/liberty/ - Liberty

>>67141

You must not know many people. Try getting out more.

>>67144

I stopped running into libertarians after I gave up collecting Warhammer figures.

>>67144

But since your argument boils down to "you just haven't met all the good libertarians," do you reject ethno-nationalism? Are you willing to call it out when it manifests itself among those claiming to be libertarian?

>>67146

Nationalism is a statist concept. And racism/race realism is every man's choice.

>>67149

Concept of "nations" != countries/governments

Patriotism is the statist concept you're thinking of. "Race realism" is just another word for nationalism.

But it sounds like you're defending it, whatever you want to call it.

>>67150

I am defending freedom. A yone is free to think anything they want about the other races. If they're right, they'll profit, and if they're wrong, they be outcompeted.

>>67151

You're confusing endorsing censorship with voicing one's personal disapproval. If you were at an ostensibly libertarian gathering and somebody started advocating Marxism, you'd probably tell them why you disagree with them. You wouldn't accept that some libertarians just happen to be Marxists and that's that.

So your passivity on "race realist" libertarians suggests that you do believe libertarianism and racism are compatible.

Nobody wants to ask so I'll do it for them

Why the commie flag?

>>67141

>Nationalist: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all >others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

>Nation: noun: nation; plural noun: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory

Nationalism and Libertarianism are not mutually exclusive. I'm a Libertarian but I think a collective identity of one's nation and race is a good and healthy thing. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to hate or want to persecute other races or nations.

No wonder that right-thinking people these days are increasingly nationalist when the alternative is supernational authoritarian bodies like the EU who want to control the whole world. Libertarians want to decentralise power all the way down to the individual, but until we get to that, smaller governing bodies, like countries, counties, or states, are preferable to supernational conglomerates.

And the mainstream these days are promoting a radical form of anti-white ideology. No wonder we have people becoming ethno-nationalist in response to this.

>>67153

I'm a communist.

>>67154

I mean yeah, this is what most libertarians believe and I understand that.

But when confronted about it in public, you say "race and identity are collectivist; libertarianism doesn't see color!"

Why not just bite the bullet and admit you're just fascists in incubation?

>>67156

That is such a contrived thing to say I have a hard time believing someone has said that. "Libertarianism" is not a self-aware entity, it's a political philosophy that advocates against the use of coercive force. It's diametrically opposed to other political systems like fascism and communism because they are based on coercion and political authoritarianism. However a Libertarian system can include elements of other political systems such as the aforementioned so long as they function on a voluntary basis and not on a coercive authoritarian basis. For example, there could be voluntary wealth redistribution, or property owners could form a community that discriminates against persons of a certain race or nationality. If any Libertarian says "race and identity are collectivist" they are idiots and they fail to distinguish from political collectivism and the type of collective identity of belonging to a group such as a family, religion, race and nation, which is a natural part of human life. Watch this video for more information on the subject.

>>67141

There's still oldfags left who are libertarians. Like, sixty year olds who know who Karl Hess is and read everything Mises has ever written. They don't tend to shitpost on the chans or on YouTube, though.

>>67146

>do you reject ethno-nationalism?

Of course.

>Are you willing to call it out when it manifests itself among those claiming to be libertarian?

Yes. Remember that jackass that started the thread for his National Libertarian Manifesto crap?

>>67161

What do you think of what

>>67154

>>67157

says?

>>67152

They are compatible. You can hate black people and still believe in non-aggression

>>67156

Libertarianism doesn't see colour, but libertarian people are allowed to see colour as much as they want. It's called being free to do what you want to do

I think the idea was that NAP was stepped upon when the establishment cheated Ron Paul out of the presidential race. What you're seeing is the mobilization of these people getting ready to bite. I don't think they're actually as ethnocentric as they puff themselves to be, some stupid meetup proved /pol/ is more non white than white.

>>67141

I actually voted for him in 2012 (write in). I am not an ethno-nationalist or brownshirt. Niether of those labels aline with NAP. I'm not well read on Ethno-nationalism, but if it calls for a single race nation maintained by force then it is breaking the NAP. If I had to label myself I guess I would be considered a Constitutional Minarchist.

Plus, how does Ron Paul supporter atomatically equate to Libertarian? I know two guys from my high school that loved Ron Paul but are now full blown ANTIFA (they haven't larped yet, but plan on it).

Actual Libertarians are rare to find from my experience, but when I fine one they are usually the real deal and don't fuck around with (racial/class) identity politics.

>>67141

Can't help you much with that. Read the comment section of any Liberty Report and you'll see mostly "muh Jews" and "muh CIA niggers". Ron attracts more Republicans and Conservatives than any other group.

I was a NeoCon when I began reading his books and listening to his speeches. Not everyone has to turn out an Alt Righter.

>Are you willing to call it out when it manifests itself among those claiming to be libertarian?

I call it out every damn time and it turns out I'm minority within a minority.

The nerds that think learning Economics is the most fun you can have and dream of moving to a private city aren't exactly the kind of people that would also shitpost on image boards, or You Tube either.

>>67156

I was a Fascist in incubation BEFORE Libertarianism. Whatever generalization you're going for I don't fit.

>>67155

Why would you call yourself a retard?

>>67186

>Almost all fatties

Not surprised, really.

>>67211

I'm not confusing anything. I literally gave dictionary definitions so there wouldn't be any confusion about the definitions.

>>67203

Didn't the guy on the left also say 'capitalism is what gives you the power to be racist' or something? Maybe a different quote

>>67240

capitalism is also what gives you power to not be racist.

He also admired Hitler.

>>67181

>Ron Paul fans

>now antifa

Never expected that.

>>67254

I'm pretty sure all they cared about was the "legal weed" and no war/little foreign intervention positions he held. Also very much anti-establishment types. I think they were really hard left libertarians who got corrupted by Bernie-ism.

>>67156

>seeing color

That's how I can tell that you're racist in denial.

>>67516

Basically they never had any principles in the first place, they were just primed to follow any political candidate that seemed "hip" or "anti-establishment".

>>67154

A geographically big non-authoritarian governing body is preferable to a geographically small authoritarian governing body though.

Any governing body that's less authoritarian is preferable to any that's more authoritarian.

And if the non-authoritarian governing body is geographically big, even better, because then even more people will live in liberty.

And if there are authoritarian governing bodies all over the world, it doesn't even matter how big they are each geographically.

And if there are some authoritarian governing bodies and some non-authoritarian ones, it still doesn't help the people of the authoritarian ones if the non-authoritarian ones won't let them in, the authoritarian ones won't let them out, the people of the authoritarian ones don't want to move away from their home, or they can't afford moving out of their authoritarian home country because of poverty caused by authoritarianism.