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No.78686
>>78684
>place people in capitalist enviroment
>they behave acording to their circumstance
>muh human nature
Interesting enough video though.
No.78690
>>78686
>they behave acording to their circumstance
what does this mean?
No.78692
No.78694
>>78690
> If it is held that man is "by nature" an uninventive tribesman and an inventive businessman, a submissive slave and a proud craftsman, an independent hunter and a dependent wage-worker, then either man's "nature" is an empty concept, or man's "nature" depends on material and historical conditions, and is in fact a response to those conditions.
No.78700
>>78694
Man's nature is the way it is due to the Fall.
Read the book of Genesis.
No.78702
>>78694
but why? How can you prove that material conditions only affect people in this specific way?
>>78700
lmao
No.78703
No.78709
>>78686
Same shit happened in the gulags, except there was no commissary. Prisoners would use food rations or sexual favors as currency. No matter where you go, it is always there m8.
No.78711
>>78709
> sexual favors as currency
You clearly have no fucking idea what currency is.
No.78713
>>78703
I meant that material conditions can only explain that people can act, not how they act specifically
No.78715
>>78711
Currency is a widely agreed upon medium of exchange. Nothing more, nothing less.
No.78719
>>78684
Capitalism and communism both value human life as nothing, all life really very little. They both value materials over all other values. If it can't be sold, it is not worth anything.
No.78760
>>78715
Yes, and sexual favours are not a medium of exchange you dumb shit.
No.78771
>>78760
Can I not price something as "Two Blow jobs"?
No.78773
>>78760
Why not? Using a service provided over a commodity good would certainly be clunky Especially once you start taking quality of blowjobs into account, but it's certainly workable. If it still rustles your jimmies the prisoners could start creating tradable IOUs for sexual favors to exchange instead of sodomizing each other after each transaction. Eventually these writs of debt could evolve into a full-on currency. The Anus Standard, if you will.
No.78779
>>78771
Can you then use your verbal assertion that you got two blowjobs to buy something off someone else?
Is your ability to talk about having a blowjob then consumed or severed?
Nah. They''re totally doing the labor voucher thing. An idea I never got the point of, but there it is.
No.78783
>"Libertarians" consider prison to be a natural environment
No surprise there
No.78785
>>78783
>"an"com deliberately misinterpreting things to try and shit on libertarians
No surprise here either
No.78798
No.78800
>>78684
Prison is socialism. People sit around doing nothing while they leach off of tax money.
No.78808
>>78800
Prisoners have to do work detail to purchase commissary, so the real leaching is by the government once you consider the costs of legislating, enforcing, and judging criminal law.
No.78812
>>78808
>Prisoners have to do work detail to purchase commissary
<They have to work to purchase extra shit like snacks
No.78824
>>78812
>extra shit like food, blankets, and tampons
No.78826
>>78779
>not issuing blowjob currency
No.78842
>>78773
>The Anus Standard, if you will.
i giggled
No.78847
>>78773
>Why can't sexual favours be a currency? Here's a hypothetical situation where it is not a currency but a currency could be developed to overcome that.
Have you even read your own post? You are arguing against yourself.
>>78771
>What is barter?
No.78859
>>78824
>extra shit like food
They get food for free. They buy snacks because they don't like the toast.
>blankets
you get blankets for free
You are just making shit up at this point. Nothing you need to live a life better than almost all of humanity for all of history needs to be worked for in prison.
No.78860
>>78684
It's pretty neat how cigarettes always evolve into a currency in prisons and POW camps. It starts as barter, but then people realize that cigarettes are a very solvent good and slowly people who dont smoke start hoard cigarretes for their exchange value and the people with other goods begin developing cigarette prices for everything.
No.78864
>>78859
>Nothing you need to live a life better than almost all of humanity for all of history needs to be worked for in prison.
I've done time in county jail over less than a gram of cannabis.
I lost a fuckload of weight in that month, and that thin bedsheet was goddamn cold. I would have been better off homeless without gear.
Is prison that much better than county jail? Or do you just live in some goddamn eurotopia?
No.78865
>>78864
>free food
>free shelter
>work for snacks and playing cards
Most prisons even have televisions you can sit around watching all day. Standard American prison.
No.78876
>>78760
because we have much better mediums of exchange, even in prison. No one is saying that sex is actually a good currency.
>>78847
The buttsex is still the actual currency, the IOUs are simply acting as banknotes that the bearer can redeem for sodomy instead of precious metals.
>>78826
Blowjobs would be like silver, and mostly used for smaller transactions compared to anal.
No.78879
>>78876
> The buttsex is still the actual currency
But that's wrong
No.78923
No.78926
>>78923
The banknotes would be the currency, what they are backed by is irrelevant. Buttsex cannot act as currency because it is consumed during exchange. If you sell a coat for buttsex, you won't have that buttsex to give away for a Bible. It's nonsense.
No.78930
>>78926
You still have a cavity that is always ready for more buttsex. The "sex" is consumed, not the "butt."
No.78931
>>78926
No, there's still a transfer of services. You gain whatever euphoria your degenerate self gains from buttsex, and the other guy loses calories. Under an Anus Standard, you could cash in any of the IOUs in your possession for some sodomy. It's a really shitty standard of exchange because buttsex isn't a commodity good, butt it could be made to work.
No.78932
>>78931
There's exchange but you can't give the buttsex away. If I have a coat and want a Bible I can sell it for coins and I'm sure that that coins can be further exchanged for that Bible that I want. The coins represent the future fulfilment of my want for a Bible, that's why I am willing to give the coat away for them. Not so with the buttsex. If I give the coat away and in exchange you let me fuck you in the ass there's no way I could get that Bible to help me with my relationship with G-d. All I am left with is no coat and guilty feelings about my degeneracy.
No.78933
>>78932
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it couldn't conceivably be a currency. If I have a gluten allergy, grain is still a possible medium of exchange.
No.78935
>>78933
I think his point is less that he doesn't like it and more that it isn't tangible. Receiving buttsex might (or might not) have personal value to you, but once it's over with you can't trade whatever value you've received to another person.
No.78936
>>78933
Are you illiterate or something?
No.78938
>buttsex standard
So we can have a future in which even Antifa supports the free market, and libertarians complain that they can't be fucked in the ass by the Fed anymore? I mean, yeah, I guess.
No.78978
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BigHerc explains why the Buttsex standard never took off in prison.
No.78984
>>78933
Sex is not a currency fam.
For sex to be a currency, it has to be something portable, it has to be a measure of value and consequentially a count of units. Sexual favors are just that, a service, they're not something tangible.
No.78985
>>78984
> just that
mean 'not that', holy shit I'm tripping early in the day today
No.79025
>>78984
It's a commonly accepted medium of exchange. If enough people started pricing their goods in blowjobs, sex would be a currency.
>it has to be something portable, it has to be a measure of value and consequentially a count of units
Those things just make something better at being a currency.
No.79061
>>79025
Are you pretending to be retarded? Even a libertarian cannot be this stupid. Do you not understand what "medium of exchange" means? It means that the exchange is done through it, it is its medium. In the banter situation if you have a coat and want to exchange it for a Bible, you have to find somebody who has a Bible and wants your coat. But if there's a medium of exchange, you can just exchange the coat for it, and then use it to further exchange that for the Bible. Obviously sex, or any other service, cannot be used as a medium of exchange as they are used up the same time they are produces and thus cannot be further exchanged. If people started pricing their goods in blowjobs it wouldn't become a currency, but the economy would degrade into a shitty banter system.
No.79064
>>79061
why did I repeatedly write banter instead of barter
No.79067
>>78860
The people who do smoke also help to keep inflation down as cigarettes never become to abundant.
No.79069
>>79061
>as they are used up the same time they are produces
Then give another one.
>shitty banter system
No one ever said that a blowjob standard is efficient, practical, or likely to be adopted.
No.79070
>>79069
You can't accumulate the capital without a form of slave system. Shitty idea.
No.79072
>>79069
Barter economies have no currency you fucking retard.
No.79077
>>79070
See
>No one ever said that a blowjob standard is efficient, practical, or likely to be adopted
And I'm supposed to be the guy with no reading comprehension?
No.79078
>>79077
You claimed it was currency, which it certainly isn't.
No.79079
>>79078
I claimed it would be if everyone decided to price their goods in sexual favors, not that it is.
No.79082
>>79079
But it has been demonstrated again and again that it cannot become a currency because it's unable to circulate.
No.79086
>>79082
>>No one ever said that a blowjob standard is efficient, practical, or likely to be adopted
No.79087
>>79086
You claimed it could be currency. We told you it can't be a currency. Yet you keep ignoring that and repeat this same bullshit again and again, that it could be if you really wanted it to be. The only one who is autistic here is you.
No.79088
>>79087
*could be if people started pricing their products in them
No.79093
>>79088
I can't believe this. How many times do we have to tell you that even if people started pricing everything in blowjobs, blowjobs wouldn't magically turn into currency, because they cannot circulate? Currency is not just "the unit of prices" or whatever the fuck you believe it to be, it has to fulfil very specific societal functions, which blowjobs obviously cannot.
No.79096
>>79093
>because they cannot circulate
Perform another sexual favor for the next exchange.
>or whatever the fuck you believe it to be
I've made the definition of currency that I'm using very clear. Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension.
>very specific societal functions
Those things just make something a more convenient medium of exchange, and therefore more likely to see widespread adoption and become currency.
>which blowjobs obviously cannot
Which is why they haven't actually become a currency.
No.79097
>>79087
>we
You mean "I", dont you, nigger? Because you're the only one here that still autistic enough to argue about something so obviously said in jest.
No.79113
>>78812
That extra shit is toilet paper, toothpaste, and nutrition/safety you are often not provided in chow halls.
No.79121
>>79113
You know prisoners get literally all of those for free right? Things they don't get are name brand hair conditioner, boxes of cards, etc.
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No.79130
>>79125
The best citation you have is a corrupt judge and sexual predator who wants to get out of prison?
No.79134
>>79130
…when it's identical to the known sample (county jail)?
Sure. The chances that he broke out of prison, flew to another state, asked some nobody what their time on a five sack was like, snuck BACK into prison, and made up a new, different story using these elements is…
…slim. Meanwhile, the original claimant has… fucking make-believe, coupled with a devout unwillingness to get their ass thrown in prison for the mystical wonderland that they and they alone are trying to convince everyone could be theirs so easily.
So yeah. And MOST people who can give firsthand accounts of prison conditions have been convicted of a crime, genius.
No.79168
No.79172
>>79168
>They gave us only one roll every Saturday.
You are using more than 1 roll a week? Stop wasting it all.
Everything you linked just says that they get everything for free with the last one complaining about well balanced nutrition that every American is lacking anyways. Not like they are going to find better nutrition from what they can buy it being things like ramen.
No.79173
>>79134
>And MOST people who can give firsthand accounts of prison conditions have been convicted of a crime, genius.
And the set of them that are trying to start a media shit show to get out of prison are the worst people to ask.
No.79213
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>>79172
>You are using more than 1 roll a week?
Keep in mine these are not necessarily your standard size two-ply (see attached video - 1/4 roll for 10 days)
>Everything you linked just says that they get everything for free
Not everything, if you read the 2nd link:
>The first thing you need to know is that the prison only provides basic necessities such as daily meals, clothing and personal care.
>All other things such as snacks, pen and paper, coffee, cookies, toothpaste, soap, shampoo and instant noodles can be bought in the canteen or prison commissary.
Notice how Soap and toothpaste are lumped in as "other things" and not "basic necessities".
>every American is lacking anyways.
Now you're just being ignorant and rude. Do you think tuna and fruits are not better nutrition than ramen? Both can be bought from commissary.
No.79221
>>79213
>Notice how Soap and toothpaste are lumped in as "other things" and not "basic necessities
No, they get soap, toothpaste, etc. They sell name brand suave in the store.
>Do you think tuna and fruits are not better nutrition than ramen? Both can be
They buy ramen because they want it, they are fed actual food for free.
No.79222
>>79213
They are fed actual meat and vegetables in prison, they buy ramen, stacks, and name brand shit.
No.79228
No.79233
>>79228
You linking to the same story about a corrupt judge sex offender complaining to get out of prison?
No.79270
>>79221
>No, they get soap, toothpaste, etc.
Where do you see that in my link?
>They buy ramen because they want it
Irrelevant. Just because they sell ramen in commissary doesn't mean its the only food source.
>they are fed actual food for free.
But often not meeting their nutritional requirements.
No.79297
>>79270
>Where do you see that in my link?
It's not in your link.
>Just because they sell ramen in commissary doesn't mean its the only food source.
Its the most popular
>But often not meeting their nutritional requirements.
I guess meat and vegetables are not enough then?
No.79380
>>79297
>If it is not in my link
Then you have provided no refutation to my statement.
>I guess meat and vegetables are not enough then?
Depends on the quantity and quality.
No.79394
>>79380
>Then you have provided no refutation to my statement.
yep
>Depends on the quantity and quality.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/07/what-s-in-a-prison-meal
Looks better than I eat.
/07/what-s-in-a-prison-meal
No.79395
No.79402
>>79394
Sure if you are used to food-borne illnesses and inadequate nutrition:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/12/prison-food-sickness-america/549179/
http://irlee.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/PrivatizationOfPrisonFood.pdf
>Pressure to minimize food waste led to improper food handling practices.
>Although the
contract specified standard recipes, deviations were common. Ingredient fillers were added and meals were diluted with water in order to stretch food rations. Expensive ingredients, such as seasonings, became scarce. Dietary standards were not met.
No.79403
>>79395
>meals at the jail averaged 2,031 calories per day
not adequate unless you live an sedimentary lifestyle
>prisoners said they combated their hunger by licking syrup packets and drinking excessive amounts of water
lol me at work
>turkey soy casserole
soyboys
No.79404
>>79403
>More than 2000 calories is not adequate
Are you fucking kidding me? How fat are you.
No.79406
>>79404
>hasn't heard about metabolism'?
How ignorant are you?
No.79412
>>79404
To be fair, I'm 6'0" and burn through about 2,500ish kcals/day before accounting for exercise so I can see where that anon is coming from.
No.79415
>>79406
>over 2000 calories a day for free is not enough
the absolute state of this denialism
No.79419
>>79415
But the food that I pay for doesn't taste good and the blankets that I also pay for are too thin think of the children ;_;
No.79423
>>79412
As a worker, and probably a fatty. Most of them don't work, and when you're fat then you take too many calories and should eat less than you burn.
>>79168
What is up with this, anyway? I get that you shouldn't let them live in their own filth, but they're prisoners for a reason. They're not supposed to live a comfortable life. Unless they're imprisoned unjustly for some reason, in which case I don't get why you didn't mention that, because it's kind of a central point.
No.79428
Honestly, this country has long since failed to live up to the false ideology it still purports. You could conceivably lie to yourself and believe the American mythology and tell yourself how great and good it all is and how god blessed the land with our presence, but you can't when that presence is then handed all the combined wealth of the old world empires over two world wars, and then proceeds to utterly fail to develop a vision or functional constructive philosophy, and falls back on pre-enlightenment medieval culture accomplishing nothing but self-defeating decisions 7 decades in a row.
The American century was last epcentury. The worlds Old Money merely waits, as it has done from empire to empire countless times, for the next more exciting up and coming nation of possibility. The US is not a developing nation, not because it achieves utopia, but because it lacks the ability to develop further. It's done.
No.79496
>>79415
If you are a 13 year old living a sedentary life, then 2000 would be enough. For an active inmate 20-year old male, 3,000 kcal are needed.
https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patterns/EstimatedCalorieNeedsPerDayTable.pdf
No.79507
>>79496
Shame that all that free food only gets them 2/3rds of the way
No.79532
>>79428
Cool story bro.
>>79496
It should be commonsense that these numbers can't be right, unless you've never made a serious effort to become fit or lose weight in your life. One double whopper, if google is to be believed, has about 250 calories. So according to this chart, if you're between twenty and thirty and living a "sedentary" lifestyle, you will lose weight if you eat nine double whoppers a day. Of course, that would be all you eat, but still, nine fatty, cheesy, greasy burgers while you sit on your computer all day and never leave the house except to go to McDonalds? You can't be serious.
And the "active" category is probably for people who are at least hobby athletes. I know I didn't lose much weight when I was 220 pounds and lifting weights three times a week, and I was eating significantly less than 2800 calories on most days of the week. Of course, professional lifters eat between 3000 and 4000 calories a day, but eating that much is such an integral part of their job, they could probably deduct their chicken wings from taxes.
No.79533
>>79532
>Of course, professional lifters eat between 3000 and 4000 calories a day, but eating that much is such an integral part of their job, they could probably deduct their chicken wings from taxes.
My point being, being able to eat so much that you could make it as a professional powerlifter isn't something that you should take for granted. It's the equivalent of fancy suits and legal codes for a lawyer, or wine for a professional wine tester.