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 No.83528

why is it economically ok for one person to rule a company and not economically ok for 1 person to rule a country/state?

 No.83531

why is it economically ok for one person to file head of household and not economically ok for 1 person to rule a company?


 No.83534

muh voluntaryism muthafuka


 No.83535

>>83528

Because on is achieved through voluntary transaction and one is achieved through military force. If a business man somehow acquired all the land equivalent to a state that would be fine.


 No.83537

why is it economically ok for one Lenin to lead the revolution but not economically ok for 1 person to own property?


 No.83616

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why is it economically ok to own the means of production but not economically ok to own every serf in the kingdom?


 No.83617

Why is acceptable for children to inherit huge estates?


 No.83627

>>83617

Why would anyone amass a fortune if they will not be allowed to pass it onto their children?


 No.83629

>>83617

>Why is acceptable for children to inherit huge estates?

For the same reason it is okay for a rich person to freely give their money to who they want.


 No.83664

>>83627

And that's how socialism works.

Checkmate ancaps


 No.83667

>>83664

Yes, we get that that's how socialism works, it's fucking retarded.


 No.84023

>>83535

i asked about economics not about ethics


 No.84026

>>83528

In terms of economics, it is because of the inherent meritocratic and self-regulatory qualities of the free market. Anyone can own a business, all they have to do is say they are selling something that they own and boom, it's some arbitrary form of business. When someone becomes a stereotypical business owner, with property and a production capacity, they hedge their bets that they will outcompete the other business owners in their chosen market sector at least enough that they will turn a profit valuable enough to them that they are willing to suspend their immediate profit for long-term gain. If they fail in their competition, then they improperly forecasted in some degree, be it in consideration of their own productive potential or in consideration for the production potential of their competitors as well as a plethora of things which must be considered.

When it comes to States, however, things get a bit fucky. I am going to assume that we are talking about actual States, not the pseudo-states of anarcho-capitalism that manifest through the voluntary contributions to social governance. These organizations are de facto monopolies which are propped up through the utilization of aggression in order to stomp down their competition. They express through force their intention to operate without competition in a particular area, and as such the calculations they make are drastically different from the ones a businessman makes. Rather than having to account for competition and having to forecast market conditions, cultural conditions, production conditions, resource conditons, etc. in order to be effective in the establishment of an organization, a State merely has to forecast whether or not they can "get away with it". Seeing as they are operating through force, they must have a perceived degree of consent by their subjects. Thus they must forecast whether or not what they plan on doing is going to shed or accumulate perceived consent. They are in the "business" of increasing the accumulation of consent and reducing the shedding of it. They do this in order to increase their total power, and thus their ability to succeed personally in an economic manner (through the trade of power via some fashion). What does this mean? If a singular person is ruling a State and they are self-interested (hint: everyone is self-interested, being otherwise is impossible as you consider your own subjective values when making the evaluations regarding immediate and future actions) then they will enact policies which restrict the potential for others to compete and expands the reach of their economic potential. This is why States always expand and take over more and more industry through regulations and outright seizure in the case of Last-Stage-Statism/Socialism. This means that a singular person ruling over a State will lead to poor market performance across the board in the long run as this person seeks to expand their take. This is also why States play demographic games- in order to expand their control over the market by minimizing the effectiveness of the free market through "integration" of foreign elements which cannot actually contribute to said market and only act as leech agents.

Now, it is possible to have a benevolent dictator with no personal economic interests, but this is extremely rare and you cannot assume that this will be the case all the time. The State infrastructure can *only* be operated by the benevolent in ways which will not hurt the subjects of said State. This brings into question the whole point of the State, and whether or not it is even necessary anymore. I don't believe so, for ethical and economical reasons. I think every service the State "provides" can be better handled by entrepreneurs on the market at a lower cost and a higher quality than the State could ever manage. I think competition on things like law and provision of defense is the only way we can be certain that we will not only be safe, but be free to manifest our lives in the righteous ways we choose.


 No.84029

>>83528

Because the state is always to a certain extent socialistic. To that extent, the economy does not work as well as it would without a state. The security industry, for example, reacts slow to changes in demand, if it reacts at all. A lot of money is spend fighting drug dealing, while thousands of rape kits lie unused. You have the paradox situation of a sector being at once overfunded and atrophied.

Socialize more sectors of the economy, and you eventually arrive at shit like the Soviet Union, which had regular shortages in such items as alcohol and meat, even during its more prosperous times. Such shortages are quickly eliminated in the market, as someone is going to smell a profit and step in.

The calculation-problem only applies strictly when there are no price signals at all. Even the Soviet Union managed to still do its planning by using price signals from the time of the Tzarist Regime and from capitalist countries. Not that it worked remotely well, but the country didn't revert back into the stone age, so you could say it kinda worked.


 No.84048

>>84023

But it is economically fine. As long as they run the country like a corporation.


 No.84050

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>>83528

>why is it economically ok for one person to rule a company and not economically ok for 1 person to rule a country/state?

> economically ok

This is a very odd question and I'm genuinely unsure as to what it is that you're trying to imply or even ask, one's a private enterprise that relies on private investment and voluntary exchange whereas the other one is a compulsory criminal activity that does away with voluntarism in order to siphon wealth from the general population and use it to further the goals of those within the state apparatus. Moral and ethical questions aside, this means that the state doesn't have an inherent incentive to improve its services or provide citizenry with competent service to begin with. Sure, you could argue that one person or even one family ruling over a state is more efficient for economic growth than say something like a democracy but due to the fact that the state does not inherently have to listen to market actors and due to the fact that those leading the state apparatus (whether it is one or multiple) have a self interest of their own, they will inherently be less efficient than a market actor that actually pays attention to his sales, profits and his resources. There's a 180 degree difference between a business and a state but it seems like you've tried to draw some sort of equivalency between the two when there isn't one


 No.84320

>>84026

reminds me of virus of mind bearers who lobby and shout for anexion of historic lands of certain nation. like poles wanting vilnius or lviv back. state wants to expand, to have more people to tax


 No.85578

>>83627

Fame and fortune are supposed to be the rewards for contribution to society, not the measure of it. Giving your child a fortune is like having an Olympic medal cast to give to your child.


 No.85581

>>85578

Your child can either use the fame and fortune to spend his whole life drinking and fucking whores (if you don't raise him well), or he can use it as an investment for even greater projects that his father couldn't realize, or even continue his father's work. The point is, the child will be more capable of providing a service to society than if he had to start from zero as some poor as fuck factory worker living in some ghetto. Stop trying to sound like it's a capitalist thing to steal someone's property when he dies, your communism reeks everywhere.


 No.85595

>>83664

That's exactly how socialism works yeah, no one bothers trying because they'll still be getting the same amount as the other guys.


 No.85599

Anarchy has no ruler.


 No.85618

>>85599

How do you measure the distances between lines?


 No.85696

>>84023

So, to put it more directly, you're asking "What is the economic difference between a scenario where people can choose to leave and one where people can not?"


 No.85727

>>85578

cool false equivalency, comrade.


 No.85793

>>83528

A company is regulated by profit loss while a state is regulated only by its citizens' tolerance of it.


 No.85796


 No.85802

>>85796

Tolerance can be manufactured without merit, but profit cannot.


 No.85855

>>85802

i disagree




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