/liberty/ - Liberty

So what is everyone gonna do when all essential labor is finally automated? Focus on art?

>>>/wage/cucks btfo once again

>>78789

But can he put extra pickles on that?

>>78818

Yeah, to be fair this stuff has a lot of "meaning of life" implications. Eventually, no human will need another human to survive. What's the point in living if you are never needed? How are relationships meaningful if whether you are there, a person's life is the same?

>>78825

>Material goods and bare survival are the only possible ways you could 'need' someone

>>78828

I'm more implying that peope build relationships through sacrifice and work. If there's no work to be done or sacrifice to be made, in what meaningful sense is that person "there for you"?

>>78818

>So what is everyone gonna do when all essential labor is finally automated?

Focus on the other jobs to automate.

>>78789

Looks like a mitsubishi robot that they just stuck an apron on.

>>78818

Get fucking rich fixing robots.

>>78829

>If there's no work to be done or sacrifice to be made

There will always be work and sacrifices to be made.

>>78829

>If there's no work to be done or sacrifice to be made, in what meaningful sense is that person "there for you"?

There's always going to be some kind of work to do, even if it's not manual labor. And human demand can never be completely satisfied so scarcity will never go away, which means sacrifices won't go away either, as sacrifices are a more dramatic version of marginal analysis.

>>78836

>And human demand can never be completely satisfied so scarcity will never go away

Sure, but who's to say that the demand has to be filled by another human?

>>78818

Enjoy communism that actually works

>>78818

we'll see what to do if it happens.

Humans can't predict the future, but they are really good at solving problems when they appear. There is no reason to try to fix a problem that we don't know how it will really look and if it will ever come to be.

>>78845

>implying communism could bring about

post-scarcity

>implying that past scarcity people wont focus more on the distribution of their rights because there's nothing better to do and evolve into ancap

The only cogent thing Marx theorized was that in a world of automated labor, people would be free to pursue true human endeavors like philosophy and science

>dumb teenagers can't fuck up my order and spit in the food anymore

dog blis catiplizm :DDDDDD

>>78837

Not to be cheeky, but demand for human interaction. Humans act to minimize unease, but that doesn't always have to be completely rational. Rationally, teleconferences should have replaced the need for in-person meetings years ago. But because there's a demand for in-person interaction and there always will be, those meetings remain.

>>78862

I think that was the punchline is that it never works. That or anon just has brain damage.

>>78875

That's because it's a lot harder to lie to a regional manager's face than it is over a phone or web session.

>>78862

>in a world of automated labor, people would be free to pursue true human endeavors like philosophy and science

In a world of automated labor, most of humanity becomes ghetto niggers content to do drugs and duck and consume consume consume. The rest would be devoting their time to keeping the machines running and keeping the eloi alive. These useful people will become the new upper class, and the people who do nothing will see that the people who work for a living have better things than them and they eill go full GIBS ME DAT. The private security industry will then flourish as every western country becomes South Africa.

oh now heartless gment jobs welfare

>>78789

It's not like automation wasn't going to happen anyway. Now the Leftists will just take credit for "nudging" business in the right direction toward innovation. There is no winning this.

>Now the Leftists will just take credit for "nudging" business in the right direction

While fully-automated luxury has been a proposal of the left for about three centuries, now, the UBI that comes with it is not, in fact, generally Left.

DemSucc has occasionally debated whether actual full automation changes that, which gave us the SuccDem wing of capitalism… but normally, flat-out no.

>>78881

Assuming that the private security come from the new upper class of workers, wouldn't they eventually realise the benefit of being "proactive" in defending against the eloi? It's only South Africa for as long as they can maintain sympathy for a group of people who produce nothing except more mouths to feed, and this time there wouldn't be an international community that could intervene.

>>78818

Brace for UBI demands and ultimate approval.

>>78907

Perhaps, but your theory assumes altruism can be defeated. I base mine on what I have seen and what I know, and what I have seen is that the useful will continue bending over backwards for the useless while quietly securing themselves in gated or rural communities. All in all I see the mathematics man as completely right, the only thing he was wrong about was that he could prevent the terrible future that was coming.

>>78887

>It's not like automation wasn't going to happen anyway.

Basically. Increasing the cost of labor just gives increased incentive to automate jobs. We'll inevitably get to the point where automation becomes cheaper than hiring people, regardless of wages, within reason, of course.

>>78915

You get to the point where your career is based around fixing the machines and you still feel terrible about it. It's like being a tour guide on the road to hell.