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No.97
How does /loomis/ feel about this? This may seem to have more to do with modern art as a whole, but as this board has to do with visual art and design I thought you might be interested in seeing this.
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No.98
I feel the same way as the video's creator. Some "modern art" can have a raw aesthetic quality that I appreciate, but beyond that it's not something I have any affinity or respect for.
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No.99
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No.107
>>99That'a also my problem with modern art. You can't voice a criticizing opinion without being called ignorant.
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No.116
>>107If you got it you would understand why not liking it is really bottom-feeder tier.
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No.119
Modern arts are shit, in my opinion. I love the fact that I got repeatedly accused of being uneducated for disliking modern art (You should educate yourself before commenting that sort of stuffs). That and also I'm in STEM so I can't comprehend the complexities of Modern Art.
I mean, what does a completely white painting say anyway?
I do wonder what course he teaches because that apron he shown sure as Hell doesn't look like any work by Jackson Pollock. I can't believe art students can't recognise a Bollock Pollock.
I think what we all most outraged about is how much money these modern artists are making.
Just look at a Sotheby's auction if you want to feel bad about the future of Art.
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No.120
>>98Please don't link to Gawker
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No.121
>>120I don't know what Gawker's assets are, I'm sorry. I
just didn't know!
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No.122
>>119That's all they have to fall back on
"you're not 'educated'" (brainwashed)
The plurality of abstract art is contemptible garbage propped up by sycophants with superiority complexes.
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No.128
>>116If I got what?
>>119I think most of mainstream modern art as the same validity as memes as used in the *chan culture. Powerful in a social/cultural sense, but I hesitate to call them art.
I think a lot of art circles rush to call shit works art based on really shaky arguments, shielded on a call to authority.
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No.144
all of those people are highly narcissistic and part of a 'scene' they sell themselves as much as the art (or try to)
there is nothing to understand here but what amounts to inner jokes.
so can't appreciate modern art = not part of the inner circle = philistine
I call bullshit outsource your signal is my noise.
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No.145
>>144since*
some weird auto correction is on, also modern tech trinkets are a plague and wasted potential.
and no I don't need to have perfect english its my 3rd language.
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No.152
>>144This. It's pretty pathetic. All they have is petty insults for their critics. "You just don't get it, bruh". "Muh colors". "Muh expression".
It's shit.
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No.159
I think you guys will like this:
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No.167
>>159Just spent an hour watching this, I don't know quite what to say other than thank you.
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No.172
>>159>BBCThank you, British taxpayers.
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No.183
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No.191
>>159For the most part I really like that documentary. Art really used to be a transcendent thing. Now that just about everything's been done all we can really do is either be shit smearing modern art degenerates or commercial and independent artists that draw rockin' tits, badass warriors and space ships for fun and profit. I know what side of the fence I'm on.
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No.192
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No.195
Here's a site you guys might be interested in
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No.196
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No.199
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No.208
>>199Yeah, I was introduced to it around 2013. Really gud stuff
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No.209
>>208>tfw you will never attend an ARC atelier Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.218
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.htmlFor decades in art circles it was either a rumour or a joke, but now it is confirmed as a fact. The Central Intelligence Agency used American modern art - including the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem de Kooning and Mark Rothko - as a weapon in the Cold War. In the manner of a Renaissance prince - except that it acted secretly - the CIA fostered and promoted American Abstract Expressionist painting around the world for more than 20 years.
The connection is improbable. This was a period, in the 1950s and 1960s, when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art - President Truman summed up the popular view when he said: "If that's art, then I'm a Hottentot." As for the artists themselves, many were ex- communists barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive US government backing.
Why did the CIA support them? Because in the propaganda war with the Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US. Russian art, strapped into the communist ideological straitjacket, could not compete.
The existence of this policy, rumoured and disputed for many years, has now been confirmed for the first time by former CIA officials. Unknown to the artists, the new American art was secretly promoted under a policy known as the "long leash" - arrangements similar in some ways to the indirect CIA backing of the journal Encounter, edited by Stephen Spender.
The decision to include culture and art in the US Cold War arsenal was taken as soon as the CIA was founded in 1947. Dismayed at the appeal communism still had for many intellectuals and artists in the West, the new agency set up a division, the Propaganda Assets Inventory, which at its peak could influence more than 800 newspapers, magazines and public information organisations. They joked that it was like a Wurlitzer jukebox: when the CIA pushed a button it could hear whatever tune it wanted playing across the world.
The next key step came in 1950, when the International Organisations Division (IOD) was set up under Tom Braden. It was this office which subsidised the animated version of George Orwell's Animal Farm, which sponsored American jazz artists, opera recitals, the Boston Symphony Orchestra's international touring programme. Its agents were placed in the film industry, in publishing houses, even as travel writers for the celebrated Fodor guides. And, we now know, it promoted America's anarchic avant-garde movement, Abstract Expressionism.
Initially, more open attempts were made to support the new American art. In 1947 the State Department organised and paid for a touring international exhibition entitled "Advancing American Art", with the aim of rebutting Soviet suggestions that America was a cultural desert. But the show caused outrage at home, prompting Truman to make his Hottentot remark and one bitter congressman to declare: "I am just a dumb American who pays taxes for this kind of trash." The tour had to be cancelled.
The US government now faced a dilemma. This philistinism, combined with Joseph McCarthy's hysterical denunciations of all that was avant-garde or unorthodox, was deeply embarrassing. It discredited the idea that America was a sophisticated, culturally rich democracy. It also prevented the US government from consolidating the shift in cultural supremacy from Paris to New York since the 1930s. To resolve this dilemma, the CIA was brought in.
The connection is not quite as odd as it might appear. At this time the new agency, staffed mainly by Yale and Harvard graduates, many of whom collected art and wrote novels in their spare time, was a haven of liberalism when compared with a political world dominated by McCarthy or with J Edgar Hoover's FBI. If any official institution was in a position to celebrate the collection of Leninists, Trotskyites and heavy drinkers that made up the New York School, it was the CIA.
Until now there has been no first-hand evidence to prove that this connection was made, but for the first time a former case officer, Donald Jameson, has broken the silence. Yes, he says, the agency saw Abstract Expressionism as an opportunity, and yes, it ran with it.
"Regarding Abstract Expressionism, I'd love to be able to say that the CIA invented it just to see what happens in New York and downtown SoHo tomorrow!" he joked. "But I think that what we did really was to recognise the difference. It was recognised that Abstract Expression- ism was the kind of art that made Socialist Realism look even more stylised and more rigid and confined than it was. And that relationship was exploited in some of the exhibitions.
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No.228
There's a difference between "aesthetics" and the "philosophy of art"
Most modern art isn't trying to be beautiful. Most of the time they're just making a statement.
Traditional art focuses on delivering an aesthetic experience. You have to see the piece in order to enjoy it.
Some of the essays written on modern art are pretty interesting. Most of the art itself though I do not enjoy.
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No.231
>>228>some of the essaysThat's the thing though, it's all useless narrative that has nothing to do with the art itself. The peripheral narrative is basically psychological warfare meant to dupe the audience.
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No.232
>>231B-b-but muh intellectualism…
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No.233
>>232I understand. The mental gymnastics used to promote modern art are almost poetic in a way.
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No.237
I like a bunch of modern and contemporary artists.
I think many of the ones that say they don't like it. Don't even know 10 artists after 1950
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No.238
>>237>Don't even know 10 artists after 1950On top of my head:
Damien Hirst, Jeff Koon, Raschenburg, Jasper Johns, Roy Lichtenstein, Andy Warhol, Paula Rego, James Rosenquist, Sol Lewitt, Carl Andre, Willem de Kooning
And Adolf Hitler but he's 1940's.
Protip: Try to Google for Willem de Kooning's painting for rage.
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No.239
>>238You don't like linchestein and Warhol?
What you don't like about them.
Sol lewits have some cool sculptures btw.
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No.240
>>237>I think many of the ones that say they don't like it. Don't even know 10 artists after 1950That the "art community", media and educational institutions are only concerned with who can make the most unintelligible piece of garbage is the
problem. You're aware of a bunch of popular frauds? Good for you.
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No.241
>>239Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your statement
>"I think many of the ones that say they don't like it. Don't even know 10 artists after 1950"means
>"I think people who don't like contemporary artists don't even know 10 artists after 1950"Well, now that's out of the way.
I don't like.
Hirst (If I want to be scared by an animal, I'd go to a zoo)
Koons (I really don't understand what he's trying to say through his work)
Lichtenstein (I don't understand the need to balloon a couple of comic panels to painting size and call it art)
Carl Andre (That pile of bricks)
Willem de Kooning (One of those abstract "too deep 4 me" painter)
Sol Lewitt's works are kind of neat, I admit.
I don't understand why Warhol is good. Especially since his work can be easily reproduced. Just Google Image a famous person and you got an approximation of Warhol's work.
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No.242
>>241>all that disgusting light and shadow playing off of Obama's leathery hideUnless you learn to apply a color filter and mute the contrast of those photographs you'll never make it in this town, kid
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No.243
>>240Sorry sir.
>>241Even the way Warhol did his works are comercial, thats one of his points.
Linchestein I find it fun, using a comic panel to make a work of art on itself.
Is it me or 8chan images are slow to load?
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No.246
>>243>Is it me or 8chan images are slow to load?According to the admin, we're being attacked by a group of people who are doing it for free.
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No.248
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>>246Oh.
Is there any other board about art that's more active?
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No.251
>>248All of the art boards on 8chan are dead, post rate wise. There are others with more active content, but their posters basically abandoned their respective boards.
Thanks for your patience with this board, guys. I'm still thinking of ways I can get lure a healthy userbase here but I've been inexplicably busy irl too. Shit's whack yo
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No.260
>>243>Sorry sirNo,
I'm sorry; I was kind of being an asshole, and your point is actually better than I gave it credit for the first time around. "How can I say I don't like something when I don't even know what's out there?"
That said, after having broadened my horizons with less "mainstream" characters even just a little bit I have to say my opinions haven't changed in the slightest, however, if you like something I don't that doesn't mean I have to be a Flippant Freddy about it either. I just get triggered by the whole thing for whatever reason.
I still feel as I've said before that some of this type of art can be quite aesthetic-but I just absolutely refuse to entertain the cloying pretentious narratives that often accompany them.
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No.270
>>191seems like heidegger bitching
>>97I think he's full of shit and bitching incessantly. And yes, a hell of a lot of modern art is self promotion/wankery but that doesnt mean 'old art' was better
(i enjoy my spaceships and science fiction and anime weeb shit and alternate history thank you very much)
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No.273
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Old art was better though, even if you find the subject matter vapid at least there was effort expended and a genuine sense of craft. New art is either incomprehensible or just deliberately repugnant more often than not; wankery is a perfect way to describe it.
If the proliferation of this nonrepresentational art (be it loud, tasteless painting or a bizarre performance such as this
http://youtu.be/o99cUXf0eWI?t=3m30s) has taught us anything, it's that the pen is mightier, always. Why bother to learn to paint or sculpt or do any kind of art at a high level at all? Any loony can just write an extravagant essay on why his eccentric painting or display makes some profound revelation and he is actually taken seriously by enough people to be vindicated in the end.
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No.274
>>273The trouble I have is with many of "types" of art, one of them is performance art and installation art. It can get pretty weird
>>260no problem bro.
Many just wanted to be aesthetically pleasant, like Frankenthaler, or Ronnie Landfield, which I really like.
Just because the colours are pretty.
>pic related, 2 Landfield's and 1 Rothko.Imaging being in front of it.
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No.282
>>251fuck do some sketch competition thing like someone posts a figure photo and anons have X number of minutes to sketch it and post it in the thread
or like some weekly webcam fuckery where you all are painting shit and chatting
im not an artist but I've still favorited this board and check it from time to time
if you stroke it they will cum
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No.283
>>282This. A live discussion of art, were we post some paintings and sculptures, would be based.
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No.285
>>282I mean that's not a bad idea but I think we only have like 3 or 4 people here at the moment. Something like that's as simple as a thread. I just need to find a way to shill on every other popular board as hard as I can without bringing the heat down on my ass.
>>283>Lichtensteinpls no
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No.286
As I'd alluded to in the past I'd like to hold a cash prize contest and shill it here, on 4chan and reddit but the logistics of the whole thing is a little fuzzy to me as it stands.
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No.292
>>286>>285But what would be the contest based on?
the one who memorise more paintings? the one who says that contemporary art is done thanks to the Joos more? the one who says degeneracy more?
I've trying to find subreddit that have meaningful art discussion and I've not suceeded.
Also
LICHTENSTEIN SCULTURES ARE GOAT
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No.293
>>292It would be an art contest, not an essay so I don't know how it would be any of that stuff you said, lol.
Drawing, sculpting, carving, whatever; It's all good with me nigga~
Ideally I'd like to do a few categories but that would probably get expensive. I'm probably going to do $200 for first place, $100 for second place and $50 for third place. I don't think I can dilute it any more than that but I can't really afford to do any more than that either if you know what I mean.
>LICHTENSTEIN SCULTURES ARE GOATFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~
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No.295
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>>293Is the one who can make the best piece of art? like, people have to create their own stuff?
Or is about posting and talking about it?
Don't worry too much on the money, thats a lot, a least for me.
well if you don't like Lichtenstein sculptures, what do you think of Cai Guo Qiang?
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No.296
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>>295>>293oh i forgot. Do you know any other place on the interwebz to talk about art and stuff?
MAYBE WITH SOMEONE WHO LIKES LICHTENSTEIN
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No.297
>>292>>241>>285
>LichtensteinI like his work. Like all POP artist they tried to show that there were good astetheic in ordinary objects inetad of lookking them in exotic landscaped. Like the soupcans by Warhol.
Look at this Lichtenstein. Its awesome.
>de KonningWell I think the same think.
>KoonsI though the same look you before. But today I learned that the sculptures he made were made of STEEL. That's incredible. Look at pic related It appears to me as it is some form of balloon, but is steel.
>>293Can it be Post-Modern?
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No.298
>>295>Is the one who can make the best piece of art? like, people have to create their own stuff?Or is about posting and talking about it?
Creation of original works of course. The problem is how I'm going to determine what deserves to win. I was thinking that voting would be fine but I need a way to keep the process legit. I was thinking of having people send in a simple doodle of anything they feel like on a piece of paper with "8chan.co/loomis" written on it so people with proxies aren't able to muddle the process too much.
>Cai Guo QiangThat's actually a very impressive sculpture and it makes me laugh too; I've seen that before and I do like it. It's silly, unpretentious and a lot of craftsmanship went into its creation.
>>296AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Also no I don't
>>297To be honest I'm torn because I don't necessarily
want to disallow that sort of thing, but there will be a definite and specific theme that is yet to be determined.
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No.302
>>298Can it be Conceptual art?
>Pic 1: Bits & Pieces Put Together to Present a Semblance of a Whole by Lawrence Weiner>Pic 2: by Jacek Tylicki "Give if you can - Take if you have to" Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.303
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No.304
>>298And it would be rigged. Theres money involved.
You could create a cool website and recieve summons, and you decide who goes to the website "museum". No money price tho.
Promote the hell out of it,and you would have a cool page.
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No.325
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No.326
>tfw no human female gf
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No.328
>>298Any updates of this?
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No.329
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No.344
Vimeo embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Because they aren't artists.
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No.359
>>329hurry bitch
>>344poop video
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No.362
>>359Sorry man damn shit's just been going down dawg gnomesaiyan?
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No.371
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No.378
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No.381
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No.429
>>362nigga youre slow as fuck
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No.430
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No.431
>>429Hopefully you've at least been drawing this whole time. I have been, I've filled two sketchbooks (not that it's made me a master or whatever but I did improve ever so slightly). For some reason pulling the trigger on promoting this board has been really difficult. Part of it was all the down time that was happening; while it's since been alleviated it reminded me how fragile this place is and how a website that allows raiding can easily be raided back. Now that this place hasn't been dicked with in a while though I feel my ambition to support the board returning. I don't know if any 8ch inter-website promotion will work. All of the other art boards are pretty much dead (not completely like this one, but relatively speaking).
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No.435
>>159Feels like I got sucker punched right in the soul.
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No.456
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No.458
>>456Yeah /art/ is a bit more active. All the art boards are pretty dead but this one definitely needs to dig itself out of the grave at this point.
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No.459
>>192But… that sculpture is hilarious.
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No.463
>>459That's literally how ALL art is though these days, it's not hilarious when half the sculptures, photographs and paintings are of an obscene nature. It's boring as fuck.
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No.586
>>293>>298>>304I second no monetary awards.
A museum of /loomis/ website for contest winners is a good idea.
Another interesting thing to do, would be putting best images to a board background. Just put them towards the right, so they can be seen while viewing threads.
>>431Have you tried
>>>/boards/ ?
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No.587
>>431Another good place to poke around are drawthreads on /v/, /a/, /b/, /co/ and other busy boards that have them.
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No.588
>>586yeah I had second thoughts on monetary awards almost immediately just because of the logistics involved and the inevitable disingenuous shysters it would attract. I don't really know how to attract people without bribing them though. I'm considering making an animation but that will take a lot of time.
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No.589
>>586I suspect that /boards/ is only browsed by other board owners if not entirely than certainly almost entirely
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No.590
You just reminded me of this
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No.591
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No.613
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>>97>Puts the worst examples of modern art created by hacks of the last 30 years against the art canon selected over 600+ years.>Only judges based on the criteria of dead Italians, and refuses to accept any emotions he doesn't like.>As you can obviously see, modern art is valueless.>mfw Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.614
>>613Some modern art can have a raw aesthetic appeal but beyond that it's totally shitty the plurality of the time (and unlike shitty representational art, doesn't get called out for it). Gustav Klimt is an outlier as he incorporates real (though flat and primitive) drawing into his intricate patterns which is more than can be said for the likes of mouth breathers such as Pollock, Rothko, Hundertwasser etc.
tl;dr You're cherry-picking here too, man.
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No.617
>>614There's nothing to cherry pick, some artists can create great art with modern styles, and many emotions can best be conveyed with abstract imagery, but the majority don't. Hopefully in the distant future there will be an official canon of modern art that is nearly as diverse and interesting as the one before it.
Also, I hate the argument that because a painting is simple or "primitive" it is inherently worse. Artists aren't jugglers, it is a question of expression not skill.
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No.618
>>617I wasn't intentionally using "primitive" as an insult, in fact I think Klimt generally exudes a sort of charm like that of the old world renaissance art. That said I maintain that an artist of higher skill is capable of higher expression than a finger painter. I can't find them right now but if I recall John Berkey for example has some very aesthetic abstract art to compliment his ebic spaceship portfolio.
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No.619
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No.2981
>>218
So once again, the CIA fucked everything up for everyone. Great.
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