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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.85192

my friends told me they would rather like drugs to be legal and taxed because then they would have certainity that drugs are of ok quality as opposed to nowaday situation when you cannot get legit information about quality of drugs (unless you buy in TOR)

what should i have replied?

 No.85195

>>85192

Taxation does not guarantee quality. The higher a good is taxed, the greater the incentive to buy on the black market. Overly taxing drugs will just recreate the same problem that the state is attempting to solve.


 No.85203

>>85192

>unless you buy in TOR

>TOR

It's not capitalized, brah.

>my friends told me they would rather like drugs to be legal and taxed because then they would have certainity that drugs are of ok quality as opposed to nowaday situation when you cannot get legit information about quality of drugs

That is true, as far as drugs being legal goes. Right now, consumers pay more for a lower quality to make up for the risk that the drug dealer takes. If the risk was much lower, then drugs would be sold cheaper, and the consumers could afford higher quality for their money. Also, the fact that the drug market is completely underground, without any reliable reviews or arbitration processes, also makes drug use a more dangerous activity.

In all this, it's good if libertarians don't forget that drug use is not just degenerate, it's also the epitome of high time preference behavior. At least when we talk about opioids and the like, but weed is also shit. The people that use the same needle as ten other guys to inject some shit into their veins that a guy named "Pitbull" sold them are not going to suddenly start caring about themselves and reading all the customer reviews before they take it. Don't expect magic from drug legalization. Expect things to get better, just no magic.

The good, reasonable drug users eventually stop taking it. Or, they become high-functioning users, although I am not aware that there are many high-functioning opioid addicts.

The reason why I want drugs legalized is because I think that we have no right to aggress against consumers, or against dealers who sell to mature consumers. I think they commit a moral evil, but their punishment, so to speak, is that they ruin their bodies and tarnish their souls. In case they don't, they haven't done anything to deserve harm. Nature runs its course and ensures that the addict gets whatever he deserves.

Further on the sociological side, we have seen the effects of the drug war. Drug users have it harder to keep their shit together and find help. I helped a friend overcome a cocaine addiction. When she gave herself a fix after an hour of negotiating with me on the phone, and I saw how "happy" she was, I broke down crying. But eventually, she defeated her addiction, and could even resist cocaine when it was right in front of her. I know that a thousand mothers, fathers, spouses, siblings, and dear friends before me have done the same. Meanwhile, what do the people at the DEA and the local police departments do? Blackmail children into snitching on dangerous drug dealers, and lock suspected dealers away without trial until they almost die from thirst. Both things happened. I know playing holier-than-thou is seen as bad manners, but I'll just go ahead and say that I have every right to look down on these predators. Assholes. I made many mistakes in my life but getting a kid dismembered by drug dealers is not one of them.


 No.85204

>>85195

Also, this. Taxing drugs heavily creates a black market. Taxing them lightly may not, but it will still waste precious resources.

>>85192

Also, what's up with your video? Come on. When you're in doubt, post something nice, not gore. Think of the difference between a stranger seeing a cute kitten and seeing some man with his skull eaten off.


 No.85210

>>85195

>Taxation does not guarantee quality.

yes but generally speaking it is very likely that quality will be better when gov licenses come into existence than now in black market


 No.85237

I hope drugs get legalized because the sudden and immediate flood of overdoses will purge a lot of niggers overnight. also there's nothing morally wrong with what a man chooses to put in his body but I still want to see them foaming at the mouth


 No.85247

>>85210

Now you are mixing up taxation and licensing.

Whether you tax drugs or not has no effect on their quality, except insofar as you push the price up to the point where a black market becomes valid again. Then people will start dealing with drugs illegally to acquire them at lower costs. It won't be as bad as it is now, but also not as good as it could be.

Licensing might have a similar effect if the licenses are too hard to get. Then you could end up with a black market in drugs again, one that's truly underground.You are back to dealing with shady nigs and liberal arts students that lead a double lif. Again, it won't be as bad as it is now, but also not optimate.

You might increase the quality of the circulating drugs by requiring licenses for selling them, I'm not gonna deny it, but that would mean you are artificially increasing the safety beyond that the customers are willing to pay for. If they want safe drugs anyway, they'll search for stores with a good reputation and buy from there, and licenses are superfluous. If they don't want 99% safety when taking drugs, why patronize them? Why not be content with 95%? For all you know, the money they save by buying less clean drugs is money they might invest in an education, in a safer car, or healthier food. Hell, it might be money that they give to a poor beggar. It probably won't be, but it will be in some cases, and then you shouldn't take the choice from the good consumers to be responsible or charitable.


 No.85254

>>85210

>quality will be better when gov licenses come into existence

Are you saying Government licensing is to be trusted and the FDA is doing a proper job?


 No.85256


 No.85257

>>85203

>>85203

>although I am not aware that there are many high-functioning opioid addicts

You'd be surprised. One of the busiest times at the clinic I worked at was when the professionals in suits dropped in on their way home to their wife and kids


 No.85268

What the fuck is that video?


 No.85270

>>85268

Kokodril abuse victim


 No.85297

>>85268

Foundry accident I believe, getting a face full of molten metal is going to fuck you up.


 No.85324

>>85257

Oh well, you learn something new every day. Thanks anon!


 No.87896

"Behind every scare story, theres nothing" (clip from JRE 1136 - Hammilton Morris)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQD55bLoy8


 No.88072

>>85195

which is why we have all those black market cigarettes and black market liquors floating around, right?

>>85210

This is literally the entire point. Legalizing and regulating drugs means that people can't get away with selling a dangerous or substandard product as easily. Unless the taxes are super high (and the state would have literally no incentive to make them very high, they're trying to compete with the black market not ensure them extra business) people will go to legal sources for their drugs for the safety and convenience of it.


 No.88081

>>88072

> black market cigarettes and black market liquors floating around

These actually do exist. Grey market provides "loosies" instead of packs. People routinely cross state borders to buy cigarettes and alcohol in Delaware or get a relative to buy them from military bases to avoid taxes.


 No.88277

>>87896

synchronisation is not ok




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