2019" we might see the death of STD. They'll probably still show Season 2, or at least part of it. But lefty agenda or no, I'd be surprised if it continues past that, because at the end of the day something that's hemorrhaging money isn't an effective propaganda source.

>>19864

It doesn't seem to be a secret at this point that Seth wants to make Star Trek, but has to do the comedy angle because he's Seth MacFarlane.

I'm cool with comedy that plays on Star Trek tropes. I even laughed during the episode where Isaac learns about practical jokes. We could do with less grinding on statues though. That was just out of place.

>>19831

Whatever, I want the hot chick in a Troi-tier outfit and some yoga scenes thanks

>>19870

You can tell he actually has passion for the project and is doing it cause he wants to do it, not just for a paycheck.

>>19841

I think he wrote and directed the doctor and Isaac episode.

>>19854

No, he worked on TNG, VOY, ENT and some of the TNG movies.

>>19870

>That was just out of place.

Yes and no. In a way it's explained in a later episode when we learn that he's a smart guy but acted like an idiot just to feel accepted by the people from his colony.

>Joe Menosky

He also wrote the Groundhog Day episode of STD.

>http://archive.fo/mREE0

>director Jon Cassar

Damn, Seth is bringing the good people on board.

Now if only Seth could bring the Thompson and Weddle duo in the writing staff, that'd be nice.

Interestingly Joe Menosky and Brannon Braga supposedly work very well together.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Joe_Menosky

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Brannon_Braga

>>19233

Human education seems really fucking weird.

Kids of all ages in what appears to be the futuristic equivalent of a one-room-schoolhouse, often looks like a living room with computers.

Once you get to about age 14 you just wander around or some shit, or get an internship with random people.

I do remember LaForge saying he went to high school though.

>>19916

Again, the only schools we've seen are on starships and DS9. In both cases there aren't a whole lot of students and even fewer people with the time, willingness, and ability to teach. They do a one-room schoolhosue on starships and the like because that's what makes sense for the setting and the resources (in this case labor) available.

>>19916

As anons have said we never actually see schools cause the kids are in places they shouldn't be like a frontier space station or warship

>>19917

This makes me wonder if nobody gives a rat ass about teaching who provides the kids an education? The holodeck?

You know, if you told me a year ago that Seth McFarlane was going to make a sci-fi show that was basically Star Trek, and that it would be less left wing than the actual Star Trek show it was going up against, I would have thought you were retarded.

>>19943

We live in interesting times. Where Trek is considered too right wing for the left

>>19944

If you break down Star Trek, it's incredibly problematic really. Utopia is everyone learning to behave like a white man. Where are all the Muslims? Where's all the colorful ghetto culture? Where are's the righteous fury of feminism? smdh fam.

>>19956

Star Trek is a setting where it was assumed everyone evolved into human beings.

>>19370

Does that include gentle sodomy?

>>19841

>>19855

No, when Brannon Braga was given unlimited authority, we got the shitshow of STE.

>>20019

Yeah, but he isn't being given unlimited reign here, he's just another part of the team under MacFarlane.

>>20018

They aren't Greeks.

>>20019

As a writer he's good.

As a producer he's bad.

>>20022

>They aren't Greeks

You clearly aren't familiar with the works of jjfrenchie.

>>20023

Romans were only into sodomy of their women

Mean while Greeks did invent sex Romans invented having it with women.

>>20422

The Jew fears the Trek.