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eb1e84 (2) No.300619>>304229 >>304246 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

So I am worried the effect repealing net neutrality will have on my enjoyment of pony.

So where are we going to go for our porn when net neutrality is repealed, also where will we go to watch new episodes?

I'm okay with paying my internet bill the way it is now, I don't want to have separate bills for pony episodes or for pony porn. How embarrassing is that going to look like on my bank statement?

What are the rest of your opinions on this?

a183dd (1) No.300620>>300631

Fuck embarrassing. What really sucks is paying three times (ISP, artist, "premium membership" so you don't get your bandwidth strangled) for something that costs nothing to copy and distribute. The commodification of ideas is a colossal scam. The people who own this shit are not providing any service. They are just taking what we already had away and extorting money from us so that we can have it back.


4cf13d (1) No.300631

>>300620

This is something I hate. There's so much shit like this going on in the world.

>How much can we take away without getting lynched?

>Ah, they're angry. Shit. Let's wait.

>Okay they've calmed down. Let's try and bring it back or maybe take something else from them this time.

Shit happens with DLC in games and shit happens with things like this. Greedy fucks don't respect freedom and want to monetize that shit away from us. I say fuck them; I'll stand against this shit as long as I live and I'll keep shooting out freedom as passionately as I shovel burgers into my mouth.


e5c31e (1) No.300633>>300634

I really doubt anything much will happen, too many people would get angry about it and if these things that people have worried about happens (the fast lanes and slow lanes), the internet uhh finds a way. We will mask our traffic as services under the fast lane. If all else fails go to the past to find our answer, we post usb sticks to cork board in public areas, lock the files with a password, post the password online anyone in the area can download it. Or my favorite answer from slightly not as far into the past, we create wifi mesh networks, basically creating a new internet. The only problem is getting the people to do it, I would so do it if it wasn't just me screaming into the 2.4ghz/5ghz void.


d83344 (1) No.300634>>300656

>>300633

The other problem is that that the people who own the cell towers will know exactly who is doing it and charge them wifi fees that cost as much as their premium memberships anyway. Or, they could drop unlimited plans entirely.


0b98a8 (1) No.300643>>300649

> net neutrality

is this some burger thing? can anyone explain pls?


c0e597 (1) No.300649>>300674 >>300708

>>300643

Yes, it's a burger thing. "Net neutrality" means that ISPs cannot charge different rates for access to different websites. By eliminating net neutrality, the government allows ISPs to choke traffic to particular sites and then sell speedier access to them in the form of "premium plans." Essentially, eliminating net neutrality favors the website run by megacorporations like Amazon and Disney, because they have the capital to cut deals with the ISPs for preferential treatment while small-time websites like this one and pretty much everywhere that hosts tiny pastel horse porn will have their access throttled.

As if that were not shitty enough, copyright enforcement becomes easier, since everyone's net traffic will be common knowledge to the ISPs and their megacorp cohorts. Since users will have to pay to access particular sites at practical speeds, the ISPs will always know who accesses sites like The Pirate Bay and Mega which will allow for more lawsuits over copyright violations. It is a massive scam to get people to pay for something that is currently free.


221e2f (5) No.300656>>300670

>>300634

>wifi

>cell

These things are different. Did you know that, Anon?


6b34d1 (1) No.300670

>>300656

What is the archetecture of the network that you want to create going to look like without cell towers? How would it extend beyond line-of sight? This is the first that I have heard of this scheme, so I am genuinely curious.


eb1e84 (2) No.300674

>>300649

yep you pretty much explained it perfectly


789345 (1) No.300677>>300679 >>300687 >>300688 >>300696 >>300700 >>300725

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Net neutrality never really been applied in the US. not under Obama, not before, and not outside the US. Nothing will change. market is what will dictate the prices to fall, for the same service.

But some of these retards believe it will. There's a shitstorm starting on Derpibooru out of fucking nothing.

The jew scares everyone with it.


db3e3b (1) No.300679

>>300677

>market is what will dictate the prices to fall, for the same service.

Praise the Invisible Hand!


6dbfc5 (1) No.300687>>300701

>>300677

Is this /our/ DiamondTiara? Posting on Derpibooru? Awesome. Anyone else there?


60a003 (1) No.300688

>>300677

The problem with this argument is that it all hinges on corporate executives who have spent their entire lives screwing over other people to make a bigger profit somehow all deciding in unison not to screw over others for profit.

Its kind of like day one DLC for computergames. Its a terrible business practice, pisses off a large chunk of the company's customers and earns the company scorn from critics every time they do it. But it makes them money, so they keep doing it.

If a company can make money throttling bandwidth to certain servers or services, why wouldn't they do it? Hell, plenty of people can't even change ISP if they want to since only one provider operates in the area they live.

The real problem though, is legislation, since a lot of the kind of traffic that would be affected would be from one country to a second country through a third and fourth country. We'd quickly end up with cases like, can Russian companies operating a telecon satellite charge extra for bandwidth from Europe to Asia? This has the potential to not just screw over customers but turn into a political clusterfuck


bbd671 (1) No.300692>>300700

https://derpibooru.org/generals/tartarus/post/3442074

Anon! Anon! Look at this gem!

The retardation, the cringe! the tears!


0ed472 (1) No.300696>>300708

>>300677 (checked)

So, should we be worried or not?

Since Net Neutrality was never implemented but doesn't it acts like a deterrent from the ISPs acting more jewish?


27fb11 (2) No.300700

>>300677

>>300692

Christ. Not only Derpibooru's a bunch of cucks but threatening your users for disagreeing with you is even more stupid.


27fb11 (2) No.300701

>>300687

Yes I can confirm, that's the same Yayo Midget Fraud Slayer Thot DiamondTiara from Rizon/Twitter hanging with lulzsecks and the kool kidz.

There's nudes of her on /ircsecrets/ btw.


1239f6 (1) No.300708>>300715

>>300696

What there is to worry about is this: >>300649. ISPs are going to start charging people for premium plans and choking traffic to sites that are not owned by companies who can afford a sepecial arrangement with them.


913581 (1) No.300715>>300719 >>300721

>>300708

Yes, but not ALL providers will. Some will keep bringing a non bottle necked internet access and destroy competition. Commercially fucking your customers is not viable.

So fuck Net Neutrality. It never been effective. It is a buzzword. Even if it will be voted to maintain it, it is keeping things static, and prices and services will stagnate. Forever. Like this.

And no competition means no innovation.


b7e269 (1) No.300719>>300720 >>300721

>>300715

>Commercially fucking your customers is not viable.

You're not serious. You can't be serious. Right? I mean nobody actually believes that.


765bf2 (1) No.300720>>300722 >>300736

>>300719

It will always be profitable for someone to offer a proper internet package when everyone else is cucked.


221e2f (5) No.300721

>>300715

>Commercially fucking your customers is not viable.

I know you want to say that, but I see it happen all the time. Collusion happens accidentally, in addition to happening with some back-door deals. Result? Cell usage costs are phenomenal here in the states because NN & the breakup of MaBell doesn't apply to these new, fangly innovations.

>>300719

You responded, rightly, while I was typing.

We need Net Neutrality exactly because screwing over the customer is the biggest, easiest way to boost margins … charge the same for less service!


221e2f (5) No.300722

>>300720

No, it will always be profitable to hire a hit-team, whether that's a band of shark-lawyers or a literal hit-team ala-shadowrun, to prevent actual, meaningful competition.

So long as there's three or four companies colluding to appear as competition, who collectively are a monopoly, offering real-world value in the form of service that's better priced will never succeed. Not without some legal protections, anyway.


221e2f (5) No.300724

triple-posting to offer this daily reminder:

Kvetching online does jack for your laws.

Write your congresscritter and explain why you rely on NN. I don't care if you wind up messing up your punctuation, if a thousand 8channers write to complain:

1: We won't be the only ones, because it's that important

2: if we overwhelm the clerks who pass tallies to our elected officials, said officials will start to take the hint.

https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative


412e72 (1) No.300725>>300765

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>>300677

There's a whole thread on the forums where Arcaire also threatens users. Bad.


d51b02 (1) No.300736>>300741

>>300720

>everyone else

Meanwhile, every major city only has one or two cable companies.


221e2f (5) No.300741

>>300736

Many of the smaller ones only have one phone company, and they act as the ISP, with a dont-allow-competition contract with the county so they can safely afford to underpay every untrained monkey to do everything wrong, three times, five weeks late, and still keep their profit margins comfy.


4985a7 (2) No.300765

>>300725

There's a huge thread on /mlp/ Right now about NN and Derpibooru mods abusing their power to shill for it.

Actually it's a law in favor of the corporations, not the users.


4985a7 (2) No.300766

Cross-posted from http://boards.4chan.org/mlp/thread/31424282

Patachu is far from being dumb and here's why he's getting always in trouble. (He knows what he signed for) But his post there makes an important point.

Think one minute, why a corporation like TimeWarner, or Comcast/Universal's newspapers branch, and literally all of the mainstream media that also own a cable company would scream wolf about Net Neutrality being endangered?

Because Net Neutrality IS actually a pro-corporate law.

That's Patachu's subtle, but on a vulgar, humorous way to expose the reality about the Net Neutrality.

It's a spook.

Arcaire totally understood this. You're getting fucked, but these people prefer to get some big corporate cock in the ass, than being proven wrong.


c0e2fd (1) No.301599>>301623

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wa>>300670

What is the archetecture of the network that you want to create going to look like without cell towers?

The same as with cell towers. I give you this as answer because it is kinda hard to define the 'architecture' of the internet because it hasn't been designed with an architecture and thus there isn't a clear base on which this has been built. If you like buzzwords you can call it an arbitrarily ordered, hardware agnostic, addressed collection of hosts which can directly or indirectly address and communicate with each other. There was internet before 1972 when the cellular network got patented.

How would it extend beyond line-of sight?

Well, around 1753, a fellow anon published the discovery that signals from a telegraph could be sent to a different place then the telegraph is at by sending electrical charges through a conductive wire and observing, in this particlur instance, deflection of pith balls to determine the which signal was sent.

Now, this is an example of a simplex unidirectional connection where some external synchronisation had to be done to assure said balls are actually reacting because of a signal sent or because one has been staring at them for too long, however, the idea of using conductive wiring to send electrical signals has been developed further and now it is capable to, for example, manage the massive amount of traffic that flows between your cpu and memory. Also, unlike the design I allured to earlier, I believe it evident from the above example that human observation to determine the signal sent is now replaced with a system that can do said observation and decoding without homan intervention.

As already demonstrated by the original machine and strengthened by the example given, these conductive wires are not affected by human observation. They are also capable of being routed in a route that is not straight and thus can be routed around a wall which will make it possible to connect two locations inbetween which there is no line of sight.


7e09a8 (1) No.301600

I am abjectly terrified of being sent back to the dark age that was three years ago, when we didn't have net neutrality and everything was exactly the same. Panic. Panic. That's what you want me to do, right? Panic. Ahhh, my by-now routine lefty screeching is doing something. Ahhhh. More panic.


258502 (1) No.301623>>304226 >>304227

>>301599

>The same as with cell towers. I give you this as answer because it is kinda hard to define the 'architecture' of the internet because it hasn't been designed with an architecture and thus there isn't a clear base on which this has been built.

Ah, okay. You don't know what link archetecture is. Of course the internet is built on an archetecture, several archetectures even. Even wireless communications uses archetecture. If you were thinking about just having nodes polling every other node themselves and forwarding all the requests they receive, then that shit is going to be unusable. Even when it does work, it will be slow as fuck. Do you not remember Freenet .5? And that was using cables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_link_layer

>As already demonstrated by the original machine and strengthened by the example given, these conductive wires are not affected by human observation. They are also capable of being routed in a route that is not straight and thus can be routed around a wall which will make it possible to connect two locations inbetween which there is no line of sight.

Yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about. UHF, VHF, and microwave frequencies work on line-of-sight. They go through solid objects but degrade as they do so. HF works beyond line-of-sight, but it cannot carry a lot of data, and the frequencies are limited. You need really long cables with towers at every end of them if you want to extend beyond line-of-sight. Without that, your network is going to be unusable any distance for the center of a city, and those nodes inside the city are going to have a hell of a time pulling any data from elsewhere.


f0059e (7) No.304226

>>301623

>Ah, okay. You don't know what link archetecture is.

Or…, I'm answering to someone who seemed to have an understanding of the word 'internet' is limited to it being a function on phones, sold by cell providers in units named 'mb'.

This would explain bringing in cell tower operators as a supposably relevant party in a wifi network. By assuming it is provided by your cell provider because it is on your phone, so probably done though the cell tower; it could make sense. But now it seems you may have a different reason for this.

Following the same argument from ignorance, conflating them with internet providers by having them charge people for 'wifi' (persumably 'internet', because wifi is internet, only free) traffic. The cell tower you connect to probably has the same company owning it as your cell provider. Both have the word 'cell' in it. So obviously they are also entitled to money.

Hence I did an apparently shitty job of trying to explain that neither of these technologies are required to have an internets.

>>Of course the internet is built on an archetecture, several archetectures even. Even wireless communications uses archetecture.

You are correct. But there is no overall architecture for what is the internet. The internet consists of several hetrogenous networks put together. It can even be argued that no complete architectual map could be made as every leaf node on pretty much every sub-network could have a network running with undocumented or secret protocols, mapping back to standard internet protocols at said leaf node.

>If you were thinking about just having nodes polling every other node themselves and forwarding all the requests they receive, then that shit is going to be unusable.

Here you are haphazardly describing some sort of simplefied networking protocol, but I am unsure why. I do not see the significance with it in regard to the internet working with or without cell towers, and at this point I dont know what you think i was arguing for instead.

>Even when it does work, it will be slow as fuck. Do you not remember Freenet .5? And that was using cables.

With 'Freenet .5', do you mean the 0.5 release of the software to run freenet as in https://freenetproject.org/ ? In that case, interesting you mention a version number. A screenshot on that site mentions a 0.7-a2-pre release so perhaps some of the problems you may have had have been solved or mitigated by now. Though, the main way this program was used was to visit normal websites one can also access without it. S

ince the program itself facilitates this by going over the same internet via different locations with numerous jumps, this is most likely going to invoke extra latency over the direct route. This is of course assuming the direct route is actually available and not blocked by your provider for some reason. That this is not always the case is probably part of the reason this program exists.

By the way, interesting you mention cables, but I will go in to that later below.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_link_layer

Ah yes. The data link layer. the accords we struck on how we say things went well, things went bad, who is A, who is B, how to get to A, how to get to B, and who is allowed to at a given time, with regards to the bits and symbols sent to and received from the physical layer.

If you are wondering which protocols to use in a wifi mesh network, it would depend on the specific network itself. It is possible, and in small scales relatively efficient, to just use the standard ethernet protocols for this.


f0059e (7) No.304227>>304235

>>301623

> >As already demonstrated by the original machine and strengthened by the example given, these conductive wires are not affected by human observation. They are also capable of being routed in a route that is not straight and thus can be routed around a wall which will make it possible to connect two locations inbetween which there is no line of sight.

Remember when i said i was gonna talk about cables? This is me describing cables as a way to get around a line-of-sight problem you saw with respect to having cell-towerless internet.

>Yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I think we're just misunderstanding eachother.

> UHF, VHF, and microwave frequencies work on line-of-sight. They go through solid objects but degrade as they do so. HF works beyond line-of-sight, but it cannot carry a lot of data, and the frequencies are limited. You need really long cables

Aside from all the exceptions you mentioned, i guess i could agree; though the cables could be short if the line of sight is obstructed by just a nearby wall.

> with towers at every end of them

No. What the fuck would you _need_ towers for? If i want to reach some rando website, that site is connected to a big fat cable in a datacenter, connected to a big fat cable to my country, connected to a big fat cable to ISPs, willing to connect to your router with coax, rj11, rj45 or some other cable, to which i can also connect the mesh with wifi. If i need to lend an ISP router which refuses to connect to my mesh, I can connect my own router to it with a rj45 and connect it to my mesh. If i wanna connect to some fag on another mesh, he can have a similar cell-less setup. What is the point of cell towers in this setup?

If for some reason i wanna transmit my mesh's data through my phone's cell network, it will go from there, to the cell tower, and unless i am connected to a cell on wheels, it will have a cable doing the backhaul to the cell providers core network, which is in regards to your cell internet connection the big fat isp cable mentioned earlier. wifi meshes do not _need_ cell towers at all.

>if you want to extend beyond line-of-sight. Without that, your network is going to be unusable any distance for the center of a city, and those nodes inside the city are going to have a hell of a time pulling any data from elsewhere.

If all you have to connect your city sized network to 'the internet' with is cell towers, you are probably gonna have a bad time. The fastest protocol i can find is hspa+ with 672mb/s throughput. With a random youtube video being around 40mb/min, lets hope no more then 1008 people want to stream one whilst nobody else uses the network. That's gonna be a lot of infrastructure you skip building if you decide to use a cable instead. Even if you have a protocol with a throughput 100gb/s, you are still beaten by ethernet cables i can buy for $10 in a store.


77ec07 (1) No.304229

>>300619 (OP)

Only 56%'ers will be affected.


9e7f3f (1) No.304235>>304243 >>304245 >>304259

>>304227

Wait, so this wi-fi mesh network is going to run on cables? Whose cables?


f0059e (7) No.304243>>304245

>>304235

There are many cables owned by many people. which cable in particular do you mean?


774464 (1) No.304245>>304255

>>304235

>>304243

Isn't that the whole question of NN? "Whose cables, and who's going to pay to keep them updated & lit?"


ed8bc6 (1) No.304246

>>300619 (OP)

fucking retard fuck. the repeal of NN goes back to the open internet act of 2005. NOTHING IS CHANGING YOU RETARDED FUCKS


f0059e (7) No.304255>>304260

>>304245

Err… No? This is not a question of who is allowed to be an ISP, but what rules apply if one operates as an ISP. In that sense, a 'cable' would be equivalent more or less equivalent to a cell tower, assuming one uses it to pump through internet traffic.

If I am not mistaken, http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf explains the recent change and http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf describes the situation as it was. since the pdf reader counts about 610 pages together and the index of both document refers to pagenumbers outside the pdf's range, I'll leave reading it, concluding what it means and what to do with it as an excersize to the reader.

It is kinda sad that 99% of the media about the subject reads in an "FCC saved/killed the internet and thats good/bad"; going into the utopia/distopia it just created without reporting on what actually happened. Not that the FCC's site is that great a site for finding this information, but whatever. Should you have more about what actually happened that would be nice.


4182b7 (1) No.304256

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>net neutrality law pushed through congress under Comcast's funding

>total control of my internet choices by a company that wants to sell me a shitty TV service I'll never use

>mfw I can't tell which would be worse, and am already overburdened by the struggle to not be right on the edge of debt every month


eef931 (1) No.304259

>>304235

You tell me. Whose cables is this wi-fi network going to use?


b92611 (1) No.304260>>304277

>>304255

>Err… No? This is not a question of who is allowed to be an ISP, but what rules apply if one operates as an ISP.

I don't think you're following the argument. Networks of cables already connect everything. The cable companies control them and maintain them. They claim that by right they should be able to do as they wish with them. Net neutrality advocates counter that the cable companies were granted their effective monopolies so as to provide a public service and are thus bound to meet certain standards in regards to that service. Who owns the cables and what can be done with them is the central issue.

>since the pdf reader counts about 610 pages together and the index of both document refers to pagenumbers outside the pdf's range, I'll leave reading it, concluding what it means and what to do with it as an excersize to the reader.

Remember back when people were saying that Dick Cheney was not physically fit to be the Vice President given his heart condition and demanded to see his medical reports? The White House dropped thousands of pages of documents relating to Cheney's health knowing that doing so would make analysis impossible in the immediate future. It was compliance and obfuscation at the same time.


f0059e (7) No.304277>>304281

>>304260

All I've been doing was refuting the need for cell towers, so no; i'm not following.

Putting a cable in the ground doesn't automagically make it owned by the cable company. It is your cable, you put it there. When it comes down to it setting up a new cable network will most likely be more cost effective then a cell tower network.

In regards to the monopoly, one can also access the internet via telephone wires, your damned cell towers, satalite connections, and there have even been ip over avian carrier implementations.

Internet was considered an utility and its status of utility made that rules regarding delivering the service has to be followed. It has nothing to do with the carrier or the count of it. The pdfs probably explain the specifics, but I dont care enough to find it out for you.


3d6b24 (1) No.304281>>304282

>>304277

>Putting a cable in the ground doesn't automagically make it owned by the cable company. It is your cable, you put it there. When it comes down to it setting up a new cable network will most likely be more cost effective then a cell tower network.

See, this is why I could not figure out what your plan was. Laying new cable throughout an entire city is so profoundly absurd that it did not even enter my mind. You are talking about spending years getting permits (not to mention fighting lawsuits and getting environmental impact studies done) to dig up and replace city streets before putting every construction worker in the area on the payroll to do exactly that. Oh, and then you are going to permanently employ a team of maintainance workers and a construction crew to keep the thing running.

Don't think you're done there! Remember that archetecture we talked about earlier? You are going to need to create your own ISP. You are going to need a building, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, and an entire crew of technicians. You're a multi-billionaire, right?


f0059e (7) No.304282>>304283

>>304281

>See, this is why I could not figure out what your plan was

explaining why you dont need cell towers to connect shit over the internet. I'm still not sure what you are talking about.

As to auxiliary costs, with a cell tower you are going to be an isp AND a cell provider, as well as place antenna's people think give them cancer, and buy frequencies to transmit over. You still think cell is the cheapest option?


0d597e (1) No.304283>>304286

>>304282

>You still think cell is the cheapest option?

Compared to digging up an entire city? Hell-fucking-yes! There isn't much that isn't cheaper than that.


f0059e (7) No.304286>>304287

>>304283

In that case, good luck outbidding existing companiese in the next fcc frequency auction. I'm looking forward to seeing your cell network come to fruition.


10e3ca (1) No.304287

>>304286

Yes, the telecom corporations control every aspect of the market. That is the entire problem that we are addressing. And the cell network wasn't my idea. It is just a somewhat less absurd idea than laying new cable throughout an entire city.




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