No.90669
Have this above my bed and a Gun Owners of America sticker on my truck
No.90670
No.90671
>>90670
I never gave a reason. Just seeing if anyone else shows their love of freedom and in what way.
No.90672
>>90671
I have a gun and wear it openly, as is my right. Other than that, I see no reason to wave my liberdick around like some Twitch gamur gril wearing a Trek shirt.
No.90675
>>90671
besides all my phone aesthetics being /liberty/-related, which of course won't be noticed by many others, I often wear a shirt with the text "socialism always leads to starvation and genocide."
No.91368
daily reminder only low IQ rural retards have dixie and gadsen flags
No.91374
I've got a Dixie, Gadsden, and Rhodesian in my room, but I wouldn't be caught dead showing my affiliations in a more public manner.
No.91393
>>91368
I only ever see bottom of the barrel methed out white trash or rich frat boys with the dixie flag. Theres no inbetween.
No.91395
>>91374
Most lefties are too beta to say anything if they notice, which means the only people that will come up to you to talk about your virtue-signalling are fellow rightwingers.
No.91401
>>91395
Why do you LARP as a liberty guy if you really are just a crypto-fascist?
No.91422
>>91401
I wouldn't call myself a fascist, I'm strongly ancap and I don't anticipate changing that. There are some aspects of fascism I find interesting from a personal development point of view but I have little interest in it as a political ideology.
No.91423
>>91422
This. Fascism is trying to do the right thing the wrong way. Hoppe is the right way.
No.91438
>>91422
>>91423
You're totally right. Fascists are people who want the right thing, but they try to achieve them using leftist methods, essentially making them leftists.
No.91444
>>91438
>the end doesn't justify the means
No.91445
>>91444
Fascist techniques don't achieve their wanted ends. The state breeds degeneracy.
No.91451
>>91437
>upper right
Have met her wearing that shirt, she's pretty cool. I honestly would hesitate about any libertarian or "alt right" qt though, because the movements are such sausage fests and the amount of attention the girls get as a result of that means there's a very strong incentive for them to become thots.
No.91452
>>91444
They don't.
>>91445
This too.
No.91463
>>91438
Fascism and communism are interchangeable in both means and ends.
No.91465
>>91463
I keep reading this in here, I'm starting to think you are all just memeing rather than being retarded.
No.91468
>>91465
I think there is someone who is retarded.
No.91469
No.91471
>>91465
If we're talking italian fascism and ML, it's… not too far off.
Of course, the average "I'm a fascist" has nothing to do with italian fascism, and marxism/ML has more-or-less nothing to do with communism and/or the left, so it's still kind of a monkeyfuck. We're just glad the fascists are willing to admit it's a new, third position.
https://www.casapounditalia.org/p/who-we-are.html
…frankly, they're probably to the left of the MLs.
No.91472
>>91422
What does that even mean? Why dont ancaps just admit they are fascist and operate from there rather than dressing it up in this bizarre psuedo-liberal thing? As far as I can tell, ancaps and HHH types are just corporatist/fascist
No.91475
>>91471
Different authoritarian ideologies achieve inconsistency in different ways, but once that is done nothing can distinguish them.
No.91482
>>91475
>all strong guberment is bad XDD
Anon I think you lay down on this "pretend to be retarded" thing for a while, I'm getting worried about you.
No.91483
>>91472
>What does that even mean?
It means I can appreciate the advocacy for a socially conservative lifestyle, building yourself into the ideal man and staying away from degeneracy. I can also accept that homogeneous communities tend to work better than diverse ones. However I couldn't care less about fascist thought on economics and how to organize a society, becasue half of it is is illiterate normie-tier stuff and the other half is inspired by bolshevism.
>Why dont ancaps just admit they are fascist
Because ancaps are economically literate, and every time we try to teach economics to the fascists they just REEEEEE about usury and muh one percent.
>As far as I can tell, ancaps and HHH types are just corporatist/fascist
This leads me to believe you don't know what an ancap is, what a corporatist is, or what a fascist is.
No.91486
>>91483
>This leads me to believe you don't know what an ancap is, what a corporatist is, or what a fascist is.
ancaps believe in a completely unrestricted market economy, which basically boils down to corporation worship
Corporatism is the economic policy of Fascism, where specific corporations are giving state support in the belief that they will benefit the state better than a competitive free market
And HHH main belief boils down to just resetting the world order and letting everyone serperate into their own little communities which is why it is attractive to fascist. Think of it like this, do you support open borders like the Koch brothers and Antifa do? How does this conflict with your homogeneous communities are better idea?
No.91488
>>91451
This.
T. Someone who is an officer for a libertarian college org
However there isn’t as much of a disparity as one would imagine
No.91493
>>91482
Go larp somewhere else. You will not find support for your faggy authoritarianism here.
No.91494
>>91486
>which basically boils down to corporation worship
Imagine being this stupid.
No.91497
>>91486
>ancaps believe in a completely unrestricted market economy
Denotatively correct, though you're probably using an incorrect connotation of "unrestricted"
>corporation worship
…And there it is, retardation rears its ugly head. There's no "corporation worship" in ancap. It's a fine way of organizing large businesses but largely over-represented in the current market compared to a privatized one–corporations are given a variety of tax breaks, regulatory benefits, and legal benefits (namely limited liability) that incentivize their formation over sole proprietorships. Not exactly corporatism there is it?
>giving state support in the belief that they will benefit the state better than a competitive free market
How can you say that, and this:
>ancaps believe in a completely unrestricted market economy
And then conclude this:
>ancaps and HHH types are just corporatist/fascist
This isn't even a matter of not knowing what these things are, you can't even keep your own thoughts straight.
>And HHH main belief boils down to just resetting the world order and letting everyone serperate into their own little communities
That's a single aspect of Dr. Hoppe's worldview and it's frankly a bit insulting that you think that's all it is.
>do you support open borders like the Koch brothers and Antifa do?
….How exactly did you decide "open borders are bad" equals corporatism?
>>91488
At Mises U I'd say it was 80-20 or so, maybe 75-25. Fucking good on you for finding a nice college org, the only one where I am is the YAL chapter and when I approached them they couldn't stop virtue-signalling about what a great movie Black Panther was for blacks. Some of them were still sympathetic to the LP even.
No.91500
>>91497
>There's no "corporation worship" in ancap
Maybe not in theory, but in practice, it supports the idea that the will of corporations is a benelovent driving force of innovation that will yield mostly positive results, with something like the state only getting in the way of it, so just trash it entirely.
>That's a single aspect of Dr. Hoppe's worldview and it's frankly a bit insulting that you think that's all it is.
I know theres more to it, but thats the core appeal of him. I really just wish people were more honest about it though. There is a reason he is so popular among the alt-right, and why all those ancaps for years so quickly jumped on the alt right bandwagon, and its specifically because of this self community making idea of his. Everyone knows what that really means is that all the fascist can go an make their own little community and tell everyone else to fuck off.
>….How exactly did you decide "open borders are bad" equals corporatism?
Its not corporatism because in a Fascist system, the will of the State is supreme. But with this weirdo ancap/quasi-fascist belief, its this same sort of ideal, but the will of the corporation is supreme. This includes importing cheap foreign labor rather than providing native workers with a reliable income they would demand, or better hours and safer working conditions ect. How can you on one hand call for NO restrictions on businesses while also admitting that homogeneous communities are better than multicult ones? How can you call for the end of the state while upholding the virtues of the nation state idea?
This is why I like Liberalism rather than ancaps. It recognizes the importance of the state while not worshipping it or making it supreme. specifically the USA. This is a unique nation and its the duty of the state to uphold it, while a business doesnt give a shit about anything other than its bottom line, which is why they would have no problem with open borders. Who gives a fuck about what it does to the community when its a cheaper source of labor?
No.91502
>>91444
>it's okay to rape babies, as long as you do it for the greater good
>>91463
Ordinary socialism is always just state-capitalism in practice, and "giving the means of production to the workers" is basically forcing everyone to use the same business model. Fascism (corporatism) is also state-capitalism, just more decentralized, everything else that's capitalist about it is Keynesianism on steroids.
>>91472
>ancaps believe in a completely unrestricted market economy, which basically boils down to corporation worship
It's not as dramatic as that, it's not about giving corporations the unrestricted power to do whatever they want at the expense of the little guy like in some cyberpunk novel, rather it's about giving all individuals (legal citizens) the power to do whatever they want, as long as it's all voluntary. So society will be ruled by millions of private individuals, these individuals can form various organizations, business groups, clubs, clans, and yes, corporations too, as long as they do it voluntarily. Think of it like modern Japan, no one worships corporations there, it's all about every individual's unhindered ability to earn money and seek their version of happiness, corporations are just groups of individuals held together by contracts that they signed voluntarily.
>Corporatism is the economic policy of Fascism, where specific corporations are giving state support in the belief that they will benefit the state better than a competitive free market
Why would there be a state in an anarcho-capitalist society? In ancap, every man is a king or a dictator of his own property, if anything, ancap is more monarchical than fascist. Corporatism, corporate worship, and literal fascism is what you find in the modern US, or in modern Russia, the latter being a more extreme example.
>And HHH main belief boils down to just resetting the world order and letting everyone serperate into their own little communities which is why it is attractive to fascist. Think of it like this, do you support open borders like the Koch brothers and Antifa do? How does this conflict with your homogeneous communities are better idea?
Hoppe is a national-capitalist, not a national-socialist, his main belief is the forceful physical removal of democrats and socialists in order to realistically achieve a libertarian social order. Fascists want closed borders and slavery of their fellow countrymen because they believe it will bring them some sort of greater prosperity to have everyone serve the state and let the state interfere with their lives, rather than letting their own people be free to seek their own version happiness to the best of their abilities, at least economically. Closed borders are great, but closed borders together with leftist economics just gives you an imprisoned, enslaved nation.
No.91503
>>91502
>it's okay to rape babies, as long as you do it for the greater good
Literally yes, you illogical pussy.
>>91493
>anarchist (aka lolbertarian) calling anyone a larper
No.91505
>>91502
> his main belief is the forceful physical removal of democrats and socialists in order to realistically achieve a libertarian social order
In other words, hes a nationalist who wants to murder socialist or anyone else who doesnt agree with his views. Again, this is the main appeal of him and is the reason he is so popular among ancap alt-righters. If a big bussiness wants to hire third world labor, or simply ship factories over there, theres no recourse for the average citizen to do anything to stop it since there is no state. This fantasy that everyone is just going to operate on "scouts honor" is fucking delusional because people arent honorable. They lie and cheat all the time, which is why sociopaths do so well in the business world.
No.91508
>>91503
>>91493
Stop misusing the word LARP before it gets as played out and meaningless as atusim, edgy, and the like have.
No.91509
No.91510
>>91505
>theres no recourse for the average citizen to do anything to stop it since there is no state
There literally is. It's called "stop supporting that business and convince others to do the same". Corporations go where the money is. If hiring foreign labor gets consumers to stop buying their products and/or services, they will stop hiring foreign labor. If it doesn't, they won't. That's the free market at work.
No.91512
>>91505
>This fantasy that everyone is just going to operate on "scouts honor" is fucking delusional because people arent honorable.
What scouts honor? International trade is not a zero-sum game, you retard. Shipping factories to shithole countries where labour is cheap does allow the niggers there to get jobs, but importantly, it makes the products that YOU are buying in your own country much cheaper due to reduced labour costs for companies. If you want to pay a hundred dollars for a shirt, go ahead and bring those factories back, commie.
>They lie and cheat all the time, which is why sociopaths do so well in the business world.
Yes, retard-kun. Which is exactly why ancap is so great, we are not trying to change human nature, we are not trying to make human beings kinder, more loyal to each other, more honourable, or anything at all. You can be a sociopath, a nigger, an evil kike who has no love or loyalty to the nation, but you will still be compelled to work towards everyone's benefit, because the end doesn't justify the means in ancap, in ancap the means are already just by default, in other words, the system is designed so that you can only benefit from helping others to benefit and you will suffer the appropriate punishment for bringing some kind of involuntary harm to others, all that matters is your ability to bring a service to others.
No.91513
>>91512
>What scouts honor?
NAP. Its utterly delusional to believe that giant corporations will just hold hands and play nice with everyone instead of using everything in their power to crush any competition. Why wouldnt they bring back slavery?
No.91514
>>91510
>It's called "stop supporting that business and convince others to do the same".
And what if they just decide to round up any possible people organizing a boycott and physically remove them because thats "socialism"? There is no recourse against a giant corporation, especially if its a monopoly.
No.91516
>>91514
>what if they just decide to round up any possible people organizing a boycott and physically remove them because thats "socialism"?
Only states can do that. Where and how are they able to obtain the funding for military force sans a state? The only corporations that were able to do that is through the state (e.g. Chiquita and United Fruit Company).
No.91533
>>91505
physical removal isn't murder. It's only been a few days since he explained this for the nth time. It means making fun of them and refusing to cooperate with them.
No.91535
>>91533
It is when it's about borders, which aren't voluntary for neither those inside or outside.
No.91538
>>91516
>militias only exist with a state
what are you talking about? Will PMCs just not exist in ancapistan? Why do you have this almost child like naivety that corporations arent run by the most brutal sociopaths imaginable who will do whatever it takes to win?
No.91544
Anyone who supports US age of consent laws should be thrown out of a helicopter. My /liberty/ power level is over 9000.
No.91549
>>91535
>it is when it's about borders
I'm sorry, does deporting or banishing someone now require murdering them?
No.91555
>>91538
> Why do you have this almost child like naivety that corporations arent run by the most brutal sociopaths imaginable who will do whatever it takes to win?
Because corporations are composed out of the same people as anything else and have no bigger(probably even smaller) likelihood of being run by sociopaths than governments. It's you who are naive to ignore that government is no different than a PMC monopolist who will act similarly which is why we advocate for conditions that offer most autonomy and independence so people are free to organize differently if something goes wrong with least problems and rules that would slower the process of recovery and give the monopolist an advantage and more leverage.
No.91556
>>91549
When he defends himself.
No.91559
>>91556
>Everyone everywhere told "stop trespassing" will violently resist
>defense is now murder
No.91560
>>91544
I hope you stand beside me in a decade or so, when I make my desperate attempt to unfuck a broken system or die trying. Somebody has to do it.
No.91564
>>91555
>>91555
>t's you who are naive to ignore that government is no different than a PMC monopolist
Thats where you are wrong. I fully recognize that a government can and is run by corrupt sociopaths, which is why I love a representative democratic republican form of government. There is recourse to those in government, in that I can elect them, and if they do something I dont like, I can unelect them. Government under this system is accountable to the people.
While corporations are not. They are top down structures, you do what the boss says or your fired. They are completely unaccountable. The only way they are is under some communist system (which makes this point moot since the government is just the unaccountable ones) OR, we simply put certain restrictions on corporations so they dont violate the freedom or lives of their workers. Whats to stop some mega monopoly from just turning all their employes into literal slaves, giving them just enough food to survive, educating the next generation just enough to do the work, and employing a caste of soldiers to keep order and eliminate any threat to this system? The entire foundation of liberal philosophy is understanding that in the natural state of thing, people are assholes. Giant corporations can trample all over your autonomy and independence just as much as a giant government.
No.91575
>>91564
>I love a representative democratic republican form
I bet you love watching blacks fucking your girlfriend too.
>There is recourse to those in government, in that I can elect them, and if they do something I dont like, I can unelect them
Do you really believe you can? Or is it "we" and so your pitful opinion starts to matter?
>Government under this system is accountable to the people.
So you're literally retarded.
>They are top down structures, you do what the boss says or your fired
<What are coops
<What is voluntary cooperation
<What is sponsorship
Fucking cunt.
>we simply put certain restrictions on corporations so they dont violate the freedom or lives of their workers
So you violate their freedom so they don't do it themselves somehow?
>some mega monopoly
Your mega monopolies are the direct result of the regulations retards like you enact. Don't kill off all the competing companies just to complain about monopolies afterwards, fuckwit.
>turning all their employes into literal slaves, giving them just enough food to survive, educating the next generation just enough to do the work, and employing a caste of soldiers to keep order and eliminate any threat to this system
You mean, becoming a government?
>liberal philosophy
Choke on a tranny dick, worthless scum.
>Giant corporations can trample all over your autonomy and independence just as much as a giant government.
No they can not. I can shoot a corp employee if he brakes the law and attacks me or invades my property. I cannot do that with a state, this is the very difference between them and if they act differently they are no longer corporations and are a state or an element of it.
No.91576
Is 4chan closed or something? We're having too many democucks nowadays.
No.91578
>>91560
>implying the time to act on that wasn't 15-20 years ago
>implying we have a decade left before humanity is completely destroyed by our shitty corporate government "leaders"
No.91583
>>91564
>I love a representative democratic republican form of government.
>>91576
reddit is leaking, about 2 weeks or so ago they banned or quarantined a bunch of subs, most prominently the qlarp sub. Displaced redditors briefly went to Voat, left because they got called niggers too many times and couldn't take the hazing, then left for 8chan, because some dumb fuck gave them the idea that imageboards would be more tolerant and accepting. Every so often one of them tries to step out of his containment board and make boomer noises.
No.91585
>>91575
>needlessly hostile butthurt non arguments
You also post like a complete autist. You are living proof of the sort of asocial retard that makes up the core of the ancap meme movement.
No.91586
>>91583
I think its really just the ancaps (who are basically just fascist) getting angry at actual liberals coming on the liberty board
No.91588
>>91586
Imagine being this retarded.
No.91590
>>91585
Keep projecting, faggot.
No.91591
>>91583
Thanks, this actually explains a lot. For the first time i'm a bit grateful to /pol/ for including da jooz in every sentence
No.91599
>>91564
Good luck trying to find a goverment that's elected by the majority of the adult population, as there's very few of them. And even if your goverment is elected by the majority, this doesn't equal their voters' most important causes as being ones that get implemented. Especially if the elected goverment is multi-party or the party elected has a large variation of opinion. Even if all those requirements are met, in which case the goverment would follow the whims of the majority of the adult population, ad populum has no actual bearing on truth or right.
No.91600
>>91559
>being locked up in your own property is trespassing
No.91602
>>91586
What does liberalism have to do with liberty?
No.91633
>>91602
Everything. But first, you need to realize that the people who call themselves "liberals" these days are actually authoritarian collectivists who co-opted the term and got everybody else to believe them. I firmly hold this as the scummiest thing they have ever done.
No.91638
>>91633
>all collectivism is bad REEEEE, hyper-individualism nao!
No.91655
>>91638
>murdoch murdoch cartoon
>strawmanning
>retarded false dichotomy extremism
>getting this butthurt at liberty on the liberty board in the first place
opinion forever discarded.
No.91660
>>91655
<retarded false dichotomy extremism
>failing reading comprehension this hard
No.91661
>>91638
Collectivism IS bad, Cletus, because it encourages groupthink and emotional reactionism as opposed to independent thought and logic.
No.91663
>>91638
>why does everyone hate collectivism even though all my ideas are authoritarian
No.91669
>>91661
Here's the thing boyo, "groupthink and emotional reactionism" is what humans do best. Common interest, a sense of belonging, and in-group preference are very strong motivators and the best way to spur people into action, and supporting individual rights doesn't require you to autistically focus on individualism and only individualism. The left sees this and has managed to use identity politics to great effect, which is one of the prime reasons they're so much better organized. If you want the cause of liberty to succeed you're going to have to appeal to some baser, more human instincts. You really think Abdul and Tyrone give a shit about the finer points of Marxist literature? They don't know the first thing about it, but thanks to the left's embrace of pro-brown rhetoric they've become dedicated footsoldiers of Marxism, loyally fighting for it in both the ballot box and street riots.
No.91677
>>91669
Are you going to achieve society on the opposite end of left by utilizing leftist methods. Looks like you're a fascist shill.
No.91683
>>91669
>this shitty appeal to nature brought about by years of no real social interaction
No.91684
>>91669
I'm not concerned with reaching everybody. I'm concerned with reaching one person, who can then go on to reach one person as I reach one more person, so on and so forth. The day I use leftist tactics to manipulate others is the day I can no longer call myself libertarian, because when I use those tactics I am no longer fighting for liberty but instead attempting to enslave others to promote my agenda.
Nobody ever claimed that fighting the good fight was supposed to be easy.
No.91691
To understand /leftypol/ you first have to understand the Left and Jewish subversion in its totality.
Principle 1: The Jew does not actually desire a Communist revolution as Marx or even (in a rare case of a Jew acting genuinely) as Lenin envisioned. Jews want a quasi-revolution that empowers THEM at the expense of the goyim, hence their reliance on urbanite bureacrats, vanguards made up of intellectuals, criminals and low-level state officials, etc.
Actual peasant uprisings historically have ALWAYS resulted in Jews being exterminated, particularly in Eastern Europe–I'm sure you're familiar with the Khmelnytsky Uprising, where Cossacks and others essentially rose up against their Polish masters not so much because the Poles were Catholic and oppressing them, but specifically because they employed Jews as landlords and administrators who ruthlessly exploited Ukraine and the Cossacks. Jews do not want organic revolts but controlled revolts–i.e., they don't want ACTUAL left-wing revolutions, they want systemic transfers of power to Jews or Jewish agents which they can *call* revolutions.
Principle 2: As a result of Principle 1, the Jews must ensure that any revolutionary movement is controlled by Jews, or else to ineffectual to actually instigate and win a rebellion against the current social order without Jewish assistance. The greatest weapon in the arsenal of the Jew is Intersectionality, and it has been employed to GREAT effect in every field, but especially against Left-Wing movements in general. Part of the reason why Jews are primarily associated with the Left is that Intersectionality, or Identity Politics, makes it very easy for those movements to control.
Conclusion: Because of Principles 1 and 2, any Left-Wing group that is not currently infested by trannies, niggers, various shitskins, faggots etc, is targeted for mass-inclusion of those peoples because this is the only way that Jews can break up and control them or render them inert. If a left-wing group were actually made up of white men, it might succeed–this is totally intolerable to the Jew, so he finds ways to sabotage these groups by forcing these marginalized mentally ill people into them at every opportunity.
A side-note: This is also what happened to Jewbertarianism, Atheism (remember Atheism+?) and most recently the "Skeptic" community, and it is what happened to the "Alt-Right" as well. Jews will actively seek to sneak faggots, blacks, Jews, Jew-Enabling goyim and other corrosive elements into any movement, because the very EXISTENCE of diversity grants Jews power within that movement.
TL;DR, Jews sabotaged the Left hard, and /leftypol/ is the perfect example of what an ineffectual, weak, and cultureless political group looks like. Halfchan's /pol/ has also been subverted ruthlessly in this manner. This is why ZERO tolerance is important. ZERO compromise. Any crack no matter how small can and will be exploited to turn your movement or space of conversation into an ineffectual cringe-arena.
No.91692
>>91691
Nice blogpost, faggot. Now go back to >>>/pol/ and tell everyone how you "owned" those lolberts.
No.91696
>>91677
>>91684
What the fuck are "leftist tactics?" Are you going to refuse to organize non-profits out of spite, just because leftists do it? Is protesting immoral because leftists do it? That's like saying the AKM is an immoral weapon because the commies used it. You're not being "principled", you're just using self-righteous superiority to mask your own indolence. It doesn't matter what your affiliation is, the fact is there are things that work and things that don't. And a lot of what the left does—and I'm not talking about hitting people with bike locks, I mean the regular, inoffensive shit—works. They've divided up their movements into a diaspora of single-issue advocacy groups, that focus on one topic and don't get into each other's way. Except for RTKBA and to a lesser extent abortion, the right has no ability to to this, and they've suffered for it. By putting everything under the vague big-tent of "conservatism," the right becomes aimless and impotent, and constantly cede ground until we get to today, where their only real positions are "money for Israel and low taxes for trannies." You want evidence of the effectiveness of this, just look at the fags. Less than three percent of the population and in fifty years they've gotten Hollywood on their side, public opinion on their side, even the Supreme Court ruling in their favor; the only other group that has that much sway for their size is the goddamn Jews. Your enemy is your best teacher, don't deny yourself that resource out of stubbornness.
>>91683
>le sweaty basement dweller may may
How's that hentai treating you, Eichenwald?
No.91697
>>91696
>Are you going to refuse to organize non-profits out of spite
Non-profits, empathy or altruism in general have nothing to do with collectivism. Not understanding this as a libertarian means you're either a shill or not very educated person.
>Your enemy is your best teacher
“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you”
No.91698
>>91696
>What the fuck are "leftist tactics?"
Appeals to emotion and the outright denial of logic, in order to galvanize an unthinking, unquestioning mass of people for support. I'm not arguing that it isn't effective, because the last hundred years shows just exactly how effective it is. I'm just saying that it's scummy and the use of these tactics will lead not to the future you want, but to the inevitable corruption of the future you want. The road to hell, as they say.
No.91702
>>91697
>Non-profits, empathy or altruism in general have nothing to do with collectivism.
I can only imagine the hyperbolic levels of autism one needs to read what I wrote and pull out that hot garbage. Lurk for two years, learn reading comprehension, then kill yourself.
>>91698
>I'm just saying that it's scummy and the use of these tactics will lead not to the future you want
You're assuming that "leftist tactics" (and need I remind you, the "scummy tactics" to which you are referring are nothing more than a change of outreach strategy) are the proximate cause of the current corruption we see and not leftism itself. Their failure lies in the fact that they cause people to support leftism, which all on its own wreaks havoc. Those same tools used in pursuit of liberty will make people support liberty, which is not a state of affairs which lends itself towards havoc and destruction. Before you go around preaching doom about corruption and chaos because of tactics, at least consider the chain of events that would lead to such a state. We use what you call leftist tactics to spread our ideas. Becasue we've switched to a more effective means of communicating, more people become sympathetic to liberty, which is ultimately the end goal, no?
No.91704
>>91702
i like what you're saying but seems to be getting real close to 'end justify the means' thinking
No.91706
>>91704
If I was advocating for unjustified means you might have a point; once again, I'm not suggesting people go out and "punch more commies" or whatever. I don't see anything immoral in any of my suggestions, excepting for those autists who consider voting immoral.
No.91708
>>91696
>How's that hentai treating you, Eichenwald?
What are you even talking about? Why do you even pretend to give a shit about liberty if youre just some basic bitch alt-righter who is using all their shitty propaganda and talking points?
No.91710
>>91708
Because I do give a shit about liberty, that's one of the reasons I'd like to see libertarians actually adopt strategies that work instead of circlejerking on Congolese scrapbooking websites. You have any arguments or more autistic pearl-clutching?
>everything that hurts my feelings is alt-right!!1!
Still waiting for an argument.
No.91711
>>91710
>admit you dont like liberty or democracy while also posting alt-right shit
>getting butthurt for no reason at all when I just point this out
No.91712
>>91711
>democracy
>pro-liberty
>democracy
good
No.91716
>>91712
Democracy has more freedom than you'd allow.
No.91717
>>91702
It's effective because it's manipulative. Do what you want, it's ironic that the southern boy who most likely believes he will be judged by the Almighty after his death is more willing to emotionally manipulate people than the godless heathen is.
No.91726
>>91716
Democracy is in every way antithetical to freedom; it is nothing more than a soft form of communism and never in the history of ideas has it been treated as anything but. There's a reason the left and its band of misfits are the ones who shill the hardest for it. Fuck off back to reddit Qtard.
>>91717
>emotions are manipulative REEEEEE
You can't possibly be this stupid, can you? If you want to reach people, you speak to them in the language they understand best. It's the same reason people kvetch about Trump having the "vocabulary of a 4th grader" despite graduating from Wharton; he intentionally simplified his speech because he knew that would be more relatable to the working class that supports him, far more so than wheeling out the thesaurus and rattling off a bunch of five dollar words. It's not "manipulative," it's how you develop good communication skills. Likewise, using emotional appeals to speak to emotional people is just good sense, because they cannot and will not be swayed by logic.
No.91730
>>91691
>Ayn Rand and "statism is robbery on the same shirt"
Congrats, faggot. Now even the retards now you have no idea what you're shitposting about. Also, it's "taxatiom is theft", not that chinese ripoff slogan.
No.91735
>>91711
Not a fan of the alt-right shilling either, so I suggest you stop shilling for democracy, as it is a neccessary component of all the worst forms of the state.
No.91741
>>91726
>Likewise, using emotional appeals to speak to emotional people is just good sense, because they cannot and will not be swayed by logic.
Then there is no hope anyway. I disbelieve that these people cannot be swayed by logic; I just see it to be a difficult task, similar to breaking the conditioning of an indoctrinated cultist. You don't break that conditioning by using the same tactics the cult used to convince them to throw away reason, you do so by exposing the untruths and contradictions espoused by the cult and giving them an outlet for their cognitive dissonance until they finally make the choice to think for themselves once again.
No.91744
>>91741
The most hilarious part of this "muh logic" rhetoric is that you and your fellow MAGApedes probably blindly worship the founding fathers and their great ideological revolution. Well guess what? There wasn't any intellectual honesty in the American Revolution either. It wasn't some uprising of people who logically deduced self-governance was in their own interest after a nuanced discussion in the taproom, that's ridiculous. A bunch of uneducated plebs were spurred into revolt by propaganda, lead by a small group of elite plantation owners who, at the end of the day, simply didn't want to lose so much revenue to British taxes. There is not a single group in history that got any meaningful goal accomplished with your retarded non-tactics, and the only thing following them will win you is a position with some increasingly-detached think tank in the Beltway that can't influence policy for shit. You can't even say you're doing this out of principle, because if you actually gave two shits about the principles you claim to follow you'd put more of an effort into making sure they stay alive. You're like the le enlightened big-brained centrists, propping up your ineptitude and sloth as these great hallmarks of intellectualism, just so you can claim superiority to everyone around you by being impotent.
No.91748
>>91744
>The most hilarious part of this "muh logic" rhetoric is that you and your fellow MAGApedes probably blindly worship the founding fathers and their great ideological revolution.
Wew lad. You could have tried to shift the topic from your deceitful tactics to personal attacks a lot less noticeably. So much for the logical and honest discussion.
>You're like the le enlightened big-brained centrists
t. /pol/ack butthurt about unwillingness to fuck over people like the ones who we oppose do. Go shill for this shit somewhere else, nobody's buying this bullshit.
No.91759
>>91744
>A bunch of uneducated plebs were spurred into revolt by propaganda, lead by a small group of elite plantation owners who, at the end of the day, simply didn't want to lose so much revenue to British taxes.
So, the issue totally wasn't that these elite plantation owners were not being represented by the government that was leeching their money away to pay for wars halfway across the world? It was just a bunch of greedy, money-grubbing capitalists whining about how they weren't making enough money off of exploiting the underclass? Wow, I never knew.
You're like some bizarre parody of somebody who tried to slam /pol/ views together with /leftypol/ views. You're a Horsey comic mixed with a Ben Garrison comic.
No.91763
>>91759
>So, the issue totally wasn't that these elite plantation owners were not being represented by the government that was leeching their money away to pay for wars halfway across the world?
>It was just a bunch of greedy, money-grubbing capitalists whining about how they weren't making enough money off of exploiting the underclass?
Don't put words in my mouth dumbass, and practice reading comprehension. Did I say these elites weren't justified retard? Did I call them evil money-grubbers, or bash them in any way? No, the elites are usually the only ones that have their shit together and they become opinion-formers for a reason. And that's precisely the point I was making, doublenigger, if you had cared to read more carefully: it's irrelevant to this argument that the elites were justified, the point is that they were the ones who incited revolt. There was no Socratic discussion room where all the American people logically came to accept the value of freedom, they were handed this value by elites who used appeals to emotion and authority as their primary tools of persuasion. Anyone who thinks you can spread an idea by speaking to people purely in cold logic and ignoring potential appeals to emotion is an idiot caught up in his own sense of superiority.
No.91775
>>91763
>Anyone who thinks you can spread an idea by speaking to people purely in cold logic and ignoring potential appeals to emotion is an idiot caught up in his own sense of superiority.
Even if you try, you'll end up like this in the end because what you're doing is creating a state, even if it's only in people's minds. To reach ancap successfully you need to have conditions that offer great personal autonomy and independence - like space travel or new lands and unowned new-found island groups or any other frontier. By creating centralized organ of control of people, be it their property, lives or ideas you'll need up with the tool being abused and used against all those ideals you strived and dreamt to achieve.
No.91778
>>91763
> There was no Socratic discussion room where all the American people logically came to accept the value of freedom
They didn't need some kind of fucking "discussion room" to understand it, you smoker-of-horse-pole-until-climax. The people who went to the New World did so because they already wanted freedom, you triplenigger. Nobody needed to fucking convince them that freedom was something to value; they already knew that because that was the entire goddamn reason they left in the first place. They didn't need to be convinced to value freedom, they needed to be convinced to FIGHT for it, and most of them already had logical reasons to desire freedom. You and your "uneducated plebs" bullshit only shows that you're an arrogant twat who thinks that he would be one of the "elites" convincing the "uneducated plebs" to fight for YOUR cause.
No.91787
>>91497
>…And there it is, retardation rears its ugly head. There's no "corporation worship" in ancap. It's a fine way of organizing large businesses but largely over-represented in the current market compared to a privatized one–corporations are given a variety of tax breaks, regulatory benefits, and legal benefits (namely limited liability) that incentivize their formation over sole proprietorships. Not exactly corporatism there is it?
I agree with this except the implication that in a free market there would not be any limited liability business arrangements. As it currently stands it is a legal construction where a business has to be chartered with government approval to receive limited liability status but I do not see how in a free market a proprietorship, partnership, or corporation could issue bonds or take loans with a contract stipulating that all debt is limited liability.
>>91564
While corporations are not. They are top down structures, you do what the boss says or your fired. They are completely unaccountable.
Don't you know how corporations are even structured you ignorant retard? Managers of a corporation aren't the owners of it, the CEO, CFO, upper and lower management are all beholden to the stockholders who actually own the firm. Stockholders a lot of the time even propose and vote on certain things with proportion to the stock they own.
No.91809
>>91787
>Stockholders a lot of the time even propose and vote on certain things with proportion to the stock they own.
So in other words, the owerners decide what happens and from a top down structure, those lower do as they are told or are fired. Pathetic attempt at deflecting form this point.
No.91812
>>91787
>I agree with this except the implication that in a free market there would not be any limited liability business arrangements.
I didn't mean to imply there would be no limited-liability, merely that due to the realities of current legislation this type of business is over-represented.
No.92011
>all these people arguing over autistic semantics of whether there should be no government or some in their specific imagined perfect, impossibly idealistic world
>meanwhile in the real world the real life government is taxing, imprisoning, censoring, torturing, killing, invading, policing, spying and laughing at how none of them are actually doing something about it
Every chance I get, every time I meet a normie I try to tell them all about the millions of people imprisoned and tortured by the US government, the millions of civilians in foreign nations the US or its puppet dictators have massacred, the total slavery every citizen is subjected to by income taxes and the surveillance state, and about how every economic bubble and crash is actually a global ponzi scheme forced upon everyone by the (((central banks))), (((crony capitalists))) and (((intelligence community))) designed to generate their wealth and maintain their influence, and how it happened in 2008 and is literally happening again now, and how the only way to escape from the nightmare is to read rothbard, mises, hoppe and ron paul, and move to a freer jurisdiction where others are receptive to the ideas of liberty. I'm convinced the US is on the brink of a total economic meltdown as it spins down the drain, that there's going to be a massive depression and a ridiculous amount of civil unrest and violence on the part of the feds, and that I have to escape as soon as possible before shit really starts hitting the fan. I'm going to visit Switzerland for at least a few weeks within the next year to find out if it's really as libertarian as some claim or it's just a meme and as statist as the rest of Europe.
Why aren't any of you doing these things?
No.92013
>>92011
>Every chance I get, every time I meet a normie I try to tell them all about
Make a lot of friends this way?
No.92015
>>91575
This poster stinks of /pol/, even though I agree with a lot of what he says.
No.92022
>>92015
Nah, i just had bad mood. Even leftists are not as annoying as normalfaggot democracycucks. Sucdems come close but they're at least honest in that they are leftists.
No.93583
put these on about a month before midterms
I live in hennepin county in mn (includes much of minneapolis and it's sprawl) and I wanted to be visible to hopefully encourage closet conservatives to vote as its a deep blue county
didn't have much of an impact I'm afraid, but I'll settle for tweaking a few people with "proud liberal" and bernie bumper stickers