0c35cb No.1867
Can a philosopher be "overrated"?
If so, is there an example of one?
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0c35cb No.1888
Schopenhauer is definitely underrated
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0c35cb No.1889
>>1888
I listened to an audiobook on him and holy shit is the "will" a depressing concept...
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0c35cb No.1890
>>1888
I've never looked into Schopenhauer because my impression was always that Nietzsche had managed to tackle him on his own terms, and yielded a more successful and hopeful philosophy.
Do you see Schopenhauer's thought as withstanding Nietzsche's critique, and how so?
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0c35cb No.1901
>>1890
Nietzsche doesn't necessarily put down any philosophy through sheer undeniable logic. Nietzsche's argument against Schopenhauer is purely aesthetic.
Do you like depressive, nihilistic philosophy? No? Then Nietzsche has a good response. It's what your passions and sentiments are, not the logic of the arguments.
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0c35cb No.1913
I tried readin Nietsche in 10th grade. I wasn't impressed and gathered that he was a nihilist, but maybe I wasn't comprehending him correctly. Will try again. The dalai lama and really all zen/buddhist teachers are over-rated.
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0c35cb No.1916
>>1913
I was under the impression that he was a passionate anti-nihilist.
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0c35cb No.1918
>>1916
That's the impression im getting from him with my limited exposure of Gay Science and what little of Zarathustra i've read so far.
The love in his aphorisms are pretty moving.
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0c35cb No.1919
>>1918
I continued reading him today and there is no doubt in my mind now of what I said. I just said I was unsure because the people of the internet have a tendency to post "ACTUALLY-" to everything you thought you knew.
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0c35cb No.1920
>>1918
Also, funny thing is, I've been reading my Nietzsche from "The Basic Writings of Nietzsche," which contains most of his major complete books, EXCEPT The Gay Science and Zarathustra. :P
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0c35cb No.1922
>>1920
>>1919
Are you cute? I could use some cuteboy to philosophize with
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0c35cb No.1924
>>1922
>tfw i'm gay
>tfw i've been browsing /pol/ for so long that regardless of my faggotry i want me a traditional qt gal.
Also, I'm the complete antithesis of cute, sry.
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0c35cb No.2695
>>1913
>>1916
>>1918
Nietzsche is not a nihilist, he sees nihilism as a stage one overcomes in life.
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0c35cb No.2696
>>1918
Nietzche is really a great guy, and I say that as a Christian who disagrees with basically everything he actually asserts. I only wish even one percent of Christianity's enemies were as serious and thoughtful as he was.
>>1913
Buddhism is absolutely overrated. It's basically a completely anti-life school of thought that exalts ceasing to exist as the most noble end.
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0c35cb No.2701
>>1924
Why would you desire something you don't even want because of ideology?
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0c35cb No.2702
Nietzsche was a nihilist in denial.
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0c35cb No.2717
The one year of college I have, it was at a horribly charismatic Catholic college. The whole philosophy department was on this one dude's dick, forget his name. Anyway, all this dude did was take a look at all the actual big names of philosophy, and was all "Oh, no this is what they meant." and made everything jive with Catholicism.
Religious colleges are the worst though. I was getting theology in a fucking comm arts class. Point is, people will over hype who the fuck ever backs what the fuck that person wants to believe.
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0c35cb No.2730
>>2696
Buddhism a shit, I agree
>believe in reincarnation
>you can be anything
>literally
>a god, a cat, a loli, your soul will be one of those sooner or later
>every life is filled with happiness and sadness
>infinite lives mean infinite happiness and infinite sadness
>each life however just has a limited amount of both
Why would anyone seek the one way to completely kill yourself in this scenario, reaching Nirvana is basically genocide, you deny an infinite amount of lifeforms that could have carried your soul at a later time their birth because muh life is and endless torrent of death and suffering.
Buddhism minus the idea of reincarnation is basically just killing yourself because life is shit. Truly the most enlightened of philosophies.
Not to be too polemic though, meditation is an interesting practice, although it should be separated from all the other bullshit.
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0c35cb No.2732
>>2730
How does bunch of atoms come to reason and feel in the first place? Why "self" couldn't exist again?
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0c35cb No.2733
>>2732
I don't get what you are asking because of your grammar.
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0c35cb No.2738
The modern interpreters has probably hijacked most of the popular philosophers who had unpopular unpopular.
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0c35cb No.2741
>>2701
I am not sexually attracted to them (for the most part) is what I mean, but I am romantically/æsthetically.
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0c35cb No.2742
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0c35cb No.2745
>>2741
no relationship lasts without good sex or proper social pressures
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0c35cb No.2748
>>1867
Kant is seriously overrated
Wittgenstein is overrated
Hume is underrated by a huge amount.
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0c35cb No.2752
>>2748
>the philosophers that made modern post-epistemological turns and ended a stupid debate are overrated
>a scottish bastard who was in the midst of a stupid endless argument about epistemology is underrated
Hume can and should burn in the depths of history for another five centuries for being a halfhearted skeptic.
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0c35cb No.2753
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0c35cb No.2816
>>2753
The name of my philosophy teacher.
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0c35cb No.2817
>>1867
I think overrated is a subjective term. Because you gotta remember ratings are based on individual subjective judgements, and no amount of subjectivity can amount to objectivity.
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0c35cb No.2829
I think Sophists and Sceptics are kind of underrated, the mainstream Greek philospohical narration doesn't give them enough credit.
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0c35cb No.2845
Kant is overrated
don't get me wrong, he is a fine fellow, but too much cock worship around him by people who didn't even read his books
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0c35cb No.2879
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0c35cb No.2882
>>2730
You dont get it. You've had an essentially infinite number of lifetimes already in Buddhism. You're sick and tired of being raped as a loli thousands of times, and getting candy a thousand times. Sometimes you even remember your old lives.
Buddhism says its time to move on already. It says deep down you want to a conclusion: you want to die. Grow up and face your death.
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0c35cb No.2885
>>2882
Buddhism says its time to move on already. It says deep down you want to a conclusion: you want to die.
Except I don't. Never wanted to. Buddhism can come back when I change my mind, in any of my lifes.
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0c35cb No.2888
>>2885
Which is always an option you don't have with Christianity. Still want to be reborn in heaven? Once again Buddhism offers that. It is a more sophisticated and mature religion. Whether or not reincarnation is true, Buddhism tries to prepare your mind to accept the natural end of all things unlike in Christianity.
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0c35cb No.2889
>>2885
But like most people you do not know what you really want.
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0c35cb No.2937
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0c35cb No.2942
>>1867
everyone after 1800
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0c35cb No.3154
>>2882
Who would want to not exist? If Buddhism is true at all, why would anyone follow it? In one of these lives, surely I am granted a gateway to omniscience, and can take my seat among the mighty? Surely if I am resurrected endlessly in any manner of forms, I would eventually become a fledgling god, I would improve, and claim my seat as Eternal, and would have might, power and glory beyond measure? As the Eternal God I could change every aspect of the several hundred universes around me, I would destroy death itself, and would rule over all. The problem is, if this is what happens, if I or anyone else could be infinitely reincarnated into any form, eventually they would reach Omniscience and destroy reincarnation, so that they would remain as the greatest of all, the undying master of existance, the head of every pantheon.
Buddhism provides many of these paradoxes.
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0c35cb No.3190
>>2888
>Still want to be reborn in heaven? Once again Buddhism offers that. It is a more sophisticated and mature religion.
It doesn't say anything about it, considering the matter acinteyya or "imponderable". It in fact even discourages one from thinking about it, claiming that such question are distractions that should be avoided for the sake of "practicality". How's that for sophistication and maturity?
>[Grumbling] This one's "heresy", and this one's "attachment", are the same
There's no more reason why a person achieving salvation through Christ would want to return to Earth than someone escaping rebirth through the Eightfold Path.
>Buddhism tries to prepare your mind to accept the natural end of all things unlike in Christianity.
And in doing so, guarantees such ending. Mr. Thomas has some words for you
>>2889
>But like most people you do not know what you really want
lol, #rekt amirite?
> And you give me the choice between a description that is sure but that teaches me nothing and hypotheses that claim to teach me but that are not sure. A stranger to myself and to the world, armed solely with a thought that negates itself as soon as it asserts, what is this condition in which I can have peace only by refusing to know and to live,
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0c35cb No.3203
>>2889
Do you know what I want? No? Then I guess I'm more qualified to say what I want.
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0c35cb No.3227
>>3190
>There's no more reason why a person achieving salvation through Christ would want to return to Earth than someone escaping rebirth through the Eightfold Path.
How about compassion? Bodhisattvas delay their departure to help others to esape from suffering first.
>It doesn't say anything about it, considering the matter acinteyya or "imponderable". It in fact even discourages one from thinking about it, claiming that such question are distractions that should be avoided for the sake of "practicality". How's that for sophistication and maturity?
Buddha spoke about his past lives in some texts. He remembered being the head god of gods 36 times (undoubtably for many long eons each time), and don't you think you would get tired of that?
"Thirty-six times I was Sakka, ruler of the devas. And many hundreds of times I was a wheel-turning monarch, righteous, a king of righteousness, conqueror of the four regions of the earth, maintaining stability in the land, in possession of the seven treasures."
Yes, you are "supposed" to focus on escaping samsara. But you can focus on other things as some schools do. The pure land school believed you the dharma had become so corrupted it was necessary to seek to be reborn in a pure land before seeking pari-nirvana.
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0c35cb No.3236
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0c35cb No.3761
Foucault, a thousand times Foucault. Also Chomsky, but if he is looked at in a more sobering light after his death, he has a chance
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