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5080f5 (1)  No.325764[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Are there any other western entertainment franchises that even come close to MLP in terms of waifufaggotry? I was trying to think of any, but I realized that there are so few franchises that have the right formula for developing it (large number of sexualizable girls with a significant male fanbase, either in terms of zealotry or size). Overwatch is the only other significant one I could think of, and even it doesn't come close to MLP.

Western animation has historically been a poor breeding ground for waifuism. Most animation has historically been "for kids", meaning that it is typically made in a very innocuous, non-sexual way. This thinking also prevents large adult fanbases from developing, due to the historical social stigma of being into cartoons as an adult. You'll always have dedicated autists who waifu characters from children's cartoons, of course, but the west doesn't have the equivalent of Japanese animation companies that deliberately make shows with sexual themes done in an erotic way.

Western video games have been in the same boat for a long time. I mentioned Overwatch just because it's the only game I can think of that has managed to break out of the "for kids" prison. The increasing mainstream-ization of video games over the past decade has allowed games to develop sizable adult fanbases that they wouldn't have been able to do earlier. This, coupled with Overwatch's inclusion of sexualizable characters, allowed it to develop a prevalent, if not fervent, amount of waifufaggotry.

The only other example I can think of is comic books. Comic book girls have a history of being borderline-erotic, even though comic books have also been "for kids". The biggest impediment to comic book waifus is that comics are almost too "big" to really get attached to. Even if you want to narrow it down to one character in one comic from one publisher, you're still talking about years or even decades of content focusing on them. This sort of thing makes it hard for people to get into western comics in general, let alone for waifu purposes. It is easier when franchises are clearly-defined and easily-digestible.

MLP itself has been lightning in a bottle as far as waifus have been concerned. The show managed to attract a fervently devoted fanbase, due to being a great (at least at one point) show in its own right. It had a sizable cast of cute girls with unique characters, making it easy for autists to fawn over them and get into "best girl" wars. Finally, the fandom had the help of a dedicated community of artists and writers to help bridge the gap between the cutesy, G-rated show and the brazen sexuality the fandom eventually became infamous for. I can't imagine we'll see another instance of this situation happening with any other franchise anytime soon.

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548f65 (1)  No.325779

Dude just watch some animu moreshit geez

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84cc4d (2)  No.325780>>325847

Waifuism requires a very specific combination of characteristics that Japan has down to a science, but the West has yet to really tap into as a market. Here are the elements present in MLP that I think a show needs to have in order to develop a strong waifuist following:

A predominantly female cast, with few to no significant male characters, is typically an element. The female characters usually have personalities that are distinct from each other rather than complimentary. The character personalities represent very general "types", which appeal to different men. This means that regardless of the type of girl a guy prefers, he can usually find at least one character in the show that appeals to him. With anime this is generally done on purpose to appeal to men, but with MLP I think the intent was to have each character represent a different general female personality that the young female audience could relate to based on their own personality. You have the glamorous girly-girl (Rarity), the shy, quiet, easily flustered girl (Fluttershy), the bookish smart girl (Twilight), the athletic tomboy (Dash), the bouncy, ditzy, funny girl (Ponk), and the hard-working serious girl (Applejack). If you go through Japanese dating sims or moe anime, you'll usually see some variation of most of these archetypes present in the characters.

The art style is also a significant factor. Neoteny figures heavily into the equation, because a waifu is not just a character you're sexually attracted to, but a character you form an emotional, protective bond with on some level. Studies have been done that show that females with more juvenile facial features (large eyes, large head, small mouth) trigger a protective paternal instinct in males. Female cartoon characters that exaggerate these features tend to have a similar effect. While Japan tends to design the majority of their characters this way, in the West it's a lot less common. Western female comic book characters, for instance, are usually drawn to look fairly true to life, with facial features and body proportions typical to a normal adult. While these characters are often drawn to be very sexually appealing, their designs don't trigger the same paternal/older brother protective instinct that is key to the waifu bond. You may want to fuck Poison Ivy, but she's not really a waifu.

The third and final element is that the story and setting of the series usually places the characters into generally safe, typical everyday situations. Moe anime series usually depict female characters going about their everyday school life, with very little happening in the way of action. Stories usually focus on the characters interactions with each other, their friendships, dealing with fairly minor, trivial problems, and generally just behaving like unrealistically cute girls. The male viewer is drawn into the purity and innocence of their world, and enjoys living vicariously in that world alongside them. He laughs when they laugh, cries when they cry; his happiness is their happiness, their sorrows are his sorrows.

With MLP, I think that all of this came together quite unintentionally. As I said I think the personalities of the characters were designed to appeal to young girls rather than adult men, the setting was just meant to be a cute, harmless pony world that children would like, and the stories were just meant to mimic situations that school-aged children could find themselves in. But, the designs of the characters were clearly influenced by anime styles, which immediately catches the eye of men who are drawn to that style. The charming, innocent stories and cute personalities of the characters combine with the protective/sexual instinct that the designs trigger, and suddenly *boom*, you've got a horse waifu.

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d00a6a (1)  No.325847>>325859 >>325860

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>>325780

10/10 post. I think the only aspect that you're missing (and something OP touched on) is the fact that it was and still sometimes is a genuinely enjoyable show for adults to watch. Plenty of other Western girls' cartoons have the elements you mentioned, but the reason that Strawberry Shortcake Waifuism is not rampant is because that shit is not interesting or fun for an adult to watch. From the beginning, Faust was very mindful of the adults who would be watching with their kids and did her best to make the show enjoyable for them as well.

Again, this is another aspect of Japanese Moe that MLP unintentionally replicated. While anime is made with an adult audience in mind, MLP succeeded in appealing to all audiences, adults included, and thus achieved similar results.

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6b2d46 (1)  No.325859>>325862

>>325847

This is what the animation industry needs to learn.

Make an adult show that is safe to show to children.

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84cc4d (2)  No.325860>>325862 >>325866

>>325847

That's more or less how I finally got pulled into the pony thing. I was on 4/pol/ during the April Fools stuff in 2017, and some brony talked me into giving the show a chance. After watching a couple of episodes I realized that not only did it have the same appeal as moe anime, it was actually better written than a lot of shows that I was already a fan of.

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974e98 (1)  No.325862>>325867

>>325859

>Make an adult show that is safe to show to children

I think you've got that backwards. Make a children's show that also appeals to adults. That is how the show will stay pure to it's OG vision and doesn't get lost in adult humor.

>>325860

I was lured in by the pretty pink ponies saving the world. then I wanted to love the ponies. And now I can't look at real women. Worth it.

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c64f63 (1)  No.325866

>>325860

2017, wow. I'm genuinely surprised that there were still people joining the ride that late. I guess everybody finds their own way after all.

Makes me wonder what kind of lasting presence and impact the show will have. Will there be people in ten years that somehow discover the show for the first time and get involved with whatever fandom remains? Somewhat like what I've experienced with finally watching a decades old classic anime and looking around for a community to discuss it and learn more. I guess it largely depends on if Hasbro lets MLP:FIM rest, or if they parade around the corpse with a shitty G5 reboot in a few years.

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b8bb46 (1)  No.325867

>>325862

I really think the point is to defy the classification into an adult or children's show--to bring together the best of both worlds and excise the worst, to strive for something simply good. To avoid treating the audience like retards like so many other children's shows do, where characters behave as though they lack agency or any personality beyond zero or one defining traits, and plots/worldbuilding are deadass simple or simply nonexistent. To avoid the gore, sexuality, political signaling, and constant fourth-wall breaking look-at-me-so-meta cynical quippy dialogue that's so prevalent in modern "adult" media so overgrown children can fool themselves into thinking they're watching something that's actually "deep" and "relatable".

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