Capitalism is better for the lazy and the NEETs

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Capitalism is better for the lazy and the NEETs Anonymous 02/08/19 (Fri) 13:27:17 No.97627

A terrible misunderstanding that I see happening again and again is that socialism is for lazy people and the free-market is for the hard working ones.

This is false and very bad for the pro-free-market propaganda.

Let's be honest: while you may be in love with slaving away most of your day, a lot of people aren't. These people have as much a say as you in how life should be lived.

The problem is that a lot of free-market propaganda usually goes against NEETs and people who don't want to work hard. How often we see free-market people ranting against those lazy leftists? Yet, if anything, a lazy person has much more chances to find a way to live his preferred lifestyle under a free-market than under socialism.

Let's see why.

Under socialism prices of basic goods are set by the State, so one has to work a fixed amount of hours in order to get them. When they aren't, their price is always higher than it would be under free-market because the allocation of resources is suboptimal and it's also affected by sales and other taxes needed for welfare and the central plan.

The welfare is never distributed across all people but just certain categories and in many different form. It almost never happens under socialism than a person who doesn't want to work is allowed to do so if he isn't part of an heavily protected category.

Under socialism one is eventually called to do "his part" and get a job. This means that, with slighty difference based on how socialism is realized, one is forced to get the job that the central planners offer him via the job centre or face the losing different form of welfare. There is also a very limited choice in which job to get, since under socialism one has to possess certifications and licenses before accessing certain kind of jobs. There are also always limits in the kind of contracts and work conditions and arrangements that can be made for the worker. This is decided by the central planners for "the good of the workers", but in practice it means that an employer must always offer an 8-hour-day job to someone and the employee is forced to accept due to the unfree-market conditions or other laws.

Under socialism there is also no respect for private property and savings. You can't really plan to work for some years and then retire, because the State doesn't let you to hold on your private property for long. You are either not authorized to have private property, or maybe the socialist State will ask you so many taxes that you will slowly lose your money and be forced to work again, just to pay them. Let's not forget how the value of the currency erodes fast under repeating rounds of quantitative easing.

The reality is that socialism is slavery for everyone. It's under socialism that someone will be a slave, because under socialism you're forced to live the lifestyle that the central planners have in mind, not the lifestyle we choose. And not by coincidence, this lifestyle requires a lot of hard daily work for a lousy pay. After all a worker is not only working to sustain himself but also the whole community and the numerous inefficiencies of the market.

Anonymous 02/08/19 (Fri) 13:29:02 No.97628

>>97627

What about the free market instead?

The free market can be a paradise for NEETs and lazy people.

Of course they do need to put some work, if they're not those lucky enough to win a lottery or get a inheritance.

But the work they put must only amount to what they need to cover for their lifestyle.

They don't have to slave away their day because they need to pay property taxes. The bill for electricity isn't made of 50% taxes. They don't have to pay for some weird, inefficient, social program with their income taxes. What a lazy person earn, he can keep.

Not only that, but when the lazy person works he can choose how to arrange his working conditions freely. Maybe he wants to work 12 hour a day for 30 days instead of 8 hour a day for 45 days, and get 15 days of straight rest. Or maybe he wants to be an eternal part-timer. Or maybe he is capable of perfoming a specific task that is well paid but under socialism would require 3 years of school in order to get the proper license. Who knows. There are infinite ways of arranging the way one works under the free market that nobody has to worry where the next paycheck comes.

There is also so much growth and goods available under the free market that many delicacies and services that would made a medieval king jealous are available for cheap. It may be possible to not work at all and still fill the stomach just out of free samples or old food that is good but undesidered due to the sheer abudance of goods in society.

Of course the NEETs and the lazy won't be able to live in homes facing the beach (not everyone of them), nor they will be able to have the latest gadget or the best car. But will they live a life deprived of the basic material necessity? They won't, instead they will live a life full of freedom and opportunities.

There is no reason to lose the support of the lazy and the NEETs, because under free-market they will have a better quality of life and more freedom to pursue a lifestyle that benefits them.

It is under socialism that the NEETs have to worry. While there may be promises of better working conditions and free stuff, this cannot be mantained and we know have never been mantained. Instead one find himself forced to constantly slave away his day, working in conditions that are arbitrary and illogical, in order to frantically chase the few goods available or a way to pay some new taxes.

So, let's stop making enemies among natural allies and get some support from the NEETs and the lazy.

Anonymous 02/08/19 (Fri) 14:59:47 No.97629

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism_(social_offense)#Soviet_Union

Every pro-NEET communist I've shown this to has just waved their hands and claimed that tit wouldn't happen under "true communism".

Anonymous 02/08/19 (Fri) 17:32:16 No.97634

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I've thought the same thing recently. Plus I'm pretty sure Ancap is the only path to the so-called "automated luxury space communism" which is top NEETdom (and in my opinion, top Humanity).

I'm not sure how necessary this thread is, since I'm not sure how many people here are concerned with those damned social parasites. If the system works like it's supposed to, you don't need to worry about people not wanting to work. You don't need to worry about them now, either. All you need to worry about are those psychopathic socialists who think that it's morally right to murder people and steal their shit because somehow you're going to build a perfect future on it.

Anonymous 02/08/19 (Fri) 17:43:26 No.97635

>>97634

it's an invite to remember to make libertarian propaganda among NEETs and any person who complain about how hard he's working

>>97629

yeah, and how come that the more you get closer to true communism the more things go to shit, when instead the more you get closer to the free market the more things get better?

Anonymous 02/09/19 (Sat) 03:00:51 No.97674

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>>97627

No, it's not wrong to say socialism is for lazy people. Capitalism is indeed better for lazy people/NEETs because it gives them more opportunities to be lazy NEETs as I'm sure you've written below, however it doesn't provide the safety nets that socialism attempts to provide. To steal a term from the commies and twist it into a mockery of what it once was, being forced to be productive at gunpoint is more of a "late stage socialism" problem. When we say socialists are lazy, we aren't referring to the types of commies who believe in the "those who do not work don't eat" mantra since they have their own problems we can attack, we're referring to the hipster faggots who want you to pay for their liberal arts degree and let them be unproductive little shits making "art" or what have you instead of taking the plunge and putting their own assets on the line (in the form of lost productivity, lack of income, skipping meals, or what have you).

Anonymous 02/09/19 (Sat) 03:03:34 No.97675

>>97674

Consider no one (or at least very few people- certainly not enough to meet demand) wants to be the farmer or tradesman drastically reducing his lifespan and being sweaty/dirty all the time if he's going to make the same as the guy who sits back working on his paintings or taking ten measurements a day in a lab somewhere. Hence the at gunpoint part.