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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.89193

Probably the biggest source of ridicule and mockery against the solvency, realism, and desirability of libertarianism I'm seeing right now is coming from right-wing populists, the alt-right, and paleocons furious about right-wing views and figures getting deplatformed on social media. They assert that hoping for free market fixes is delusional and shunning government regulation to force equal access on private companies is cucking to the left. The main thrust takes the form of one of the favored pillories against libertarian philosophy that "it looks great on paper but doesn't work in the real world."

But just what is the valid market-oriented solution to the informal collusion of left-wing power brokers seizing the means of communication to un-thing more and more of the right side of the political spectrum?

>Start your own social media alternative

1. Mobile services won't host you in their app stores.

2. DNS provider seizes your domain

3. Web host just up and leaves

>Well then raise funds for your own computing resources

Patreon, GoFundMe, and other crowdsourcing services drop you

>Then start your own alternative crowdsourcing service

Secure payment processors like PayPal and Stripe refuse to process your transactions

>MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT PROCESSOR

Credit card companies won't acknowledge you.

There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action. Whether it be breaking up tech company monopolies, revoking their Safe Harbor protections, or rescinding common carrier/neutral platform assumptions for these companies.

 No.89200

>>89193

Probably the biggest source of ridicule and mockery against the solvency, realism, and desirability of libertarianism >I'm seeing right now is coming from right-wing populists, the alt-right, and paleocons furious about right-wing views and figures getting deplatformed on social media.

I've noticed this as well, the ethnonationalists are ridiculously hostile to the one group even remotely friendly to their views (who are also the only ones with a sustainable way for them to achieve the homogeneous communities they want). I (((wonder))) who could be behind that?

>There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action.

Yes and no. In the short term that's correct (and to that end I support using voting and political action as a self-defense mechanism), but remember that the government's ability to regulate is the reason these companies are doing this in the first place—the reason it makes sense for them to alienate customers is that the government is bribing them with tax breaks, favorable regulations, and similar kickbacks. You can use punitive action to undo this, but that only delays the problem—governments, especially democracies, only get more leftist with time, and in a term or two those punitive measures will be coming back at us tenfold.

The long-term solution is to work around these barriers. Cryptocurrency is a massive boon here, and due to the decentralized nature you can't hope to block it. If you can't work with crypto, there's checks in the mail, money orders, and good old fashioned cash. It will be slow going, buy the more the movement grows the easier it becomes, as we start creating our own shadow market. And unlike expanding state power to use against our enemies, this can never come back to bite us in the ass.


 No.89201

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>>89193

See OP, you're quite right about one thing, this is not something that the market could solve on its own (yet), because government intervention overpowers the market's ability to provide the alternatives you mentioned, and this is why the "anarcho" part in "anarcho-capitalism" is so important. Quite simply, the reason you can't do any of those things that you mentioned is because your government is telling people that "it's ok to punch a Nazi", and when the evil Nazis try to punch back, they get banned/arrested/shot/or punished in some way, (when in an ideal society it should be the socialists, Marxists, and egalitarians getting bullied).

And as to who controls the discourse and pushes the overton window further left? It doesn't start with the media, it starts with public education. When you end the government's ability to fund leftist professors, they will be forced to go find real jobs instead of further spreading toxic political correctness.


 No.89216

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>>89193

>There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action

I'm sure I could think of something.


 No.89221

>>89201

>>89200

The government isn't bribing big tech to censor its content. That isn't necessary. It's sufficient that these companies employ and are now dependent on the labor of left-thinking people who see fit to wield their power to promote their views and diminish opposing opinions and profits or obligations to shareholders be damned. Virtue signaling is just more important to them especially the 35 and under soycucks in the software division. The political response, in fact, hasn't been positive reinforcement with Democrats rewarding the bans by way of tax breaks, kickbacks, or regulatory capture and the Republicans offering some incentive for adopting a neutral point of view. Instead the Republicans have raised an empty bluster threatening the possibility of regulations they'll never follow through with while the Democrats have decided that Big Tech isn't censorious ENOUGH and is threatening them unless they go further and start collecting user IPs and other personal data to combat hate speech. It's all stick, no carrot with them.

I see no reason to believe that in a totally unregulated laissez-faire system things wouldn't be even more kiked up beyond repair. At least with the current system in place there can be talk of failure to honor the terms of service or uphold contracts on behalf of the platform providers. At least with certain industries like water and electricity being utilities you can't sentence somebody to marinate in their own filth over the long stretch of Winter because some beta faggot clique at the power and water companies decided you were a shitlord. Why should I think that leftist parasites wouldn't cause even worse havoc without regulations to keep them muzzled from time to time?


 No.89227

>>89221

>I see no reason to believe that in a totally unregulated laissez-faire system things wouldn't be even more kiked up beyond repair.

In said system, in said perfect world, they would be driven out, by force if necessary. The price of liberty is constant vigilance, and the tree of liberty must oft be watered with the blood of patriots and of tyrants.

The problem with building a libertarian country, a libertarian world, is that people are just fucking lazy. They want to be led, they want to be sheltered, they want bread and circus more than they want freedom. It's just human nature.


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