No.2787
What is the reasoning behind those of you on this board who don't do this for religious reasons?
Obviously some of you guys do it for those reasons. But I'm fascinated by those of you who don't.
care you elaborate?
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No.2788
I always feel bad after fapping. When I stop fapping, I start feeling better, sleeping better, have more energy. Some say it is just a placebo, but if it works, I dont care that it is a placebo.
As described in numerous threads, porn is a slippery slope, and I'd rather not jerk it to midget scat bestiality hentai.
It also is a good excercise in willpower and selfdiscipline.
One less jewish trick to influence my life.
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No.2789
I want to exercise my willpower. That said, I've still been watching porn in the shower and getting hard without actually touching my peepee. Not jerking it all the time makes it much better for when I do decide to jerk it. Delayed gratification is always good.
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No.2801
>>2788
A useful placebo… eh, I can respect that reasoning.
But is porn a slippery slope, or are you just mentally unstable?
Also, what causes people to develop self-discipline? Does no-fap objectively increase willpower, or does it weaken someone who is starving a fundamental drive?
>>2789
>calling your dick a peepee
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you talk like a goddamn three year old?
Also, delayed gratification can come from other sources aside from masturbation. Is it evil to masturbate if it helps you be productive, like with studying a foreign language? Not much bloodflow to the brain with a raging boner from self-cucking.
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No.2803
>>2787
TL;DR : for the claimed benefits of feeling better about daily life (though I've never felt better from the restraint, only more and more frustrated and exhausted)
My reason is that I've been emotionally dulled for a long time, and I'm looking for some method of fixing that numbness.
The clear issue in my eyes is the lack of opportunities for positive social interaction (no friends and high stress from my job) It's pretty obvious that this is an exhaustion state from too much strain for too long with no method of recovery.
You see, we all need positive social interaction just to feel normal. Having friends IS the baseline, not some privilege of the few in human experience.
Anyway, it is currently not possible for me to make friends in my current living/working circumstances.
A bunch of no-fappers say that abstaining will "reset dopamine receptors".
I don't think there is any data to support this claim, and furthermore, dopamine is just one of a mix of chemicals that are needed in moderation to maintain healthy mental functioning.
Feeling numb or lethargic could also come from things like too much cortisol (from prolonged stress) and a lack of vasopressin or oxytocin (basically from lacking positive social contact).
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No.2805
>>2787
It's about self-control over a primitive drive that is so strong, it compels me to have sex with my hand, despite having no evolutionary advantage. At least, that's why I started nofap. Without citing the same evidence that always gets regurgitated around here, I'll say that it actually has made me feel better. Maybe this is a placebo, but it's not what I expected.
>>2801
>starving a fundamental drive
How is touching your peepee fundamental?
>namefag
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No.2821
>>2805
The fundamental drive that I am referring to is the drive to have sex, not the drive to masturbate. However, since procuring sex involves several risks in this day and age, masturbation is a viable alternative to satisfying that urge without doing something so stupid as fucking a shallow bitch because that's your only source of validation
I trust I do not have to explain to you why sex is a fundamental aspect of survival for the species. You should be able to understand why it's both healthy and normal to have a sex drive… as well as why it is dangerous to pursue women like a drooling fool.
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No.2828
>>2801
>But is porn a slippery slope, or are you just mentally unstable?
When I was young, I could get off to a clothed woman in a suggestive pose. Now I need some hardcore pornography. There is a slippery slope as far as I have experienced.
>Also, what causes people to develop self-discipline?
I don't know, I just force myself to endure hardships and hope it comes that way.
>Does no-fap objectively increase willpower
Willpower is often described as a muscle. That means that it can tire out, and that it is trainable. So far, I think I'm making good progress on willpower. When I feel burned out, I'll search for something motivational.
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No.2839
>>2801
>imageboards are serious business for him
I'm just trying to have a little fun here. Anyways being a depressedfag, I have felt the nocebo effect quite heavily so I want in on some of that placebo action.
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No.2840
>>2821
>Not mastering your urges
I feel bad for you son
Also, is 'fucking a shallow bitch' really just a source of validation? Why can't that be an alternative to masturbation? Both are pointless from an evolutionary perspective, and both are a submission to this 'urge.' Wouldn't it make sense to choose casual sex over masturbation, assuming release of this drive is so important? After all, casual sex will give you practice for the real thing, arguably feels better, and (again, a bonus from the evolutionary perspective) may produce a child, even by accident. Then again, you have yet to explain why this drive must be fulfilled at all. I agree that it is necessary for our species, but why is the individual obligated to procreate? Self-awareness has given us a choice over what other animals are simply compelled to do; we are allowed to observe and reflect upon our own biological programming and instincts, and what is 'right' does not necessarily reflect what is 'natural' to us. Therefore, appeals to biology or evolution can't really justify jerking off, even if it did somehow contribute to evolution, and I find it hard not only to see how masturbation is fundamental, but why we have to be slaves to this drive at all.
>>2828
I think there's a video of a TED talk on here somewhere that talks about how sexual tastes get more complex over time, and how we learn new fetishes as the brain needs increased and newer sexual stimulus. I can't be bothered to find it though
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No.2841
this fucken retardation bait again
ill firstly answer the question for any lurkers
secondly ill give the only answer that you -deserve-, lowlife
firstly:
>better dopamine receptors (leaders are linked to more sensitive dopamine receptors)
>the after-effect of jerking it makes me depressed and saps me of my will to live and my energy
>i dont like falling for jew tricks
>i dont like being essentially cucked
>it's not real it's just a fucking drawing on a screen
and many others just check ybop site
secondly:
kill yourself you pathetic pisstian
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No.2849
>>2828
Willpower is also described inconsistently as being a resource that can be depleted, and only under certain circumstances will it replenish.
I think it is narrow minded to boil the entire concept of willpower down to whether or not one masturbates.
What helps restore your willpower? (Not just in terms of abstinence, but in terms of getting the energy to actually do something productive.)
I just want to hear some opinions.
>>2840
It doesn't make sense to choose casual sex when she can decide she feels guilty about it and charges you with rape. And then there are a slew of legal issues with getting a woman pregnant and then being on the hook for financial support for years and years on end…
Furthermore, casual sex is a matter of decadence. The focus should be on building a family, not fucking just to get your rocks off.
>>Why is the individual obliged to procreate?
Because you wouldn't exist if your forefathers didn't procreate. Do you really not understand that concept?
I'm not saying that we evolved to masturbate. I'm saying that we evolved a sex drive, but there is a balance between letting that sex drive cloud your judgment and letting off some steam so you don't end up falling into degeneracy.
Also, as to that TED talk on sexual tastes, that is mostly referring to porn, which I can agree is degenerate. However, fucking casually is also degenerate and will frustrate those sexual tastes in exactly the way that TED speaker describes.
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No.2853
>>2849
So your contention with casual sex is a legal one? Interesting. Can't a woman always make those claims though, regardless of whether you had sex or not? Can't that even be applied to sex for strictly biological purposes, or "building a family?" I fail to see how it is more decadent than masturbation; after all, masturbation doesn't help you procreate either, and what other purpose does it have besides "getting your rocks off?" Is there a "non-decadent" way to masturbate, and if so, why is there also not a "non-decadent" way to have casual sex? Of course, your contention with casual sex on legal grounds aren't issues with the concept of casual sex itself, but rather the legal context for which you have it in, which isn't really the discussion here.
>Because you wouldn't exist if your forefathers didn't procreate
This doesn't really answer the question though. Why is every individual obligated to procreate? I don't necessarily have anything against procreation, but you have yet to give a valid justification. Is it because our forefathers did it? Does that mean we are obligated to follow the footsteps of our ancestors? In that case, most of the people on this board, including you and me, have probably failed, unless there is some point at which a line is drawn. But how can we determine such a line? The only other alternative would be that you mean we are obligated to follow our biological instincts, but if this is the case, how can we justify most of our activities? How can we justify this conversation? It doesn't serve the evolutionary purpose of procreation. What purpose do laws and regulations, right and wrong, "degenerate" and acceptable serve? If they serve an evolutionary purpose by constructing groups, then you concede that the laws keeping you from engaging in casual sex by risking false rape allegations are justifiable. Indeed, how is it possible to distinguish between whether "degenerate" or "non-degenerate" activities are favorable if both are ultimately equally ambiguous in their ability to aid procreation? What scale can we use to even examine socials systems for the purpose of determining which one best fits our biological purpose? In fact, what is our biological purpose? Is it only for the individual to procreate, or is it in a broader sense, such as aiding the tribe? If it’s the former, then no law is justifiable, and there is no virtue or degeneracy, and there is no reason not to refrain from fapping. If it’s the latter, then discouraging the sexual drive may be beneficial to the group for members who shouldn’t pass on their genes. Furthermore, why must we submit to our biological purpose at all? Is the sociopath obligated to kill? Is the rapist obligated to rape? Is the depressed person obligated to commit suicide? If not, why then isn’t someone not obligated to masturbate? If you say that these examples of behavior are beyond the scope of biology and thus not judged by their "biological purpose," then how is masturbation any different? How is any behavior any different? I see no reason why an individual is obligated to adhere to their biology if they can examine and discard it as wrong.
>Letting off some steam
This is our biggest point of contention with each other, I think, as I don't see why it's necessary to masturbate at all, but rather see it as a choice. Given, there is probably some medical evidence that you could point me to, but rather than start another round of poorly researched shit-flinging and speculation (like every other thread on here), I think it would be better to provide an argument on philosophical grounds; after all, judging from your argument, your case seems to be a philosophical one against masturbation, even if it seems to reflect the materialism trending in modern thought. So then, why should I fap?
Also, what does degeneracy mean? Serious question. I always see people use the term, but the meaning is never consistent.
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No.2854
>>2849
Also
>What helps you restore your willpower?
It seems to restore itself in a way, separate of whether I fap or not. I kind of agree with you in that case, in that willpower being drained by fapping is most likely a placebo. If anything I think it would most likely be the other way around, in that you resist fapping less if you have less willpower. Then again, I don't have any evidence for this.
Maybe a better question is what even is willpower? What gives the capacity for it?
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No.2857
>>2853
Degeneracy does have a vague meaning, but in a holistic sense, I use it to refer to a practice that damages how society as a whole functions. This can refer to behaviors that are carried out by individuals that have larger implications in long term effects.
The thing about "letting off steam" is that you won't be thirsty as hell and lowering your standards. Having control over your libido will allow you to select a better mate instead of chasing after low-quality meat (to use vulgar terms).
If you don't want to procreate, that is your choice. You reap what you sow in that case.
Not sure if the depth of that will sink into your teenage brain though.
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No.2858
>>2853
>Why should I fap?
The only "should" I have in my argumentation is that we should be allowed to choose for ourselves whether or not we control our libido and how.
Being sexually starved degrades your reasoning. Letting off some steam allows you to have patience and a clear mind instead of being reduced to impulsive pursuits.
I'm not saying everyone should masturbate.
I just disagree with the conceptualization this community has on sexuality.
What is your view on sexuality? Never having sex ever? Having casual sex is something to actively seek out?
I think factors like having a healthy circle of friends and managing a proper diet and exercise regimen contribute to holistic health whereas the alleged benefits of no-fap are hearsay.
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No.2859
>>2858
Really? I give you scientific proof that NoFap is helpful, and you turn around and say that any benefits reported from nofap are hearsay.
You remind me of those anti vaxxers that deny the truth just so they can feel better about themselves.
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No.2862
>>2821
This logic is fucking annoying. You can live without sex. If you can't I would seriously recommend sex addiction rehab. You don't need a "viable alternative".
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No.2863
>>2859
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what evidence is. I'm glad people like you won't procreate. Your ilk must die off for the betterment of humanity.
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No.2864
>>2859
>thinking vaccines are ok
filtered
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No.2865
>>2863
Never said I'm anti sex. I just believe that it's best to wait until marriage for it.
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No.2866
>>2863
I was talking about >>2852 you idiot.
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No.2880
Got shit fetishes. Heard nofap gets rid of shit fetishes. Decided to try it.
Relapsed several times, but never to the shit fetish. Thought I was cured. Trump elections /pol/ raids happened, caused brain to remember shit fetish and had a wet dream, so I'm back into nofap.
Working thus far.
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No.2881
I have both OCD and Hoarder mentality so it makes it really stressful seeing all the millions of vids unsorted but it would take me years to do that so I wish I could rather stop
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No.3029
I don't really enjoy it, and I always feel terrible for the next couple of days afterwords
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No.3036
there is literally no proof for no fap other than a couple of jews
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No.3061
I got the idea from /fringe/ and they're a lot cooler than this board
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No.3062
>Vaccines are good for you
>Addiction to fapping is fine
You guys
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No.3070
>>3062
I've never had an addiction to fapping. I fully acknowledge that a certain line can be crossed when fapping interferes with other aspects of daily functioning.
I never said that an addiction to fapping was fine. I just think you demonize the act unnecessarily, like abolitionists trying to say a cup of wine only tempts the soul to the devil or some similar rubbish.
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No.3075
>>3070 we can demonize whatever the fuck we want and if you don't like it you can shove a 9 inch dildo up your ass
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No.3082
>>3070
>I never said that an addiction to fapping was fine
>I just think you demonize the act unnecessarily
You can't cure an addiction with moderation. You have to stop the behavior entirely. Demonizing the act is necessary.
>So what if you're an alcoholic? Drinking won't kill you lol, stop saying that drinking is bad, you're just demonizing it like some puritan freak!! I have a beer once a week and I'm totally fine!
That's your argument.
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No.3084
>>3075
Don't argue with idiots. They'll bring you to their level and beat you with experience.
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No.3251
Even though I am religous, I dont do it because of my religion.
Fapping itself is not the issue, but the amount of time I spend in front of my computer relates to the amount I fap.
The less I fap, the less time I spend on my computer (even video games)
I want to be more active outside my apartment and not just play video games for hours because I dont know what I want to do.
I want to play video games, because I like them.
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No.3276
>>2787
Focusing my will into what I want. It could be anything really. Why not test this? Also the possibilty of totally reprogramming arousal/ reward into an actual woman rather than a picture of one (or an avatar of my ideal woman with the case of imagination) is extremely desirable. The implications of my success here would encourage me in the changing of other aspects of my life. The cost is minimal. The journey is difficult. The reward is worth its suffering.
>>2859
>anti vaxxers that deny the truth
C'mon, anon! You should know better!
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No.3278
>>3276
Yeah because tetanus is so fun to have, obviously.
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No.3283
>>3278
I'd make an exception for tetanus and a few others actually.
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No.5930
>>2840
Not him but I agree with mastering your urges.
>Also, is 'fucking a shallow bitch' really just a source of validation
I'm struggling with this because I feel immense peer pressure to lose my virginity. I can't stop being reminded that I'm less of man and I am missing out/wasting my youth by not fucking bar sluts etc.
I refuse to get into a relationship with a non virgin because I want sex to be something more than "juicing my brain". Years of fapping have been pleasurable but incredibly lonely and depressing. Also a huge time waster. I feel as though it has been a huge waste of time.
However, I am a recently new christian who is asking God to help me nofap. I am struggling with the thought of no sex until marriage and these lustful feelings. But when I look deeper and think about it, they all come from insecurities and loneliness. I know for a fact a gf isn't going to make me happy (I have an internet friend I just met who is up for a fwb and we have phone sexed a couple of times. But both times have made me depressed that she isn't physically here and that I don't love her.) Only I can make me happy. Hedonism doesn't make me happy (Pornography has told me that) and I refuse to hire a hooker out of principle. Furthermore, I have gone 2 weeks before without orgasming (made up word) whereas I have gone a day feeling like my cock is about to explode, overwhelmed with lust.
Therefore it is reasonable to assume that casual sex is a mental illness and participants are seeking validation from another. There comes a time (as we all know from our experiences with pornography) where they will feel utterly lonely. And then wonder why they can't get married. (And so ridicule those who seek a virgin wife, saying that the "past is the past")
Sorry but it's been in my head all day. Trying to justify not sleeping around or settling for a slut. (because I do believe it's the best I can get) (but also I want to improve and she enables my degenerate fetishes) (But she is a good person nonetheless, just not someone I want to be in a relationship with)
Besides all the STD's you will probably get from fucking around, it won't make you happy. I know this for a fact. Pleasure alone does not make one happy. If you had a button strapped to your head that gave you a rush of dopamine every time you pressed it, would you stay happy forever?
Plus, casual sex I think tarnishes sex. As in, it makes sex less special.
Yeah that and although I'm a virgin (by choice now since I want to do it with someone I love deeply and spend the rest of my life with) I do think I would be a sex addict.
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No.5935
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No.5939
>>2801
Ah, yes, I remember the last time I blew my load to a picture of a woman I instantly knew how the fuck to pronounce the -eaux suffix.
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No.5942
the reason i do it is to be myself rather than falling into what society says is "correct". If society says something is "correct" besides killing people or poisoning the water supply you dont have to believe them
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No.5945
>>2789
>watching porn in the shower
how do you manage that
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No.5959
>>2788
this
also
>hitler dubs
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No.9245
>>2787
I don't know if its a religious reason but I am an anitnatalist so in that context I personally regard my sexuality as entirely extraneous and worthless. I'd rather that I would have no sexual urges so the least I can do is deny them.
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No.9310
>>2788
That's the thing about a placebo: it could be most innocuous things and it would make you /feel/ the same way.
>>2787
NoFap is primarily a movement based on pseudoscience and myth. When you remove reasons based on the former, there are very few reasons to do it. The only sane reason to engage in no fap is to build up semen for impending sexual activity.
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No.9313
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No.9315
I do it to empower myself to manipulate this timeline. BTW Le Pen wins…..
Also Saudi Arabia is glass December 2018
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No.9317
Not so much religious, but philosophical.
Whenever I stick to stoicism, my life generally improves.
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No.9337
NoFap is the reason why I became religious.
Secular life does not require to set life standards. Unless you can set them themselves and muster sufficient willpower to carry out your goals, which in my case I could not. After two years of failing in all aspects of my life, due to mental as well as physical masturbation, I submitted before our Lord Jesus. I felt defeated in the same way Emperor Julian was as he proclaimed: "You have defeated me, Nazarene!"
I used to be rabidly anti-Christian, but who knew that I would come closer to the logos trying to expel degenerate passions.
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No.9338
>>2787
I do it because it makes me more willing to engage with girls and fight for them. Fapping makes me a caged animal.
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No.10805
>>2787
I recover thrice as fast after lifting, my head is clear, studying feels rewarding again.
It makes me feel great, what other reason do I need.
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