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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

File: d7541da27870e34⋯.jpg (55.07 KB, 540x720, 3:4, global warming conspiracy ….jpg)

 No.73650

>According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming.

>This sharp contrast between the large majority of meteorologists who believe global warming is happening and the modest minority who are nevertheless very worried about it is consistent with other scientist surveys. This contrast exposes global warming alarmists who assert that 97% of the world’s scientists agree humans are causing a global warming crisis simply because these scientists believe global warming is occurring. However, as this and other scientist surveys show, believing that some warming is occurring is not the same as believing humans are causing a worrisome crisis.

>Other questions solidified the meteorologists’ skepticism about humans creating a global warming crisis. For example, among those meteorologists who believe global warming is happening, only a modest majority (59%) believe humans are the primary cause. More importantly, only 38% of respondents who believe global warming is occurring say it will be very harmful during the next 100 years.

>Overall, the survey of AMS scientists paints a very different picture than the official AMS Information Statement on Climate Change. Drafted by the AMS bureaucracy, the Information Statement leaves readers with the impression that AMS meteorologists have few doubts about humans creating a global warming crisis. The Information Statement indicates quite strongly that humans are the primary driver of global temperatures and the consequences are and will continue to be quite severe. Compare the bureaucracy’s Information Statement with the survey results of the AMS scientists themselves.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/03/14/shock-poll-meteorologists-are-global-warming-skeptics/#217c6f1373be

Further reading:

>'97% Of Climate Scientists Agree' Is 100% Wrong

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#34bbe4b73f9f

>Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/#5f0c02224c7c

Funny. About a hundred years ago, the hope of the socialists was that central economic planning would create a far more productive society. Look at the claims of the socialists of that era, the visions of unprecedented wealth that they had. These hopes were extinguished when the USSR and all the other red governments failed to deliver on their promises. Now the cry of the interventionists, many of whom no doubt would've been socialists some decades ago, is again for meddling with the market, because it is… too productive?

Pic related is some propaganda I had handy. Notice how the interest of governments in using climate change as a pretext for controlling the economy and the population is conveniently omitted, while the myth that 90% of all scientists believe in manmade climate change is perpetuated.

 No.73651

>To bribe anyone that they can

>Only two scientists pictured, which means in turn that they believe only 4-5% of scientists take the bribes

HOLY LEL


 No.73657

>>73650

They feel they're not polluting enough.


 No.73659

Personally I never was very swayed by the doom and gloom of the catastrophe of if the earth was to get a few degrees warmer. I don't quite get why a few degrees would be so terribly disastrous. It seems that any land made uninhabitable by temperature changes would open up other areas to human habitation otherwise uninhibited because of extreme cold.

It's entirely besides the point, though, since it's just another way to legitimize increased government intervention. It doesn't matter how many scientists agree about the causes or implications, even if a minority think that it imperils the earth then the government will amplify this concern.

>Now the cry of the interventionists, many of whom no doubt would've been socialists some decades ago, is again for meddling with the market, because it is… too productive?

Even in the democratic 'capitalist' countries the government intervened during the industrial revolution to give factories the ability to violate property rights to pollute at the expense of local land owners, because of the idea that factories were more important than the property of others which was blighted by soot and water pollution. Now the pendulum has swung back and the government wants to intervene to control these same businesses.


 No.73661

>>73659

The problem lies within how costly a hypothetical rising of the sea level would be. A ridiculous amount of money has been invested in coastal/low-altitude areas, due to their access to the sea. If all the ice caps melted, Florida would be pretty much entirely submerged, as well as a number of currently-existing urban areas, and most, if not all of the Netherlands, as a few examples. The problem isn't as much "can humans adapt to a different climate", because they fucking could, or even "could the Earth adapt", because it has for countless millenia, but the effect on landmass and human movement that it would likely cause. These problems will inevitably manifest at some point, but people are trying to push it back as much as they possibly can.

I'm still opposed to climate change legislation on principle, mind you.


 No.73667

>>73650

>im-fucking-plying there is anything organic about enviroment groups and community activists regional or not

>implying nearly all of these groups aren't bankrolled by a small, affluent donor class

>implying said donor class hasn't forced radical political realigments before (cf. the Sierra Club and immigration)

7/10 made me reply

>>73661

Even the IPCC reports, which are hardly oil company propaganda, positedsomething like 1ft sea level increase as "likely" over the next century. Which would be migitable for most civilised countries.


 No.73668

>>73667

OP here, I do not stand behind that pic at all, just couldn't post without one.


 No.73669

File: 8b94b2bcd54dc1b⋯.jpg (62.96 KB, 960x706, 480:353, 8b94b2bcd54dc1b89587b58e07….jpg)

File: 2c8cad06f6f7452⋯.jpg (119.57 KB, 456x337, 456:337, 1496598714326.jpg)

>>73650

>oil companies

>implying there earth isn't always changing

>not mentioning deforestation, fast food industry, nuclear plants leaks and Monsanto

>>73651

This.


 No.73670

>>73669

+ Im freezing.


 No.73673

>>73650

What all these climate change (((scientists))) always fail to mention is that for the past 12000 years we were living in an inter-glacial period, inter-glacials usually last 12000 years before a sudden drop in temperature for a 100000 year long ice age.

The earth is going to get really REALLY cold soon, not warm, THAT is what we should be preparing for.


 No.73677

>>73650

>Earth's atmosphere is currently ~400ppm

>Earth's average temperature is currently ~14.2C

>'climate scientists' believe that the earth is due to a runnaway greenhouse effect if CO2 levels keep rising

>during the Cambrian period the atmospheric CO2 levels were over 7000ppm and the average temperature is thought to be over 22C

>no runaway greenhouse effect even though the conditions were an order of magnitude worse


 No.73678

>>73677

>Earth's atmosphere is currently ~400ppm CO2

Forgot to add the CO2 on the end


 No.73679

>Funny. About a hundred years ago, the hope of the socialists was that central economic planning would create a far more productive society. Look at the claims of the socialists of that era, the visions of unprecedented wealth that they had. These hopes were extinguished when the USSR and all the other red governments failed to deliver on their promises. Now the cry of the interventionists, many of whom no doubt would've been socialists some decades ago, is again for meddling with the market, because it is… too productive?

You do realise the USSR went around covering up evidence of AGW and other climatological issues in the state because it disagreed with the party line. but yeah sure AGW is a conspiracy made up by ebul gosicalists to take over the world…


 No.73680

File: 2252245418b6fe5⋯.gif (19.05 KB, 460x287, 460:287, TempChart.gif)

>>73677

>>73678

>Comparing the modern day to the Cambrian

Yes the climatology of a world where plants didn't even exist yet is perfectly logical to one where we have entire swaths of the world with insular rain patterns caused by vegetation.

>>73673

You do realise that the ice ages temperature changes take course over centuries, not the decades we are currently witnessing. Regardless, it is quite possible we were already starting the decent into a new ice age during the "little ice age epoch", which just happened to end about 5 decades or so after the beginning of mass industrial civilisation.

>I don't quite get why a few degrees would be so terribly disastrous

because those degrees are measured in AVERAGE temperature, around the whole world. The "couple of degree changes" will be at the equator, however the variations are the poles will be far more drastic: due to the nature of the massive seasonal variation. You see those couple of degrees become colossal swing. Now someone will be a memer and point out "well in this year, there was MORE ice, haha btfo" this is hardly a linear process, there will be year on year variation but the trend is pretty bloody clear. The real issue is that a rise of say two meters: predicted for every rise in degree above the pre industrial level for a sustained time, Such a rise of that much would see Amsterdam gone, just gone. Even with one meter much of the Netherlands is still gone. Even if the models are horrifically wrong, a 1m with the current rate of melting at the poles that is envisaged by the end of the century, if not way sooner. So yeah, a swing of a couple degrees is a big deal, remember the ice age was on average -3 degrees cooler than today…


 No.73681

>>73679

Which fits into what I said. The socialist support for environmentalism is just as principled as its opposition to imperialism: Not at all. Remember when the liberals couldn't shut up about Vietnam, but were silent on the imperialism of the USSR? Or when they switched from an isolationist stance under Bush to an interventionist one under Obama? It's the same with environmentalism. The USSR opposed it because that was convenient. The American socialists (and now interventionists) support it, because that's also convenient. If they had to fulfill production quotas, they'd probably forget within two months how harmful carbon dioxide is supposed to be.

Besides, socialism is not a monolithic bloc, and neither the USSR nor the Marxists ever had a monopoly on it.


 No.73682

>>73681

Wait wait, socialists became interventionists under Obama? U wot?

Also this does not actually constitute an argument against AGW, just some meme tier shit about "muh leftists".


 No.73684

wow brr it's cold outside bro

I thought global warming made stuff warm not cold

frickin' idiots psh tch wow pfff


 No.73685

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>73684

THIS IS THE FUTURE LEFTISTS WANT.


 No.73686

>>73682

>Wait wait, socialists became interventionists under Obama? U wot?

I said liberals became interventionists. I thought it was clear from the context that I meant foreign interventionism, not economic interventionism.

>Also this does not actually constitute an argument against AGW, just some meme tier shit about "muh leftists".

It wasn't meant to be a conclusive argument against it, it was a counterargument to your argument. Please, think along.

To repeat myself, because apparently, that's necessary: That the USSR didn't have an environmentalist agenda doesn't prove anything. My entire point was that every generation of anti-capitalists finds a new rationale for opposing the market.


 No.73687

>>73680

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-case-against-the-hockey-stick

>Of course, there is other evidence for global warming, but none of it proves that the recent warming is unprecedented. Indeed, quite the reverse: surface temperatures, sea levels, tree lines, glacier retreats, summer sea ice extent in the Arctic, early spring flowers, bird migration, droughts, floods, storms—they all show change that is no different in speed or magnitude from other periods, like 1910-1940, at least as far as can be measured. There may be something unprecedented going on in temperature, but the only piece of empirical evidence that actually says so—yes, the only one—is the hockey stick.

>A retired mining entrepreneur with a mathematical bent, McIntyre asked the senior author of the hockey stick graph, Michael Mann, for the data and the programs in 2003, so he could check it himself. This was five years after the graph had been published, but Mann had never been asked for them before. McIntyre quickly found errors: mislocated series, infilled gaps, truncated records, old data extrapolated forwards where new was available, and so on.

>Not all the data showed a 20th century uptick either. In fact just 20 series out of 159 did, and these were nearly all based on tree rings. In some cases, the same tree ring sets had been used in different series. In the end the entire graph got its shape from a few bristlecone and foxtail pines in the western United States; a messy tree-ring data set from the Gaspé Peninsula in Canada; another Canadian set that had been truncated 17 years too early called, splendidly, Twisted Tree Heartrot Hill; and a superseded series from Siberian larch trees. There were problems with all these series: for example, the bristlecone pines were probably growing faster in the 20th century because of more carbon dioxide in the air, or recovery after “strip bark” damage, not because of temperature change.

>This was bad enough; worse was to come. Mann soon stopped cooperating, yet, after a long struggle, McIntyre found out enough about Mann’s programs to work out what he had done. The result was shocking. He had standardised the data by “short-centering” them—essentially subtracting them from a 20th century average rather than an average of the whole period. This meant that the principal component analysis “mined” the data for anything with a 20th century uptick, and gave it vastly more weight than data indicating, say, a medieval warm spell.


 No.73689

>>73687

Matt Ridley, why do I know that name…

>He was manager of Northern Rock until 2007

Holy fucking shit, the man who sank a 150 year old bank.

Regardless, the initial assessment has been refined over the years, with the IPCC stating:

>"The weight of current multi-proxy evidence, therefore, suggests greater 20th-century warmth, in comparison with temperature levels of the previous 400 years, than was shown in the TAR*. On the evidence of the previous and four new reconstructions that reach back more than 1 kyr, it is likely that the 20th century was the warmest in at least the past 1.3 kyr."

*Third assessment report.

You can pick apart one graph for specific inaccuracies all you like, but time and time again the scientific community has shown AGW does real.


 No.73694

>>73689

>Matt Ridley, why do I know that name…

>He was manager of Northern Rock until 2007

>Holy fucking shit, the man who sank a 150 year old bank.

???

I mean, that's not just an obvious ad hominem, it's also completely unrelated to anything at all. It's on the level of saying that he has bad body odor.

>You can pick apart one graph for specific inaccuracies all you like, but time and time again the scientific community has shown AGW does real.

Not unanimously. About 60% seem to believe that AGW is real, 40% believe that it's a big problem. At that level of consensus, we don't have a consensus at all, we have a controversy.

Don't have time to pick apart the IPCC report. Might do it later. It's not that easy when your honor prevents you from just pointing out a climate scientist who was an adulterer or a bank robber.


 No.73695

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>no one has heard about the NIPCC


 No.73700

>>73680

>Amsterdam gone, just gone

And nothing of value was lost


 No.73714

>>73680

>Even with one meter much of the Netherlands is still gone

Is it really so hard or expensive to build a wall around the Netherlands? That's what they were pretty much doing for all of history, how will global warming change anything besides having to throw a few more million dollars into the ocean?


 No.73715

File: 4fd7e84581253d1⋯.png (59.85 KB, 621x702, 23:26, 319.png)

>>73714

>Is it really so hard or expensive to build a wall around the Netherlands?


 No.73722

File: ad6086bcc58e0b3⋯.jpg (9.05 KB, 203x153, 203:153, th (15).jpg)


 No.73724

>>73715

Yes, what? You can't even build a fucking wall?


 No.73753

I believe that the most pressing issue is the interruption of the thermohaline circulation from deglaciation.




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