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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.92473

Sometimes I get into discussions about, "Does there really need to be THAT MUCH land in reserve and as national parks?" There are many other topics where people feel when they're getting into slippery slopes, but somehow conservation just puts the blinders on. Maybe it's just the people I talk to, but conservationism is one of those that if I were a modern-day Genghis Khan and I wanted to convince people to genocide entire populaces, that might be my goto. Here's how it goes for me sometimes:

- Well, the rainforest is the world's lungs. So, you can't have any development there.

- Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.

- Yes, the West is mainly uninhabited wastes and desert, but extremely large expanse of land is O.K. because it's so rare in the modern age to have a place where wildlife can grow as it was meant to.

- Yes, Antarctica is a barren, desolate hellscape of ice, but it's the only place on Earth humans have collectively decided to leave untouched, and I think we should preserve that–even though there are vast, vast areas of land you could settle that would be no danger to any wildlife because there is none. It's just important to keep nature as nature, you know?

- You know, I'm starting to think settling Mars is a bad idea because of the rare chance of bacteria that–(IT IS SCARY HOW EASY IT IS FOR ME TO GET PEOPLE TO THIS FUCKING LEVEL)

- Yes, I think nature is more important than humans in a lot of cases.

I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."

If you're a conservationist, convince me that you don't hate humanity. You're putting nothing over the lives and interests of your fellow man, aren't you?

 No.92475

>>92473

>Sometimes I get into discussions about, "Does there really need to be THAT MUCH land in reserve and as national parks?"

There's nothing inherently wrong with conservationism as long as you don't expect other people to give up their property rights in the name of your nature fetish. And if people enjoy nature enough to be willing to preserve it, they will be willing to pay for that preservation. And now you have a market for unmolested nature, that persists so long as there are people demand it and there exist entrepreneurs who willing to supply it. We even have a nice case study in this from the Goy Scouts, in the form of Philmont Scout Ranch. It's 140,000 acres of FUCKING NOTHING as you put it, all owned and maintained by a private organization, and it can sustain this because there are weirdos such as myself that have an appreciation for FUCKING NOTHING and are willing to pay to experience it. If you auctioned off the national parks to private owners, I imagine you'd see similar results. Yellowstone pulls in several million visitors a year, and I imagine quite a few other national parks aren't far behind. It'd be far more lucrative for a shrewd entrepreneur to keep these as nature preserves and sell admission rather than sell them off for housing developments.

Now, as to how to deal with normies when they bring up these points:

>Well, the rainforest is the world's lungs. So, you can't have any development there.

This is mostly public school propaganda, all plants are actually carbon-neutral and the rainforest is no different. Any CO2 that the plants have absorbed over their lifetimes is released when they die as rot sets in.

>Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.

Putting wildlife on the endangered species list doesn't help save them from extinction, at best it just slows down the length of time required. Poachers won't heed the warning, they'll just become more careful, and government bureaucrats don't really have an incentive to stop the poachers, so most ignore them or take a bribe to ignore them. Putting a species on the endangered list also prevents any bleeding heart that wants to help the animals from interacting with them as well, and they're generally law-abiding types who will obey the endangered laws; all you've done is limit the interaction with endangered animals to the negative ones. The best way to get a species' numbers up is to allow some enterprising man to take ownership of a population and attempt to monetize it, as it will be in his own interest to make sure that the size of his investment increases. A nice real-world example of this is the lion hunts in Africa, which have caused a declining lion population to skyrocket.

> Yes, the West is mainly uninhabited wastes and desert, but extremely large expanse of land is O.K. because it's so rare in the modern age to have a place where wildlife can grow as it was meant to.

This is more or less addressed by the point I made above about Philmont. Anyone further down the scale than this is probably beyond helping and should be air-dropped in their favorite wilderness region to live among all the hungry beasts they love so much.

>I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."

It'd be hard to write that even satirically, as the commies have consistently been the worst polluters of them all.


 No.92524

>>92473

>Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.

Some of this is true. Some of it is detrimental to wildlife because the parks end up being monoculture. Here in my state, which is meant to be forest and marshlands, they create meadowlands and fields. Our lakeside forests are overrun with beeches.


 No.92596

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>>92473

Extinctions are nothing to scoff at. We don't yet have the ability to engineer lifeforms to fill every niche, so we have to rely mostly on those species that exist naturally in our environment to keep it functioning as we expect.

>Antarctica

Go try and live there. Antarctica itself is more of an obstacle to human settlement than any interference by other humans.

>You know, I'm starting to think settling Mars is a bad idea because of the rare chance of bacteria

Finding alien life would vastly improve our understanding of biology, and it might be worth holding back development on a planet until we could isolate and preserve samples of its native lifeforms. Mars isn't likely to be a problem in this regard, since we've found signs of past liquid water but no signs of life, so anything living there now is probably contamination from our probes. "There might be life" is a much weaker argument for conservation than "There is life."

>I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."

You would probably do a bad job of it, but if you really want to try, look up the Four Pests Campaign. Mao was about as conservationist as a Captain Planet villain.


 No.92632

>>92524

> Some of it is detrimental to wildlife because the parks end up being monoculture. Here in my state, which is meant to be forest and marshlands, they create meadowlands and fields.

where i live you cannot transform environment in national parks or wildlife reserves


 No.92643

>>92596

>it might be worth holding back development on a planet until

See. You see folks? I was not exaggerating. This guy right here is frame and center what I was talking about.

Fuck humans, amirite?


 No.92661

>>92643

hm it depends on what development means


 No.92694

>>92643

You are very stupid.




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