/liberty/ - Liberty

Private property.

>>64984

so basically the property demarcations of the outermost house on the outermost suburb of a city for example?

could another nation's border begin behind my backyard's wooden fence?

>>64984

how would it be known that some random unused no man's land field, forest or mountain is inside mine or someone's else community or nation borders?

>>64986

>not inside anothers national borders

it's within my borders because I built a house inside out I have also laid claim to the entirety of Jupiter :^)

>>64984 beat me to it

>>64983

You know, borders weren't always seen the way they are now. Culture and personal allegiances were at least as important as nation borders. In fact, the modern nation state hasn't existed before the French Revolution. Our vision of Ancapistan is not the US within its current borders but without a government, it's something else. You could have a soft transition from a fullblown rothbardian ancapist territory to one with a small state, and clear edges only along natural borders (like mountains, but emphatically not rivers) and artificial borders created by the remaining nationstates.

The notion of a voluntary nation border, then, is not realistic. It would be more like some territories and areas keeping foreigners out and others accepting them. Someone from, say, Syria could probably go to a free trade area but not a residential area, and to another residential area only after being invited, and so on.

>>64985

I get the sense that the terms "nation" and "city" would be considered less precise; kind of like how there is no official border for a "neighborhood" now. A given area might be considered part of one city for the purposes of navigation, but it would probably have no significance beyond that.

>>64983

>How would private borders for communities/covens/societies/nations work in Anarcho-Capitalism?

Most would probably have gated communities. I can go into it later, but this post does it justice

>>65046

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>>65068

That could be extrapolated to a government saying "oh there's no country there just private individuals in no man's land" and attempting to claim large parts of ancapistan for themselves, at which point the borders become pretty clearly defined as "the largest area I am able to keep people out of with my rifle"

>>64985

Unless you have private security of some sort constantly monitoring everything, you aren't gonna have a whole city designated the way you're thinking (and doing so would be expensive).

As I mentioned with fences, the two ways you'd see a discriminatory body in effect (because really that's what we're talking about here unless you're asking us to define private property) would be either checkpoints that would turn you away such as a gate/something of a similar contextual basis, or a HomeOwners Association/mutually agreed to contract stating you can't house X or do Y if you choose to rent/buy property in that town. Such an institution could safely be ignored if it wasn't backed by the businesses in town and the other people living in said town, and would have to either be created prior to most people moving into the community, or as a result of a mutually agreed upon binding contract among the homeowners in which those who didn't sign the contract wouldn't be coerced into participating. The most negative consequence of this would obviously be something akin to "ethnic slums" though I don't think that's as bad of a word as it's made out to be in the context of a voluntary society.

>>65068

You'd likely get something akin to the Cospaian Elder Council, Icelandic Goddard, Somali Xeer, Colonial-years Pennsylvanian township, etc. E.G. The government doesn't exist except on paper, or if it does exist, it has no actual power in practice. Something that can make a press release to the media but doesn't have the power to really do anything that people haven't explicitly agreed to.

That or it might come down to a series of legal battles within the state itself. The state would likely not want to start a full-blown conflict since those tend to be counterproductive with the advent of the modern firearm (and fully automatic firearms would be far cheaper in AnCapistan since the only thing keeping gun prices high/stopping anyone from owning a full auto rifle now is the ATF in 'Murica 3-burst is best burst though.). So with that in mind, it would probably go to a legal court inside the state's system in which a few scenarios could happen:

The State could relinquish their claim or have the judge relinquish the state's claim over it, setting a precedent.

The State could insist on their claim until violence broke out at which point they'd be fighting a propaganda war since they technically invaded.

The State could sign a deal with the landowner to fork over the property for monetary compensation or something to a similar effect, driving up the value of the rest of AnCapistani lands still left/preventing further encroachment (since the lack of regulations would mean the AnCapistanis would be worth more than FiatDollar #XYZ).

In all cases of compromise (assuming the home owner didn't just whip out their raifu and tell the state to fuck off), you end up reaching a point of equilibrium where the state lacks an incentive to push further for more land as they'll be met with greater resistance. Simply put the state has to be stupider than normal to do so.

>>65092

Ah, as I should have stated before, there are legal precedents for these sort of things in the past where a conflicting interest of the state (such as a court) has ruled against the state's strongarm legislature, such as initially with Social Security and Minimum Wage before the state bribed the fuck out of everyone/got bloody violent to prevent these sorts of reactions from judges.