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 No.88181

>>2584029

"Why does socialism dissolve into state-capitalism?"

This is going to be a long post and I'm responding here to avoid getting into an argument with Stalinists.

In the first place I'll say that this is a trick question. None of the 20th century states at any point had socialism. Socialism is a qualitative break from capitalism in which the basic relationships and functioning of society are transformed completely. Yes, I know that many people claim that the USSR was socialist or that China is socialist or whatever. They aren't. They were state-capitalist from the beginning. In the beginning the leadeing Bolsheviks knew that socialism couldn't be attained in the former Russian Empire. It didn't meet the necessary criteria. When Stalin assumed leadership of the USSR he swept these arguments under the rug and anyone who disagreed either disappeared or was killed.

Marx & Engels imagined socialism as being possible only due to the conditions that had developed in Western Europe and Germany - industrial economics, democratic politics, and a high level of cultural development and literacy. And the socialist parties were extremely large in Western Europe. By the end of Engels' life he was writing about how German democratic politics was allowing the socialist movement to grow, legally, far larger than any other political faction.

The irony of world history turns everything upside down. We, the "revolutionaries," the "rebels"—we are thriving far better on legal methods than on illegal methods and revolt. The parties of order, as they call themselves, are perishing under the legal conditions created by themselves. They cry despairingly with Odilon Barrot: la légalité notes tue, legality is the death of us; whereas we, under this legality, get firm muscles and rosy cheeks and look like eternal life.

But it was clear to Engels by the 1890s that a socialist revolution would require the participation of large masses of the population and not simply a small conspiratorial group:

The time of surprise attacks, of revolutions carried through by small conscious minorities at the head of unconscious masses, is past. Where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organization, the masses themselves must also be in it, must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are going in for [with body and soul]. The history of the last fifty years has taught us that. But in order that the masses may understand what is to be done, long, persistent work is required, and it is just this work which we are now pursuing, and with a success which drives the enemy to despair.

And yet, the first revolution led by Communists to succeed and maintain itself happened in the Russian Empire - a state still largely undeveloped by industrial capitalism, lacking traditions of legal democratic politics, and having a population that was majority illiterate. This was not what anyone anticipated. No one believed that socialism could be built in such backward conditions. Lenin commented in 1918,

History has now placed us in an extraordinarily difficult position; in the midst of organisational work of unparalleled difficulty we shall have to experience a number of painful defeats. Regarded from the world-historical point of view, there would doubtlessly be no hope of the ultimate victory of our revolution if it were to remain alone, if there were no revolutionary movements in other countries.

I repeat, our salvation from all these difficulties is an all Europe revolution.

At all events, under all conceivable circumstances, if the German revolution does not come, we are doomed.

 No.88182

The European revolution was defeated. So the USSR was now alone. The only way forward was to utilize experts, technicians, and bureaucrats to organize society from above. The great masses of people had no choice but to be led forward as industry was built, the political sphere was organized, and culture & literacy advanced.

What was Lenin's proposal? State-capitalism.

It has not occurred to them that state capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in our country.

When the working class has learned how to defend the state system against the anarchy of small ownership, when it has learned to organise large-scale production on a national scale, along state capitalist lines, it will hold, if I may use the expression, all the trump cards, and the consolidation of socialism will be assured.

By state-capitalism Lenin meant that the Soviet government would have control over large state-run enterprises and monopolies while allowing some form of market to operate around them. So in the first place socialism never devolved into state-capitalism because none of these countries had socialism to begin with. They were all state-capitalist from the beginning using the state as a mechanism to direct the economy as a whole.

There are many "socialists" these days who would disagree with me, but they're wrong. The leaders of the USSR knew in the beginning that the former Russian Empire was not capable of achieving socialism since it lacked the minimum level of both economic and cultural development for socialism. A majority of the population were illiterate peasants. To achieve socialism would mean first passing through a long period of economic & cultural development. And who would lead this transitional period? The bureaucrats and party elites.


 No.88184

At this point it needs to be noted that state-capitalism means two things. The first, as advocated by Lenin, meant basically a capitalist system in which the 'commanding heights' of the economy are dominated by state-led enterprises. Lenin argued that this was a necessary stepping stone to a socialist system.

But there's another meaning for the term as well. This meaning of state-capitalism argues that the USSR, after collectivization and implementation of central planning, was fundamentally a capitalist system at the national level and the managers, bureaucrats, and elites acted as a "collective capitalist" attempting to direct investment in the economy and obtain social & material privileges when possible.

Many Marxists deny the second meaning has any substance. I disagree. I think that any attempt to build socialism or a collectivist society in conditions of extreme economic and cultural backwardness will inevitably result in societies dominated by bureaucratic elites. The rise of the bureaucracy was something that troubled all the early Soviet leaders. You can find constant complaints about it from all of them. At the 12th congress in 1923 Bukharin stated:

So far, one of the evils which we have not yet overcome in our Slate apparatus is the bureaucracy, a feature particularly emphasised by Lenin in some of his last articles. There can be no idea of breaking up this vast machine which had arisen on the basis of great cultural backwardness. It must be systematically repaired and simplified, whilst the civil service must be, from a political point of view, improved.


 No.88220

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>>88181

>>88182

>>88184

You lost, kiddo?




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