/liberty/ - Liberty

I don't know how to do the soccer game thing

>>86258

Literally responsible for the south being such a shithole today

>>86258

Why are you hicks such niggerlovers? First we war you trying to break you of your nigger addiction so you would adopt technology and then when we win you kill the guy who wanted to send them back just so you and your descendants can live surrounded by them forever.

>>86282

I'll give it a try, no promises.

>>86283

No worries if it's too complex, just thought it'd be a nice thing to add on.

>>86286

Let's go with the edgemeister variant.

>>86294

1 - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

2 - John Wilkes Booth

3 - Lugwig Von Mises

4 - Robert Heinlein

5 - Augusto Pinochet

6 - Lysander Spooner

7 - Andrew Jackson

8 - Ayn Rand

9 - Robert E. Lee

10 - Thomas Jefferson

Halfway there

>>86286

>>86293

We should make it even edgier tbh. At times like this we should stand out.

Past halfway and no Ron Paul?

>>86308

>no Ron Paul in the team

do you even /liberty/

>>86308

>any rand is there

>no Tucker

>>86335

No legs. She could be the mascot or something.

>>86309

If we want more edge we could add Max Stirner.

>>86337

I second Murray Rothbard.

>>86337

Booth slew a tyrant, Lee held off the advances of his armies for 4 long years.

1 - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

2 - John Wilkes Booth

3 - Lugwig Von Mises

4 - Robert Heinlein

5 - Augusto Pinochet

6 - Lysander Spooner

7 - Andrew Jackson

8 - Ayn Rand

9 - Robert E. Lee

10 - Thomas Jefferson

11 - Janusz Korwin-Mikke

12 - Ron Paul

13 - Tucker

14 - Frédéric Bastiat

15 - Eugen Böhm von Bawerk

16 - Friedrich August von Hayek

17 - Murray Rothbard

18 - Thomas Sowell

19 - Walter E. Williams

20 - Walter Block

This is in order of names posted and is not intended as a final list. If you would like names removed and replaced with others I have no objection as long as there is a little consensus on the decision. I believe that would be fair.

>>86354

I want to do it but I'm really sleepy right now so I might take a shot at it tomorrow morning.

>>86363

Yes, we should. He makes good points once in a blue moon but that fucking lisp…

If we're doing Mises Institute members than Paul Gottfried isn't a bad replacement, if only because he's a Jew who outright stated that yes, the Frankfurt school had explicitly Jewish undertones and that cultural Marxism in general has ties to Judaism (see webbum related). For a less serious nominee….maybe Quark?

>>86366

If you want to take a non-human angle, Recreational™ McNukes™ would be a fine choice.

Pyotr Kropotkin

Pierre Proudhon

Max Stirner

Samuel Konkin

This is /liberty/, not /ancap/. Also, edgy memelord votes for Ross Ulbricht and Satoshi Nakamoto.

>>86378

this tbh

I nominate Tom Woods to sell the tickets to for the match.

>>86378

At the very least snag Stirner and Konkin. Striker Stirner with a Ghost Busters alt-horn would be super fun.

http://poal.me/bglqvy

>>86396

Molyneux is there twice.

>>86398

Anyone can add answers, to account for near-future suggestions that haven't been thrown in yet.

I also see CS Lewis, who hasn't been posted to thread yet.

I have a couple different suggestions for the motto of our team:

Sic semper tyrannis

Molon Labe/Come and take it

Deo Vindice

Nemo me impune lacessit/Dont tread on me

>>86396

>>86397

There's a fantastic emblem and we've got a roster of sorts together. If we're going with >>86345 then someone should make a thread now.

If we're using the poll, it'll need to be finalized. As a bonus, the poll will make picking medal players and goalkeepers easy, Ron Paul as goalkeeper seems like a natural choice, for instance.

Here's a timer to midnight GMT, which would give most everyone time to check in and vote.

https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/628034/team-finalization

>>86397

That emblem is the shit.

>>86404

I don't think we're going with >>86345 as it stands, but the poll. So whoever the top 20 are come midnight GMT, I guess that would be our list.

>>86397

Beautiful.

>>86397

It's great except for the nazi symbol.>>86397

>>86394

Best role for him. In any case, just don't put him as a goalie or we'll lose for sure.

About 2 hours until the deadline, last chance to re-evaluate or gerrymander your picks.

Mr. McNuke and Diogenes were added to the poll at some point during the last 6 hours and if either of those candidates interest you, toss them some votes.

>>>/8cup/275

The other teams have an anthem and a goal horn. What should ours be?

>>86467

>goalhorn

I need a Pinochet

>anthem

Liberty tree, Dixie's Land… Open to ideas.

>>86467

I don't know how grassdive works. Do we have one goal horn for the entire team, or can we have a few special clips for certain members?

>>86467

Nominating the Southron's battle cry of freedom for an anthem.

>>86467

we need a song so powerful that gets removed from youtube costantly

>>86442

he's really short, so you don't want him as goalkeeper

>>86467

Anthem: http://poal.me/esbf1y

Goal Horn: http://poal.me/bckfaz

>>86487

Fug, wrong flag

>>86492

>Need A Pinochet for Pinochet, lods e mone for Mises?

For Pinochet, the national anthem will suffice.

>>86494

>Cuba

>>86472

"I need a Pinochet" would be great, but only if someone could edit it so that it starts from the chorus instead of from the beginning.

>>86498

Cropping isn't too difficult to do on videos, if you use VLC you don't even need an editor. I'll be roughing it this weekend so no access to an editor, but if you'd like to try yourself you could probably manage it without too much difficulty.

Maybe vid related for goalhorn and Pinochet for anthem?

>>86502

Fuck. I tried adding it to the poll but I fucked up.

>leave for a couple days

>thread takes charge of itself and everything is going as it should

Emblem looks great, team looks great.

I find this rendition of Dixie to be particularly beautiful, if it is decided to use Dixie as the team anthem. I don't really see a need for my input past this point so I'll leave the rest up to you.

GO /liberty/!!

>>86508

Spontaneous order, nigga.

kek

>>86508

That's a good one, haven't heard it before.

>>86526

You know, it would be hilarious if the whole shirt was filled with various different sponsors and company logos.

>>86541

DEWIT

>>86541

See >>86399

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G98TDivbyLo

We should borrow a clip from this song for Jackson's goal horn.

>>86541

And we could cover everything on the gadsden snek but the face in these logos?

I updated the /8cup/ thread.

>>86745

Nice. Let's keep discussion here and post final results over there.

>>86541

I'll try this out, but need logo suggestions. McDonald's is the obvious one, any others?

>>86755

Wal-Mart

Bud light

Some cigarette company (the more of a huge corporate blob the better)

Fig Newtons

Gatorade

Nike

Mountain Dew

Doritos

>>86492

Don't suppose you have the second pic without the emblem on it? Deleting the emblem and re-coloring the stripes where it once was is going to be a pain in the ass.

>>86261

>starship troopers

>not the moon is a harsh mistress

You absolute pleb. I second the choice

Guys, guys, guys. I found our goalhorn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK2qBbDn5W0

>>86772

We need something obnoxious for our theme like this.

needs gun manufacturers' logos, if you already decided to chose crony corps anyway

>>86773

Morrakiu has better songs tbh. I'm still a fan of the Dixie's Land rendition posted here >>86508 however.

>>86775

I did get Lockheeb in there, but sure, I can throw a few fun makers in there.

>>>/v/15005035

>>86508

It's a beautiful rendition, but I prefer stuff like https://youtu.be/TcAp9ryNlRw that captures the melancholy and pain of reconstruction, or a more traditional version such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlnvYzH_qC0 that shows how it would have sounded at the time.

>>86784

Saved that first link. Though I find neither of those to be nearly as celebratory as the previously mentioned rendition.

>>86784

As much as I loathe democracy, these polls are proving useful. Do we want the orchestral Dixie's Land or the traditional? Polling ends in 24 hours.

http://poal.me/o6qwe9

>>86786

What about this song instead?

>>86789

Just noticed the image got ever so slightly cut-off on the left side. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

>>86787

I love Tennessee Ernie Ford but on that same album he sings the anthem of the Union. Half of that album of dedicated to Union songs

>>86475

>>86508

>>86784

>>86786

Fuck that

>>86467

This should be anthem

>>86792

Good

>>86796

>>86797

Fuck off Yankee. There's nothing at all /liberty/ about the north.

>>86798

What's so /liberty/ about slavery?

>>86799

>implying the republican party cared about the basic human rights of the slaves

>>86800

Whereas the plantation owners cared so deeply for their right to liberty

>>86803

The north was no better on slavery and terrible on almost all other issues. The question of which side was better is obvious.

>>86798

LOL, I've read the Cuckfederate Constitution and one can observe the words versus the deeds of the CSA as the war progressed to see how much a fuck it really gave about muh states' rights.

>>86800

Not implying. Directly and normatively stating it as a fact. Not seeing blacks as immediately equal to whites is not the same as recognizing that they shouldn't be enslaved, even if that also meant believing they might be better off deported to Africa.

>>86807

Yes, but Lost Cause spergs are too retarded to know the correct answer to said question. End of.

Didn't the union fight to keep the Confederacy from seceding?

<The Civil War was just charity work to help the poor niggers

>>86813

Yes. And they were seceding because of slavery.

>>86807

>The north was no better on slavery

There's a reason why Lincoln won every northern state

>The question of which side was better is obvious

Yes, the one that wasn't betraying their country

>>86815

<Two outliers, one from a secessionist state's propaganda mill

>Mountains of proof to the contrary going back for the entire 19th century.

Hmmm, decisions decisions.

>>86815

>Slavery had nothing to do with why the North chose war.

I tire of this childish denialism. For decades leading up to the Civil War there was a struggle to avoid it by maintaining parity between Free and Slave states admitted to the union. It didn't have to articulated in a declaration of war. Anybody historically literate knows that the Civil War would not have happened without slavery. Tariffs, free trade, and state sovereignty were not sufficient. All of the drama and hand-wringing centered around whether or not each regional bloc would be out-voted based on whether or not slavery was allowed in a new state.

And while the Republicans at first didn't go for the throat with abolition, that was mostly because of the question of political viability and Constitutionality rather than desire. Limiting the spread of slavery, on the other hand, was doable, far less controversial (even in the younger Southern states), and openly promoted.

>big daddy government unionist cucks

LOL, the Confederate government was no less expansionist and usurping of its member states' autonomy, and it started to become statist in record time compared to the USA post-Constitutional ratification. The CSA was primarily concerned with the right of its agrarian aristocrat caste to keep its slaves, and non-slave owners were happy to go along with it because of fear propaganda of what unfettered niggers would do, even as they were terrorized and despoiled by their own boys in grey by a far more frequent margin than the much maligned Union pirates under Sherman or Grant.

Also I'll remind you that a political cuckold is somebody who betrays their fellows' interests for the benefits of outsiders, and that's exactly what the CSA would have offered Old World imperial powers by dividing the country.

>>86818

>anything I don't like is propaganda

I can go and pull up quotes from british newspapers if you want. As an outside observer looking in, they'd surely be a bit less biased.

>I tire of this childish denialism

Nice projection.

>The CSA was primarily concerned with the right of its agrarian aristocrat caste to keep its slaves

The USA was primarily concerned with the right of its industrialist aristocrat caste to profit off of the state.

>that's exactly what the CSA would have offered Old World imperial powers by dividing the country

They went out of their way to try and separate peacefully, on good terms.

>>86821

No, propaganda is propaganda. Pretty damn simple.

I don't care what fruitcake hyper minority op-ed you can cite. It's not up for debate among historians of credibility and merit that the North treated free blacks as poorly as the antebellum and Civil War era South. It's Holocaust denial tier and isn't taken seriously for good reason.

>Nice projection

I'm not denying objective, demonstrably provable history with dubious sources. You are. End of.

>The USA was primarily concerned with the right of its industrialist aristocrat caste to profit off the state.

Proof that the South was primarily concerned with slave ownership: Mountains of evidence from the historical record

Proof that the North was driven by industry profits: Discredited secessionist apologetics

<HUE HUE HUE HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY DUH WINNERS HUE HUE HUE MY FANFICTION IS MOAR ACCURATE

>They went out of their way to try to separate peacefully, on good terms.

Incorrect. They shot first and were spoiling for a fight. A clean separation would have denied them the honorable battle their European-nobility emulating elites desired.

>

>>86825

>I don't care what fruitcake hyper minority op-ed you can cite

There you go again, throwing out anything that doesn't go with your version of history.

>I'm not denying objective, demonstrably provable history with dubious sources

Yes you are.

>the official republican party platform, lincoln's speeches, and actions taken during the war are dubious secessionist apologetics

>were spoiling for a fight

Then why was one of Davis' first acts as president to offer to buy every piece of federal property in the south and pay off the southern portion of the national debt? Why did they spend months waiting before firing on Fort Sumter?

>>86814

>Yes, the one that wasn't betraying their country

Does your LARPing ass also malign the British subjects living in the American colonies for "betraying their country" and rebelling against England?

>>86825

>>86827

I don't know how closely you follow the Mises Institute, but their Youtube channel has been doing a pretty in-depth overview of the Civil War and the events leading up to it that may be prudent to the discussion.

>>86828

>apples and oranges

Typical snek autism.

>>86815

>*In part because of slavery

Every other issue was inseparable from slavery. All that international southern trade was based around slave-plantations.

>2nd pic

That paper does not speak for the south, and it does not speak for the north. The people that did these things spoke for themselves, to be respectful to history we must defer to their justifications and causes. The declarations of secession are perfectly clear

Georgia

<For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

<Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them.

Mississippi

<Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.

South Carolina

<The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution.

Texas

<She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery– the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits– a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them? The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean

And as Georgia and Texas say, the real reason for the secession was Lincoln's promise to stop the westward expansion of slavery. Lincoln wasn't going after their slaves, because he feared it would mean civil war. Little did they know merely challenging the supremacy of the slaveholding aristocracy was enough.

>never mind the fact that slavery had nothing at all to do with why the north chose war

Slavery wasn't the reason they fought, but it was the cause of war.

>>86831

>don't compare the confederacy with revolutionary america because it hurts my feelings

Typical Yankee autism.

>>86838

>Every other issue was inseparable from slavery

Wrong.

>declarations of secession

Why don't we look at the four entire states that only seceded after Lincoln raised an army to invade the south? Surely their motivations matter too?

>>86841

>Wrong.

Not an argument.

>Why don't we look at the four entire states that only seceded after Lincoln raised an army to invade the south?

They did not make such declarations. The cause, however, was clear, they rejected the efforts of the federal government to do its duty and suppress a violent rebellion against the United States.

>>86848

It only became violent after attempts at a peaceful resolution were completely ignored. The south had every right to leave the union if they so desired.

>>86856

I enjoy bullying the resident autistic LARPer as much as the next guy, but let's try to get back on topic.

8CUP

This guy >>>/8cup/475 has drafted up suggested positions (and did a sneeki breeki and put Stirner in there, are we fine with that as well?), are we fine with what's suggested? As of right now >>86789 is the current jersey, does anyone have additions they want to make?

>>86857

SONGS AND GOALHORNS

The polls show that we've pretty much agreed to make Dixie's Land as performed by Richard Bales is our anthem, and that "I need a Pinochet!" is our default goalhorn. It's been suggested that the Chilean anthem be used as an "alternate" goalhorn for Pinochet specifically, do we want to do that? Are there any other "alternate" goalhorns we want for when some other player scores his first goal?

>>86857

yeah, I suppose thing did get a bit out of hand.

>>86848

I'll gladly take this to another thread if you want to get proven wrong some more.

>>86857

>autistic LARPer

No u

>>86475

This could be Robert E. Lee's goalhorn, no?

>>86858

Jackson and Kentucky for Andrew Jackson.

>>86862

That works.

>>86869

>Jackson and Kentucky

You mean this?

>>86870

Yeah.

These old Dixie songs are boring as fuck, we need to go all out. I seriously recommend you guys to change the vote to something else.

>>86873

That's why I suggested to arms in dixie. It's got that confederate cool factor, and it's a bit better as a fight song to get people rallied up.

>>86879

>confederate

But we're not all Americans here, much less southerners. Also, they feel out of place considering how everything else about the team is lighthearted and not serious.

>>86881

I'm a Yank and I can still revere the Confederate ideal just fine. Planning on moving but I'm aware that wouldn't be enough to make me a Southerner.

>>86841

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

>it hurts my feelings

More like a revolution to increase the general individual liberty of the people and one to preserve bondage as a legal right aren't comparable, but you've already proven immune to cognitive dissonance and have an infinite threshold for intellectual dishonesty. You'll use every rhetorical fallacy and lie you can to defend the indefensible. Edgy stuff.

The other Rev flag has provided incontrovertible, insurmountable proof that slavery was the critical cause of the civil war and everything else a distant third rank excuse. Rather like how fedoras say that Socrates was executed for criticizing certain religious rites and ignoring the accusation that he was corrupting the youth.

>>86856

The South did not want a peaceful resolution. They did not believe it was possible. They thought war was a foregone conclusion and tried to manipulate Lincoln into firing the first shot. When he offered them the chance to stand down in peace or use the excuse of insinuated provocation to take the first shot themselves, they were only too enthusiastic.

>The South had every right to leave the union if they so desired

The process for leaving the union was already spelled out same as for states and territories entering the union. The South decided it didn't want to recognize that process. This is a frequent myth made up whole cloth out of thin air from Lost Cause charlatans that has been roundly debunked.

>>86857

It isn't LARPing just because you lack the ability to counter it with facts. You're wrong and can't handle it is all.

>>86882

Honestly I'll never understand why so many so-called libertarians have such a hard-on and perpetrate such embarrassing mental gymnastics to defend a slave state that went to war to protect its ability to hold slaves. It's mind-boggling in its hypocrisy and self-contradiction. The only comparable thing I can think of is how internet atheists back in the 2000s during that first big wave of anti-theist activism would savage any form of religion or faith except for becoming sputtering apologists for Buddhism.

>>86859

You haven't proven anybody wrong. You are humiliating yourself in front of the people you're trying to "own."

The next get is

>>86885

Take it to another thread, boyo.

>>86885

Will you ever shut the fuck up?

>>86857

We should consider editing the jersey so the back is unobstructed for player names and numbers.

>>86938

Hmm, you're right. Would you mind taking care of that? You could probably make the emblem small and right-breast-pocket only, then move the ads to the front.

>>86894

<Hehehehehhrreregheuh, I almost made an argument, but then I realized I could attack the source instead hurhurhaururrhurhue

What else needs to be done before we're ready to go?

>>87316

>what needs to be done

>>87316

>>>/8cup/573

https://pastebin.com/GHQy8YKj

We've got a motto, an emblem, a jersey, team members, an anthem, and goalhorns out the ass. I think we're good except for having an official team rep.

>>87339

Does one of us need to own the game?

>>87368

Nothing like that is mentioned, so I sure hope not.

>>87336

based korwin

>>>/8cup/629

Please look over the summary in the linked post and let me know if you think changes should be made. Deadline is July 15th, so this shit needs to be decided soonish.

>>87400

Anthem needs to be changed. We're not all Americans.

>>87443

The polls we've done show most people are fine with it, and all the runners-up were some American song as well. For better or for worse, burgers have a majority on 8chan.

>>87491

>muh democracy

top lel, my dude.

>>87500

By typing shitposts here we have mixed our labor with the thread and claimed parts of it as our property. Acting as shareholders we have arrived at a consensus as to how to utilize our property.

Reminder that this shit should be finalized by tomorrow.

Oh, fuck me, it's actually today.

This starts in 8 1/2 hours at 7 PM EST , 11 PM GMT

You will be able to watch here

https://cytu.be/r/8chanmania

>>88486

Nice. Shame this is happening at the same time as Mises U, though.

/liberty/ is going on now

Hoppe is doing God's work!

>>88501

>>88502

How'd it go?

>>88519

It was a 2 - 2 tie.

We're on again tonight. Event starts in 30 minutes

>>88554

>>>/v/15182837

A bit late looking over the videos. Looks like Thomas Jefferson is our big goal-scorer.

5 minutes until the next match, goys.

/liberty/, your second match of the 8cup group stages kicks off tomorrow. Matches begin at 7PM EST, you guys will be in the 3rd or 4th match of the night. Feel free to join us.

https://cytu.be/r/8chanmania

>>88840

Matches starting now, /liberty/ is the fourth and is against /ck/, our group's biggest leader. A win would give us a damn good shot to get to the next stage, so it should be exciting. Tune in!

>>88886

We're still alive? owo

>>88887

Freedom never dies.

Good win over /ck/. Teams looking good.

I made a thread and a post to demand the 8cup streamer to give all boards time to check over the formations in the first and second half of every game and to give us a method to directly contact streamer so we can have coaches make exact precise changes to formation throughout the game - please demand the streamer let us see the formations from now on at the first and second half so no more games end up with bad formations from start to finish:

>>>/8cup/2132

>>>/v/15224573

2 to avoid flood detection

>No man can serve two masters

>Give to Caesar what is Caesar's

Thanks, /christian/, these in conjunction are actually a fantastic argument for pursuing a stateless/decentralized government perspective despite obeying civil law.

Mourn /ck/ and maybe /monster/ but always remember

FREEDOM AIN'T FREE

and quest on to the Tournament Stage.

>>88942

There's an article on mises about how "render unto Caeser what is Caeser's" is actually an example of subtle sedition that calls upon the Jews to choose a side.

>>88946

Clown piece and default chan pairing really turn me on tbqh.

>>88963

And it's wrong, seeing as in the context Jesus asks "Whose image and superscription is this".

>>88975

https://mises.org/wire/render-unto-caesar-most-misunderstood-new-testament-passage

>>88989

and now we're up on the plate. Get in here!

>>89140

FUCK

>>89141

Good game, /liberty/. Long live Dixie.

t. pastafag

>>89142

Best of wishes to you as well, friend. Here's to the next season.

>>89391

I nominate Gobbermunt as board-tan.

How come the last champion is not playing?

>>89391

use the lamia

>>86259

nice, glad he made the cut.