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 No.81427

>Xi Jinping removes term limits for himself

>China bans 12 million people from leaving the country, using the "social credit" system as a pretext

>13th five year plan requires internet connected surveillance cameras in people's homes by 2020

>China has very quietly removed the bible from online search results

I see news articles about this occasionally, but I think this is much, much bigger news than people are giving it credit for. We're watching the first real-life implementation of an automated, AI-managed, ubiquitous surveillance network, which is tightly connected to a similarly automated, compulsory reputation system. This could be a return to Maoist China, except with orders of magnitude more surveillance due to the price of video recording/processing/transmission dropping significantly. It begs the question, how can dissent even form in a nation where you can be reported AND punished, even if no other human is interacting with you?

The idea that humans can always rebel, and therefore societies will maintain some minimum level of freedom has never actually been tested in such a highly technologically advanced context. I'm inclined to say its not true, simply because I don't see how someone could win against such a system internally. What will we do when this inspires similar systems in the U.S.?

 No.81428

>>81427

Technology works both ways. Every phone being an Internet-connected camcorder makes it that much easier to make video evidence of the totalitarian regime to be spread around. If the regime becomes too dependent on its surveillance network all it takes is for one group of dissidents to get a hold of one EMP to cripple the whole thing in a major area.


 No.81429

>>81428

>If the regime becomes too dependent on its surveillance network all it takes is for one group of dissidents to get a hold of one EMP to cripple the whole thing in a major area.

Ehhhh, that's a lot easier said than done. Frankly, you are simply not going to get an EMP powerful enough to take down a wired (not wireless) network. Even reliably disrupting long-range wireless communications takes a lot of power.


 No.81430

>>81429

You're correct, but the greater point is the same. An increase in technology makes it easier for the state to impose its will on you but it also makes it easier for citizens to resist. And I think the really big thing here is dissemination of information. It's easier than ever before to spread a message of your choice to a demographic dedicated enough to find and listen to it. Yes, the state can restrict the Internet, but black markets form, and the Internet makes it easier to facilitate those markets than it's ever been before.


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>>81427

You realize we live is 1984, right?




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