/liberty/ - Liberty

>That level of denial is a level that proves to me that discourse is not tenable with a socialist.

>he only realized now

>>85549

>2010

So your sources are almost a decade out of date?

>>85555

Quads. Those quads.

>>85555

"If you want to understand your present conditions, look at your past" - some Indian Prince, I don't think he was important or anything though

>>85499

You don't have to bother with them. If they're using force against you, you respond with the same, unless you've got a better solution, in this case not discourse. What would make you unlibertarian is starting aggression yourself. Chill out, stop taking the bait and focus on improving your life, instead of getting angry at someone who's selfdestructing and doing far more harm to themselves than you. There will always be people that believe in something and can be convinced otherwise and those that want to believe. Learn to filter life's bullshit.

>>85549

I bet you think russia is capitalist too

>>85574

north korea is capitalist

>>85575

That's true. Von Mises personally paid the republic ten billion dollars so they'd pretend to be communist, just to discredit left-anarchists.

>>85575

But what about all the commies on this board that talk about NK being real socialism?

>>85549

>70% of GDP by private sector

That's because the public sector collapsed you moron.

>(((mutualism)))

>socialists in charge of understanding economy

>>85574

Lenin did.

>>85549

Another cool smokescreen to disguise a planned economy.

Private is a meaningless descriptor when nearly every industry is price-controlled and production of consumer goods has to be inline with a pre-approved list of goods the government will allow, down to what color clothes can be produced. Private business only exists in Venezuela because of legal formalism, they're essentially just subordinate offices of the government. In addition, GDP doesn't capture real spending of the government. The government only affects GDP if it personally spends it and it's counted at the price of whatever is purchased, but if it merely distributes gifts to its citizens it doesn't affect GDP at all even though clearly this is clearly different from genuine private spending.

>>85549

>private property exists therefore its not socialist.

Maybe in commie lala land it isn't. But it still is a command economy, where the key means of production (oil, agriculture, toiletries) are being controlled by the democratically government either directly or though regulations so intense it may as well be ran by the government.

>>85575

>It has a capitalist black market, there for it is a capitalist system.

Black Markets do not count, they will exist everywhere in every system regardless I guess if you go full Ancap.

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