No.81903
Why are you a libertarian? Why is liberty so important to you?
No.81904
>>81903
because I don't understand basic economics
No.81907
>>81904
true, left libertarians do not understand economics
No.81909
>>81907
>libertarians do not understand economics
ftfy
No.81910
>>81909
>You do not understand economics
ftfy
No.81914
>>81910
Gotta buy that DLC
No.81915
>>81903
I always preferred being left alone to being bossed around, leeched off of, etc. Call it an instinct.
No.81921
>>81915
>I always preferred being left alone to being bossed around, leeched off of, etc.
>/pol/
No.81924
>Why are you a libertarian?
Don't know and kind of doubt if I am libertarian.
>Why is liberty so important to you?
What is life without freedom? Should i be the most productive in the slave hives of China? To me the most life can be lived is the life without rules, the one where my actions have consequences and the only one I can blame is myself for my mistakes. Why isn't liberty important to you?
No.81928
No.81930
>>81915
>pic of a smoking animu girl
>I always preferred being left alone
>Call it an instinct
kek, aren't you a rebel
I got big news for you dip
majority of people prefer to be left alone
but guess what? division of labor and the need to sell your labor power to survive makes sure that all the kewl lonewolf fantasies remain just that - infantile fantasies
No.81931
>>81930
wow you must be a really mature cool dude
No.81932
>>81930
There is division of labour when people own their own, rather than being drafted into society.
No.81936
I'm not a libertarian but I believe in a non-dogmatic idea of freedom for the same reason that George Orwell was a socialist and fought against fascism in Spain - basic human decency. No system is worth it to me if we have to abandon things like basic freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom to "own" in some sense the fruits of your labor and control your own life.
It's not a very popular viewpoint, I admit, but in any situation I always side with more freedom instead of less. There is always an excuse to take away basic freedoms and the excuse is almost always bad or irrelevant. There are ways of solving problems that don't require a police state or hotpockets telling everyone what to do or think.
No.81939
Literally the whole point of being a living thing is making choices and influencing things. If you don't do that, you're basically a big fleshy inanimate rock. So, why even be alive if you have your autonomy stolen by a bunch of out of touch old fucks who don't even know you? If someone else has to think your thoughts out for you and tell you if they're okay, why even have a brain?
Not to mention, those of us capable of making our own decisions are extremely bothered by other people stepping in, telling us we're stupid, and making our decision for us. I mean, apparently the american people are too dumb to govern themselves, but they're just smart enough to pick other american people that can govern them for them. Inevitably you end up with a huge white building full of old fat fucks in suits who never bothered to learn dick about anything. Dumb fucks demanding more of your money for our extremely poorly designed education system, instead of trying to fix it. Fat fucks demanding more of your money for a demonstrably untenable universal healthcare system, instead of leaving it to the private sector. Liberal fucks demanding more of your money for easy to abuse welfare programs, instead of letting already existing free market solutions and charity assist them. Conservative fucks demanding more of your money for our titanically bloated and gangrenous military, instead of redirecting the money we already have going to maintenance of equipment and facilities that we haven't used in decades.
A society without liberty just doesn't seem to be one worth living in, hence "liberty or death".
No.81940
>>81939
"Don't tell me what to do, mom!" the post
>One cannot live in society and be free from society
t. some bald dude
No.81941
>>81903
There are two kinds of people, basically: Those of us who want to be free, and those who want everyone to be free. The number of honest statists, who would be fine with being slaves, is negligible. All the pretend-dictators are expressly not against having freedom themselves.
No.81942
>>81936
>How to disagree with libertarians without coming off as a tyrant: The post
Can't all non-libertarians be like that? Everybody hates taxes but mention libertarianism and suddenly, they're voluntary.
No.81944
>>81941
You're forgetting those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for comfort and/or security.
No.81945
>>81944
Those people are sacrificing the freedoms of others and not themselves. Anti-gunners, for instance, don't see gun bans as an infringement on their freedoms because they've already chosen voluntarily not to be gun owners. The "restriction" doesn't affect the choices they make so in their eyes they haven't lost any freedom. Same with people that are pro-surveillance Although I can't say I've met anyone who is, I'm sure they exist somewhere. In their eyes, the NSA looking through their files is okay. They've ""agreed"" to it in the sense that they don't object to it, so to them it's not a restriction of freedom because the restriction simply orders them to do what they were going to do anyways. So in all cases, people who are anti-freedom will still support their own freedom while restricting that of others.
No.81946
>>81928
>twf I'm sucking your blood
No.81949
No.81950
>>81930
>labor power
Indeed this term is an infantile fantasy
No.81963
>>81940
Do you still let your mom tell you what to do?
No.81967
>>81903
I just want everyone to hippity hoppity the fuck off my property. Is that too much to ask for?
No.81970
I am a libertarian because I feel physically repulsed and sick to my stomach on a daily basis that the government rules men and not the other way around and I literally have intense moral feelings that the NAP is the one true good and anyone who does not abide by the NAP is evil. Pic related mfw government oppresses and slaughters all day every day
No.81981
>>81940
Son, who allowed you to have opinions?
No.81984
>>81946
You're sucking on something alright
No.81993
>>81981
>muh opinions
why don't you fucktards just go die live innawoods already?
drop yourself on some island in the middle of fucking nowhere and live your naked ass proud independent baboon life
No.82005
Libertarians don't care about liberty, they only care about sucking the cock of the rich.
No.82006
>>82005
>t. Starbucks-chugging lefty who probably made this post from a Macbook
No.87933
Because people and societies function best when human rights are respected, and because being disrespected by government agents infringing upon my basic rights is infantilizing, emasculating, and downright rude (and degrades society at large)
No.87955
If they cared about freedom they would be anarcho-communists, not """libertarians""".
No.87959
>>81903
Because I want to be left the fuck alone and a system of liberty is the only way to be left the fuck alone.
No.87973
No.87974
>>81903
Because being Libertarian means being alpha, and I'm alpha.
No.87975
>>81903
>Why are you a libertarian?
I am a libertarian because I believe that a man has the rights to his life and his property. Very simple things that are the bedrock of any good civilization, community, etc.
> Why is liberty so important to you?
This is a very odd question. The opposite of liberty is ultimately oppression, if you oppose aggression against others or even yourself then you have to value liberty on some essential level. If you don't value liberty then really slavery, theft, aggression and having your rights violated by someone else is really the only alternative.
I know this probably wasn't a shitpost, but it's like asking "Why do you value peace?", it's such an odd question because when one looks at the alternative it becomes pretty obvious why such a thing is important.
No.87977
Libertarian=Political
Liberty=Apolitical
Freedom, you either are, or pretend you aren't.
No.87996
I was pushed pretty far towards the alt-right by left-wing excesses but now the right-wing authoritarian autism carnival is cringing me on a roll back towards libertarian circles.
As asinine as some libertarian laypeople can be, their intellectual godfathers are still pretty convincing. Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Adam Smith, Henry Hazlitt, and Frank Meyer are some figures I've been reading about. Edmund Burke as well, but he's not exactly "libertarian" in the modern sense.
No.88078
>>87996
Adam Smith isn't exactly "libertarian" either. Libertarians thought doesn't really actually borrow much from Adam Smith, he's far more often critiqued by libertarians than embraced. People just refer to him because he's well known.
No.88252
I watched too much CNN bs and saw too many uncanny power grabs and appeals to unchecked emotion or corporate machines to not value my liberty and the liberty of my fellow man. I saw the hordes lied to about the nature of socialism and fascism and chose something better, now I can only hope my generation can see what I have and make the world great like never before.
No.88253
I watched too much CNN bs and saw too many uncanny power grabs and appeals to unchecked emotion or corporate machines to not value my liberty and the liberty of my fellow man. I saw the hordes lied to about the nature of socialism and fascism and chose something better.
No.88264
Because the social contract is a spook, proof me wrong.
Libertarianism has simple static universal rules from which everything is build upon. Which other ideology does this?
No.88835
>>81944
>You're forgetting those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for comfort and/or the illusion of security.
fix'd
No.88860
>>81903
because I am tired of people who don't understand basic economics but think they do and are very vocal about it
No.89058
It also seems that libertarians are the only idealists anymore outside the basic bitch mainstream of politics who want to discuss ideas that aren't lousy with idpol, although as this board and snek niggers repeatedly prove it is by no means free of that distraction.
No.89060
>>89058
Nah, group preferences are important and it's only wise to acknowledge that instead of ignoring reality.
No.89061
>Why is liberty so important to you?
Because I have a bad habit of falling in love with 13-year old girls, and collectivists like to throw firebombs through the windows of people like me.
No.89065
>>89061
Ever considered throwing firebombs through their windows? You know what they always say. Fight fire with fire.
No.89075
>>89060
Not really, "nah." Keep pretending to be wiser than you are or more conscious of "reality", though. Pride before the fall is amusing.
No.89089
>>89065
>Ever considered throwing firebombs through their windows?
My arms would get tired long before I ever made a dent.
No.89090
>>89061
I wonder what kind of fucking retard you have to be to think an underage girl is your soulmate. Just admit that you are perverted deviant and it has nothing to do with love. You deserve every firebomb you get.
No.89092
No.89093
>>89090
I wonder what kind of feminist faggot you have to be to think it's "deviant" to express the sexual preference for youth that men evolved to express, or that any girl over 18 is even fucking capable of bonding with a partner enough to be anyone's soulmate. I'm a libertarian because in ancapistan, liberal cucks like you would be hunted down and killed.
No.89097
>>89090
You don't have to be a pedo to appreciate the appeal of unmolested youth. But a lot of degenerate faggots are, in which they have zero desire to marry and take care of a girl like that- they just want sum fuq.
No.89188
>>89093
<FFFFFF-FUFH-FUFHFFFF FEMINIST ROASTIEEEEEES REEEEEEREEEEEREERUHREERUHREERUHREEERUHREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Your preference for sub-adults is due to being a soft, weak, beta-male soy boy wanting something you expect will be shy and submissive and easy for you to just take as you please. Nothing to offer a woman as the man in relationship so rather than self-improve, dumb it down and go for girls who don't know better. Genetic dead end.
No.89217
>>89188
> wanting something you expect will be shy and submissive and easy for you to just take as you please
Ha. You wouldn't say that if you knew her.
No.89231
>>81939
how about varying degrees of liberty
No.89232
>>89188
>implying roasties have anything to offer me that compares to what teenage girls have
Lel, get owned stupid roastie bitch.
No.89263
>>89232
How cute. Your bull lets you have computer time!
No.89270
>>89263
My dick is referred to by both myself and your little sister as my bull, so yes.
No.89289
>>89270
Well bulls are symbolic of strength and virility and my sis does have a biting sense of irony.
No.90722
>>87975
Well said.
Another way of going about the question would be to ask what groups of people ask permission to undertake fundamentally lawful actions (read: acts that don't fundamentally hurt other people or their property). A good answer to that question would be as such: criminals, retards, and children..
Another question would be this: do people act better when treated as responsible adults or as criminals/retards/children. The correct answer here is strongly the first group, psychopaths excepted.
To want liberty then is to want to be treated with respect and to allow the conditions in which a health society can flourish over time.. To go against this idea is dumb at best, and suicidal (for a society) at worst.