/liberty/ - Liberty

>'F scale'

>(F for fascist).

LMAO, the kikes even developed a formula to determine exactly how fashy their goys are.

>>84306

Yeah, that is what sucks. They took a pretty good idea and made it so agenda-driven towards a particular authoritarian belief that Jews didn't like. The broader idea, like this

>The personality type Adorno et al. identified can be defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of childhood experiences. These traits include conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-intellectualism, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness", destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sex.

is sound, imho. You can criticize specifics in that list, but we all know the type of individuals for whom this type of thing applies, whether they are obnoxious cops or thought-control antifa.

>>84303

cant libertarian be a fascist? liberarianism and fascism are not self-contradictory in 100% after all

>>84310

i meant *mutually exclusive

sorry english is not my 1st language

>>84315

i think fascism is not necessarily statism

>>84318

This. NeetSocs see it as some magical utopian thing that will save the west, leftists use it as synonym for capitalism, and bluepilled normalfags use "fascist" as an insult, like as a synonym for "asshole".

>>84317

the three alternatives were Zimbardo's prison studies which suggest that authoritarianism happen because people just sort of act the way they do , in order to fit a role, Milgrams shock experiment which suggest that people obey authority figures based on things such as location, how well dressed a person is, and if the authority figure is present or not, and Asch's line study which suggests that people just sort of go along with what the majority of people around them are going with.

there was also the idea of the locus of control study, which identified people with an internal locus of control (people who believe that they are in control of their lives) and people with an external locus of control (people who think that everything in their lives is down to external forces beyond their control.)

sorry if some of this shit is inaccurate or under detailed, it was a while back, so my memory may be fuked.

>>84339

All this seems very interesting, thanks anon.

>>84318

yes, it is a matter of definition

>>84317

>Right-wing authoritarianism

Yeah, this trash. It reminds me of a "study" a good acquaintance and former friend once ran, about "bullshit". The word was even in the title of the study. Basically, he declared some beliefs to be bullshit and then studied why people believe this bullshit.

Same with the guy who came up with right-wing authoritarianism, forgot his name. I think he came up with it, at least. He set up the questions up in a way that guaranteed evangelicals would fail. Like whether they'd change their views to conform to new evidence. Obviously, such a question is not unlikely to be answered in the negative by people who don't buy into the atheist rhetoric about rationality, or those who believe in a priori principles, even if they might be openminded generally. That evangelicals are retarded goes without mention, but you don't have to be dishonest to out them as retards.

Then he let them participate in a nation simulator. The libertarians and conservatives that he labeled to be right-wing authoritarians all caused a massive famine with their laissez-faire foolishness, whereas the left-wingers that participated solved worldwide hunger through redistribution policies. He set one group up for failure, and called that "science".

Right, Bob Altemeyer. That was the assholes name.

>all organizations with leftists in them will tend to become completely leftist over time.

All organizations not explicitly right-wing will become left-wing over time, it was.

>>84325

Best to define it historically, it's the only thing that makes sense. Look at what defined Italian Fascism, then see which other societies and regimes were influenced by it. I would argue that there simply is no idealtype of fascism, it's a composite of several rather unrelated, even contradictory concepts, a mass movement striving to have a patriarchal figure on top, spiritualism void of all content, a positivistic belief in the malleability of human beings and a romantic notion of heroism. There is no hard core to it. It can be all things to all people, because it tries to be all things at once.

>>84339

This: >>84343

>>84339

I think Zimbardo said it's his own fault for setting up the experiment and tricking the prisoners into staying. The role explanation isn't enough for himself, because he chose to take it.

There were some other external vs internal spatial orientation, but I don't know how important they are for authority.

>>84391

there is also the fact that he didn't finish the study since his girlfriend told him to pull the plug early.

>>84386

I think that economically, modern Russia is a good example of real fascism in the classical sense of the word, according to how Mussolini described fascism. The only thing it lacks is glorified romantic ethno-nationalism, which is replaced with American-tier patriotic civic-nationalism.

>>84406

there are no corporations in russia and there is big grey market and black market

>>84739

Exactly. Instead of glorified ethno-nationalism, you get glorified multi-cultural civic-nationalist patriotism. If you see these kebabs as anything other than honorable citizens of the Russian Federation like yourself, you would be a called a fascist

I wouldn't be surprised if this kebab becomes the next president of Russia.

>>84747

There are, just state-owned. I'm too lazy to look for the statistic, but I read somewhere that the state owns like 80% of the country's business.

>>84762

fug, I meant unrelated

>>84759

>There are, just state-owned. I'm too lazy to look for the statistic, but I read somewhere that the state owns like 80% of the country's business.

most things are private but owners of big companies and factories became owners because they were friends with bureucrats (corruption)