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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

File: fd0ffd36f6eecc3⋯.jpg (44.55 KB, 657x572, 657:572, fd0ffd36f6eecc3363368411b5….jpg)

 No.76238

Why are ancaps so pathetic?

 No.76239

File: a7eeb1d2fcc902b⋯.webm (1.36 MB, 306x320, 153:160, fuku.webm)


 No.76242

0/10


 No.76251

>>76239

You can see as her virtual neurons are being destroyed by American (((culture)))


 No.76258

File: 99864976b804a19⋯.jpg (86.22 KB, 281x246, 281:246, absolutely rebellious.JPG)

>ancaps

>doesn't even bother for edgy "ancrap" spelling

0/10, didn't even try.


 No.76262

>>76251

All I see is a celebration of swears. Perhaps you're simply fixated on the USA. Is it envy?


 No.76268

>>76262

>defending soyshills

kys kike


 No.76292

>>76262

>constantly swearing and calling everyone slurs are upholding free speech

>>>/pol/


 No.76294

>>76258

>ancrap

>not ayncrap


 No.76295

File: 82b470e13f0ca0e⋯.png (628.05 KB, 1434x896, 717:448, ClipboardImage.png)

>>76294

>not ayycrap


 No.76314

>>76292

>constantly forcing men to be gentle and feminine

>>>/soyboys/


 No.76386

File: 6f79243831c817b⋯.webm (2.48 MB, 540x360, 3:2, nice meme kid.webm)


 No.76410

File: 7d8a2e4ab2705ad⋯.gif (50.84 KB, 956x1299, 956:1299, rummel ussr democide 1917-….GIF)

>>76238

Why did one hundred million people have to die to enable communism?


 No.76423

>>76238

>anime girls

low test soyboy cuck detected


 No.76427

>>76239

I came


 No.76487

>>76238

because they are bluepilled thot enablers


 No.76489

>>76386

IM SORRY!!!!!! WHAT IS YOUR NAME??? GIVE ME FB OR SKYPE


 No.76527

>>76386

What is this from


 No.76668

>>76527

It's /leftypol/'s board owner


 No.76696

>>76668

I thought she was transgender?


 No.76699

>>76696

He/She's a soythot.


 No.76714

>>76696

No, that's just a /pol/ meme. You know how they always make shit up to "troll" and then start seriously believing and getting upset by the very thing they've just made up?


 No.76716

>>76714

Facts are simply tools of oppression used in ideological conflict.


 No.76880

>>76238

Chaos is essential part of life.


 No.76898

File: 2fb7c29b16ad8d2⋯.mp4 (1.9 MB, 480x360, 4:3, 2fb7c29b16ad8d2f8a595d23a3….mp4)

>>76668

wrong, this is leftypols bo


 No.76917

>>76386

Show bobs pzl your bbeatiful


 No.77310

>>76386

No one has said what this is from or who it is yet


 No.77320

>>77310

It's the tranny owner of /leftypol/, did you just recently emigrate here from cuckchan?


 No.77323

>>77320

What source / evidence do you have. post a link


 No.77324

>>77320

Where is it from though (and why do you think thats the board owner). Link to something.


 No.77329

File: 9a12e24f0736fff⋯.png (108.35 KB, 600x587, 600:587, 1477427937501.png)

>>77323

>>77324

>proofs

Go back to dvach faggot.


 No.77331

>>77329

>I'm making up shit and calling you new fags in response


 No.77333

>>77331

Lurk moar if you're gonna ask stupid shit and not believe people. Stupid dvacher.


 No.77334

File: 977449b3a74607d⋯.jpg (40.22 KB, 633x348, 211:116, DSBvh3WVwAAYADB.jpg)

>>77333

still waittingggg


 No.77368

File: 9f845962ee1beb2⋯.jpg (11.7 KB, 191x255, 191:255, tranny.jpg)

>>77320

no, this is the BO


 No.77377

>>76238

because they ignore the fact that capitalism without restrictions and regulations on corporate growth, wealth inheritance, mergers, and other such things inevitably evolves into authoritarian oligarchy. monopolies are the natural end state of anarcho capitalism (and regular capitalism, if not prevented). (also, amusingly, marxism, communism, and socialism. monopolies. much more to say about that, but off topic) furthermore, if corporations are not FORCED to treat employees and the environment decently well (wages, work conditions, safety, pollution, etc.) then, well, they won't. I believe the proper term is "dystopian nightmare." or "Blade Runner." the closest thing to ancap that might actually work (like the ancaps dream) is jeffersonianism (mostly self sufficient small farmers originally, maybe something more modern today idk) with enforced limits on personal, as well as corporate, wealth to force a heavily polypoly (many, many small companies) business community. of course, this would not be anarchic as substantial government oversight would be necessary to enforce wealth limits and prevent the drive toward larger corporations and, eventually, megacorps. so, yeah. ancap is a deeply flawed concept. like a submarine screen door.


 No.77407


 No.77412

>>77377

>>77377

>because they ignore the fact that capitalism without restrictions and regulations on corporate growth, wealth inheritance, mergers, and other such things inevitably evolves into authoritarian oligarchy.

We ignore it because it's not a fact, and none of you can establish it as fact. The monopolization-tendency is mostly accepted as an axiom, never proven through historical evidence or sound a priori reasoning.

>furthermore, if corporations are not FORCED to treat employees and the environment decently well (wages, work conditions, safety, pollution, etc.) then, well, they won't.

I have also never seen a commie who could tell me why there is no competition among laborers. The closest I saw is the argument that laborers have to eat. Then they stop arguing, because their actual premises - that all the owners of the means of production have one mind, amd that the supply of labor is unlimited - is so stupid, not even they can consciously believe it. And trained labor is something they ignore anyway.

A, B and C want the labor of D, E and F. To get it, they will try to outbid one another, which means that if A offers a starving wage, B a subsistence wage, and C a quite decent wage, as decent as his profits will allow it.

>I believe the proper term is "dystopian nightmare." or "Blade Runner."

In case you missed it, Blade Runner didn't have people starving on the streets. It was crowded and messy but it wasn't as bad as 1984.

Also, sci-fi isn't reality. 2.5/10.


 No.77419

>>77407

thanks anon


 No.77436

>>77368

Cuckchanner it is.


 No.77488


 No.77490

File: d2aff99ba799cdf⋯.jpg (28.33 KB, 715x313, 715:313, OP_3rd_Grade.jpg)

>>76238

>takes the time to make a thread on a board for an ideology he doesn't agree with

>calling us pathetic


 No.77494

File: 2cb265f89f7d64c⋯.png (697.23 KB, 1752x1766, 876:883, The jews are the reason I ….png)

>>76238

Humm…


 No.77496

>>76386

I know who that autistic kike is. Does anyone knows her height? 3 years and nobody answered me yet


 No.77497

>>77407

>it is a junkie nutcase

perfect queen for liberty

I'm glad you found each other


 No.77499

>>77497

Was there really nothing else to shitpost about on leftypol that you had to rummage through old Liberty shitposts and bump it up?


 No.77509

>>77499

leftypol is boring

every day on leftypol is like a Groundhog day

and its actually kinda comfy here

you've built yourself quite a nice little girls club


 No.77512

like cold toilet seats? is personal liberty is less dependence? tap out and start collecting chemtrails? biotecture, gist a thot

.


 No.77517

>>77509

>leftypol is boring

Surely, that's not the fault of the immature, borderline retarded userbase.


 No.77518

File: e1ddcaf5eea9fb4⋯.jpg (95.19 KB, 719x719, 1:1, image-5.jpg)


 No.77527

>>77499

>old

It was posted yesterday faggot


 No.77540

>>77517

>borderline retarded userbase

>borderline

leftypol IS retarded

just look at their recent obsession - stock market rollercoaster

faggots actually monitoring every little rise or drop 24/7 now

we are fucking bloombergpol now, only even more retarded


 No.77542

>>77509

How typically leftist of you:

>north korea is boring

>every day in that socialist country is like groundhog day

>it's actually quite comfy here in seoul

>you've built yourself quite a nice bourgeois club

Leftists should all go live in the socialist shitholes that they built for themselves and leave our right-wing paradises alone. You parasites are unwelcome in successful societies.


 No.77544

>>77540

That'd be the opposite of Bloomberg where it's all sunshine and rainbows no matter how big the bubbles are, inflation is never just quite high enough and QE is always "right around the corner" as if it has ever ended.


 No.77552

>>77544

That's what you get for being a class cuck. Instead of worrying about inflation and bubbles and all that boring shit, you should just collectivize everything and turn everyone into passive soyboys.


 No.86168

Born that way.


 No.86169

File: 9be106cb08827f7⋯.jpg (31 KB, 844x376, 211:94, 9be106cb08827f74e5ae7af809….jpg)

>>77377

>muh monopolies


 No.86176

Because they don't even economics.


 No.86209

>>86169

>ancaps unironically believe monopolies can't happen in ancapistan


 No.86212

>>86209

>statists unironically believe monopolies can just spring up out of nowhere and stick around for long periods of time without government support


 No.86232

>>86212

Retard. States are monopolies on violence that last for decades if not hundreds of years. They pop up everywhere consistently and cover the entire world. The very existence of states proves the retardation of the ancap model.


 No.86237

>>86232

They act outside of the market and aren't nearly as subject to its rules. Burger king doesn't gun you down for making your own food.


 No.86249

>>86237

Bullshit they are within the market of violence and they consistently dominate it. Monopoly is a fundamental property of our world. Over and over again monopolies shall rise until they falter under their eventually degeneration.


 No.86256

>>86209

The consequences of antagonizing corporations who are playing the game in a fair and efficient manner are far greater than choosing to join them in playing by the game. If corporations do not play the game in a fair and efficient manner, it becomes much easier to justify hostile action.

With a more open market, monopolies of efficiency should be broken by internal competition, and prickly monopolies of law (like copyright or arbitrary land ownership) should be broken by a lack of a government to enforce them.

Prescriptive "should" used because this is an untested assertion, but based on modern socioeconomic thought, not an unreasonable one. "fair and efficient" used to represent a policy that has long-term efficiency, in other words, a simultaneously equitable and efficient policy.

I'm not personally an ancap or interested in pursuing an ancap society, but I think this is a fair answer to the proposed problem.

>>86232

>states are monopolies on violence

It's better to represent them as a monopoly on volition, at least in most civilized countries. The retrograde view is that the state should 'monopolize force', which hasn't even been feasible since gunpowder became public domain and borders became porous. At best, a few islands will manage to hold on tight to that petty dream, and only so long as their neighbor states aren't inclined to sabotage them.

A murderer kills someone in cold blood, while some homeowner shoots a robber in a reactionary and defensive manner. Both individuals used plenty of "violence" or "force" in their scenario, but it's the murderer who acted of their own volition, and without the state's consent, who is treated antagonistically by the court and negatively by the public. The same logic applies to many other generally hostile acts: a popular example is the comparison of "taxation vs theft". A much more relevant and subtle version of this dichotomy is the volition to seize property and land-wealth, which is the basic feature of war, and a defacto property of the state.

The implication of this understanding is that it is most efficient to offload volition, not force or violence, to a third party who acts as the deciding body for any such action. With the weight of overwhelming evidence on its side, this view is most likely true when seen within a historic (and pre-historic) context. The modern era is not in that range, though, as the social and technological landscape is a sharp contrast when compared to most of those "case studies".

"The state" is not a monolith and it's a consequence of our modern perspective (from a time with few, if any, successful alternatives to welfare capitalism) that we believe it to be so. Countries throughout history have been ruled in an array of increasingly efficient ways, often with newer ways overtaking the old as a market representation of a critical mass in technological and utilitarian advancements.

It's possible that the trait made obsolete was the efficiency of offloading volition, the bedrock of the state. Considering how much has changed in communications technology and material sciences, this view would be reasonable, if not down-right conservative. It's important to remember that not even one single technologically advanced country has been founded and designed with the information age in mind, and we simply do not know what a successful example of this kind of futuristic society looks like. This has been a matter of speculation for three decades now, first as science fiction and then as object reality, but we still do not know.

I think it would be a good idea to read the signs as they are and look for escape routes that don't involve society totally imploding overnight and/or utter tyranny, so I'm urging you to maybe humor ancaps when they insist that their option is a legitimate one and try to find a more pleasant alternative to it, instead of clinging to the fading orthodoxy and condescending at them.

The more heads hit this problem from more directions, the less likely we're left with fucking anarchy as the only valid model.

this post got way too long to proofread well and it's probably riddled with enough errors to make me look like an ESL, fug


 No.86329

>>76238

0/10 Go back to Reddit.


 No.86331

>>86249

Because they convinced the overwhelming majority of people that they have the moral right to do it. First it was the divine right of kings, then it gradually became "because this is the way we've always done it". Walmart or McDonald's don't have the same sort of legitimacy in the eyes of the general public.


 No.86353

>>86331

I think what you mean is they outcompeted every alternative system in the free market of physical reality.


 No.86362

>>86353

That's no reason to just give up.


 No.86368

>>86362

THE MARKET HAS DECIDED


 No.86369

>>86368

>things that never happened


 No.86374

>>86369

It did happen. Thats why we live in a statist hell hole right now. Statism won in the free market. We live in AnCap right now.


 No.86376

File: 66c056061596261⋯.png (1.31 MB, 1079x1421, 1079:1421, 40 cakes.png)

>>86374

>statism won in the free market

Communism "won" in the USSR because it happened to get popular at one point. Therefore the USSR was ancap, therefore the regime didn't actually murder tens of millions of people because it was Ancap and they agreed to the system.


 No.86389

>>86376

I suppose you think "IT WAS NOT REAL COMMUNISM" is a valid defense of the USSR then? I for one am happy to acknowledge that we live in real ancap right now.


 No.86390

>>86376

>murder cannot exist in ancap society

lol




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