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 No.91036

Why are so many countries that have socialized medicine in the top 20 of the economic freedom index?

Side-question, will the U.S. ever be back in the top ten? Or is it destined to be beat out by countries like "Estonia?"

 No.91038

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>this meme again

You answered your own question by pointing out how high they are in economic freedom. Their shitty socialized healthcare is partially offset by how unregulated the rest of the market is.


 No.91039

>>91036

Here in NZ the public healthcare system barely works and relies on the private healthcare system a lot. If people had no choice to go private and had to use the public system such as is the case in Canada then the system would completely collapse without a doubling or even tripling of funding. The Canadian system can only run as it does because Canadians can just drive over the border to the US and pay for private.

Also there are more countries which have socialised healthcare which are complete shitholes than not yet I don't see you talking about them.


 No.91143

>>91039

>>91038

Jesus, the neuroticism on this board has been kicked up a few notches. I am actually a libertarian, but I guess I can understand since you guys are basically dealing with commie trolls all the time, and sarcastically putting a NK flag probably didn't help in hindsight.

I was more wondering why the score didn't take more of a hit considering that healthcare is usually something like 10-20% of GDP most of the time. I find that much less regulation on the rest of the economy to be hard to believe, especially in commie EU. Although the private sector taking up the slack makes sense.

Anyways, any thoughts on the second paragraph at least, you easily triggered bastards?


 No.91144

>>91143

Well for starters, use Invidious and not Hooktube, as Hooktube is just a Youtube embed these days. for the EU specifically, one thing you can look at is not just deregulation but direct subsidy–compared to the US these countries spend just about nothing on defense, and they don't have to because the US military is the de facto military of all of NATO. For why the score doesn't take more of a hit, you would have too look into the index itself and see how they deal with wholly publicized industries. It could be that government-run programs don't actually impact economic freedom, because there aren't any "regulations" affecting it–all of the government intervention is strictly speaking rules internal to the industry, and perhaps internal industry rules don't count against economic freedom, even if the industry is government-owned. I doubt the size of the police force would directly impact economic freedom either, as it's completely separate from the private sector, so long as taxes and the like remained low.


 No.91160

>>91036

In of itself it doesn't mean a thing before it can be directly linked to anything. Unless someone has anything more than assumptions we have little to discuss.


 No.91362

its been debunked by xexizy

note how the top countries have the biggest government and spending (Scandinavia etc)


 No.91673

>>91036

This is very easy to answer. While they have socialized healthcare and education, they otherwise have little-to-no economic and business regulation compared to the US. That's the only way those services are even able to function, the people there make enough money that they're able to get away with insanely high taxes to fund them.


 No.91674

>>91673

That wasn't OP's question. OP's question is why this correlation exists, what's the motivation for so many countries that are economically free to get socialist healthcare, as he said in >>91143


 No.91675

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>>91036

>Why are so many countries that have socialized medicine in the top 20 of the economic freedom index?

It's like asking why did most successful professional wrestlers in the 1980s,90s, etc have alcohol and drug problems, there's an implication of correlation=causation here that unfortunately doesn't really work. As others have mentioned these countries also tend to have a lot more economic freedom in terms of taxes, regulations, etc that ironically end up making them more free than the US.

>Side-question, will the U.S. ever be back in the top ten? Or is it destined to be beat out by countries like "Estonia?"

Once liberty is lost, it's pretty hard to regain in any actual meaningful manner. I think for the time being, the United States is probably going to lose more and more freedom as we go on. There is a sense of optimism in the air however, as people have begun being much more skeptical towards the news media, government, government subsidized tehcnology, etc etc, so there's at least that.

>>91143

> I find that much less regulation on the rest of the economy to be hard to believe, especially in commie EU.

Depends on the country, there's a lot of countries in Europe that tout more freedom than we do in various sectors. One can look at Switzerland, Liechtenstein (which is a rather small example but a valid one regardless), the Netherlands (to an extent), Ireland, etc.


 No.91681

>>91144

>Well for starters, use Invidious and not Hooktube, as Hooktube is just a Youtube embed these days.

Link? I can't find Invidious.


 No.91682

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>>91681

>Link? I can't find Invidious.

invidio.us fren.




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