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The King is dead! Long live the King!

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a61081 No.510

Almost every civilisation has at one point been a monarchy, it is more or less the natural step to take for man once he uplifts himself above barbarism. Yet time and time again monarchy itself is attacked, be it by inner or outer forces.

Pretenders, merchants, everyone with the ambition to break the rules in order to advance his position is a natural enemy of monarchy. Those individuals are however naturally the ones that will aspire to get involved in day to day politics, maybe the only ones even willig to do so. If the monarch is himself entangled in the intrigues of state affairs he will inevitably be target of their conspiracies and given time lose this battle at one point.

Does this mean it is preferable for a monarch to hold an elavated stance above petty politics and not getting involved in it at all? The idea being that no one can blame the Royalty for a worsening situation, or mistakes of the government if the monarch himself is not involved. We have seen in history that the monarchies that have survived for the longest time seem to apply this exact principle. The most prominent example being Japan and Great Britain. After WWI the monarchies who gave their monarchs a prominent position in state affairs were abolished, while those who reduced their function to a basically ceremonial level survived.

Is this observation false? Is a monarchy like this still worth it or no 'true' monarchy at all?

a61081 No.513

>>510

I think the key of any monarchy is the monarch having a quality of prudence that tells him when to act and when not to act. The problem we moderns often have when looking at the monarchies of the past is that we may always be coming at each individual monarchy with the biases of a libertarian or authoritarian perspective. That is to say that we want the monarchy to fit neatly into our ideological frameworks.

Both the advocates and the enemies of monarchism can often suffer from this way of thinking, which prevents us from looking at each monarchy individually in the context of its civilization or environment.

When socialism was very popular among intellectuals in the 20th century, there was a tendency to look back at old civilizations and label them "socialist". Even Marx himself used terms such as "primitive communism". For example, the structure of Incan civilization was of great interest to socialist intellectuals who saw the communitarian policies of the Incan empire as prototype for socialism, as a sign of great progress. But this greatly ignored the aristocratic and religious character of Incan society which might clash with this image of Incan socialism intellectuals had, but certainly was no contradiction for the Incans who structured their civilization according to their environmental and immediate practical needs and according to their understanding of the structure of the metaphysical kingdom of their gods.

When we look at past monarchies, we must keep in mind that monarchy acted according to a totally different framework than many of our modern ideologies, including many of those ideologies that monarchists themselves might follow, and so we may see that where the monarch held direct power and where he did not often varied from dynasty to dynasty and civilization to civilization. It is a matter of whether a monarch has power where he needs to have power at the present moment in his particular context or can assume power when it is necessary for him to do so, and whether he knows when to stay his hand and leave responsibilities to other subjects more capable than himself

As monarchists, I'm not sure if we should focus quite so much on whether a monarch with many direct powers or little direct powers is preferable, but rather it might be more fruitful to focus somewhat more on the justifications for any sort of power, big or small.


a61081 No.520

I think the key observation regarding the fall of monarchies is the fall of religion. Those countries where there was not a large, homogeneous religious culture are those in which monarchism has failed; and the converse is true as well. I sincerely doubt that Queen Elizabeth would hold her ceremonial role were it not for the Anglican church, that Liechtenstein would expand Hans-Adam's power were it not for the power of the church in Liechtenstein, that Japan would still have its emperor were it not for his status as the head of Shintoism.

I also do like your observation. The instinct to blame someone else for their problems makes it difficult for a centralized authority to survive in.

I feel like there should be a way that the two observations are inherently connected…but I've been leaving your post a while and could not think of why…




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