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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.89415

The alt-right is where the intellectual wing of the libertarian movement goes to die. This accelerating downward spiral into esoteric nonsense and spiritual absolutism is an anathema to any political ideology that wants to maintain an upward trend in the public discourse. I would like to add a corollary to the heuristic for movements that are not explicitly right-wing moving left, and that is that any movement that loses touch with methodology drifts towards vague appeals based upon aesthetics. And it's also really gaaaaaaaaaay.

 No.89437

>>89415

wasnt hitlerism spiritual and esoteric? yet it managed to maintain an uprawrd trend in the public discourse


 No.89440

>>89437

We are in a post-spiritual world. And at any rate, it was dumbed down to such a point to appeal to the banalities of Mass Man's material desires. How many Germans do you think actually read Rosenberg?


 No.89474

>>89415

do you want a very autistic, intellectual book club of 50 nerds spread across the world or an actual society

communication strategy is very different for both

why choose


 No.89475

>>89415

>drifts towards vague appeals based upon aesthetics

why are we taking for granted that a stable (as in sustainable) state is the most efficient? at this point I doubt they are


 No.89478

The alt-right is a myth started by imageboards and perpetuated by the mainstream media.


 No.89484

>>89437

It's about as spiritual and esoteric as some vegan slut who believes in horoscopes.


 No.89516

>>89440

how many peasants in medieval age do you think actually read tomas aquinas?


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 No.89848

LOL, we don't want ya. Most of the alt-right is comprised of a fucking massive exodus from libertardianism when we got sick of you fags "muh principles" cucking on race and free speech to go suck the corporate cocks of Google, FaceBook, and the Kochs because private property if more sacrosanct the existence of your people. We got sick of you stabbing the right in the throat and putting up an utterly impotent resistance against the left because that would violate your NAP.

The only libertarians left are mostly ultra spergy types, literal kikes, magapede zoomers, and paid shills.


 No.89849

>>89848

>things that never happened, the post

Guess how I know you've never read a word of libertarian thought, and are just trying to out-edge your fellow LARPers?


 No.89855

>>89848

>am I cool yet, /pol/?

Cringe.


 No.89864

>>89848

>Massive exodus from Libertarianism

>Libertarianism and massive in one sentence

I want to live in your dreamworld.


 No.89920

>>89848

>pretending to whine about free speech.

>still can't show a kibbutz or commune because there might be naked children.

Oh, yeah. You guys are totes liberty and hella legit. Cry moar.


 No.89923

>>89848

This guy is a retarded faggot, but he's right about libertarianism not being aggressive enough.


 No.89934

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>>89923

What's "libertarianism?" Who, specifically, isn't being aggressive enough? That doesn't describe Ron Paul. People like Hoppe certainly don't pull any punches, and while they stay on the more scholarly side of things the folk at the Mises Institute never try to pander to the left. Whenever NEETSocs or someone else claims this, they're never all that keen on specifics. They just make a bunch of sweeping claims, intimating that all libertarians are all blurry photocopies of Gary Johnson. After pointing out that this description doesn't fit all or even most libertarians, they either ignore the request for evidence, or go into a spastic fit and make the same claims they were before, only with more vigor and less coherence. The core of the liberty movement has never been afraid to be radical or to contradict the mainstream; we know from experience that the "compromise" route is a road to nowhere, and that what some call radical to many others becomes a breath of fresh air. The /pol/acks are just unable to realize this, because they can't seem to grasp the idea that being aggressive and outspoken doesn't always involve becoming edgier than a razor blade factory.


 No.89935

>>89934

>After pointing out that this description doesn't fit all or even most libertarians, they either ignore the request for evidence, or go into a spastic fit and make the same claims they were before, only with more vigor and less coherence.

They do this with everything, not just libertarianism.


 No.89941

>>89934

>The /pol/acks are just unable to realize this, because they can't seem to grasp the idea that being aggressive and outspoken doesn't always involve becoming edgier than a razor blade factory.

As someone who's spent far too long taking the more scholarly route you describe, I'm honestly starting to think that it should. It's become incredibly apparent that most people are total shitheads who don't respect evidence or reasoning. The only thing they respect is force. The only thing they're interested in is taking everything for themselves and inflicting as much suffering on innocents as possible because it makes them feel like big, strong men when they're worthless individually and can only do things like that when supported by weight of numbers. In a more just society, the moment some antifa Twitter faggot says "muh roads" or "haha what if teh child (who's above the age of consent in every sane country) consents tho" would be the moment you send the McDrones to their house and blast it off the fucking planet because they've done every last goddamn thing to demonstrate that their mere existence is an NAP violation. Being Shadow the Edgelord-tier aggressive and having the firepower to back it up is the only thing that's ever going to make these asswipes think twice before they try their bullshit.


 No.89944

>>89941

Being retarded isn't a violation of the NAP you fucking retard. You should be happy it's not.


 No.89945

>>89941

>As someone who's spent far too long taking the more scholarly route you describe

It doesn't even have to be scholarly. A lot of libertarian stuff is just straightforward, commonsense stuff that you don't need a massive intellect or a PhD to grasp–it's just a matter of common sense being drilled out of most people in the public schools over certain issues. Because of that, you don't need to use force to educate a fair number of people about liberty. Just look at Ron Paul and how many people he influenced, basically with speeches alone. It's been almost nine years since his last bid for the White House, and with it the last time he had major publicity, but he's still influencing people today, and all with the kind of rhetoric that you might describe as scholarly. Further, while there are people that only ever respond to force, it's safe to just ignore them. Even if you manage to convert them to our side they wouldn't actually do anything, besides tacitly supporting what they see as the "winning" side once the dust settles. They're basically dead weight one way or the other, so there's no point wasting resources trying to convert them when that time and energy can be spent discussing the merits of freedom with someone halfway competent, who could actually help the movement.


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>>89848

>your people


 No.90175

Look, bro. I know, I know you think I'm not entitled to have sex with animals just like your uncle was not entitled to that blowjob he made you give him when you came home from the pediatrician. I know, preventing me from having sex with animals is your way of making right your own past. You are empowering yourself, using animals as therapy doll proxy of yourself to tell me, your imaginary rapist…

"No that is my no-no place, play with your own!" You are using your animals the way alcoholics drink heavily to suppress their rough past.


 No.90254

>>90175

humans are animals too


 No.90288

>>90254

Friendly reminder not to respond to blatant shitposting. Starvation is the only cure.


 No.90689

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As stupid and dysfunctional as much (most?) of the actual alt-right is, the question remains about the respect for liberty that does or ever has existed outside of majority "white" (christian/greco-roman/anglo-saxan) countries.

If no country in the world outside of "white" ones has ever really embraced liberty to any significant extent, this probably has real-world consequences for immigration and demographics in general for "white" countries in the world today.. No shame in recognizing this fact, except false shame dumped on people by leftists and globalists.


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