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>>1168924

Scott Adams recent video post tickles the brain cells. Our tendencies are to recognize patterns. The bane of this piece of machinery in our thinking is that patterns are, sometimes, seemingly more relatable than they should be. He discusses this in the video linked here.

Scott proposes that "history" does NOT repeat itself. Is our perception that it does lend more credence to prejudice tendencies, in our minds, than it should? Are we looking at environmental factors playing a much larger role in the formation of our perceptions of ourselves, and more importantly, each other, than they should?

I am willing to accept Q's challenge. Are you?

>>1168909

Now this is what I call a surprisingly quiet thread.

>>1168909

Just a quick note…you're not forgetting about the abomination of desolation are you? It seems as though you are saying that when they rebuild the temple Jesus will return ( for christians the confirmation and to the jews the proof? …This is exactly why people are going to be fooled by the antichrist…when they build that tower the antichrist is going to proclaim he is God and the Jews WILL believe he is the messiah since they believe he hasn't come yet BUT that will be the Antichrist not Jesus coming back…this is serious doctrinal error and I think you can see why.It isn't as much about pre, post or mid tribulation as it is about the prophecy of the antichrist and how you seemed to have misinterpreted it or maybe I have completely missed your view.

>>1172843

I jacked this one up. Can we delete?

>>1172615

Glad you brought this up. The progression of events in Revelation indicate what you are saying is correct. What if what Q is doing sets the stage for that? I'm not saying it's not a good thing, but keeping your focus on the Lord is more important than any one person; or group of people, for that matter. If you are a believer in the Word, then Q's success would usher in the series of events that bring us into the tribulation, but also closer to the Lord's return.

If you are agnostic, or don't put any stock into the events in Revelation, then Q's actions are taking us out of the bondage world "masters" working behind the scenes to control everyone through international banks, and prey upon people with cults. Still, good things.

>>1172843

OK, but what about that fact that there is/was, indeed, a plan to wipe out entire cultures in order to establish a hierarchy of people to be ruled over? Q has insisted on that the entire world will be freed from oppression when it's all said and done, but what about the execution of the Kalergi plan as it stands? Are European countries suddenly going to kick out millions of migrants that are currently setup and living in Europe?

Regardless of your view of whether the article is written with racist undertones, the historical fact is this exists, and in our view of current events, we can see it unfolding into a reality. How can Europe maintain its identity if they are irrevocably forced into a multicultural/pluralistic society now? I have a hard time finding an answer in modern civilization or examples from history that didn't end in complete and utter failure.

>>1173329

That added so much to the conversation. Why don't you duck off back to your Share Blue watering hole.

>>1173248

>>1173248

Frankly, the Kalergi is the act of the Tower of Babel where they wanted to go to the heavens. There is no joy in a monolithic society and God created us with free will and has anointed Donald Trump to restore the vision.

Ethnic diversity is bad for society: https:// onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x

Civic nationalism is a joke. Magic dirt? Fuck right off.

Nations are formed for a common people to live together. When in history have different peoples ever lived together in peace?

Look at Africa - which part of that do you want in your country? What benefits is it to you?

They can't. Divest from dopey man's overtones and bring in an ethical and morale leader like Donald Trump who does base things on race but on security. And Germany has no security for the German citizens. This is where the German people start Now or they will perish. Base it on race, you will face a vicious civil war. Trump has been navigating this quite well. How many legal immigrants despise what is going on in Europe and their voices are not being heard. The Great Awakening is happening here and I am in fear for there because I have a daughter there. So I do talk lightly about these things. You can not use hate speech when implementing a solution our accept others who do. Doesn't work. That is why it is working in America.

Holy shit, Nancy Pelosi just said'

" I say to my colleagues, some people, you Pray in Church on Sunday, then you Prey on people the rest of the week."

Fox news

>>1174009

Doesn't mean no one. And it is a lot different than a world plot to subjugate a world under the authority of a few. This is where people lose sight of Good vs Evil. The plot was evil to make us hate each. Obviously you are keeping the hate. As far as benefits, I don't know, but we sure can benefit them and advance their civilization rather than be slaves and puppets and food to sick satanists.

>>1174128

doesn't base

>>1174173

>As far as benefits, I don't know, but we sure can benefit them and advance their civilization rather than be slaves and puppets and food to sick satanists.

How much aid has the West spent on Africa in the past, say 50 years? What good has it done?

The mean IQ of Africa is 70. A score of 70 IQ in the West is mentally retarded. The mentally retarded have limited capability. Could the mentally retarded be capable of running a society on their own?

Ignore your sensibilities and ask some tough questions. Did you see the peer-reviewed article I posted? Here's an edited white paper abstract from the National Bureau of Economic research:

>Exploiting variations across national populations, it demonstrates that genetic diversity, as determined predominantly during the exodus of humans from Africa tens of thousands of years ago, has contributed significantly to the frequency, incidence, and onset of both overall and ethnic civil conflict over the last half-century, accounting for a large set of geographical and institutional correlates of conflict, as well as measures of economic development.

>Furthermore, the analysis establishes the significant contribution of genetic diversity to the intensity of social unrest and to the incidence of intragroup factional conflict.

http:// www.nber.org/papers/w21079

ETHNIC DIVERSITY IS BAD FOR SOCIETY

The blacks have to go back to Africa, the Mexicans have to go back to Mexico, the Asians have to go back to Asia.

Nations are for a COMMON people to live together. Civic nationalism will fail.

>>1174173

>>1174009

I agree that hate is most definitely not the answer, and working together for the common cause of defeating evil is worthy and noble. What do we do after that, though? What instances in history are there of successful multicultural societies that lasted beyond their need of eliminating a common foe?

>>1174503

>Civic nationalism will fail.

It can last for a time, though. Don't you think? Again, we're all here because we believe in the mission of Q. We're trusting the plan. If that plan involves Civic Nationalism (whether it's a means to an end, or the end goal itself), then we have to execute on plan.

The only alternative I could see for countries like the US, Canada, and now Germany, UK, and Sweden is Balkanization. Who wants to live like that? Unless there's some incentive for folks to return to their home nations. Even then, the US would still have to arbitrate its own outcome because many in the US, that are culturally different, were born in the US.

Let's say Q's plan comes to fruition. The massive groups of migrants that fled the ME and Africa can now return to peace, safety, and prosperity in their home lands. Are European countries going to force them back? We all know that, for the most part, they aren't going to want to leave.

I just don't think our problems are going to end with the cabal. The world has been irrevocably changed by the previous 8/16/32 years of an utter lack of leadership in the US (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr.). The impact has been vast.

Where do we go from there?

>>1174731

The United States is a Republic based on law and not democracy. We are not here to solve the worlds problems and they all cannot come here to live. Are Constitution allows for immigration and we need to base it upon the needs of our nation and the willingness of those people to love Her. If you think I am a retardfag, not. This whole this is an organized crime activity happening around the world and it needs to be dealt with accordingly. I am not going to get into any stupid ass philosophical arguments or BS distractions. People need to grow the fuck up and don't think they can move around from their dump to make another dump somewhere else or bring their primitive and immoral thinking here. Fuck no. Get a grip!

>>1175385

I agree with your sentiments, especially regarding immigration, but I think you might have missed the point of the thread. I intentionally made this thread here to keep from distracting from Q Research, but the point of it is to discuss something Q brought up recently with his post regarding unity.

Is Civic Nationalism a sustainable type of society?

I stopped following Qposts because it's become apparent that Q is a civnat. Civnats don't understand basic human psychology and as such can't be trusted to run a government. If he can "fix" blacks and Jews then I'll change my mind but I'm not holding my breath.

>>1178862

Haha, same mate. They can shove that up their arse. And qanon questioned Putin, and whoever does that I hold in deep suspicion.

>>1178862

I second that. A nation is not a proposition. A nation is blood and soil - the sum of a people who share ancestry and are well-aware of their forebears' bloodlines. That is the kind of country people will fight to the bitter end for. Q can't fix them.. only things like evolution, natural and sexual selection can but that takes thousands and thousands of years.

>>1173248

Ok so that is how you see it as well ( in terms of timeline of end times ect) Also I re read my post and it unintentionally sounded a bit snarky and for that I appologize and appreciate you not throwing it back to me , maybe I was on the boards too long and forgot to just be normal :) but for whatever reason I am sorry.

Man, this topic is something that my wife and I talk about all the time. Believing whole heartedly in the Word I sometimes find it hard ( well hard isn't the right word ) but strange when it comes to things like Q or anything that attempts to change the "overall," narrative of the world , because in a way we know how the book ends and have always known. Now since we agree on timeline I guess you were correct in saying that it comes down to being Pre, Post or mid Tribulation as that could sway how you feel about bringing this time about. I personally believe I am mid and I say believe because I've always know it as post trib pre-wrath which I think is the same thing. 3.5 years of TRIB…Rapture..3.5 yrs of wrath.

The subject is mind blowing in all of its possibilities. My take on it is this. No matter what , even though the coming of our lord is like the greatest thing we could witness in our life, we are always supposed to fight to stay on this earth and save souls and do the lords work here while still keeping that blessed hope alive in our mine so I feel like we do what the Lord speaks to us to do at the time and do it for the betterment of the word without bearing on what it may bring or what it may not bring….we know at the end what really happens anyway..what we do not know is when and what it will look like on the way ( we know some signs but not a longer timeline of events I guess)

Also what if all this work we are doing ( Q ect ) brings about a change in our world and the lord spares us for longer than we expected and the "stage," is halted for the beast system? lol now I am a bit skeptical against that because the signs seem to be pointing to the former and have been for awhile. At the end of the day though the Lord is the Lord and he can change actions and delay whatever he wants but I just don't see the change in peoples Love towards Jesus yet to think that God will spare his judgment. Sure we are sticking up for freedom on this earth and that is a worthy fight but the largest paradigm shift and the movement's focus has been more centered on those types of worldly things as opposed to repentance towards the lord. ( I hope that makes since ) This is why I continue to write on the boards just a little bit saying hey , if you guys/gals believe Q on almost all of these things then you may want to look at his MAIN point, which is that it is a battle of GOOD AND EVIL, and not just common vernacular of those descriptors but the Biblical meaning. So if you follow the logic than those who are not believers in Christ should at the very least entertain the idea of asking Jesus to be your lord and savior as this is the biggest TRUTH that Q is really pushing in my opinion.

I guess I feel that either way we fight for what God tells us to no matter what end that brings and it could mean we spare his judgment if only for a short time. Even though I know I am supposed to have no fear of the Trib. I do. I know I will be with the lord at the end but the Trib is scary I don't care what anyone says :) Esp. since I believe the Bible supports a mid trib. scenario.

This is such a great topic and I'm so glad you raised it. I hope I am making sense on it as there is so much to touch on.

>>1179808

No apologies necessary.

Not to take the conversation too far into the religious, it is a part of the world politic that I think should be considered. For the believer to reconcile the current trend of events in the Q-sphere, it's a head-scratcher for sure. I can only think that we're either setting up the stage for way into the future (if Q's great awakening happens, there's no limit to the potential in human progress). In my view on this, it's possibly one of two things:

1. The book of Revelations wasn't intended as a world wide reading – (Think Noah's flood wasn't worldwide, but perhaps limited to just the middle east/turkey) but instead is more focused on a very particular portion of the earth (at least the trumpets and bowls of wrath parts). If you look at it this way, that particular portion of the earth have been experiencing Tribulations for a while now. If that's the case, then Q and team are working to bring the end of Tribulation (think millennial reign of Christ). This is hard to reconcile with the beast, mark, etc. It can be done, but it's hard.

2. Scary to think, but perhaps we're helping Q machinate Revelations (to happen some time after all their work is done), and the Tribulation will really start after that.

For the agnostic, I would imagine we're looking, finally, at the fall of the cabal and true human progress to follow; then history takes us to the next stage. That is, as long as people can come to terms with living together in a world that has been irrevocably changed by the past few presidencies.

At any rate, and back on point, my real concern is over the viability/volatility of Civic Nationalism. Can it work? Has it ever worked? If so, what made it fail in the past?

>>1179808

>>1181860

I guess what I'm hoping for is for Q, or someone with Q's views, to come share some ideas on this. If a "Treatise on Civic Nationalism" can be birthed by discourse, I'd be interested in being a part of that conversation. It's going to take a great deal more than a PSA instructing everyone to practice "Peace, Love and Happiness".

>>1181860

Yeah…..Well damn….I can't help but take it down the religious…I guess one must ask this question as well, as unpopular as it may be on the boards. Is Q a false prophet ? I am having this weird experience right now ha

In terms of the civic nationalism question? Dang man I have not thought about this enough…I mean I haven't really thought this movement to its full end. NO I don't think civic nationalism can work. It seems like the cultural problems we are having is a purge of that attempt in away being downstream of the politics that represent the divisions we are having in society ..Dude you really have made me think … spitballing out loud but how does this end without violence….?? I need to go for a walk

>>1182353

It doesn't have to be violent, I think. Amicable solutions can be reached. However, if we just allowed people to "follow their instincts", there's going to be a (long term) self-inflicted balkanization unless a better plan is put forth.

Look at South Africa. Look at Brazil. Talk to people from these countries and listen to what they say about how it got to where it is in their countries.

>>1182469

Categorically untrue. As someone who grew up as a minority in a largely black area, I can assure you that even in childhood, people pick out your differences and rip you apart for it. Not all, but the majority. We are all different. That's OK, too; nothing wrong with that. It's the refusal to acknowledge and work with those differences that perpetuate the problems that lead to conflict. Even if you try your damnedest to let your children grow up and form their own opinions, they will come to you one day and ask questions like:

1. Why does "so and so" do and act like this while others don't?

2. Why does "so and so" always have issues with this person or that person?

I have my own viewpoints on things based on personal experience, and extensive reading of history. The Bible itself contains a plethora of examples of segregative (instructional?) material. However, I can assure you that I've remained entirely neutral in my conversations with my young ones regarding the questions they ask from time to time regarding this specifically. I want them to form their own opinions and relationships.

However, go to the school yard during recess. Visit your kids during lunch break. Now go to a middle/high school. Visit a college campus and glance in the classrooms. What do you notice? Why? Do you honestly think everyone is getting a daily rant from their parents about those "evil white people" or "ignorant blacks" or "soulless asians"?

Maybe less than 1% are. The rest of them?

>>1168909

Nah, kikes need to be exterminated and the Judeo-nigger hell hole known as America needs to be abolished.

>>1178862

Q is pretty obviously some standard Breitbart cuckservative zionist psyop. All the talking points are exactly the same.

Dems r the real racists

Merkel is the real Nazi

Nazis are the real communists

Iran is the real jihadist

etc.

It's 100% bullshit. A psyop aimed at lower IQ cuckservatives and evangelical christfags to convince them to keepthem passively voting republican forever.

old world countries = ethnostates with low immigration/tourism

new world countries = civic nationalism

otherwise where do the indigenous people go?

but it needs to be civic nationalism with STANDARDS

this is why singapore works

>>1183683

>where do the indigenous people go

Countries like the US, accepting any immigration at all (but in the past was filtered by bringing in harder working or brighter people), are part of the problem. Brain drain from the countries that need that sort of resource the most is their greatest detriment. You could say that the US accepting immigrant (to an extent) is most harmful to the underdeveloped nations of the world.

Singapore is an interesting example to bring up. One would argue that it "works" because they are very strict in not only creating laws, but truly enforcing them. Another would be their demographics are mostly (73% or higher) Chinese. The only significantly different demographic (yes, I'm generalizing here) living there would be Indian. Here's the real kicker:

33.2% Buddhism

18.8% Christianity

18.5% No religion

14.0% Islam

10.0% Taoism and folk religion

5.0% Hinduism

0.6% Others

Buddhism could be akin to secular nationalism, and more than a third of the country ascribes/adheres to that way of thinking. Where Islam normally starts taking a real grip on a nation is at the 10% marker, yet, Singapore doesn't seem as heavily affected as it probably should.

Now, this could be conjecture (probably is), but does Singapore have some sort of system of laws that limit people from holding public office, or counter-subversion regulations in place to keep their country from being overrun by an invasion of ideology?

What's the common thread among the majority of them that keeps them from erupting into chaos? Look at that list of religions. There are as many people that are irreligious as there are Christian. There are significantly more that are Buddhist (a group of folks that generally get along well with anyone) than anything else. But more revealing yet is the staggering number of Islamists, yet when you think Singapore, you don't think "Big Black Cube of American Hating Jihad". Perhaps it's happening and we don't realize it, or perhaps that brand of Islam they practice is far more tame than we know.

>>1183683

>otherwise where do the indigenous people go?

In the ground.

>this is why singapore works

Singapore doesn't work. It's a hell hole.

>>1183985

All Singapore ethnicities are high performing. They aren't subhuman niggers, spics, and Arabs.

But the country is still a capitalist shit hole with zero culture.

>>1183985

do you even know what 'indigenous' means? native americans aren't immigrants

as for brain drain

it's not like the smartest people in vietnam are going to be able to fix vietnam unless they go into politics which they can't do because there's no such thing as free elections, or that they'll learn the values of liberty in vietnam

it would be better for them to live in the west and the west can benefit from their brains

there is nothing wrong with cherrypicking brains if they'll be wasted in their home country

how many jihadis do we see from indonesia or bangladesh? not as many as from the middle east

indonesia is the largest muslim country, but strangely there's not many indonesian terrorists, it is perhaps the civilizing effect of neighbouring hindu and buddhist cultures

the STANDARDS necessary for a multicultural society to thrive is an IQ test and a blank criminal record

>>1186369

>in the ground

you first

>>1186415

>zero culture.

singapore is barely 200 years old and only a tiny island

come back in 500 years

>>1187388

>come back in 500 years

It would still be shit because it is a state built around commerce, not a coherent nation. That is always the result of civic nationalism. It's why America is a shit hole too.

>>1187500

america has its own unique culture, its own unique foods and various subcultures, and only developed in the past 400-500 years

and they have exported that culture to the world, quite successfully

whats a 'coherent nation' to you?

>>1187388

There won't be a Singapore in 500 years, their TFR is dogshit, its a high-iq blender.

>>1187962

the problem for singapore is land

that constricts everything

>>1188072

and by that I mean, if singapore was founded on more room, they'd be fine

it has nothing to do with civic nationalism

but with economics

>>1168909

Where did Q use the specific phrase "civic nationalism?"

>>1188099

You are clueless. Why would they be fine if they had more land? Their TFR is fucked. The TFR of the West and it's descendants is fucked. Land has nothing to do with it.

>>1188192

Implicit in the retarded phrase "Patriots have no skin colour".

>>1188256

do you know how much an apartment or rent costs in singapore? they have no room

that's why they can't have babies

land has everything to do with economic/living capacity

you utter fucking moron

>>1188396

I imagine you're eighteen years old. You are not as intelligent as you think you are. Look up TFR. Look up the TFR of the West and it's colonies. Stop being a fucking retard.

>>1187824

>america has its own unique culture,

No, it doesn't.

>and they have exported that culture to the world, quite successfully

No, America has only destroyed culture and replaced it with consumerism.

OP, thank you for starting this conversation. I, too, am struggling with the conflict between Q's call for unity and years spent on /pol/ learning otherwise.

Q has always approached this as a matter of national security. Obviously the job of the Commander-in-Chief and the military is to protect all Americans. /pol/ may have been the venue they chose, but it's unrealistic to expect that they will ever support the more extreme elements of it.

I will assist the Q team in whatever way I can because I've had enough dreams, synchronicities, and spiritual experiences related to this operation to know that I must participate in this. But what happens after that when it's all over…I don't know. I truly don't. I simply can't forget years of /pol/ discussions on these topics, but then how much of that will even be relevant anymore by the time the Great Awakening is over? I don't know, so now I'm just taking it one day at a time.

>>1187388

>do you even know what 'indigenous' means?

I presumed you were using the word incorrectly; I apologize. If you are talking about Native Americans, then I'm afraid you have a moot point (to an extent). They have their lands that are federally protected. For a lack of a better explanation, Native Americans could live in their "bubbles" from here until the end of time and never be affected by rampant immigration into the remainder of the US. Well, that is, until the welfare funds run out.

>>1188192

Let's just say it's the current theme. UNITY. Why do you think everyone is shunning the race baiters with vigilance? Previously, that sort of talk was brushed under the rug. Now, any distinctness in creed/color is being tossed aside in the message of unity (for good reason). The question is, is Civic Nationalism sustainable, or should it be considered a means to an end?

>>1188997

Exactly. Glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with this.

>>1188997

>the Great Awakening

There is no great awakening. You and the rest of this board proves it. Q proves that the dissident right is easily steered back into patriotardism and basic bitch kikebart-tier zionist cuckservativism.

It just proves that the only solution is to destroy America. Real white nationalists will need to work together across the globe to make sure that the American empire is brought down. We need all Europeans to work towards accomplishing that goal.

>>1188284

Thank you.

"Civic nationalism" implies a required (politicized) unity, rather than unity fostered by the individual.

(((They))) are adapting the narrative - As people wake to the truth, "globalism" and "civil society" no longer work, so (((they're))) switching to "decentralized" and "civic nationalism," hoping people take the bait. Same goal - different words.

>>1188470

you can put any bunch of people on an island with no resources and they'll have low TFR as they run out of land

low TFR in the west is due to economic pressures

>>1188564

>No, it doesn't.

yes it does you ignorant cretin

>No, America has only destroyed culture and replaced it with consumerism.

internet culture is uniquely an american invention and it's wonderful

>>1189264

You are not as intelligent as you think you are. Look at TFR in Africa. Stop posting and do some reading.

>>1189143

civic nationalism doesn't mean you have to accept unlimited immigration

that's fucking stupid

>>1189243

civic nationalism is just a return to 50s-90s america, where people got along without much issue, that was america's greatest and most prosperous period

it's only in the 2000s til now and pandering to every minority and the lowering of standards that has ruined america

>>1189357

you are not intelligent at all fuckwit

africa has tons of land, tons of resources

it doesn't cost shit to live there, but the standard of living is poor and the natives are dumb

you're comparing apples to oranges

>>1189594

You are clearly a low-iq breitbart-reading trans-faggot.

You've conceded every point and are now contradicting yourself. Just shut the fuck up.

>>1178862

>>1181911

Q never used the phrase "civic nationalism." "Unity," yes. "Skin color," yes. (((Someone))) is being manipulative.

>>1189330

>yes it does you ignorant cretin

False.

>internet culture is uniquely an american invention and it's wonderful

False.

>>1189658

I haven't contradicted myself

you can't follow a logical argument

I will help Q exterminate you

>>1189753

what country do you come from?

>>1189822

USA

>>1189876

you need deporting then

>>1190015

Nah, the best place to destroy America is from within. I'll stay here and do my part. As American power declines, I would accept funding and arms from China or Russia or something and try to balkanize the USA.

Just ask yourself which way would Jesus lean?

Christian civic nationalism is the future of the United States of America.

>>1190822

Yes, a Jew would support civic nationalism. Good call.

Just ask yourself which way would Jesus lean?

Christian civic nationalism is the future of the United States of America. >>1190929

>Yes, a Jew would support civic nationalism. Good call.

Oh brother, how original.

As a true blooded Nordsman, I'll ask you a simple question. Give me one good example of a successful white ethnostate that managed to transcend and unite different white ethnic groups in a single country for more than a century.

In the past two millenia. Yea, good luck with that.

>>1189594

>civic nationalism doesn't mean you have to accept unlimited immigration

I never said that. What I said is that's the current trend, and now we're being told that civic nationalism is what we're being told by Q to embrace in order to accomplish the goal of removing corruption, and taking our nation to the next level. The question is, CAN WE DO IT?

>>1189688

Manipulative? I think you are reading too much into it. If you have a classroom of diverse individuals, and your teacher says "Set aside your differences until you get this figured out" then what your teacher is proposing is you find a common goal that each of your diverse groups wants to achieve (make it a passing grade). How can you do that? Work together cohesively to achieve your goal (set aside your differences).

That is the essence of civic nationalism.

>>1190780

You just summarized my greatest fear.

>>1191149

>As a true blooded Nordsman, I'll ask you a simple question. Give me one good example of a successful white ethnostate that managed to transcend and unite different white ethnic groups in a single country for more than a century.

>In the past two millenia. Yea, good luck with that.

This is what I'm asking in OP. Has it ever been done (a) and (b) if not, then is it something that can be done?

What would it take?

>>1168909

black

chocolate skin

vibrate

open up

inner fire

churning

millenia

memories

of deserts and chains

find the fissure

of opression

the image of tension

and with a smile

wipe off the slime

of oblivion

burst

with the energy of creation

forget the cuts

mockery to guts

clash against cliffs

as you always did

iron breaks

dawn takes

over the mind of the young

revelation of the self

pure honest heart

first man

become the last

enter the door

of the future

of the earth

of the soil

built for skies

the prism

no longer divides

the light

spectra of wisdom

energy is eternal

chocolate delight

>>1191149

>Give me one good example of a successful white ethnostate that managed to transcend and unite different white ethnic groups in a single country for more than a century.

Switzerland. Germany.

>>1191185

>You just summarized my greatest fear

Why? Balkanization is literally the best possible outcome for the USA. The trajectory right now, and the trajectory Q wants through civic nationalism, is to become Brazil north. You will have two classes, Jewish gated communities and violent favelas where your kids will be sold as prostitutes by gang lords who buy off the police. Go watch some live leak videos of south American cartels skinning people alive. That is the shit your grandchildren will have to endure because you pussed out when the left called you racist, and because of listened to psyop bullshit from Q.

What's it's like to have to get on your knees and beg everyone on the Internet to hate the Jews all day? If you feel so strongly about it, enough to make sure there's 6 gorillion happy merchant memes on all the boards to remind everyone that Jews exist and how you don't like them. I mean, you can see how it's all the workings of clown shills, right? If you can't get wise to how you're being manipulated, maybe you deserve to be enslaved.

>>1192685

Yeah, dude, it's not like pointing out the Jews is the ultimate taboo in society or anything. It's not like it's illegal in several countries. In fact, it's what THEY (merkel Hitler) want you to do, which is why they censor it on every platform and ruin anyone's career who mentions it. It's why Josh Bonehill is rotting in prison for posting a Jew meme on twitter. Because the (non-Jewish) people in control want you to discuss it.

>>1192629

Sowell is one of my favorites. He always seems to have something incredibly insightful to say about a wide range of subjects.

>>1192685

It's more complicated than that, but I get what you are saying about messages of hate in general. Being astute about obvious patterns in certain groups is one thing (it's called statistics), but to label everyone with a "-stein" or "-berg" in their name evil is ignorant, and generalizing.

You cannot deny that a subset of that group brought about the Weimar, Bolsheviks, and have a significant amount of control over media, news, banking, entertainment, porn, and other industries. All of that is well documented. It's also notable that while in-group preference is something that isn't allowed in hiring practices, it is apparent that, again, a certain subset of that group, gets away with it.

We have to be careful not to put on blinders while we refuse to hate.

>>1192331

Germany has done it, yes. Switzerland? It's a bit more diverse than you think:

https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland#Demographics

What amazes me is Switzerland's gun rights and seemingly nonexistent crime rates.

>>1168909

I'm pretty sure what will happen is we secure the Black vote, get a super-majority for midterms and get a shitload of work done, making the brand for anything on the left so tainted and swelling support for R's so much that we splinter into multiple centrist and right-of-center political parties. Combine with this "great awakening" to get people more likely to consider new ideas and with an Internet Bill of Rights to ensure our ideas don't get censored, truths about blacks and jews will spread as those groups continue to prove our points for us. And the best part is people will no longer be able to cry about Dem or CIA oppression holding back black people, they'd only have themselves to blame for their failures. We're heading towards a truly merits-based society free of censorship and oppression, we'll invariably win.

>>1193975

>We're heading towards a truly merits-based society free of censorship and oppression, we'll invariably win.

I haven't thought about this. I suppose I've become quite the cynic at my age, but I like this POV. A truly merit based society would self-cleanse. I'd like to think that this idea isn't overly "glass half full".

>>1193591

>It's a bit more diverse than you think

No, it isn't. It's exactly as diverse as I think.

>>1193975

>I'm pretty sure what will happen is we secure the Black vote,

You're insane. Blacks are not going to stop voting for gibs just because Kanye wore a maga you you utter tard.

>get a super-majority for midterms

Not happening

>and get a shitload of work done

Even if republicans had a supermajority, they would not get anything done except for what their donors want done (which is not what anyone here wants done). You people are delusional and don't understand anything about politics at all.

>We're heading towards a truly merits-based society free of censorship and oppression

Not at all. Not only do you guys know nothing about politics, you know nothing about economics either. We are heading to brazilification. More wealth inequality, less social mobility. No middle class. You will either be in the wealthy gated community with private security, or you will be in the favela and at the mercy of corrupt police and gangs with very little chance of advancing yourself. This is the logical and inevitable outcome of neoliberalism.

>>1192685

Posts like this are why I think this will have to end in violence. When people tell you "we have a serious problem" and you mock them, sooner or later they are going to assault you physically. The idea that anyone with grievances against (insert racial group here) is a troll/russian bot/shill is cancer. Pro-White lawyers can be disbarred for having pro-White opinions. Jewish nationalists? Oh, no, they are allowed to be as pro-Jewish and Zionist as they want, even while Israel tries to deport black refugees. It's a double standard and sooner or later there will be justice for it. Bloody justice, it looks like. Keep calling /pol/ leftists and watch how divided things get.

>>1168909

It isnt about who is good and who isnt.

A stable, free and united nation must have a single race a single language and a single culture, otherwise it either requires oppressive measures or segregation to create communities that have the requirements or the racial tension will grow and it will tear up a free nation apart.

>>1197314

That is a concern I have, for certain.

>>1196383

ok negatard. I am glad you know what the world is thinking like the rest of the Satanist out there were. They see their food source drying up. Is that what you fear? We the people are taking control jackass and mega donors our getting convicted so shut the fuck up.

https://ninaparadigma.wordpress.com/moon-children-what-are-they/

>>1198291

>and mega donors our getting convicted

This never happened. All the biggest political donors are still there.

The biggest lie of Q is the idea that the problem with America is just some small "cabal," and if that is removed then america will be great again. It's a lie because the problems with America are systemic. The evil cabal is the entire American establishment, from top to bottom.

>>1200276

See, this is a classic psyop maneuver. Promoting new age bullshit. Because it puts you in a hypnosis-like trance, making you more susceptible to suggestion.

The fact that Q is pushing this stuff (along with the other military intelligence niggers here) confirms fully that it is a psyop.

>>1200276

I'm not sure you can maintain that position given all the revelations of Q and parallel discovery by anons from 4chan and 8chan. There's all sorts of shills here. Take what you need for self validation, and ignore the rest.

>>1199609

What you fail to grasp is the point of Q is to remove enough corruption around the world for people to be able to actually do something about the rest of the corruption, and to reveal just enough of it to get people pissed off enough to actually do something.

>>1200276

Truth.

>>1200886

What is New Age about Old Knowledge?

>>1207168

You still do not understand what I am saying. There is no corruption. The system is functioning as it is meant to function. Democratic republics always necessarily function this way. You cannot fix it by removing some certain number of people because the problem is the system itself.

>>1207630

So you're getting caught up on silly semantics and spreading a negative thought process like a certain group of people we know. Just call it corruption guy, the political system is supposed to be for the people, if it ain't doing that it's corrupted as an institution, simple.

Jesus was the first "new age shill" and was murdered by the same system that controls today for speaking the truth.

Ethno nationalism says that our group of people are much superior to another group, therefore it is a birthright to exploit the perceived inferior group.

This goes for a group of people in a country, it works because it reinforces biological goals that we have. Our main biological goal is to first grow, get more fit in mind and body, reproduce and transfer our knowledge and wealth to our younger.

This means that from a biological perspective we put family first. In an environment of multiple ethnicities, it's easy to unite one ethnicity against the other. Because the ethnicity would feel that other ehtnicities are foul, and would dillute their bloodline / offspring, maybe deceive them. So social cohesion decreases with multiple ethnicities.

But back to the families, eventually you will get people who take it as far as being from a richer / higher status family makes him or her superior. That might also be the case if the family with status and power practices ex communication, eugenics and transfers wealth + knowledge to the next generation. Which is kind of what the elites are doing, they take this very seriously.

Elites from royalty in the past took this very seriously as well. The problem with royalty was the problem of succession. Greed would play a huge role in the off spring when it came to succession since the king / emperor had the decision making power. This structure would successfully prevent a royal bloodline from ruling too long. The real elites are in a far better position if not too much in the picture along with having a strong cohesion in the family so that they do not turn on each other to preserve their wealth + knowledge and with that, power.

>>1208766

Rich make the rules, the poor live by them.

>>1208766

Jesus was not murdered, he come here willing to lay down his life to save us. Love for us held him to the cross. He could have come down anytime he wanted.

>>1209851

That's an interesting take on how ethnonationalism can progress. I think, however, for many people that buy into ethnonationalism, it's more complicated inasmuch as their views on how groups of people do not necessarily integrate well, but they can cohabitate with well defined borders. Think neighborhoods with fences. Good fences make good neighbors (I cannot tell you enough how true this is).

I think what you describe could be partly attributed to ethno-centric thinking, and was greatly exemplified in the generations prior to and eventual creation of the UK. Their aspirations for nationalism turned to familial dominance of their own people, and eventually struggles for dominance of the crown.

I'm not sure that's where other examples in history would have lead if they were allowed to progress without outside intervention (2nd/3rd reichs, for example). I mean, look at Japan, for example.

Irrespective of the system of government, they have had a tight grip on ethnocentrism, and this has kept them very tightly knitted in regards to culture and identity. Some would argue that this fact alone is why Japan is still around after getting not ONE but TWO nuclear strikes against them during WWII.

Can we use this Kanye West opportunity to spread the message with love

We need to be heard on black left leaning platforms. Go to their youtube channels, go to their facebook channels and spread a warm welcome to those with open minds.

https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB21MdEoDs4

>>1181860

Revelation, Anon. No "s." Check your Bible.

>>1218369

You are lower than shit

>>1191185

I wasn't referring to you as manipulative. I was referring to (((them.))) Have you heard of Civil Society? It is the same as Soros' Open Society - same UN control agenda. Over the past few months, they've introduced civic nationalism to be interchangeable with CS. The danger in that is people, believing in the type of nationalism you describe, willingly sign onto programs that support one-world governance, digital identity (which will determine what info you can access on the internet,) and property rights (like what's happening in South Africa now where they're taking land.)

http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2018/03/gun_group_says_it_will_sue_school_after_students_a.html

"The policy is clearly wrong and violates the Second Amendment," ANJRPC executive director Scott Bach said. "We hope that they're reasonable people and they will fix it. If they don't, we're prepared to take legal action."

What manner of stupidity is this?

Legal action? Fuck me. That's not what you do. Legal action does nothing. Removal of the idiots. School boards set this policy, throw the bastards out. Recall and replace. Yesterday!

>>1220668

Failure of education,

Failure to demand education,

On both sides,

Leads to Goyim,

Who are dimmed and controllable;

Fighting among themselves,

With {{the true reason why}},

Hidden in front of their faces.

>>1222042

>On both sides,

>you're to blame for niggers being niggers

This is why you faggots that think niggers are anything but subhuman animals deserve to have your children raped to death by them. No amount of anyone's failures could cause me to justify stealing, raping, murdering. But the nigger needs the smallest excuse to do such things because they are subhuman animals. A society will never enter the future, will never achieve greatness, hindered by the insecure dumb violent immoral nigger ape.

>>1219675

>>1219668

Thank you for adding such depth to the conversation. I think we all realize that Brazil, in many parts, is a shit hole. That's beside the point of whether Civ Nat can work when properly implemented. Refer to this post:

>>1210490

We do it already with neighborhoods. People move in, they build fences, or, economically speaking, their exclusivity is predetermined. While I realize this isn't race-based enclaves, they are done by class, and groups of people can cohabitate by class.

Or do you both disagree?

>>1220468

Thank you for the info. I'll need to read up on it to form an opinion. Still, though, what do you think about the Teacher/Classroom analogy?

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>>1220668

I'm very well aware of the MAOA "warrior" gene, and it's prevalence. I'm extremely aware of overrepresentation of certain ethnicities in crime rates. I have first hand experience in growing up in section 8 and the troubles therein.

The point of this thread is "If we remove the environment that breeds this mentality, can these people most affected rise above it and overcome the stereotypes?" If that can happen, where does it leave us as a society, moving forward?

>>1188284

23andMe knows the dirty secret of your mudblood. You're out too.

>>1224788

>"warrior" gene

The nigger ape does not have the warrior gene, the principled white does. The nigger is simply violent and immoral. There is a difference. If you want to deny that, show me a nigger "warrior" that sacrifices himself for something greater. It never happens, it's always the nigger sacrificing someone else in typical criminal fashion.

>>1224847

If you don't know what the MAOA allele is, perhaps you should pick up a few books or science journals.

>>1224788

>we remove the environment that breeds this mentality

You don't understand the nigger beast. The "environment" you speak of is within them. Could you put another race in a bad environment and create a monster, possibly. But you put a nigger in a perfectly civilized country like the USA used to be, and they bring their subhuman violent nature with them, ready to use any excuse, and call you racist while they do it.

>>1225028

Have fun wasting your life and potential trying to fix a beast, and daring fate by keeping a subhuman beast in a once civilized society, rather than colonizing space and entering the future as ladies and gentlemen. You are the slave of a culture plagued with niggers. The niggers are shackles which will prevent you from reaching your potential faggot, enjoy it.

>>1224788

The only way civic nationalism can sort of work is with segregation and explicit white supremacy. You would need two tiers of citizenship, with non-whites being de jure second class citizens. And this would need to be an unalterable law, with legal consequences for anyone agitating against it (meaning an effective end to free speech).

>>1225300

Hence the sabatoge of the nigger into a moral, mature, and free culture.

>>1224788

Your classroom/teacher analogy was on point, and I agree. We have to work together, put aside minor differences to defeat them. When we do that, we'll see that the differences weren't as great as we initially thought. Many were intentionally created to divide us, and some are due to disagreements about resource allocation bc the corruption has decreased the resources available to all of us. (((They))) are extremely well-organized, -networked, and -funded. I hate what they're doing but can't help being impressed by it ….and their patience.

I love hearing, "I have to check it out before forming an opinion." As tiresome as it is, we have to everything - Heck, by the time I check who funds the publication, the people/groups mentioned, and cross-reference them all, it can easily take a few hours to form an opinion about ONE article. But we MUST do this to avoid the traps.

>>1229183

Thank you. First meaningful post in a while. It's always nice to get some validation. I think that's where I was going with the analogy. We might find that when the environment that creates the problem disappears, that we're not all that much different from each other. Then again, if it were to remain that we are, having certain (((groups))) removed from the sphere of influence/control can help us all to think and act more clearly towards each other to find solutions to the real issues we have.

>>1178862

If Q is trying to force a civnat POV on his followers for now because greater numbers and solidarity is a prerequisite for taking on The Jew, then okay. We can pretend to play nice for a while. This makes me nervous and skeptical, though. It could so easily make things worse.

But if Q never addresses Jews, he is not on our side. Period. If we do not expose the deceitful nature of Jews so that all people can better decipher their true intentions, we will fall into a horrible and corrupt cycle all over again. They are a toxic and destructive force for evil. They are at the root of all this. If you don't pull out a weed's roots, it grows back easily.

If Q does not address Jews or Israel very strongly at some point, chances are we are being led down the wrong path.

>>1234935

It will be addressed when addressed. The repleted use of Jew in your message is creepy. Q already explained it.

>>1235224

>creepy

Fuck off jidf

>>1229183

Race is not a minor difference. Your grandchildren will have to live under high threat of being raped and murdered by shitskins because you were a coward. You are lower than dog shit and you should honestly eat a bullet.

>>1168909

Cuckservatism - the post.

>>1234935

Why would (((Q))) "address" Jews or Israel?

>>1235942

Welcome new Anon. Unfortunately, there are those on here who are fixated on "race baiting" and "ethnic hatred" which takes away from the purpose of FREEING the WORLD and attempts to project us as "bigots" trying to cause WWIII. DON'T respond to them. Let them spout their hatred showing their ignorance. They are not following Q; just their own sick agenda. I repeat - they are NOT real Qanons - no matter how LONG they have been on here. Hope this clears things up!

>>1236255

You're the new one here, dumb-ass.

>>1236255

>Unfortunately, there are those on here who are fixated on "race baiting" and "ethnic hatred" which takes away from the purpose of FREEING the WORLD and attempts to project us as "bigots"

Hmm, where have I heard this rhetoric before? Oh yeah, it was Trotsky and the comintern. Fuck off with your bolshevik one world ideology, commie fuck.

>>1261604

Sorry for the broken link:

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/612849.html#613229

>>1261604

Yes, we need to join together with spics, nogs, and other various subhumans so that we can DIE FOR ISRAEL GOYIM!

You people are fucking retarded. The stupidity of the American conservative knows no bounds, it seems.

>>1264346

And the guy who wrote this, Jacques Attali, is a top French globalist who stated on TV five years ago that Macron would be president.

>>1263940

You need to pay attention to what's REALLY going on...

>>1264338

>>1264378

I already know what is going on and do not need to read your disinfo

>>1264378

What you fail to understand in your post is that America is the bad guy. America has always been the bad guy. It is not a "cabal," it is America itself. The American ethos is the enemy.

>>1208766

>Jesus was a new age shill

That is (((modernist))) disinfo. Jesus was a dissident, a shit-stirrer, the equivalent of a shit-lord in his time.

"I came not to bring peace but a sword."

The Roman province of Judea were under the control of the same ppl controlling us today: pharisees = bureaucrats, saducees = courts,

and money-changer = bankers.

Jesus cleared the money-changers out with a bullwhip, and repeatedly called the pharisees/saducees liars and murders and fakes.

His apostles then went on to preach the same message, to hold together based on family/tribe and beware the infiltrators "Who say they are Judeans but are of the Synagogue of Satan."

That same spirit of righteous rebellion is in this movement. You don't have to call it God or Jesus tho. Truth is truth, whatever you call it. I'm not shilling for religion, per se.

(((Modernists))) purposely turned the common sense Christian values that used to protect us from degeneracy, into a mealy-mouthed passive cuckery. Devastating for us. Smart on the part of the enemy tho. Very effective.

Relative to this thread, ethno- vs. civic-nationalism, it matters. Western Civilization was once called Christendom. We had shared history and values. Not every individual invested in the mystical/faith aspect of Christian culture, didn't have to. That's considered private. But it defined our common culture.

The reason civic nationalism is a dodgy proposition is it doesn't bring enough binder to counter the push-pull of disparate peoples.

That said, there are short term goals and long term. Civic nationalism is expedient for our goal of unseating the cabal. That cabal has suppressed the natural self-sorting that otherwise happens. Once it removes, birds of similar feathers will again self-segregate. Not necessarily with hard-fast lines, just general trends.

Neighbors can still visit, gather for potlucks, maybe even merge houses in marriage. But it's still true that good fences make the best neighbors.

Sadly, (((Q))) has proved to be a multiculturalist and thus a globalist.

The reddit /greatawakeing/ board has become a joke. No "antisemitism" allowed? The swamp *is* the jewish power structure. How can the swamp be defeated if it can't even be criticized.

>>1304035

Q is a psyop, so what do you expect? The entire foundational premises of Q are blatantly false. That America is good, that "patriots" within the American government are good, that the military is good. All of these are false. America is the enemy, and the only "patriots" I would care about are those true patriots who are seeking to destroy it.

>>1189594

>civic nationalism is just a return to 50s-90s

This completely ignores the fact that the harmony in America during this time was due to the overwhelming whiteness of America. The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 changed immigration policy from a whites-only to a civ-nat policy. Racial politics will always exist whether you want them to or not. Not only that, but race will always be the dominant politics in a multiracial society, and wishing it away by smoking the civ nat pipe is a fruitless endeavor. Robert Putnam Bowling Alone.

Civic nationalism takes half of the truth and attempts to sweep it under the rug. It is a temporary solution and it will fail in the long run.

>>1323294

Trump will almost certainly lose in 2020, unless the election is rigged. He has lost a lot of voters and will not be gaining any new ones.

>>1323294

>He's called the order and proven the plan repeatedly. Iran is next (currency crisis), followed by Pakistan.

And this is the psyop, retard. Pitching neocon agenda to you morons and spinning it as draining the swamp and fighting the "cabal." You fell for it because you have a low IQ, don't understand history, don't understand current events, and are generally an overall worthless human being.

>>1331403

I understand that the current govt in Iran was created by the C_A, and the current administration is dismantling all their hard work and giving the people of the world their right to self governance back. You should lurk more, hun.

https:// en. wikipedia. org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Iranian_protests

>>1332361

No. The Iranian protests were astroturf from Western NGOs you mongrel subhuman retard.

>>1332361

And no, cia definitely did not created the current govt of Iran.

>>1332443

>mongrel subhuman retard.

Ad Hominem. The classic shill tactic. You guys should really learn to educate with love. And, by the way, yeah. C_A was directly involved in all the issues in the ME, including creating the environment where Islamists would eventually take over control of the countries in the region and maintain instability in the region to create the petrodollar.

>>1332728

>C_A was directly involved in all the issues in the ME, including creating the environment where Islamists would eventually take over control of the countries in the region and maintain instability in the region

Iran is not unstable and the Iranian revolution was not CIA. In fact, most of the reason the CIA wants instability is to pressure Iran. So yes, you're a subhuman retard and don't have any idea what is going on, which is why you so easily fall for obvious psyops like Q

>>1323746

>Civic nationalism takes half of the truth and attempts to sweep it under the rug. It is a temporary solution and it will fail in the long run.

but…but…but..,Kanye.

>>1323294

>Like Q said

Q originally said to question everything. Now Q says question nothing.

>>1333074

That's a bit out of context, but I can see where it'd take a bit more critical thinking to understand the messages being conveyed from one post to the next.

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>>1333686

You are proving my point. Add something meaningful to the discussion, or feel free to go back to Stormfront.

>>1333487

There are no pros and many cons to civic nationalism (which is a contradiction in terms anyway).

>>1334230

this is fun -

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2017/10/09/harvey-weinstein-new-york-campaign-cash/106466250/

"Who got Harvey Weinstein's campaign cash and who gave it away"

Gov. Andrew Cuomo ($118,203)

Ex-Gov. Eliot Spitzer ($90,700)

Ex-Gov. George Pataki ($65,500)

Hillary Clinton ($60,390, which doesn't include money raised at fundraisers hosted by Weinstein)

Sen. Charles Schumer ($14,200)

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand ($11,800)

Attorney General Eric Schneiderman ($5,000)

short article

>>1333487

>had Nat Soc's efforts been channeled at strict non-interventionism instead of conquest, Hitler's Germany would be around today.

And this is false. If they had stuck to non-intervention, they would have remained a powerless rump state and eventually been swallowed by the Soviet Union, as was the plan of American finance for all of Europe.

>>1334421

bo please delete this accident tx

>>1336078

who let rosie o'donnell on here? go home

>>1338061

>skin color

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>>1338199

>hundreds of other physical and mental attributes that go beyond a "skin color"

Doctors will prescribe medicine differently depending on race. So quite obviously, men educated in human biology & physiology understand that race is more than skin color. Q is a moron.

>>1338666

Checked.

Q is preaching pure communism. I have already pointed out that he is using rhetoric straight from Trotsky and the comintern.

>>1342412

>Q is preaching pure communism.

Sure is. Q is using esotericism and occultic practices to mind bend. Don't fall for it people.

>>1342631

bro you are so right. im so with her now. 🤣#douche

>>1342631

It's not even really esoteric. Everyone of all races banding together to overthrow the ruling class is literally the first step of communism.

>>1343372

>Live in a first world country

Except after a decade or two they turn any area they reside into a third world shit hole.

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>>1343864

>Except after a decade or two they turn any area they reside into a third world shit hole.

which you will then be blamed for.

Q says thats mine now

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>>1347929

You're a level 1 troll, you realize that, right? Not a single point made. Not a single one. No debate; just conjecture. Using fear, hate, and attempting to create anxiety over a future you have no control over to sway people to stoop to your level of ignorance doesn't work here.

I invite you to debate. If you don't have a point here, then just leave. There are plenty of places on the chans to echo chamber your self-loathing.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned on this thread since I was reading it the other day, but having come across potentially new information, it felt relevant and worth sharing here:

http://ia802300 .us.archive.org/8/items/rofschildv1/IAmARofschildAxeMeAQuestion.html

–Fair warning though, this thread can be heavy if you aren't willing to face the information head on; however, if even a small part of this person's claims are true, it is incredibly important that you do so!

>>1194460

This + closed borders + requiring birth control to be on the dole might make civic nationalism actually work.

Racism is taught. I can't believe we are still having this discussion. There are racists here and out there that believe this stuff, and will not drop it because it has become their religion. Speaking of religion…where is the guy who will call me a zionist shill now? In 3…2..1.

>>1364604

Well, I started this thread with the intent on having a real discussion on the types of nationalism, and Stormfront showed up. I'm afraid it's deterred folks from coming here. Suck, too, because it's a conversation that NEEDS to be had.

>>1367250

>-tyrrany, and thought criminalization

Isn't that exactly how Hitler maintained control over Germany, though?

And your statement about racism isn't 100% correct. Trotsky didn't invent the word at all. He did, however, learn to politically weaponize it to weaken his opponents positions in debate. It's nothing more than another form of Ad Hominem, and since most people are very simple minded, Ad Hominem attacks work very well (hence the success of shows like John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel, etc.).

So you believe that in order to maintain control over a multicultural society, a state has to be a dictatorship? The Roman Republic worked well until a few greedy ones consolidated power for themselves. The empire rose from that, arguably, in much worse condition than it started. Granted, it lasted for a few hundred years, but it was essentially a dictatorship at that point.

I think the point here, is, is that people will follow someone when the visage of power is maintained. I think that speaks volumes to the mentality of the average person (think Germany, again). That being said, what do we do when the human species elevates itself a bit? What system of governance should we be looking for at that point?

In that sense, I think that race matters less than mentality. If the public consciousness is higher, than a more complex system of government is needed as people will be much less likely to just give rights up to the state in the end.

>>1370212

>Isn't that exactly how Hitler maintained control over Germany, though?

Only by applying those methods to traitors (communists) and non-Germans (Jews). Not to loyal Germans. This is the opposite of how it works in the USA, where tyrannical methods apply only to law abiding whites in favor of criminals and non-whites. The problem is not necessarily criminalization of speech or authoritarian methods. It's the fact that these methods are selectively used against whites to our detriment, and this is necessarily so because whites will never naturally accept being forced to live with criminal parasitic brown people. If it were used against non-whites or social subversives, then there would of course be no problem.

>And your statement about racism isn't 100% correct. Trotsky didn't invent the word at all.

I did not say Trotsky. I said it was invented by communists, which is a fact.

>The Roman Republic

The Roman republic was literally a Roman-supremacist hierarchical society built on subjugation and enslavement of non-Romans. I actually said that this is the only possible way that "civic nationalism" could possibly work here: >>1225300

If America functioned in this way, with non-whites considered subjugated second class citizens or slaves, then it could be maintained for a while. The problem is that we had this in the past and it did not hold, for similar reasons as the Roman republic.

>That being said, what do we do when the human species elevates itself a bit? What system of governance should we be looking for at that point?

A white supremacist state.

>In that sense, I think that race matters less than mentality.

Race creates the parameters of mentality.

>If the public consciousness is higher, than a more complex system of government is needed as people will be much less likely to just give rights up to the state in the end.

People do not have "rights" and do not give them up. Rights are granted by the state and always have been. And there is no "higher consciousness." That isn't how anything works.

>>1395462

>A country that's divided surely will not stand

And, funny enough, this quote is exactly why civic nationalism cannot work

>>1168909

>Would that particular demographic behave in the manners in which they do if the environment for fostering those behaviors didn't exist any longer? Sociology and Psychology says maybe.

That's called Boasian Anthropology and it's been discredited for decades. Environment plays a small role in influencing an individual's development (including the brain and IQ), but the limit of that development is a hard limit determined solely by genetics.

Different races have different average IQs, this has been known for decades and the only reason it's controversial is because of a (((political correctness))) agenda pushed by Marxists who claims that "race does not exist".

>Genetic research says likely.

No, it doesn't. Genetic research says that IQ is heritable, end of story.

Your attempt to debunk the reality of human biodiversity, awareness of which you call racism, is poisonous. You're towing the exact same Marxist line of "environment determines IQ" and "race doesn't exist" in an attempt to foster peace between the different races. This is unhelpful, because it's not based in reality.

>>1460493

Conservatives are the real communists

>>1460493

OK. 251 replies, and I get it; someone that's ready to talk. Thank you for coming, and let's get this conversation started…

By rejecting a peoples' potential, based on crude (simpler heuristic) observance of their group tactics vs outlier performance, we're predicating their overall potential contribution to societal gain to that group's lowest common denominator.

In other words, folks like yourself will take their worse "examples", and (cleverly) use those "examples" of "hooodlum" as a way to (((sway))) public perception of their disadvantaged positions to contradict empathetic rationale of their actions.

For instance:

Donnelle is starving. His sister is starving. His brother, and mother are starving. Donnelle wants to see his family well fed, and rejoicing in relief of pain and suffering, what does Donnelle do? He waits for Punit to leave the store and rob it. What if the store is 24 hours, and there is no other way to feed his family?

This is where capitulation meets capitalization. A young man wants to provide the best way he can for his kin, and himself. Now… Think like a (pimp) more intelligent entrepreneur.

This person can leverage their slight of morals/strong physical prowess to achieve financial gain. There are no better servants than those that are willing to provide for their family.

Ask Dave Chappelle. This video will give you the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju06BmWQUX0

P.S.

If you are KKK, you REALLY need to pay attention…

>>1476954

>Ask Dave Chappelle.

LOL