/liberty/ - Liberty

>>71479

We are at least 50+ years off from that. Right now we are the ones building and spreading these ideas, which most likely won't see fruit within our generation. States are too strong and the population is too divided politically at this moment. However, we are moving forward slowly but surely.

Well there is the momentum of like 5,000 years of Etatism and I don't think you can smash it in just a few decades. We came the closest in the 19th century but the Statists have been doing their best to bring it back, we just need to keep championing anarchism and maybe one day we can blunt the momentum.

>>71495

>support nationalism

for what purpose?

>>71501

Can't you read? Encourage people to reject hegemons and super-national organizations like the EU. I don't mean "it's okay when my country rules the entire continent" nationalism, I mean respecting a nation's right to self-determination. It's just a bigger and easier form of localism - you work your way down to smaller and smaller regions.

>>71479

Because economic life is made dependent completely on state intervention, this goes from international finance to the gibsmedat Shaniqua recieves. If you were to abolish the state, the economic base would be insufficient to provide for the common good, at least for a while. If you really want your AnCapistan you would need the UBI for a transitional period - some libertarian thinkers have already expressed sympathies for it.

>>71484

>Well there is the momentum of like 5,000 years of Etatism

Please. The modern state is a product of the 19th century, based on ideas of enlightenment. "State" in its modern context is also a recent etymological development, the Romans called their "state" res publica (the public issue).

>>71479

Because the world won't change in one short lifetime and it hasn't. Any great shifts in culture have taken at least a few centuries to happen.

"This ideal, I believe, will be realized in the world twenty or thirty centuries after I have… taken up my public duties in Hell." - Menchken

>>71507

that is never how nationalism plays out, it always leads to expansionist policy. The US is where its at today because of nationalism.

>>71526

Whether this results in socialism idk, obviously it's the trendy solution but the failures are so in your face that I doubt it's coming any time soon.

Reality is pretty hardcore ancap. Underneath every attempt by the state to redefine economic reality is economic reality's tendency to reassert itself. Success in the long run demands a keen understanding of economic reality. The state serves the economy or else. Even the largest state must be productive in a real sense - or else!

It's great. Real productivity is human productivity. It goes towards human ends. We live, and the world gets better. Capitalism is progress towards a world with wealth enough for all! Ancapism is just the additional attempt to seek an efficient metastability. An economy that runs itself is more cost-effective than an economy requiring tremendous planning labor. The self-operating economy also teaches good lessons to the public. It rewards better patterns with less favoritism than the violently planned capitalism which is the alternative.

>>71509

States are as old as civilization fyi

>>71559

Not the modern state, that came into existence during the 18th century.

>>71563

Yeah thats true

>>71479

the universe has its laws of physics and it very much looks like your fantasies are not a factor

>>71520

and you know this how?

>>71479

>what went wrong

>why won't the world work the way I want it to work?

1. Because a large portion of the world doesn't support libertarianism

2. Because libertarians are unpragmatic pussies who won't mass murder left-wing politicians

>>71519

>>71526

>falling rate of profit

when will this meme end?

>>72082

>>72084

I'm not going to watch that but based on the intro they are not denying that there's a tendency of the rate of profit to fall, they just question the implications of it.

>>72085

So basically you rather keep pushing the meme instead of potentially learning something. Wew.

>>72082

>I redefined capital again, guys

>>71509

>commie flag

i thought commies had that… what's it called…. uh… historical materialism eh? :thinking:

>>72462

I don't know if they still subscribe to linear history. Hasn't been going pretty well.