/liberty/ - Liberty

>>92812

>>>/christcuck/

>Commies/Leftists are atheists.

Most commies today are Christians, they correctly interpret Christianity as a form of socialism.

>Whether you believe in Creation or Evolution is going to affect what political ideology you like.

You're right, Christians were the original anarcho-commie hippies. If I believe in a god that tells me to share all my wealth or else I can't enter the kingdom of heaven, then obviously if I'm serious about my religion, I wouldn't be a big fan of private property or people earning and keeping money.

>>92812

>Commies/Leftists are atheists.

u forgot about christian anarchists dumbo

>>92812

As a communist I agree with:

>Political ideologies don't exist in a vacuum, they're based on preconceived notions or underlying foundations which form a person's worldview.

>Commies/Leftists are atheists

Most of us are, but there are some exceptions.

>They believe apes crawled out of a soup after nothing exploded 9 gorillion years ago.

Yes

>They believe man has no inherent values or qualities

Man does have inherent values, however they are not set in stone. Both evolution and society shape those values.

>They believe man has no inherent values or qualities, which is why they're fine with killing babies in the womb.

The reason most abortions happen is either poor sex education or economic problems. If you want to stop abortions, you should cut the root of the problem.

>They're fine with feminism because they believe there are no objective family roles

Serious Marxists are against liberal feminism. Yes we don't believe there are objective family roles, as one can very easily tell by looking at the historical evidence of different societies in the past forming different families.

>They believe there's nothing wrong with a man inserting his weewee in another man's butt

I thought you guys were libertarians here.. No there's absolutely no problem with that.

>They don't believe in objective or absolute truth at all

Actually, Marxists do believe that the material world exists.

>Good and evil are just subjective, morality is just a "spook"

Not exactly. To be specific, morality is subordinate to the dominant socioeconomic system. The morality of capitalism is much different from the morality of feudalism.

>they're fine with importing millions of immigrants with radically different and hostile cultures

Actually we are not fine with that. The main difference is that we don't blame those people whose economic circumstance lead them to leave their country, but the system that created those conditions in the first place. Also it is very funny how a nation of immigrants treats those people the way it does.

>>92817

-99/10 poor bait

>>92823

>evolution

>shaping society or values

Evolution is a myth, a fairy tale.

https://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

>>92825

I've already seen this article's argument made.

This theory doesn't explain why we have so many common characteristics with animals.(It has other problems as well but lets focus on this).

Why do we use rats for testing purposes?

Why do animals have eyes, mouths, livers and hearts?

I don't believe in a god so "that's how god made them" is not a very good argument here.

>>92826

I bet Windows 7 and Windows XP have thousands of identical lines of code. Does that mean they both evolved from Windows 98? No, they were made by a programmer.

A car and truck both have wheels. Does that mean they evolved from a skateboard? No, they were made by people. Just because things look similar doesn't imply "common ancestor" - that's an interpretation you put on the data. Have you ever considered it's because of a common designer?

>b-but those are not life!

Exactly. One cell in your body is more sophisticated than the international space station. You know something as simple as a paperclip didn't create itself, yet you believe life which is infinitely more complex somehow did? Your logic does not follow. DNA is literally genetic code.

>I don't believe in a god

Why not? It's the more rational and logical position.

Atheism doesn't make any sense considering the overwhelming evidence pointing towards a creator:

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

>The Introspective Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1lQMCOguw

>The Teleological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

>What Atheists Confuse

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLJtxn_OCo

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0lekx-NiQ

>Is Atheism a Delusion?

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBTJDje5xk

>Atheists Don't Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0

>>92830

Are you literally shaking right now, my assblasted commie friend? Facts support creation, not evolutionism.

HERE'S THE STATE OF EVOLUTION TODAY: "Evolutionary theory itself is already in a state of flux… all the central assumptions of the Modern Synthesis (often also called Neo-Darwinism) have been disproven" - Professor Denis Noble, Evolutionist, Physiologist and Biologist, May 2013

1. Abiogenesis. They have given up on it and now say it's not part of evolution theory.

2. They are now admitting that they have no explanation for diversity. So now it's not evolution either.

3. They have given up on the fossil record since it looks like creation. So now they say they don't need the fossils.

4. Gould and associates say there is no gradualism (no transitionals). Stasis is the underlying factor in the fossils so it's not evolution either.

5. Random mutations and natural selection produce nothing so that's out too and they are rejecting it as evolution.

6. All they have left is the common ancestor monkey. The inability for "kinds" to interbreed destroys that one so it's not long for this world.

7. PE is now a failure so it's out as evolution as well.

8. The “tree of life” has also been rejected.

>Darwinism's Downfall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHO-QkmomY

>The Hidden History of the Dinosaurs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_KkndA3fn4

>Kent Hovind debunks Evolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyI-aQaXD0

>Evolution is a myth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjvuwne0RrE

Let's look at the real, tangible and undeniable evidence for the coexistence of man and dinosaurs (which destroys the cult of evolution):

1. Fresh tissue inside dinosaur bones

2. Fresh blood in dinosaur bones

3. Coexistence of human remains and dinosaur remains in the same geological strata (Malachite man)

4. Coexistence of fossil and human footprints in Texas: Paluxy, Mcfall, Burdick, Taylor trails. Trails in New Mexico and Turkmenistan. (One evolutionist called Glen Kuban was so frightened by these trails that he took a hammer and chisel to destroy the evidence)

5. Dinosaur petroglyphs in Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Cambodia.

6. Peruvian and Mexican Dinosaur artifacts, burial stones, pottery, fabric and figurines Babylonian cylinders depicting sauropods.

7. Cat tracks in the 'wrong' strata.

8. Fossilized human fingers.

9. Chinese Zodiac with dinosaur/dragon as one of the animals. Why would 11 be real animals and only 1 mythical? They're clearly all based on real animals.

10. Scores of folklore and legends of man hunting or killing dinosaurs, described in detail and written like real history.

11. Biblical mention of dinosaurs in the book of Job.

This is what I call evidence, not the imaginary fantasies of evolution, now termed Voodoo science by Jonathan Wells.

A few years ago a team of archaeologists at the Paluxy River deposits of dinosaur prints where human footprints were

purported to exist under great controversy, began to excavate the layers of sediment where the prints disappeared under.

They had media and several scientists there, as they removed the material, they found more prints of both human and dinosaurs,

and the two scientists REFUSED to look at them, one turning his back and ignoring the invitations to view them.

Then there's the discovery of soft tissue in dinosaur bones, supposedly 70 million years old,

and this has never been explained by scientists, first they claimed it was a mistake, then they claimed it was "bacterial slime",

then they accused the discovery team of being "closet Christians". once the evidence PROVED that it was dinosaur tissue,

they crept away and began devising theories how this could happen. So far I've seen none that makes any scientific or logical sense.

>>92828

>I bet Windows 7 and Windows XP have thousands of identical lines of code. Does that mean they both evolved from Windows 98?

In a sense they are both "evolved" versions of past operating systems.

However this doesn't answer my question at all. Why do all these animals have common characteristics? Why do we like mammals much more than other animals? The only answer to those questions is evolution.

>You know something as simple as a paperclip didn't create itself, yet you believe life which is infinitely more complex somehow did?

Complexity doesn't indicate intelligence. The way weather works is complex, even though we didn't create it. If life didn't exist, the argument for the next most complex phenomenon would be made and so on.

>Atheism doesn't make any sense considering the overwhelming evidence pointing towards a creator

All those arguments are faulty. There's at least ten videos for each one of those presented, debunking those arguments.

Also quantum physics don't debunk materialism, they are a materialistic process.

The Copenhagen interpretation is not the only one.

>>92832

>This is your mind on creationism

>>92832

That was not me answering you up there. You can tell by the distinct lack of hammer and sickle.

Don't post any more videos please, I'm not gonna watch them.

>>92812

>Why aren't we tackling the real issues here? Political ideologies don't exist in a vacuum, they're based on preconceived notions or underlying foundations which form a person's worldview.

Your entire premise is based on the idea that leftism and communism stems from atheism. Most people become atheists after they've already become leftists. And quite a few religious sympathizers on the right don't have strong convictions about God, and only support the church for what they see as cultural and institutional benefits rather than personal beliefs.

>Whether you believe in Creation or Evolution

Jesus Christ, really? If you're going to make the case for theism, the least you could is introduce Thomas Aquinas and some of the more interesting aspects of theology, not this low-hanging fruit jej, televangelist catnip.

>>92817

You should check out anarchochristian, he explains how that position is absolutely retarded.

>>92836

There are plenty of leftist ideologies that base their ideas on religion. Christian socialism or islamist theocracy are pretty notable examples.

Also the premise that leftists turn atheists, even if not entirely false, does try to equate these two while communists have shown signs of the same religious fundamentalism as other believers did, with soviet rejection of genetics being a notable example.

>>92834

>Haha, his mind is full of facts and evidence!

..Thanks I guess?

>>92833

Common designer, not common ancestor.

The reason patterns or mechanisms are repeated is because they work.

>>92839

>Being this retarded

You must be joking.

>>92842

Stop replying to him, he's just a shitty troll.

Evolutionists don't have any evidence, they always get destroyed in debates. All they can do is throw insults and "u r dum" ad hominems. Just filter and ignore.

>>92838

Marxism rejects fundamentalism, as it is used to interpret different situations and gives different results. It is not based on belief, but socioeconomic science.

>>92840

That doesn't make sense in the case of creation. If a god created the universe, there wouldn't be a restriction of what works, as he could make anything work.

On the other hand, if life did evolve, it had to be evolve into something that works.

>>92844

The chances of life appearing from nonorganic materials is like a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and creating a Boeing 747.

It's a mathematical impossibility, yet you believe in Darwin's insanity. Your prophet himself admitted he might have devoted himself to a fantasy. That's what evolutionism is, a fantasy that requires a lot of imagination and *millions of years*.

>>92845

I don't know what the chances are, but you don't either.

Life was just single cells of self replicating material.

>>92846

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

>>92847

I don't have evidence for biogenesis if that's what you're asking.

There is evidence however that mono-cellular organisms can evolve into multi-cellular.

>>92848

https://creation.com/multicellularity

https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/could-life-have-evolved-multicellular-systems/

Evolution doesn't happen. It's all in your head.

Animals reproduce after their own kind. Breeding allows to select from a diverse genepool (loss or scrambling of information).

A dog will never grow wings or turn into a cow, no matter how many years you give it. If you've noticed, dogs are inferior to the original wolves/canines they descend from. There is entropy and decay, not evolution. Mutations make things worse, not better.

The second law of thermodynamics (genetic entropy) alone destroys the entire idea of evolution. This isn't even touching fossils or geology which also disprove evolution and confirm Biblical creation.

>>92849

0/10 Here's your (You)

wait, there are still people who believe in evolution??

Kent Hovind destroyed that garbage in the 90s. atheists really are desperate it looks like.

>>92851

Yes, despite evolution being a bankrupt and dead theory, it's unfortunately still been taught in school and forced down the throat of our children. It's all part of the Cultural Marxist agenda to de-Christianize the west.

It's the same with climate change (muh global warming) which scientific studies have shown doesn't exist at all, man isn't responsible for warming up earth - yet a lot of people still believe we do because they've been fed crap by the mass media.

>>92850

The question remains, why are there all these similar features animals have if they are not somehow related?

>A dog will never grow wings or turn into a cow

Under certain circumstances(non existent on earth right now) dogs could evolve wings given enough time. They wouldn't be dogs anymore but that is possible.

>dogs are inferior to the original wolves/canines they descend from

Not really, they might be inferior in a fight against a wolf, but they can reproduce much easier and superior in this way.

>The second law of thermodynamics (genetic entropy) alone destroys the entire idea of evolution.

This is untrue, as life creates entropy around it to sustain itself.

>>92855

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>92857

Why don't you answer my main question?

>>92861

Science supports the Bible, I don't see why that's so hard to understand for your 15 IQ peanut brain, Mr. fence shitter.

>>92865

>Science supports the Bible

You're correct but for the wrong reason; Constantine himself said that the creation myth wasn't meant to be taken literally, and there's nothing in evolution that contradicts theology. Nor was the Bible meant to be a standalone, end-all-be-all definitive guide to Christianity, either. It's because of retarded Protestants treating the Bible like the only authority on anything that this debate even exists.

>Mr. fence shitter

>implying

This has nothing to do with being a big-brain centrist, the whole debate is completely separate from politics in its entirety and you've just chosen the most retarded possible hill to die on. There are so many good and interesting things in Christianity–the cultural cohesion, the philosophy, the morality, the theology, the works of Thomas Aquinas, literally anything–and you choose to focus on the friggin creation myth of all things, instead of any of the more useful topics. This is the equivalent of a libertarian ignoring the Fed, price controls, Marxist propaganda in public schools, and cronyism just to make it their life's work to REEEEE about the post office.

>>92873

Evolution is a myth. Why do you insist on believing in it?

>>92849

Pretty much this.

>>92824

It maybe actually ISNT bait

We do have an actual Christian-Communist who is a regular shitposter (We also used to have a Unironically Islamic-Communist from Iran or some shit)

>Why aren't we tackling the real issues here?

>Starts talking about spooks

>>92930

You can't be two things that are diametrically opposed to oneanother.

>>92891

Your post was worthless, you made baseless claims without any evidence backing it up.

>creation is wrong cuz i said so!

Great argument.

>>92817

Zacchaeus. Google the name. Rich man whose household Jesus blessed, he gave to charity but did not share all his wealth. Obviously, Christ had no problem with that.

>B-but didn't Jesus reject a rich guy?

Yes. Jesus' point was that you have to be a Christian wholeheartedly. This rich man he rejected was not willing to do that, his riches were more important to him than salvation. Jesus knew that beforehand, and that's why He tested him.

>Muh early church communism in Acts

That's called monasticism, and it has nothing to do with communism. In a monastery, material wealth is not shared in common because individual wealth is seen as sinful, but because the monks (or in this case, the early Christians generally) did not want to be distracted from their spirituality by material matters. That's precisely the opposite of communism. Communism is as materialist as it gets, and in fact a common theme in communist propaganda is that dignity is dependant on wealth, a view that is completely foreign to Christianity.

Probably bait anyway.

>>92873

>This has nothing to do with being a big-brain centrist, the whole debate is completely separate from politics in its entirety and you've just chosen the most retarded possible hill to die on. There are so many good and interesting things in Christianity–the cultural cohesion, the philosophy, the morality, the theology, the works of Thomas Aquinas, literally anything–and you choose to focus on the friggin creation myth of all things, instead of any of the more useful topics. This is the equivalent of a libertarian ignoring the Fed, price controls, Marxist propaganda in public schools, and cronyism just to make it their life's work to REEEEE about the post office.

Well said!

>>92939

this xD

>>92941

You said:

>Your post was worthless, you made baseless claims without any evidence backing it up.

You also said:

>Evolution is a myth. Why do you insist on believing in it?

Pots shouldn't call kettles niggers.

ITT: Creationists post scientific facts on the table, evolutionists just shitpost and throw temper tantrums

>>92961

>t. shitpost

>>92961

That's how it always goes.

Fedoras/Commies do not have any arguments. They're as retarded in the field of theology or philosophy as they are in politics or economy.

>>92961

Nope

>>92978

no u

>>92908

No, but he can, and he did

>>92828

>Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

The 2 premises are faulty and not based on first principles.

>>92812

>Theists take God-given inalienable rights for granted, but atheists don't believe in these 'negative rights'

Your ability to do something is what gives you the right to do it. The social contract between yourself and your fellows is what gives you the 'negative right' to not be acted upon in ways that your society considers unacceptable. No God, only man.

>>92812

>If you want to un-brainwash lefties, stop talking about political subjects because it's pointless when you both don't understand eachother's underlying worldviews. Attack the root of the issue: their atheism and belief in "millions of years".

…of course, Star Trek had it right, and "space communism" is merely the result of the interchange of ideas between John Locke and the Beghards, or more directly, between classical liberalism (which was WAY to the left of this shit, and of most commies) and dissident Christianity.

…but good luck with that.

>>92832

Stop posting this tired old copypasta you nuclear faggot.

On a related note, Lamarckians are gay niggers from outer space and the grains of truth in their theory have already been integrated into the modern synthesis as Transgenerational Epigenetics, which is actual science that doesn't require magical ~life energy~ to operate.

>>92812

Christcucks truly are the dumbest of all. You can't even take your own posts seriously.

>apes crawled out of exploded nothing 9 gorillion years ago

No one but you says this. But hey, I've got one too. You believe a snake told clones to disobey an alien in a magical demiplane protected by both a field of flying swords and babies, and they did it and now all human beings are descended from these clones because the alien kicked them out for being too smart.

>They believe man has no inherent values or qualities

You can't just throw a thing out like this without defining your terms. Man IS, so by definition man has qualities. I don't think Communists disbelieve in mans ability to exist or carry bricks. Is this an allusion to some whacky religious nonsense?

>objective family roles

You're objectively stupid. Objectively, you don't even exist. I objectively think that you objectively use the objective term "objectively" wrong, and therefore objectively you don't exist. Objectively. Role is social. There are strong predispositions but no one is born a housewife, soldier or wageslave.

>homos

The act of boning a dude is gay. Gay shit is obnoxious. Gays who don't also have children do not propagate and therefore do not create more people who are predisposed to being gay. If by some method people were to become afflicted with homosexuality it should rightfully be considered a weapon of genocide due to the lack of propagation associated with it, comparable to chemical castration. However, being that there is no convincing proof of transmittable, irrevocable, immutable homosexuality; Being gay is just annoying and not really something that matters. At least it's nothing to argue about.

>objective or absolute truth

It's absolutely true that I wrote this post. Similarly, it's objectively and absolutely true that 4/2 in base 10 is 2. It is not objectively, absolutely true that people are demons or fucking a man is wrong. This is because "wrong" is not a math equation and perspective matters. You can't explain your morals without reference to Jewish tomes, so all who are not Jews should have nothing to do with it. Those tomes which have been used to justify "importing millions of immigrants with radically different and hostile cultures", I might add.

Furthermore I'd just like to remind you that men wrote those books you stupid fucking idiot. Men built the churches, men wear the fishy hats, men stained that glass, men made those paintings, men created the philosophies, men debated them, men killed each other over them. God isn't present even remotely. God hasn't been seen. I don't see how even the most faithful can get away with more than "well god was real and did cool things at some point, but he has certainly left by now". Atheists aren't Communists and Communists worship authority above all else. The only reason you think that's "Atheism" is because the church of Communism can't abide the church of Abraham, for "you can't serve two masters".

Stop making these horrible shitposts here. This is /liberty/ not /pol/ or /christ/. You're not winning over anyone here and trolling is almost certainly not allowed by the god of no-fun you prostrate before.

>>93060

Evolution has been debunked and proven wrong you idiot.