No.101171
Not just musically but aesthetically. Whenever someone may talk about something having a "metal vibe" or being "metal", what are they exactly referring to? Most I could think of is that it's about manly things for men. War, Satan, Barbarism. Those are some things that come up to my head, just with the "metal" suffix. But then there is black metal, speed metal, nu-metal, which also have different aesthetics that more or less take some of the previous ideals.
This would need to be talked about.
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No.101173
>>101171
>Most I could think of is that it's about manly things for men. War, Satan, Barbarism
Honestly, it makes me cringe when I hear someone refer to something as "metal". One, because it's such a niche, loose term and two because the people that usually say it are beta incels referring to a subculture of other beta incels. Anyone that calls something, or someone or *themselves* "metal" need to be put up against a wall and shot
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No.101182
>>101173
Reminder that this is literally the only good artist photo on Metal Archives. Literally everyone else has some faggots in leather jackets/corpsepaint, bad live performance photos, or a shot of some skinny fuck in the woods covered with "kvlt" photoshop effects.
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No.101184
i think about how a pain it is to be surrounded by niggercattle
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No.101193
>Whenever someone may talk about something having a "metal vibe" or being "metal"
If it's ironically, like in Metalocalypse, it's okay, I guess. Otherwise, Minecraft fan tier cringe.
>what are they exactly referring to?
Broadly, I'd say manliness/aggression.
>>101182
>tattoos
Gay.
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No.101195
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Aesthetically I think of earthy themes like war, death, sex, rebellion, fear/disgust, and strength. Of the more "refined" ones, I think of nature, melancholy, and remembrance of the past.
Before I listened to metal, I always thought it sounded something like link related about 38 seconds in.
>>101182
Looks as ridiculous as any other band photo on there, tee bee aych.
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No.101204
From my experience, it turns into a "Can I name a more obscure band than you"-contest and it's not about the music anymore.
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No.101205
>>101204
Yeah, the fanbase tend to be contrarians who feel the need to compete over who can take the biggest dumps on anything popular. I'm honestly kind of surprised that younger fans haven't started disowning stuff like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest yet. I often see metalheads playing Talmudic word games so they can pretend that metal stands outside the rock genre.
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No.101206
>>101205
That's quite the interesting topic, because I think it depends on the subgenre and/or artist. I always thought rock as a quite warm and "easy going" genre, so some stuff like Immortal trying to become as cold and harsh as a blizzard or Mütiilation being all about distillating negative emotions seems quite remote from that image to me.
What defines rock, anyway?
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No.101209
>>101206
>That's quite the interesting topic, because I think it depends on the subgenre and/or artist. I always thought rock as a quite warm and "easy going" genre, so some stuff like Immortal trying to become as cold and harsh as a blizzard or Mütiilation being all about distillating negative emotions seems quite remote from that image to me.
I've heard a lot of the old-school black metal guys were into post-punk and that sort of thing, which usually is pretty cold and dark-sounding music compared to most other rock styles. I think they were just taking the dark undercurrents that already existed in extreme metal and then exaggerating them even further.
Abbath actually seems to uses the phrase "rock 'n' roll" in interviews fairly frequently to describe his music. It seems kind of weird to me in that I always associate that with good-time '50s-style music. At least Motorhead came across like a methed-up Chuck Berry at times. Even Venom went pretty bluesy on "Teacher's Pet," but with Immortal you hardly hear any of that.
>What defines rock, anyway?
I'd say rock and roll and the music descended from it. It's become so broad nowadays that it's even hard to define. Almost all rock bands use the guitar-bass-drums setup, but that could also be used for a genre like country. It's usually played in 4/4 time, but that's not necessarily a guarantee, either.
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No.101214
it means hardcore you fucking spergs lmao
>wow that hawk beheading a rodent with it's claws is metal as fuck
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No.101240
>>101214
Is hardcore punk metal by that definition?
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No.101244
>>101204
>>101205
>>101206
You can say the exact same thing about the hipster faggots here who don't listen to metal and try to name drop [obscure artist] that play [obscure indie shit/obscure something-wave] music in an attempt to sound like music connisuers.
Funny when metalfags try to sound knowledgeable about their choice of music it's a bad thing, but when general "music" fans try to sound knowledgeable about obscure shit, it's ok.
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No.101248
>>101244
I don't like either group. They both share the same mentality that obscure music is inherently better than music a lot of people like.
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No.101252
Some of the best metal (been a Hessian since 1997) comes out of unexpected genres. As much I've been into black, doom, trad, osdm, I've been finding tons of slam and goregrind gems.
The big issue I have with its brother genre hardcore punk is everyone supposed to be a "badass" but they're all a bunch of political dogooders. At least there are sectors of metal that don't care about being offensive.
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No.101253
>>101205
They better not disown the Sabs or Priest.
Speaking of underrated albums Black Sabb's "Born Again" is a barn burner of an album but I digress aside from The Ozzy and Dio stuff and that album there with Ian Gillian is what I like of them. Judas Priest is good up until Defenders Of The Faith, and then they also have Painkiller.
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No.101256
>>101248
Obscure music isn't inherently better, but popular music feels like a stepping stone in the search for your "perfect" music. Just like with the obscure band you found, the popular band can also be someones perfect music – but due to it's ease of discovery, a lot of listeners will simply listen to it because they haven't found something more suited for them.
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No.101258
>>101173
>beta incels referring to a subculture of other beta incels.
What fucking hole did you crawl out from, /r/music?
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No.101259
>>101252
>The big issue I have with its brother genre hardcore punk is everyone supposed to be a "badass" but they're all a bunch of political dogooders
Punk has fallen a long ways in this sense. It used to be that punks would wear swastikas and stuff just to get people riled up. I don't know if all the self-righteous leftist fart-huffing can be blamed on The Clash or what, but they put the kibosh on that pretty early on. As much as I like some of the old stuff, the punk scene has long been a bunch of pricks high on their own senses of moral superiority.
>>101253
I really only like a few albums from each band, but I'm afraid there's going to come a point where those groups start getting dismissed as "garbage boomer music" or something along those lines. I've already seen someone wave away Metallica and similar acts as "boomer metal" recently.
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No.101268
>>101259
I'll admit as a 22-year old, I've handwaved Metallica and Priest specifically along with most rock music partially because I associate it with radio rock music and because like most dumbfuck zoomers I had to go "fuck you dad" one way or another
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No.101284
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No.101287
>>101252
When Nu and even Hardcore is more "punk" than Punk, then there was a fault somewhere in that genre. My guess was it has to do with Offspring.
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No.101292
The one thing that annoys me when people talk about metal is when they say something is a metal extrusion when it was in fact produced by continuous casting.
That mostly affects aluminium but also some other metals. (also when Murricans say aloominum when they are trying to say aluminium)
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No.101297
>>101292
What's your take on molybdenum in sword-smithing?
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No.101312
>>101297
However people get their ductile properties I dont judge…
But its mostly gonna give the final alloy heat resistance. Rather than strength.
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No.101314
>>101184
pain is weakness leaving the body
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No.101351
>>101171
Metal is the anime of music art. For edgy elderly boys
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No.101358
tbh i don't discuss music with anyone because i don't want to be associated with degenerate metalheads
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No.101413
>>101171
Metal should be about high ideals and intense feelings, and these should be reflected in the music. Whether it's reverence of nature, warfare and death, or whatever else, it should be extreme in some form, radical, beyond the normal. Julius Evola's quote sums up what should be reflected in good metal.
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No.101427
>>101268
I'm a few years older, but it was the exact opposite for me. I forced myself to embrace a lot of music from the "classic rock" era just to spite the trendy scene stuff that was popular at that point. I realized later on that I pushing myself to be swayed by all the hype about the rock canon rather than evaluating whether or not I actually liked their music. Nowadays I don't listen to all that much rock from the '60s through most of the '70s after realizing I was kind of deceiving myself about where my preferences really lied.
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No.101436
>>101287
It's that degen Cali punk sound, divisions between the coasts. East coast started more of that tough guy hc. West coast just wanted to be surfers
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No.101437
>>101427
Token old guy here but I abandoned rap around the time P. Diddy got huge because wiggers became a thing and they were bullies to me so yeah…still can't get over white trash gold chain wearing assholes and I'm a full blown nazbol now at 36 (will be 37 this month actually) and not find of niggers or wiggers in general. Tyler The Creator is cool though in his own way. New album isn't as good as his old shit but w/e.
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No.101438
>>101259
No Trend and Cultucide were exceptions in the 80s though. Neither group cared about being moral at all but those bands are rare now. And yeah the whole Metallica boomer metal thing is kind of cringe, considering I enjoy the early shit. At least with Cliff.
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No.101439
My dad was more the Led Zep/Allmans kind of guy and my Fuck you to his generation was getting into Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, And Dead Kennedys as a high school kid. Though my dad liked 90s alt rock so eh. Not much of a Fuck you.
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No.101451
>>101437
I tried getting into rap but hardly any of it stuck with me.
>>101438
>No Trend and Cultucide were exceptions in the 80s though. Neither group cared about being moral at all but those bands are rare now.
Big Black was kind of in that category, too. Too bad Steve Albini really seems lie he's wussed out more recently.
>And yeah the whole Metallica boomer metal thing is kind of cringe, considering I enjoy the early shit. At least with Cliff.
I even like a good amount of their post-Cliff stuff, although I don't listen to to it all that much.
Calling them a boomer band just sounds weird to me because they're more in line with Generation X tastes, even if they are technically late boomers. When I think of baby boomer music, I think of blues rock played by guys with mustaches.
>>101439
I was more into giving the finger to people my own age than older people.
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No.101527
>>101451
Steve went full cuck about his hair on his message board. It's just hair. Good god, get over yourself.
>>101451
Most zoomers think anything that has guitars is boomer. Or anything Gen X or Xennial. The meme gets old. Reminds of this doomer Siege fag who said if I hate the boomer meme I am a boomer. So by that logic if I'm not gay it means I really want to suck cock, right?
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No.101646
>>101240
op said aesthetically nigga, most people who describe something as metal would probably say hardcore punk is "metal as fuark bro"
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No.101681
>>101527
>Most zoomers think anything that has guitars is boomer. Or anything Gen X or Xennial. The meme gets old. Reminds of this doomer Siege fag who said if I hate the boomer meme I am a boomer. So by that logic if I'm not gay it means I really want to suck cock, right?
Yeah, the whole thing is more "haha this guy likes music with guitars what a boomer xDD" than anything. The idea of a younger person being a boomer is funny due to being so nonsensical, but it has really worn out its welcome. There are a ton of speds out there now who seem to have unironically started to think that anyone older than them (or who can appreciate things from just a few decades ago) is a boomer. I think I've seen them even call the World War II generation "boomers" before, which makes no sense unless they're somehow their own parents or something.
The meme could have been funny if it was poking fun at actual baby boomers, who really are ripe for the picking when it comes to mockery. Pic related is part of a thread I came across from search engine results a while back ago where the OP did it right.
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No.101684
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No.101685
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No.101724
>>101684
What does this have to do with the thread tho, did you just want to shit up the thread with your shit taste.
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