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File: f0f89fd224653c2⋯.png (268.87 KB, 800x600, 4:3, freemarket.png)

 No.82916

Why do you have a right to freely exchange anything? You have no right to a market, you must get the consent of the market owner.

 No.82918

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>>82916

i can exchange things in free (unowned or owned by all) market


 No.83150

File: f236f9c1efb0708⋯.jpg (333.84 KB, 1439x1032, 1439:1032, Screenshot_20180429-154621….jpg)

>>82916

A market isn't propery anon, it's an abstract economic concept.


 No.83155

>>83150

Good luck practicing that abstract concept when I refuse use of my roads to access a booth.


 No.83156

>>83155

Do you think before you post?


 No.83166

>>83155

good luck pretending what you just typed has anything to do with free trade


 No.85803

>>82916

Why would a marketplace owner not allow profit-generating costumers in?

A marketplace owner withdraws consent from someone at expense of potential profit from their business. If you're in a marketplace to buy something and not disrupt commerce, you should have no problems with the owner.


 No.85806

>>82916

>another dumbfuck from /leftypol/ doesn't understand what economics is thread

Listen you dumb son of a bitch, economics is a sort of applied philosophy, a branch of empiricism, that looks at what actually happens. Ancarco Capitalism is not what "should" be, it is a description of what actually works. You have a "right" to freely exchange things, because this is the way trade works in Singapore, the U.S., and many other free leaning places.

On the other hand, Socialism and Marxism are ideologies; they are not empiricist descriptions. Socialists and Marxists believe that they have the "right" idea for how a market should operate, and why it should operate. They are so arrogant, they believe that they can tell what everybody wants at all times of the day, the definition of a command economic structure

Why do you have a right to seize the means of production? You have no right to factories, you must get the consent of the factory owner.


 No.85811

>>83155

Good luck buying every road ever


 No.85828

>>82916

> market owner

Do you even know what you're talking about? At all?


 No.85836

>>85828

Why bumb this shitty thread?


 No.86091

>>85828

> Do you even know what you're talking about? At all?

You do realize that markets are physical places right? They either exist literally or one spot or are virtualized across many segments of private property. Yes markets have owners.


 No.86092

>>86091

*on one spot or


 No.86097

>>86091

Venues have owners. The Market is an abstraction


 No.86101

>>86097

>The market is an abstraction

Where do you think the term market comes from anon


 No.86102

>>86101

The modern word for market comes from the marketplaces but the idea predates theword and is an abstraction, and if you cant divorce the two then you may have autism or aspergers or something.


 No.86103

File: fe17d9eb2a8615a⋯.webm (1.18 MB, 634x360, 317:180, what you just said.webm)

>>86091

That's not what the market is, you fucking idiot. The free market is a term for an array of voluntary exchanges of goods and services that take place in society, it's not something that can be owned. For fuck's sake, it's economics 101. It's not the hardest fucking thing in the world to understand.

>They either exist literally

As opposed to figuratively?

>or one spot

What?

>or are virtualized across many segments of private property.

You're not even making sense anymore. 'Virtualized'? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you mean spread out amongst segments of private property? That doesn't prove your case at all.


 No.86105

>>86103

yet again you prove you're one of the most willingly obtuse posters on this board.


 No.86108

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>>86105

I don't really see the fruit of engaging with someone that tries to put forward this idea of the market being a physical place as opposed to a societal phenomenon (the type of market he's talking about has very little to do with the 'market' as defined in economics, and as other anons mentioned his strategy wouldn't even really be efficient in that context either), then proceeds to form sentences and points that don't even make any sense ("virtualized across many segments of private property", "exist literally or one spot").

However, I have seen the error of my ways! Clearly, I should amuse every retard with a keyboard, just as I'm doing with this very post.


 No.86109

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>>86103

market = a physical or virtual place in which transactions can occur.

"the market" = sum of places in which transactions can occur.

>The free market is a term for an array of voluntary exchanges of goods and services that take place in society, it's not something that can be owned.

The market is not equivalent to exchange. The market is the infrastructure that allows for exchanges to happen. Turn your fucking brain on.

> What?

1. The anon made a typo and corrected it in his next post. Wake the fuck up.

2. Not everyone on this site is a native English speaker.

>You're not even making sense anymore.

He made sense, you're just a retard.

>>86108

>I don't really see the fruit of engaging with someone

Then shut the fuck up?

>the type of market he's talking about has very little to do with the 'market' as defined in economics

Yes, it does. Because "the market" is an abstraction composed of real existing markets which only exist as various forms of property that serve as a type of infrastructure or medium.

>then proceeds to form sentences and points that don't even make any sense

Maybe use reading comprehension?

> "exist literally or one spot"

holy fuck, batman, are you blind & stupid? The anon corrected this in the very next post >>86092

>Clearly, I should amuse every retard with a keyboard, just as I'm doing with this very post.

Or you could do something really productive like kill yourself and immediately improve this board's quality.


 No.86110

File: 945e2f61a0caef2⋯.jpg (59.43 KB, 612x613, 612:613, deserve to be booed.jpg)

>>86109

>The market is not equivalent to exchange. The market is the infrastructure that allows for exchanges to happen. Turn your fucking brain on.

Good job pulling definitions right out of your ass. It's too bad that your definition isn't even correct to begin with. That's not a market, that's a marketplace and there is a difference. If I were to say the market isn't good for bagel restaurants then it doesn't mean that the market place down the fucking street isn't a good place to sell bagels, it means that most people don't value and buy from bagel restaurants enough for it to be a profitable venture. Turn your fucking brain on, and quit being a complete faggot.

>Then shut the fuck up?

no

>Yes, it does. Because "the market" is an abstraction composed of real existing markets

Market places, not markets you sperg. Even then Market places (at least in the direct and physical manner) aren't really that important in modern economies (things are shifting toward a more digital medium, although digital market places are their own matter), at least not to the point where they are synonymous, so the simplification of the market that you present just isn't correct.

Mind you, he sees his 'gotcha' as applying to both: >>83155

>holy fuck, batman, are you blind & stupid? The anon corrected this in the very next post >>86092

You've already said that two times, and hey you're right! It still didn't really prove his case. He insinuates that our right to freely exchange anything doesn't exist because i have to get the consent of the "market owner" (when really I can just exchange something directly with someone else as opposed to through a marketplace, cutting out a potential middle man completely). Again it's why 'marketplaces' don't really ascertain much when it comes to discussing economics or even ethics revolving around economics.

>Maybe use reading comprehension?

> use reading comprehension on things that don't make sense

I'll be sure to 'virtualize' your next argument.

> which only exist as various forms of property that serve as a type of infrastructure or medium.

Market place. MARKET PLACE. Even then market places, while definitely still a crucial part of market as a whole, are not markets in of themselves. I've probably repeated around twice now.

>Or you could do something really productive like kill yourself and immediately improve this board's quality.

An increase in retardation is hardly improving board quality by any means.


 No.86111

>>86102

>>86103

Look faggots you don't just get access to a market because MUH ABSTRACTION you have no right to the ability to trade with anyone else. If you trade on your own land thats one thing but you will be severely limited.


 No.86114

>>86111

If you trade on your own land and nobody else will trade anywhere else because "lol the market isnt free trolololololol!!!!" then you will make all the money because you are the only trade venue


 No.86116

>>86114

>then you will make all the money because you are the only trade venue

turns out reads are pretty valuable m9


 No.86117

>>86116

*roads


 No.86125

>>86116

And the one guy who opens up his roads will make all the money too.


 No.86137

>>86125

Lol. Land is finite bruv. There is no buying of land that can get you through the land I own.


 No.86152

>>86137

I dont have to buy land. Whoever owns the land only makes money if it's getting used which is why he will open it up to marketplace activities. Are you even trying or is this some low energy attempt at trolling?


 No.86185

>>86152

>Whoever owns the land only makes money if it's getting used which is why he will open it up to marketplace activities

Lol only if he is retarded. Otherwise he will use his local monopoly on transportation to require half of everything someone owns before they starve to death.


 No.86187

What's to stop me from hiring goons to break your legs if you try to compete with me in the market, and then bribe the dominant police force to look the other way?


 No.86188

>>86187

Leg breaking is itself a part of the market anon. You have simply out competed someone in a different way. I hope they have good anti leg breaking insurance from one of the many PMCs available.


 No.86190

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>>86187

The same reason nobody does it now. It's too direct and will potentially ruin you for life. It's why the top approach is to be more subtle and instead lobby governments to regulate your competition out of business. Video strongly related.


 No.86441

>>86187

If the local culture is good (read: not nigger infested) you will probably be run out of town for being such a massive dick, and the police would be less likely to accept your bribe, since he has a personal attachment to the health of the community. In addition, if all citizens are armed, including me, there would be less people willing to take the risk to break my legs, and I would be able to fight back against your violent nigger tactics.


 No.86443

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>>86190

>I'm not gonna banter back and forth with you

>mfw

Image board culture has ruined me.


 No.86947

>>82916

>Why do you have a right to freely exchange anything?

Rights don't exist, so that is a moot point.

>You have no right to a market, you must get the consent of the market owner.

You can't own a market. Fuck off from whence you came.


 No.86952

>>86947

>You can't own a market.

But you can lol, just like you can own the roads.


 No.86953

>>86952

Like several anons posted before in this very thread, markets aren't physical objects that can be owned as property, but are abstract economic concepts. Roads are physical objects, therefore they can be owned. Please stop spewing your shit everywhere and read a book.


 No.86955

>>86952

Market =/= marketplace, autist


 No.86956

>>86953

Anon do you know where the word "market" in market economics comes from? Thats right, a place where you can exchange things. That so called abstract concept is sure as fuck not going to help you when you don't have access to a market without trespassing.


 No.86960

>>86953

You can't exchange in abstract economic concepts you dumbfuck, the actual concrete exchange will always take place in actual concrete places. Fuck off with your Platonist bullshit



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