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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.93821

How do we stop internet censorship of social media companies influencing legislation without surrendering to onerous regulation of state censorship, foreign subversion, or giving in to the vulgarities of the mob?

 No.93827

How do we end the state?


 No.93835

>>93827

No practical solution.

The real question, is how do we prevent Google, twitter, and Facebook from using their private propaganda empires to censor and promote narratives that have political impact in the government? Private propaganda and censorship empires putting governments of the world in their pocket, and falsely calling it a democracy.

Of course the freezepeech that shitspams isn't the same as criticism. Of course this doesn't mean foreign governments should have the right to propagandize others.

Any practical solution that isn't the lolbertarian argument of putting propaganda, surveillance, and censorship directly in the hands unaccountable information monopolies.


 No.93837

Create a replacement for the internet that is impossible to censor. Something with blockchain maybe.


 No.93842

>>93835

>The real question, is how do we prevent Google, twitter, and Facebook from using their private propaganda empires to censor and promote narratives that have political impact in the government? Private propaganda and censorship empires putting governments of the world in their pocket, and falsely calling it a democracy.

By removing government from strangling internet industry and funding media to use as an instrument for political campaigns. You've got ISPs that openly throttle even business lines automatically and pay for closing government alternative because even it is better than their shit. Let guys connect to internet not only via a single provider for an entire state, stop funding google and facebook by shilling your populist campaigns in there, stop promoting this degeneracy and lies via democracy. Furthermore, stop messing with surveillance and limiting standards of communications that are the cause of mobile phones being so shitty and google being so huge to begin with. Stop intervening in communications and shutting down sites and services because of muh copyright and government issued monopolies, as well as much child porn, muh terrorism and nowadays muh natzees. Copyrights are also a big reason why modern computer devices are limited to only few big faggy companies like nvidia and intel, as well as that same surveillance they build in it, only slightly constrained by chink produced outdated products.

>Private propaganda and censorship empires putting governments of the world in their pocket, and falsely calling it a democracy.

Because why wouldn't democracycuck blame the symptom of the problem.

>this doesn't mean foreign governments should have the right to propagandize others

Wew lad, be sure to clean your browsing history. Someone might be disappointed finding out all that cuck porn you've been watching.

>Any practical solution that isn't the lolbertarian argument of putting propaganda, surveillance, and censorship directly in the hands unaccountable information monopolies.

The only 2 things else you've got are sucking of daddy goberment for gibs in hopes you'll get allowed some fun for a wile or roll up and take it.


 No.93843

>>93837

There's already been plenty. The problem is that they all work on TCP/IP protocol communications are built for and are inconvenient and unpopular for common usage.

sage for doublepost


 No.93844

>>93821

take away their money


 No.93852

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According to:

>>>/pol/

private property ends where neckbeard feelings begin to compel Twitter into Pravda to shitpost rent-free at the expense of shareholders. Unless they don't like it.

here's a thing about the Free Press. You have the right to speak. You do not have the right to write an Op-Ed in the New York Times if the owners tell you to fuck off. If the streets are publicly trafficked, they're going to be publicly licensed and regulated with speed limits, street laws, highway patrols, and drivers licenses. If you want to assemble in public, you're going to have to follow a permit procedure or risk getting arrested by the police for causing an illegal disturbance.

OTI, Social media companies are data mines that privatize the surveillance state to sell you shit, which is why their services are free. They want your data to drive the number crunching automation economy. The internet backbone telephone infrastructure is already regulated by the government to be the streets that are forced to follow traffic laws and report criminal activity. This data is actively sniffed by the NSA and passively sniffed by the FBI for crime, and do not actively track private data unless they have a judge issued warrant. Social media is a free unregulated private company. They can tell anyone to fuck off for any reason and promote their own shilling for the interests of their shareholders. This is fine, as most of the propagandist spam rent-a-mobs need to be squashed to maintain the quality of their services.

The problem is when they try to use their information power as a private organization to influence government. Which is what Net neutrality was all about, putting government power and money directly in the hands of Google, Facebook, Twitter through the government and making your ISP absorb the costs. They would run the algorithms of libtard shilling for Net Neutrality and electoral propaganda issues so they could squash dissent as much as they can squash spam mobs.

The thing is, someone needs to squash the trolling spam mobs and their inane propaganda bombs. Be it the state, IRL decorum, property owners, or private organizations. Just as you don't have the right to occupy the New York Times.

So, there is an argument to turn monopoly for profit social media platforms into something reminiscent of the post office as a public town hall where individuals have to obey public decorums if the don't wan to be banned. This puts the power to promote and censor outside the hands of soulless multinational corporate agendas or the empowered private elite into the hands of the state's agenda. In theory, the system is decentralized already, but the true power of opinion is in the algorithms of centralized platforms of Alphabet, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc. They hold the most of the market share, and a controlling interest in opinion power.

These are becoming increasingly centralized connective data systems in which they produce monopolies.

A potential solution:

So in an increasingly centralized technological world, it is reasonable that the patriotic values of the American State in itself become the arbiter of public acceptability both domestic and internationally, alongside anti-trust to break up market ownership, and a national advisory firewall of foreign influence. Compelling globalist multinational corporations to digitize neoconservative on the authority of exporting the values of American /Liberty/. Take the propaganda power away from globalist of (((George Soros))) and under the guardianship of private entities under the US Federal government.


 No.93853

>>93852

>So, there is an argument to turn monopoly for profit social media platforms into something reminiscent of the post office as a public town hall where individuals have to obey public decorums if the don't wan to be banned.

You mean they have to not express wrongthink.


 No.93856

>>93852

> If you want to assemble in public, you don't have to follow a permit procedure, but you still risk getting arrested by the police for doing something it's literally illegal to arrest you for.

FTFY.

>The internet backbone telephone infrastructure is already regulated by the government to be the streets that are illegally forced to report legal activity.

FTFY. Child porn has a whole amendment saying it's legal. Bomb-making plans have two. And most of the privatized surveillance state isn't to sell you shit in the sense of "products and services."

>This puts the power to promote and censor outside the hands of soulless multinational corporate agendas or the empowered private elite into the hands of the state's agenda.

"None of the above" is the better option. What's with the false dichotomy?

>The thing is, someone needs to squash the trolling spam mobs and their inane propaganda bombs.

No speech is bad speech, but some speech is off-topic. Have you considered the dewey decimal system and nondeletion?

The blind spots in your rhetoric are scary.


 No.93859

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>>93853

You can think all the wrong think you wish.

Social media is deleting wrong think today. Everyone deletes trolls. Post office will allow you to send anything you wish so long as it's not a prohibited item, mailfraud, criminal activity, or threats.

Think of it like the public library community conference center. There has never been absolute free speech IRL as you'd either get punched, escorted out for yelling, or arrested for shitting on the desk.

You cannot get banned unless your antagonizing the public spaces. Just like how leftists are forced to moderate without getting arrested (eventhough antifa gets arrested for disturbing the peace).

I think that American made big tech should serve America first before other nations.

>>93856

You can protest in a public street, but the cops are still going to arrest you unless you move off the road and behave in public. Antifa always gets arrested on public streets because they cause a disturbance.

It's fairly easy to get a permit for le protest the whales, but they're not going to shut down the streets because OCCUPY FREEWAYS

Second, The government has to get a Judge to start raiding servers. The infastructure is regulated like roadways so that people can cross the information streets, and must obey traffic laws. Private Surveillance (google, facebook, etc) offer their billion dollar products for free to sell advertisements and feed big data. The huge risk is that Big Data is controlling us with the data we feed it. Thus turning Social media into an echochamber of lies where voters are the product for politicians to buy.

Someone, or something, is always going to have control over centralized systems. Systems centralize because of economies of scale. Twitter will always have command over userbases because they are first to market regardless of p2p alternatives.

Centralization of big data is a problem. Like Uber fucking over once unionized emblem transit workers into a lower status than illegal aliens as the App author makes millions.

>no speech is bad speech.

Because propaganda doesn't exist. Lies don't exist. Public etiquette and Social values doesn't exist. If we stopped Yuri Bezmenov's Useful Idiots in the 1980s under censorship of analog broadcasts, we wouldn't need this conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ


 No.93869

>>93821

destroy the state


 No.93872

>>93821

Australia has anti-competition laws, but no-one has used em against google, twitter or facebook yet.


 No.93874

>>93852

See >>93842. Leave it to normieflag to see the cause of the problem and still think that muh regulation will fix it.


 No.93916

>>93859

>it is fairly easy to get permission for something that you explicitly don't need permission for.

Yes, they're still going to arrest you. That is however because they're an armed criminal entity even by their own law.

>Private Surveillance (google, facebook, etc) offer their billion dollar products for free to sell advertisements and feed big data. The huge risk is that Big Data is controlling us with the data we feed it.

Nope, that's the small time; the centralized web2.0 hubs act as a *kill zone* where massive censorship creates a completely-fictional "organic consensus."

>Because propaganda doesn't exist. Lies don't exist. Public etiquette and Social values doesn't exist. If we stopped Yuri Bezmenov's Useful Idiots in the 1980s under censorship of analog broadcasts, we wouldn't need this conversation.

It's an SnR attack via misfiling, bluntly. Categorize better.

Meanwhile, I will need ALL of that later, for various reasons, possibly different than what the author intended.


 No.93933

>>93859

>You can think all the wrong think you wish.

You can do this under a dictatorship as well. Unless you have the freedom to actually say those opinions out loud and online, you have nothing.


 No.93988

>>93872

you mean pro-competition?


 No.93992

>>93821

>How do we stop individuals from curating their property?

>How do we stop individuals from refusing to publish content they find personally damaging or offensive?

You don't, you stupid nigger. It might be that the most popular X doesn't support Y. It might be that literally everyone uses X and you really, really love Y. It might even be that X has so much power they can affect the myriad masses of dumb niggers (who aren't so dissimilar from you) and therefore their lack of Y support represents an actual existential threat to you. It would still be an act of aggression to force them to have Y support. It would still be regulatory agencies and all the horrors that come with them, if not straight up thuggery.

There is no moral way of stopping "internet censorship [by] social media companies" though this word salad you've submitted hardly means anything anyway, I'm fairly certain you meant "how do we stop certain companies from influencing politics". That can only be stopped by destroying politics. So long as we have politics, the people with influence will use their power to control politics and the people in politics will use the people with influence to solidify their positions.

The one and only true answer, the final solution to the problem of "my retard neighbors are retards and SOMEHOW they have the ability to project their retardery onto me!" is SEGREGATION and SECESSION. If we all lived in voluntarist, isolated communities it wouldn't matter that most sheep (in their own isolated, voluntarist communities) were fucking stupid. It wouldn't matter that they sucked down all the dumb shit their local predators produced, because it wouldn't affect anyone outside of their personal bubble. These issues arise when dumb niggers get to decide the fate of themselves and others because numbers.


 No.93993

>>93992

>The one and only true answer, the final solution to the problem of "my retard neighbors are retards and SOMEHOW they have the ability to project their retardery onto me!" is SEGREGATION and SECESSION.

Agreed. Until that happens however, so much as politicians and bureaucrats do influence our lives, it is in our interest to mitigate the way in which they influence or lives such that they exert government force on our enemies instead of us.


 No.94000

>>93988

yeah, it's just usually worded differently. "Anti-Competitive Behaviour Laws". Supposed to cover stuff like monopolies, collusion, predatory pricing etc. This social media stuff is obviously collusion.


 No.94032

There are many things that could be done, but one shines in libertarian circles.

We should let ISP call "internet" the access to selected websites.

For example you pay 40$ for youtube, facebook, google, netflix. Then if you pay 100$ you can have access to all news sites. With 200$/month all sites in North America and with 1000$/month all data on the internet.

This is truly what's gonna stop FB, youtube, etc from being a dick.

There are some commies that talk of "net neutrality", as in forcing the ISP to give people access to the whole internet when providing a thing called "internet". Those commies say that while you do have one more regulation, you get access to all websites and those websites have a chance to shine.

Not only that, but if a political party tries to threaten an ISP into removing a website "or else when we get in power we will screw with you", the ISP can't just wash their hands but must tell them "sorry can't do there is a commie thing called net neutrality".

Yeah, net neutrality is superbad because "rules=bad", always and without thinking. Thank God there are so many smart libertarians who don't care about the world they live in and they sustain everything that reflects their ideology.


 No.94053

Did some guy delete their post? I swear I just saw one earlier.

>>94032

Well didn't the ISP's get their power being granted monopolies by local governments of states?


 No.94054

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>>94032

Directly charging for access would deplete market share when the value of the product is the cheap cornucopian nature of web 2.0. The free user Input is the value of the platform. These are economics of scale with heavy fixed costs to host the media, near zero cost to publish, and are required by law to intercommunicate with all other services if so requested by the client user through hyperlinks. It must make a profit through quantity, not margins. This is why "net neutrality" was essentially a massive cash and power grab for web companies at the expense of telecom.

AOL chatrooms do not exist anymore for a reason.

Secondly, it's the biggest open secret that (((Social Media))) companies work closely with congressional leadership, lobbyists, and the president to shill for more government at the highest bidder. They sell all your data to big data firms encroaching your privacy and trying to rape your skull meats with their lies upon voting time. Globalist money'd sHillary vs Russian oligarch jew meme'd Trump are prime examples. Antifa vs Alt-right shitposting internet flash mob riots getting doxxed, wreaked, and ruined by the FBI as their organizations are shutdown from social media at a flip of a switch.

The only way I see an "out" of Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, or a shitlib tech CEO from shutting it down is to apply a variant of The Sherman Anti-Trust Act 1890 to force rigorous antitrust for unregulated "information services" in the 1934 and 1996 Telecommunications Acts. This artificial increase in competition will incentive firms to want free speech. This will also make American Technology companies uncompetitive on an free trade global market, which will need an equally rigorous market protection from being absorbed by China. Put a trade barrier or "global fire wall" to keep American Hi Tech superiority from hemorrhaging market share to the world with decentralized less efficient systems, thus uniting ALL individual firms as a political body of the United States as one big tech when, and only when, doing business with foreign countries while keeping a competitive market inside. Politically, it would be in the best interests for the United States to export USA /liberty/ propaganda, censorship, and surveillance when dealing with international /pol/ to be a liberty exporter rather than subversion importer. The web is going to cost more for the equivalent services with free market principles in place internally. The state's protection will subsidize dead weight loss in competition with other services.

Essentially, this will break the FSF hippie's tech geeks libertarian leftist philosophy of freedum by being the polar opposite of Obama era Net Neutrality, but it will solve the problems of domestic political censorship by creating market conditions that discourage firms to block valuable traffic on their services when they can't control the networks from a single corporate boardroom. Internationally, better, more cost efficient state propaganda machines will have to pay a big tax to access bigger American markets after their black propaganda gets either censored or gets a (((gold star))) before publication. Americanism must leverage it's superior economic and military position to exert it's global sphere of influence until all competing nations adopt /liberty/ through CIA social media coups of frustrated military aged men with internet access for their nation's freedom instead of the imperial interests of (((rootless globalist cosmopolitans))).

This way we can keep and export American values of free speech, small government, and the structured democratic republic .

The uncucked alternative will be adopting an authoritarian model of nationalist presidential caesarism of 1930's style fascist /pol/. It will work, but the nature of power structures is that it's maintenance is expensive, where either the citizens bear the costs (tyrrany) or export the costs elsewhere (conquest). As modern total wars of conquest are obsolete through the advent of the Thermonuclear ballistic Intercontinental ballistic missiles, it's better to absorb the costs of business early on through inefficiency and projecting that inefficiency outwards to competitor powers through aggressive trade negotiations.

However, having free speech as defined by the will of fake globalist shills of the state vs degenerative populist idiots parsing idpol to to conceal the real agenda seems to be the status quo LOLbertarian argument for the time being. Keeping the troglodytes empowered as the mad men running the asylum according to a false establishment is hardly a healthy arrangement.


 No.94056

>>94054

Or you know, you can rewrite your localhosts file to point facebook, google, twitter, etc to 127.0.0.1, and write a script for others…


 No.94093

Do something that actually works and pass legislation instead of tickling Hoppe and Rothbard's prostates with your noses.

https://smaca.us/


 No.94097

>>94093

Congratulations, you've drafted a hammer the left can bash you over the head with next time they're in power.


 No.94098

>>94097

>An anti-censorship bill can be used by the left to censor.

There aren't enough brainlet wojack memes in a basic image search to properly ridicule your stupidity.


 No.94101

Know what? This dude does a far better job of refuting the lolberg delusions on this matter than me and has more experience.

https://twitter.com/MuhPrivateCo

Note for one that Twitter does not turn a profit and never has. Its investors aren't worried about that. Controlling the narrative by owning the new public square is good enough for them.


 No.94102

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>>94056

How would a browser side script some how end the server administrators right over the user content and use of their property? That stuff isn't saved client side. You can have your own web 1.0 blog that nobody traffics and still get kicked from your host company for any reason without notice. There is good incentive in playing ball with industrialists if you'd like an an affordable server that can handle global traffic.

Personally, I'd just pay more to my ISP and network a couple old desktops to run an *chan text board, personal media server, and chatroom. Totally not scalable or commercially viable as anything but a hobby, but it's free speech in my tiny kingdom.

>>94093

>hey anon… let me use up your car for a few months

>hey anon… bake my gay cake

>hey anon… pay for my broken leg

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>>94097

This. I don't care how many conservative bots you have, socialists and faggots who have infinite time on their hands will shitpost at the taxpayers expense. What about foreign governments using Social Media Persona management software blackmailing your government into a puppet state? Additionally, what is the value of investing in American technology if data integrity is a joke?

Even if you had a hundred thousand verified signatures, no lawmaker would commit political suicide by picking it up. The tech giants will keep every politician in the country lobbied. Not even registered independents. You've got 2,592 signatures in 2 months. Dead on arrival.

The whole point of legal private property TOS is to protect the public from ownerous FCC control, which it would legally have the right to license users with an army of lawyers and a new police force to protect data integrity. You have the right to speak. You do NOT have the right to broadcast. You have the right to have a different opinion, man, and not face legal repercussions by the state. You have the privilege to surf the web and publish on other people's services. Abolish the difference, and then the state has the right to dictate terms under the US Constitution which has been amended hundreds of times by the US Supreme Court. What is going to prevent empowered lawyers and politicians from abusing newfound administrative powers for their own ends?


 No.94103

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>>94102

<Wow bro, remember when the government regulated natural monopolies like electrical companies and telephones and made it so you couldn't freeze to death in winter for not believing in 5-year-olds getting sex reassignment surgery? America went full Marxist-Socialist overnight. Straight shot to Communism, man, it was wild!

The rest of your prattling, including endorsing the prior retard with a "this", is proof enough you don't know what you're talking about and not interested in correcting that deficit. SMACA does not empower le ebil goberment to dictate shit. It's literally the precise, exact, diametric opposite. It STOPS a concentrated form of power, Big Tech, from prohibiting legal speech. There's nothing for your hypothetical lawyers and politicians to abuse because it doesn't grant new administrative powers. It holds social media giants to the same standards legacy technology and the post are held to: Common Carrier. Currently they enjoy all of the indemnities of that status with none of the responsibilities and the fwee meerkat isn't going to cut it. Period.

>You do NOT have the right to broadcast. You have the right to have a different opinion, man, and not face legal repercussions by the state. You have the privilege to surf the web and publish on other people's services

Look up "the public square" and try to stop being such a defeat-fetishizing cuck. We're going to MAKE it a right broadcast or get crushed by leftist institutional supremacy and that's all there fucking is to it.


 No.94104

>>94098

<An anti-censorship bill can be used by the left to censor.

Of course it can you short-sighted nigger.

>Mr. Torba, two days ago you deleted Tyrone Letitiaus' ccount after he made the following post:

>FUCK DAT CRACKA TUCKAH CALSON NAMSAYING? SHEEIT, I know where dat whiteboi live, tommora I'm goan take dis Glock and melt his pale ass

>Mr. Letitiaus was clearly just expressing his wonderful and unique cultural diversity. If your oppressive terms and conditions can't allow him to do that, then they were clearly written as part of an institution of systemic racism. We're going to have to arrest you for violating this gentle giant's freedom of speech

And that's what I came up with in thirty seconds, you can be sure the same ficus who interpreted the Commerce Clause will find a way to stretch this further.


 No.94105

>>94104

<Here's a bullshit example that the same bill renders impossible except by sheer and flagrant disregard of the written law.

Threats of violence aren't lawful speech. Your scenario depends not on SMACA's deficits but a government employee going full rogue. That's entirely plausible but it's not SMACA's fault nor is it something that gets worse if it were passed. Quite the opposite, actually, because the dozens of accounts exposing that exact kind of shit that are being quietly assassinated on social media right now would still exist with the benefit of protective *GASP* regulation.

Next time think longer than thirty seconds. This clearly isn't your strong suit if all you can do is conjure the script of an MS Paint comic and fall for your own punchline.


 No.94106

>>94105

>by sheer and flagrant disregard of the written law.

Were you born yesterday? Sheer and flagrant disregard for the written law is what the left lives for. These are the same people that squinted really hard at the Constitution and decided they saw a line that guarantees fag marriage, don't be so naive to think that your previous "commonsense regulation" is immune to them. Every time a nigger or a leftist gets shadowbanned, or demonetized for any reason, they'll use this law to sue, the same way every sheboon who gets fired sues for discrimination. Because they know even if their case isn't legitimate, they stand to get some settlement cash heading their way as hush money.

>Threats of violence aren't lawful speech

The commie jury will just say it wasn't a "credible" threat of violence and let it pass, same as they do now. Remember when the socialist who bull-rushed Trump's stage got interviewed by CNN?

>but a government employee going full rogue.

Government agents have been going rogue for over a century. Wake up and smell the ashes, anon.


 No.94107

>>94106

Flag.


 No.94109

You literally can't

You can either force these companies to uphold Freedom of speech with the help of the ebil goverment

Or you can allow them to run rampant thus not breaching Libertarian ideology but still losing Muh freedumz in the process

Liberalism / Libertarians is truly a Paradoxical ideology


 No.94110

>>94102

>Abolish Private Enterprise

>Removed "Rights" of inhereitence

>Removal of Property "Rights"

Are you implying that any of these three have occurred in the USA?


 No.94113

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>>94103

>The US Constitution, commerce clause, congressional machinery of supporting laws, and the hundreds of reinterpritive supreme court decisions made since the ratification of the bill of rights can be thrown out the window because of a single phrase.

>oshi- nigger MS-Paint.

<It grants no new administrative powers

NBC, Inc. v. United States


 No.94114

>>94106

> These are the same people that squinted really hard at the Constitution and decided they saw a line that guarantees that a bunch of psychopaths dictating what religious rituals can and cannot be performed and/or elevates one over the other…

Thinking isn't your strong suit.


 No.94115

>>94102

>How would a browser side script some how end the server administrators right over the user content and use of their property?

<I can edit the content of a site that no one visits!

>Personally, I'd just pay more to my ISP to get censored and my money illegally pocketed, Epifora versus Verizon style.

I mean, you can literally do anything you want.


 No.94125

>>94101

>max global twitter likes at 99

>less popular leftist politics now with more profanity

>Crash the NASDAQ

>q-q-q-quit being a cuck a-anon.

Yes, Let me invest my tech portfolio to subsidize Pajama boy socialist politics. Oh wait…

>>94110

That dumpster fire of a bill is for pseudointellectual racists promoting libertarian leftism after their posts were cut and sites got dropped. Gives deranged communists access to the legal mechanisms to spam.

<Banning is discrimination and therefore federally unlawful IM A PARALEGAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D7-TG0JEHM

<What is a Terms of Service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvpc8kVM3M

>>94115

>the state is reluctant to protect pedophiles legally in the right

>lolnobody is willing to help pedophiles


 No.94126

>>94093

change

>200 million users

to

>got any kind of public fundings/advantages, it's a public company, etc etc

and it would make more sense, since it becomes statism fighting statism


 No.94130

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>>94106

>Were you born yesterday?

Nope, I'm just capable of following a logical line of reasoning. Which you aren't. Because you're a downie.

>Sheer and flagrant disregard for the written law is what the left lives for.

Judges or other actors aren't all leftists in some cabal but that isn't the point and they aren't the party in question here. Big Tech censors and their angel investors insulated from market reprisals and realities are.

>don't be so naive to think that your previous "commonsense regulation" is immune to them

It's not naivity; SMACA is precisely immune to the spergery you're blathering on about. Simple as that. There is no interpretation of a simple anti-censorship bill against big social media giants that empowers your theoretical big gubmint boogeyman.

>Every time a nigger or a leftist gets shadowbanned, or demonetized for any reason, they'll use this law to sue, the same way every sheboon who gets fired sues for discrimination. Because they know even if their case isn't legitimate, they stand to get some settlement cash heading their way as hush money.

That person's right to shitpost is being protected by this legislation. That's the point, just to make that right universal instead of de facto only open to leftists because those in charge of Big Tech say so. Your example has nothing to do with the topic at hand and totally ignores not only the substance of the bill but the malefactors it targets. You are demolishing strawman and waving your dick anonymously as if you accomplished anything. Because you don't know a damn thing that you're talking about.

>The commie jury will just say it wasn't a "credible" threat of violence and let it pass, same as they do now.

So? Not SMACA's fault and not my problem. The point is to prevent the deplatforming of unlawful speech on major tech infrastructure that is the de facto new public square. Your example is still retarded pretends the point of an anti-censorship law is to clamp down on antifag threats. You just can't keep up.

>Government agents have been going rogue for over a century

And Big Tech has been going rogue for about a decade at least. Time to make government due its duty instead of spouting lolberg platitudes and getting steamrolled as nothing is done because "muh principles.


 No.94132

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>>94113

>The US Constitution, commerce clause, congressional machinery of supporting laws, and the hundreds of reinterpritive supreme court decisions made since the ratification of the bill of rights can be thrown out the window because of a single phrase.

No, faggot, the point is to bring Big Tech to heel in accordance with this apparatus of law already in place.

>It grants no new administrative powers

Exactly the case. Thank you for understanding.

>NBC, Inc. v. United States

Packingham v. North Carolina

>>94125

>Forcing companies not to censor right-wing views is left-wing and socialist.

Cuck.

>Crash the NASDAQ

IT would only improve the profitability of companies like FaceBook and Google as well as relieve them of the burden in cost and resources to pursue censorious policies. Twitter and YouTube don't turn profits and don't need to; their masters don't care.

>>94126

Nobody cares about some tiny company or group censoring speech for their little niche community. Just like a little mom and pop Christian bakery isn't shutting gays out of the cake market by refusing to cater a wedding because there are a gorillion alternatives. Small fish don't need the same remedies as big fish, particularly when said big fish are virtual monopolies empowered by the Network Effect and don't have to respond to regular market pressures.


 No.94133

>>94132

>Forcing companies not to censor right-wing views is left-wing and socialist.

>My views are right wing because they enforce themselves via leftist tactics but that's ok because they are right wing

mfw it goes full circle


 No.94142

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>>94114

What did he mean by this


 No.94143

>>94130

>Judges or other actors aren't all leftists in some cabal

Of all the things for a /pol/ack to be bluepilled on, I wouldn't expect it to be this.

>Big Tech censors and their angel investors insulated from market reprisals and realities are.

Who do you think is insulating them, dipshit? Hint: it's the same people that decide how your law will be interpreted.

> There is no interpretation of a simple anti-censorship bill against big social media giants that empowers your theoretical big gubmint boogeyman.

There's no interpretation of "shall not be infringed" that allows the NFA, the GCA of 1968, the Hughes Amendment, the Brady Bill, or a bump stock ban to exist either, and yet here we are. Face it, bucko, it doesn't matter how secure the you think the wording is, kike lawyers will get around it.

>And Big Tech has been going rogue for about a decade at least. Time to make government due its duty

If you STILL haven't realized that "big tech" is fully in bed with the government you're trying to use against it you truly are hopeless.


 No.94146

>>94114

>Thinking isn't your strong suit.

Why do you think we are in this board?


 No.94149

>>94143

>Of all the things for a /pol/ack to be bluepilled on, I wouldn't expect it to be this

You aren't some hard nosed deliverer of tough redpilled truths; you're just a retard. Judicial activism is a huge problem but it isn't total and ubiquitous to the point where judges who know their damn job is to apply the law is written can't be leveraged. If your tinfoil blackpill vision of the world were accurate then the SCOTUS wouldn't have ruled in favor of the Christian bakers or incorporated the 2nd amendment as a right protected under the 14th. If what you said were true, then leftists wouldn't be shitting their beds because Trump gets to appoint justices and judges. And, once again, SMACA protects leftist views as well as right-wing ones. It depowers big tech; it does not empower the government to do anything they don't already do through the FCC and FTC, and the country is better off for it unless you're a "Muh Private Entity" turbo-cuck.

>Who do you think is insulating them, dipshit?

Their investors and their monopoly status by the nature of their service. The whole point of social media platforms is to be shared venues of communication. "Breaking them up" won't work. Competition cannot get in on the action because of the Network Effect and scaling. Competition also cannot work at lower levels of the chain of service because web hosts, domain registrars, payment processors, and banks will collude to undermine a free speech alternative to leftist censorship.

This is all done through muh fwee meerkat. It is not a state problem. It does, however, require a POLITICAL SOLUTION to put an end to private property abuse against the rights of the people. But no, tread all you like on that snek cuz "At least is not le goberment."

> Hint: it's the same people that decide how your law will be interpreted.

No. It is not. Sorry!

>There's no interpretation of "shall not be infringed" that allows the NFA, the GCA of 1968, the Hughes Amendment, the Brady Bill, or a bump stock ban to exist either, and yet here we are

So what? What even is your point? Why are you even here arguing? It's pretty goddamn clear that a bill that forbids a specific size of a specific industry from censoring something for which there's mountains of precedent defining legal versus illegal speech isn't going to empower the state to censor. This is worse than the "net neutrality is government takeover" kikery that lolbergs advance. It's a complete inversion of reality of the type that can only happen when you think HHH is a credible philosopher because empiricism doesn't real.

>If you STILL haven't realized that "big tech" is fully in bed with the government you're trying to use against it you truly are hopeless.

Funny how SMACA turns the obligation of government against that, huh?

Look, here's the thing: Waiting for non-government solutions in a world where states are the norm is a recipe for guaranteed failure. As long as the state exists, it is beyond stupid not to use the present organs of said state against our enemies because they sure as hell have no problem using them against us. Your non-solution alternatives merely force us to wait for the left-wing machine to bulldoze us down and deprive us of any means to communicate, recruit, and organize falling on the sword of some high-minded consistency ethic.

This isn't a suicide pact. It's time for spergs like you to sit down and shut up while the realists do something instead of waiting for the avatar of Rothbard to descend from the heavens with a flaming sword and break up the country into NAP-abiding ancapistan communes.


 No.94153

>>94149

How does your proposal, which generally seems good, defend against cries of "censorship" for dewey-decimal-style sorting?

…because when I've been trying to engineer the same thing, I've been focusing on a technical /subname/deleted and "move this thread into a forum you mod" option, right alongside that "create sub" button… shunt the "official" cronies to 127.0.0.1 and install pro-speech software to your server of choice.


 No.94156

>>94125

>"Libertarian" wants to ban Socialists/Communists and Natzi's from posting on the Internet

Why not just go back to /pol/ LMAO


 No.94167

>>94149

>Judicial activism is a huge problem but it isn't total and ubiquitous

It really is.

>the SCOTUS wouldn't have ruled in favor of the Christian bakers

But they didn't rule against the Civil Rights Act, and by the time they undid the lower court's decision regarding that bakery, the damage had been done. You can point to isolated victories, and I'm very glad these victories have occurred, but those are strictly tactical victories. What you're suggesting is to expend a strategic weapon to gain tactical victories, which isn't going to work in your favor at all in the long run.

>And, once again, SMACA protects leftist views as well as right-wing ones.

Civil Rights Act was meant to protect whites as well as niggers. PBS and NPR were supposed to be non-partisan entities. But guess what? Only niggers sue for discrimination and both PBS and NPR are communist propaganda. We've danced this dance before, the federal bureaucracy is firmly in control of the left regardless of who holds political office

>Their investors and their monopoly status by the nature of their service.

And who do you think maintains that monopoly? The FCC uses regulatory capture practices to ensure they don't have competition, alphabet soup and various foreign governments pay top dollar for the datamining done by these companies. Facebook and Twitter are not "private entities" any more than Planned Parenthood or PBS are. They are propaganda ministries of the left and should be treated as such. If you had the slightest amount of economic literacy you would have realized this on your own. So, yes. It is. Sorry!

>So what? What even is your point?

My point is that your precious law can and will be used against you, even if you think you've structured the language such that it can't. "Censorship" will be redefined to mean whatever the left wants it to mean, and they'll use it to further stymie right-wing influence online. You're just giving the lefitst bureaucracy another weapon to use against you.

> As long as the state exists, it is beyond stupid not to use the present organs of said state against our enemies because they sure as hell have no problem using them against us.

I actually agree with this, believe it or not. But your naive belief in the legislative system is preventing us from doing that, and rather than punishing our enemies you're putting another weapon in their hands. You want to use the state against our enemies, then deport all the spics and purge the bureaucracy of leftists. Punish Facebook and Twitter specifically instead of writing wide-reaching legislation that will be used against you in five year's time. Get Antifa locked up on domestic terrorism charges, and stop sending shekels to Israel. But you're not pursuing anything effective, you're pursuing LARPy half-measures that do absolutely nothing in the long run.


 No.94183

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>>94132

>confuses immediate profitability of undercutting competition with share value

>Taking over the social media for the Clinton Foundation rather than independent American industrialists

>expanding state media to include webspace to select obama's hand picked successor.

>cuck

>>94156

>on /liberty/

>nazcoms get physically removed from private property for advocating hatred of the owners of the commercial services due to their wealth or often false positive racial hatred

>legally not obligated to bake the nazi fag cake due to moral convictions.

Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission

>pressured by shareholders not to babysit shitposting on server racks that could get an expensive Subpoena

>because corporate lawyer billing hours are free, and in no such way affect the competitive pricing that drives more valuable customers away

>demand to socialize costs in a globalized market space where customers, profits, and revenue move towards less autistic legal environments as the unmovable fixed costs shut down the net.

>Free speech

>>>/pol/


 No.94184

>>94167

>I will sell you a cake for a strike price of five dollars.

>Psych! It wuz a social experiment, bro!

lolbertarians have been on the leading edge of these laws, as it's a basic premise of market theory.

> PBS and NPR are communist propaganda.

This is true; there's a lot of crafting and gardening shows.


 No.94186

>>94184

What are you even trying to say here?


 No.94959

Why I'm Against Antitrust Laws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7VsuqtrxIM

Google CEO Gets a Surprise Visitor! 😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozZNR3tCaw&t=218s




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