/liberty/ - Liberty

Depends, I will go slightly off topic but, the key difference between left and right libertarians, is noticing the main problem in achieving liberty.

The right wants to solely limit the state by any means necessary. Make it as small as possible.

The left believes that the state is a threat, but not nearly as much as private enterprise. This instead of limiting the state, collectivize and split its function.

Industry would be collectivized too.

So it depends on how do you want to achieve your goals. Right wing libs will lover taxes and increase individual autonomy and weaken the state, lefties would increase collective autonomy. Lobbying for local autonomy doesn't reduce the state, what it does is simple, it decentralizes it.

>>65362

>>65362

Sounds like you need you some distributionism.

This could probably done through lowering taxes in a sense, if companies were given an incentive to buy capital for their employees, like they get twice the deduction if they buy capital goods worth less than 20K in the name of an employee.

>Abolishing the State completely is impossible.

why?

>>65356

>Abolishing the State completely is impossible.

Erasing the state in it's entire territory may be very difficult, but separatism in a city level is possible, and so is a stateless society. The trick is to do it as many times as needed/wanted.

>>65356

>first pic

I am libertarian because I believe humans are inherently terrible though, it's why I don't want to be ruled over by other humans in anything other than voluntary transactions. Humans today are the same as humans 10,000 years ago, the only thing different is the technological advancements.

>>66132

wtf

>>66160

>>66189

The problem is that it creates a power vacuum where someone else can just waltz in and create a new state. What we need is a state that's designed to protect individual liberty and be resistant to cooption by authoritarians.

>>66256

>What we need is a state that's designed to protect individual liberty and be resistant to cooption by authoritarians.

That's exactly what the founding fathers did when creating the U.S.

Sadly, all those principles are gone thanks to cultural marxism, postmodernism and the rise of identity/tribal politics.

>>66256

>muh power vacuum

Agorists promote private parallel institutions so that the abolition of government is a continuous process with no breakdown in institutions. This prevents a total collapse of order, which always results in a new government restoring said order.

There is also the idea that you can create your community from scratch with people that respect their liberty. This type of society will not suffer a breakdown of this sort.

>>66267

It was doomed from the start. Burr should have shot Hamilton long before he did.

nobility and virtuosity are a spook

>>66279

Not an argument.

>>66256

>power vacuum

religious leaders can fill it

>>66275

>development of parallel institutions

Sounds like something a government could help with if it were ideologically willing to consider its own withering.

>>66189

define a state

>>66139

What do you mean by that?

>>66139

>if companies were given an incentive to buy capital for their employees,

why cant employees but stuff themselves?

>>66060

Decentralizing the State is a great step towards reducing it imo; it's much easier to scale back decentralized power than the power of a government spread across 3.8 million square miles.

>>66132

nazpol posting pisses off commies so much, i fucking love it

>>69225

nazpol or nazbol?

>>69321

>stealing memes from right

Every time.

>>69327

I will never get posts like these. Is this a joke, like "trading" "rare" pepes? Do you not understand what a meme is? How the fuck could you steal one?

>>69330

I think "apeing" might be a better term. Basically, you're playing second fiddle to /pol/ by using memes they created.

>>69331

Memes are literally the cultural unit of "apeing." By definition, that's what they mean.

>>69321

>Only 20.000.000 people removed form the genetic pool each year when its clear that braindead people exist will still exist in fucking huge mounds in that slow rate

Fucking capitalism

>>69341

They have to begin somewhere. It's telling that /lefttpol/ has almost no original memes.

>>69364

Literally all the famous "/pol/ memes" are from other boards.

>>69367

"It's happening" and Ben Garrison originated on /pol/, happy merchant and A Wyatt Mann originated on /n/ and /new/, which essentially had the same userbase as early /pol/, which spawned permutations thereafter that were co-opted by /leftypol/. A lot of people misattribute happy merchant to /int/, but there was a lot of parallel development. I think it's fine for /leftypol/ to use stuff like Pepe and Spurdo in principle, but they always use it in the same sort of fashion as /pol/, /int/, or /r9k/. It's not like how /tv/ changed Pepe and made him distinct.

>>69376

This also ignores how /leftypol/ tends to butcher the humor and simplicity in memes.

>>69330

>rigid definitions

fuck you