No.86810
No.86811
Singapore is the followup to Chile in proving that free markets are a necessary but not sufficient requisite for liberty.
No.86849
>>86811
>singapore
>free market
lolbergs in a nutshell
No.86880
>>86849
I defy you to prove that Singapore is anything other than one of the freest economies on the planet by an effort to quantify the concept.
No.86890
>>86880
>90% of housing is literally government run socialism
>free market
No.86901
>>86890
not to mention the mandated diversity. it's not the kind of forced (((diversity))) you get in the west, but it still forces the various ethnic/religious groups is certain proportions to prevent majorities.
No.86935
>>86901
>>86934
Eastern socialism is not the same as western socialism. They don't give a shit about what we would call welfare and gibs. That government housing is not subsidized housing. Its nice shit that you have to get loans for. They have no minimum wage, almost no free anything. There is government mandated savings for health care and retirement. That and they are very very industrious. Chinese communism and Singapore socialism look nothing policy wise like western commie policies.
Here its all free education, unemployment benefits, free healthcare, muh homeless people, muh minorities, etc. You pay for shit there.
No.86936
>>86935
That being said it is still fairly anti market at the sovereign level for both China, and Singapore. Treating the government like a corporation is really the logical extension of capitalism. If this counts as socialism I endorse it as a capitalist.
No.86948
>>86935
>>86936
So China is unironically a good idea?
No.86951
No.86957
>>86935
Don't forget that it's a tiny, (mostly) homogeneous nation.
No.86984
>>86957
>(mostly) homogeneous nation.
You mean with the 4 or 5 official languages and large Indian, Chinese, Malay, populations?
>Don't forget that it's a tiny,
Right I guess small countries are automatically well run
No.86994
>>86934
>>86890
Singapore practices a sort of government ownership the likes of which the Qatar royalty, early 2000s Hong Kong, and Liechtenstein royalty practice. That is, you're generally free to engage in the market however you want outside of a handful of specific areas. There is no such thing as a government that doesn't own anything/have some restrictions. Going back to anon's statement: >>86811
>Singapore is the followup to Chile in proving that free markets are a necessary but not sufficient requisite for liberty.
Yes it's government owned and no one is denying that, what he was saying was that if you can, economically, live pretty freely in that country and you will do well there if you're good at what you do. On the "world capitalism" dial if you will, it has a very high economic freedom index and leans much farther towards the "100% capitalism" side of the dial, than say Venezuela as a counter-example. To claim otherwise is disingenuous at best and one should provide examples of other countries that are "more capitalist" with examples of how they are more capitalist if they want to make this argument that Singapore isn't a good example of what anon was discussing.
Negative proofs only work when working from a positive base or a base of zero. When most of the world is a -80 on the "capitalist dial" with most European countries & the USA being -40, places like Mexico being -50 as a counterexample, being a -15 on the same dial is objectively more of a free market.
No.86995
>>86948
China is China. At the national and city levels they fuck up big time, but at the local levels other than the corruption they're not doing very much that could be considered horrible compared to other governments (other than being filthy fucking chinks). Whether they were government-run or market-run, you would still have that smog because you have 1.4 billion people, most of which still live in third world conditions, trying to get to a stage where they can live comfortably. In the winter time everyone in China needs electricity, and they don't have enough nuclear power yet so they have to rely on coal. They're between two mountain ranges so it only adds to the pollution. We have a similar problem in America, it's just never really talked about. The Salt Lake Valley is cornered on three sides by mountains, which cause all the smog from the food manufacturing plants to collect inside the valley (since the only airflow into the valley is from the direction without mountains, and that direction just blows air into the valley).
No.86996
>>86984
>Singapore is the followup to Chile in proving that free markets are a necessary but not sufficient requisite for liberty.
Small countries tend to be well-run compared to large countries because all the issues are local issues. The same thing is true of corporations. Things just work better/more efficiently on a smaller scale. Period.
No.87000
>>86995
>China is China. At the national and city levels they fuck up big time, but at the local levels other than the corruption they're not doing very much that could be considered horrible compared to other governments (other than being filthy fucking chinks).
The stuff that happens at the national levels is pretty fucking bad.
No.87001
Actually authoritarianism is libertarianism, slavery is freedom and genocide is self-defence.
No.87003
>>86996
>Small countries tend to be well-run
Well lets see, USA, China, Austrialia, Canada, etc are all big and well run. And then there is most of africa, most of the middle east, most south america full of small countries that are all shit. Your model clearly does not apply to our world.
>>87001
>Actually authoritarianism is libertarianism
What do you think property is? Authority over your domain.
No.87004
>There is no such thing as a government that doesn't own anything/have some restrictions
You make it sound like owning a third of the economy and owning 90% of housing is a small thing.
No.87006
>>87000
Ah, I see you also browse /k/. Patrician tastes.
>>87003
Small being a subjective word aside you autistic piece of shit, the USA, China, Australia, Canada, etc. are not well-run. Your blanket statement is shit. It's like saying "all these lemons grown without pesticides are grade two lemons, so obviously the grade one lemons grown with pesticides on the factory farm are all superior in taste and quality to these grade two lemons that were dumped on grounds of size/shape." I was talking about how a politician in charge of eight million people halfway across the fucking country is going to have far less efficiency making a decision than the mayor of a town of 500 people because the politician has to balance the requests of those eight million people over a large area while he doesn't even fucking live near 95% of those people. You're insisting on comparing shit holes, so let's compare shit holes.
Oh look, small countries like Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait have higher human development indexes than other countries in the same region like Yemen and Iraq! Oh look, countries like Ghana and Gabon which are mostly centered on a few coastal cities have a higher human development index than their comparable colossal giants nearby like Mali and the DRC. Oh look, countries like Chile and Argentina which are 99% empty fucking desert with most of their population being focused on a couple small areas within said fucking desert have better development than Peru or Brazil! Even in the small countries with low human development indexes in Niggersville- the continent, I can almost guarantee you that the vast majority of them that aren't experiencing some brand of civil war or socialism are doing better off because they can get shit done when your constituents are that fucking close by, or that if they aren't doing well, their government is probably as far fucking away as possible from the population at large or is basically a dictatorship of one form or another. Don't try to act smug by misrepresenting what I said you imbred fucking swine.
No.87007
>>87004
The federal government owns 97% of the land in Nevada.
No.87008
>singapore
>single world government
jew
No.87009
>>87006
>>87003
In addition, the US is not well-run. You'll find that it's basically the Roman Empire right now, with a few vassal states that should be the center of economic commerce paying vassalage and taxes to a political ruling body halfway across the fucking country while producing the majority of its actual internal wealth.
No.87010
No.87012
>>87007
Unused land in the desert is not at all the same as peoples houses. In a city.
>>87009
>In addition, the US is not well-run.
People in the west watch the news and think they have perspective on the world. The USA and most of the west is far far better run than almost the entire world.
No.87013
>>87006
>Small being a subjective word aside you autistic piece of shit, the USA, China, Australia, Canada, etc. are not well-run.
Better than almost the entire rest of the world.
>Oh look, small countries like Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait have higher human development indexes than other countries in the same region
Still shit by western standards.
>Oh look, countries like Ghana and Gabon which are mostly centered on a few coastal cities have a higher human development index
Still shit by western standards
You know what are giant countries? USA, China, Canada, Australia, etc. All very well run compared to most of the world. The fact that you think one country in africa is nicer than another is bullshit you are just ignoring the majority of the planet.
No.87029
>>87013
>USA, China, Canada, Australia
one of these things is not like the others
No.87031
>>86984
75% chink is a pretty sizable majority.
No.87032
>>87031
You know the USA is only 12% black right?
No.87035
>>87012
>He doesn't know what semi-arid deserts are
>He probably has never been to a farm
Man I wish I hadn't backed up/deleted my smug anime girls from my phone right about now.
No.87036
>>87013
Jesus Christ you're thick-headed, aren't you? I have doubts you even understand the concept behind prices being relative when you can't even relatively compare countries to their surrounding circumstances/regions.
No.87039
>>86901
Singapore also demands that all of its various racial groups submit to an overarching common identity and doesn't make excuses for or tolerate nigger behavior because "muh culture" or "muh heritage." That tends to make a big difference.
No.87041
>>87035
>Man I wish I hadn't backed up/deleted my smug anime girls from my phone right about now.
Get Onedrive or something similar and transfer all your reaction image folders to there. I can smugpost from wherever, whenever now.
No.87043
>>87035
>Owning 90% of heavily urban housing is the same as owning unused desert
>>87036
>being relative when you can't even relatively compare countries to their surrounding circumstances/regions.
Anon PPP is a thing that can be applied globally. One thing being cheaper in one African country compared to another is a fucking retarded point.
>>87039
There stance on diversity is much better. The only problem is "little India" where everyone is Indian.
>>87041
>Get Onedrive
Botnet shill
No.87044
>Op mentions Singapore
>Thumbnail shows a dog
…I-is the dog okay? Did it get skinned and eaten?
No.87047
>>87043
>being retarded
>implying real men don't hate anime and traps
>implying upper left doesn't hate whites and gives a fuck about bussiness
>implying libertarians didin't loved Black Phanter
>not skipping lines at all for fear of being called for reddito formatting
No.87051
>>87047
<implying libertarians didin't loved Black Phanter
>implying they did
No.87052
>>87043
>Botnet shill
Then get your preferred kosher variant of filesharing app if you don't like microsoft.
No.87054
>>87052
>not offline backups
No.87055
>>87054
This is getting autistic. The original post was a suggestion to the Christfag as a way to have access to your smug folders even when phoneposting. Offline backups can't do this without setting up some kind of P2P bullshit with your phone so I didn't mention them.
No.87768
>>86936
you support colonialism?
No.87771
>>87768
Things got built under colonialism :^).
No.87772
>>87771
yes i know
just asking
No.87946
i will quite soon be in singapore :^)
No.87948
>>87056
>God and Time
>Abstract
No.87950
>>87947
>decomposingintheearththinkinghe'sinheavenfag
No.87968
>>87948
The other day I tripped over god on my way to eat a big bowl of time.
No.88274
>>87948
how is god not abstract?
No.88286
No.88457
>>87012
especially sweden, germany and france XDD
No.88460
>>88274
>>87949
>>87968
Neither God nor Time are causally inert. If God exists it's a person, and one that people believe they can talk to, perform miracles, etc. If time exists it's a dimension, and causes a fuckload of things. The meme is shit because it uses the word 'abstract' without understanding that it's an actual philosophical term that applies to neither of those things.
If you want "abstract" objects try "the set of all prime numbers greater than 13", "Charles Dickens' David Copperfield", etc. These things (if they can be said to exist at all) are totally causally inert.
No.88461
>>88460
> If God exists it's a person
No.88462
>>86934
>The Singaporean state is one big corporation
If that's not capitalist, what is?
No.88465
>>88461
But it's true. Marx is a person, and he's the god of poverty.
No.88490
>>88460
Dimensions are abstractions. I think it's you who fails to understand the term.
No.88552
>>88462
>Ownership through production and contribution is the exact same thing as having the bigger gun
No.88562
>>88460
>If you want "abstract" objects try "the set of all prime numbers greater than 13", "Charles Dickens' David Copperfield", etc. These things (if they can be said to exist at all) are totally causally inert.
>use primes in cryptographic systems
>fictional characters and stories have real world influence on people and other art
>these things are "causally inert"
nope
No.88567
>>88552
Don't forget the mandatory military conscription they have.
No.88609
>>86935
>Eastern socialism is not the same as western socialism.
They are not socialist. They are closet democrats, leaning towards more to green party.
No.88799
>>87032
just sounds like a case that negroes are a special case
No.88801
>>87052
try opencloud
also google websearch FOSS and enjoy
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