/liberty/ - Liberty

>>89424

>immoral

fuck off

>>89424

I imagine community would play a much larger role in AnCap than it currently does since people would have to rely on each other for charity and such, and thus it would be strange if a newcomer showed up and suddenly people were having organs stolen or ending up dead. There'd be a disincentive to commit most immoral crimes simply because they'd be easier to track (forensic sciences would see a boom as you'd actually have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that X committed Y) and they'd largely not have much reason to do stuff like harvest organs or steal babies when some bugman in China will give you either for $5. A lot of people would probably be armed too, so I just don't see it being very cost-effective to work on the red market post-government unless you're obsessive, speaking as an agorist. The red market is more to point out shit government does in agorist theory.

I guess it would ultimately come down to cyber security companies since they'd be able to do a lot more ethical hacking without the government in the way saying they can't because it's an act od war, and maybe private security/law enforcement agencies once the crimes leave the internet.

>>89424

Well first of all, murder, rape, theft, and slavery are currently monopolized by the state, and we all know that the state committed many, many, more of these crimes than any private individual could have. So in an ancap society, we would at least have that out of the way.

Second, the people or gangs that start providing these "services" will also have to take into account the steep costs and risks of violating the NAP that so many people, companies, and organizations would be enforcing, and whose security services would be much more effective than the government's I imagine.

>>89425

Why? Explain why without appealing to morals yourself, directly or indirectly.

>>89424

> Enough to start creating an assassination market

>Start

>>89426

>I guess it would ultimately come down to cyber security companies since they'd be able to do a lot more ethical hacking without the government in the way saying they can't because it's an act od war, and maybe private security/law enforcement agencies once the crimes leave the internet.

That's what I was thinking. The story could follow a group of hackers who work at a private security firm to take down red market activities. Through their point of view, you could explore more of the world and how things work in AnCap society like private courts and multiple legal systems with different AnCap cultures.

>>89427

>Well first of all, murder, rape, theft, and slavery are currently monopolized by the state, and we all know that the state committed many, many, more of these crimes than any private individual could have

True the state commits more but plenty of groups like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc are capable of committing crimes. Many use the internet anonymity to coordinate these attacks.

>How would an AnCap society deal with activities like forced trafficking, organ theft, and assassination markets?

>forced trafficking

Kill those who threaten you because the right to bear arms is inherently AnCap

>organ theft

Kill those who threaten you because the right to bear arms is inherently AnCap

>assassination markets

Kill those who threaten you because the right to bear arms is inherently AnCap

>>89424

why do you think assassination is immoral? are you against death sentence?

>>89517

Aren't most libertarians against the death penalty as they see it as violence and empowering to the state? But that is where parallel legal systems come into play with different communities acting differently to societal issues.

>>89616

The death penalty isn't bad in itself, it's just bad when the state does it (as they penalize either on someone else's account, without necessarily gaining permission, or simply on account of some crime that's not even a violation of the NAP).

>>89517

Assassination against someone innocent is obviously immoral. Against someone you could kill in ancap, it's completely fine.

>>89616

you can do death penalty without a state

>>89635

voluntary or contract-mandated death penalty?

>>89642

both :^)

>>89642

I am guessing if you enter a community that practices the death penalty, then you will have to either accept the rules of the community, accept the death penalty itself, or leave for another community.

>>89616

>Aren't most libertarians against the death penalty as they see it as violence and empowering to the state?

I'm against the death penalty because 1.) it's more expensive than life imprisonment and done for no other reason than to give the victim and the rest of the spectators a sense of vengeance. Not justice, vengeance. And 2.) Better a thousand guilty men walk free than a single person be executed for a crime he did not commit.

>>89734

basicly this

>>89473

>Many use the internet anonymity to coordinate these attacks.

>It's a "we need the government to track down cybercriminals" thread

Go ahead and take a look at the FBI's track record on cybercrimes. I can count the number of convictions on my hands. On top of that, it's always for harmless shit like IP infringement rather than actual NAP violations like WannaCry. The internet does not make government more necessary in any way.

>>89753

I'm not saying it did. Just spit balling ideas.

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