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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

File: 1d1840bf4808590⋯.png (1.05 MB, 1080x1080, 1:1, fuck yall commie niggas.png)

 No.62067

Do you support it? To what extent? What kinds of people would you remove?

 No.62069

>>62067

Just our /leftypol/ guests that have been shitting up this board for the last week and a half.


 No.62112

>>62071

Would be great if someone stopped inviting them/going there to shitpost.


 No.62227

File: 192d8caacf6ca98⋯.jpg (105.35 KB, 345x385, 69:77, isn't joke.jpg)

>tfw lurker who had a genuine question but everyone thinks im a /leftypol/ shill


 No.62228

are you talking about "git off muh property" or offering people free helicopter rides?


 No.62231

File: 0dee7519f316b73⋯.png (176.45 KB, 1152x596, 288:149, faggot.png)

>>62135

I notice some shitposting from time to time with our flags. I haven't seen anyone that retarded post here though. It's either a /pol/ack looking to stir shit up or /letypol/ larping. No /liberty/ poster would start a "prove me wrong" thread here.


 No.62454

to the extent of the removers property is the extent I will accept it, get the fuck off my lawn


 No.62472

Anti-pedos. They are literally the most autistic bunch on this board right now. If there's anyone lowering the credibility and perceived iq of this board's regulars, it's them.


 No.62477

>>62475

Going to shit up another thread, you self hating chen fag?


 No.62554

>>62509

I hope you do it, you pedo cuck.

You fawned over chen like a hardcore weeb fetishist and now you want to take it back?

Too late pal, go waste another week spamming self hating posts, knowing full well that pedo acceptance will always be the symbol of true /liberty/.


 No.62562

>>62472

>Can't win

>Goes shit up other threads

End yourself libertine


 No.62605

>>62556

>wanked himself good to dozens of chen vids

>claims he's not a chenfag

You're only hurting yourself, there is no hope for you if you won't embrace your fetishes. Spend another few hours artificially inflating the post count by replying to every post that bothers your bumhole.

>>62562

>shitpost a thread to bump limit with the help of a few autists after being unable to discredit even one argument supporting pedophilia

>call it "winning"

/leftypol/ is really fucking this place up from all sides this week


 No.62618

>>62612

I agree, you're a real fucktard. I swear to god this shitty revolutionary is literally worse than what happened to the pedo threads.


 No.62622

>>62619

Fuck off


 No.62628

>>62619

>>62625

>everyone is /leftypol/ now

You're a failed person, chenfag. We get it.


 No.62634

>>62228

Nice try /leftypol/.


 No.62639

>>62630

So you're siding with /leftypol/? I mean, only someone retarded could be anti pedo in one thread and then support pedo rights in the next. Well, at least you're owning up to your mental disabilities.


 No.62656

File: 81a49dc7c41bb05⋯.png (165.34 KB, 269x343, 269:343, 81a49dc7c41bb05df5511154c7….png)

I'd physically remove everyone who can't resist taking the bait every time.


 No.62688

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>>62067

I'd massacre all of the pedophiles and burn them in the largest bonfire to ever take place in Earth's history. Then I would go and have sex with my wife, who is an adult.


 No.62693

>>62688

>/leftypol/ bumps up a shitty thread

Kill yourself commie scum


 No.62723

The only sort I can consider "removing" are people who are knowingly and willfully attempting to subvert the human rights and freedoms of others, or willfully and knowingly attempting to harm innocent lives.


 No.62828

Kill everyone who thinks the age of consent should be higher than 15. Everything else will sort itself out if we just do that.


 No.62862

>>62828

>not white ancap sharia


 No.62938

>>62723

Finally someone agrees with me that the Jews should be eliminated


 No.63004

>>62938

/pol/->


 No.63059

File: b603b0b553d4240⋯.jpg (5.28 KB, 167x169, 167:169, download.jpg)

>>62067

For Antifa, all the way. For typical leftists, I think there's a slippery slope with free speech.


 No.63085

>>62938

Back to /x/ or /pol/ you paranoid schizophrenic.


 No.63090

>Do you support it

Are they infringing on my rights or property? If they aren't there's no reason to remove them


 No.63091

>>62938

>no-flag agrees with no-flag

>no UIDs

I'm calling obvious samefag


 No.63165

People who want to take my property rights away, criminals and muslims. But I'm repeating myself.


 No.63168

>>63165

What about "moderate" aka non-practicing Muslims?

The cultural Muslims that don't really do what the Quran says and claim they are peaceful.


 No.63169

>>63168

I guess if all the ones that were trying to enforce sharia law and mandate their religious shit on everyone else were dead then it would be ok, as long as they don't have a call to prayer on their mosque, I don't want to hear that shit.


 No.63202

>>63198

There are. I've met them myself. Do you honestly think every muslim is a sleeper agent? Certainly not the kid called Murat who learned to speak at five.


 No.63264

>>63202

if they are non-practicing are they really a muslim? if I call myself a racecar driver but I dont rive racecars am I a racecar driver?


 No.63267

>>62067

I would remove all americans from the planet. When i say all, it's all…they're the fucking same blob promoting consuemrism and mental retardation from hollywood, mouth watering over world domination. Wipe them all out, they're cancer.

t. true european leftist.


 No.63272

>>63264

Then we have to conclude that there's nothing wrong with many "muslims", and then the debate loses a lot (not all) of its punch.


 No.63274

>>63272

im not the same guy you were debating so…

I agree that there is not much wrong with "muslims" as there are with muslims, but there is at least one thing wrong about them and its that they are a liar


 No.63275

>>63267

>from Hollywood

it sounds like you have a target in mind, im not sure americans are you true goal there bud


 No.63721


 No.63811

Atheists and stupid evolution believers.


 No.63816

>>63267

Even the ones from some far flung American territory like Guam or Puerto Rico?


 No.63881

>>62067

The weak.

Weakness is the greatest sin. Strength is the greatest objective virtue. The point of life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women. Freedom aint free. Those who cant earn it, dont deserve it either.


 No.63892

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 No.70213

>>62067

>Do you support it?

Yes.

>To what extent?

Preferably non-lethal removal, but equal to what damages have been done.

>What kinds of people would you remove?

Socialists and criminals (can't really tell the difference).


 No.70238

>>63892

Insulted by facts?

HERE'S THE STATE OF EVOLUTION TODAY: "Evolutionary theory itself is already in a state of flux… all the central assumptions of the Modern Synthesis (often also called Neo-Darwinism) have been disproven" - Professor Denis Noble, Evolutionist, Physiologist and Biologist, May 2013

1. Abiogenesis. They have given up on it and now say it's not part of evolution theory.

2. They are now admitting that they have no explanation for diversity. So now it's not evolution either.

3. They have given up on the fossil record since it looks like creation. So now they say they don't need the fossils.

4. Gould and associates say there is no gradualism (no transitionals). Stasis is the underlying factor in the fossils so it's not evolution either.

5. Random mutations and natural selection produce nothing so that's out too and they are rejecting it as evolution.

6. All they have left is the common ancestor monkey. The inability for "kinds" to interbreed destroys that one so it's not long for this world.

7. PE is now a failure so it's out as evolution as well.

8. The “tree of life” has also been rejected.

>Why Evolutionists Lie About The Fossils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC6ggG4SbZc

>ATHEISTS ARE LIVING IN THE STONE AGE | The Theory Of Evolution is Officially DEBUNKED In 2017

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wCxkBnm3ow

>Evolution: The Greatest Deception of All Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMr278CMAIA

>Kent Hovind debunks Evolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyI-aQaXD0

>Evolution is a myth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjvuwne0RrE

>"You don't understand evolution!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V2eXu8RY20

>Darwinism's Downfall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHO-QkmomY

>1 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Does The Bible Mention Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr5A0um9-Fg

>2 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Did Man Co-Exist With Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-rGvX3NLf8

>3 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Did A Flood Destroy The Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWZmaMpdKqM

>4 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Did Dinosaurs Get On and Off The Ark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxEYBJnYHc

>5 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Are Dragons Really Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfU3QhpxChI

>6 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Do Dinosaurs Still Live Today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqP55kM7MfI

>7 - The Truth About Dinosaurs - Do We Have Conclusive Evidence of Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hx5aYqM89A

http://www.creation.com/

http://www.icr.org/

https://www.trueorigin.org/

https://www.answersingenesis.org/

http://www.creationwiki.org/Main_Page

http://www.evidentcreation.com/TRM-Logerr.html

http://www.davelivingston.com/tableofcontents.htm

http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology.htm

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/historical/dragons/


 No.70239

The atheist in most cases will assert that he has no belief and that his atheism is all about a ‘LACK of BELIEF’. They really love to stress this, and I can see why, because such a claim has a smuggled-in superiority that they are the rational ones who build their lives solely on reason and evidence opposed to the believer’s position of faith. But what they don’t tell you and what they refuse to mention is that they do have a positive BELIEF which forms their worldview and that is the belief in philosophical NATURALISM Philosophical naturalism is the doctrine that the natural world is all there is). Every person runs their life on presuppositions - assumptions about life and the universe. No one is without them; even a position of skepticism implies a whole lot of knowledge and opinions about the nature of reality. In short nobody lives in a philosophical black hole – nobody is neutral. The fact is many atheists don’t want their own position scrutinised; they have their beliefs/opinions in regard to the bigger questions of life. When I asked one particular atheist what is your worldview, and what is the evidence for it? What is your philosophical position and what is the evidence that it's true, and truly reflective of ultimate reality? He just retorted back that he had no beliefs. I then asked him to just tell me what he doesn't believe so that I could establish what he believes by default, I got no reply. It was clear to me that this particular person – and I have met many others like him – did not want to shift the ground to discussing his positive beliefs as such a move would invariably lead into his belief of philosophical naturalism – much better for him to just assert atheism and its single one-eyed view of lack of belief.

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

>The Introspective Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1lQMCOguw

>The Teleological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

>Why Leftists Believe Weird and Immoral Things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETivbBtlAE

>Worst Objection to Theism: Who Created God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKKIvmcO5LQ

>What Atheists Confuse

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLJtxn_OCo

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0lekx-NiQ

>Is Atheism a Delusion?

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBTJDje5xk

>Atheists Don't Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0


 No.70240

How often have you heard evolutionists say: "There's really no disagreement among reputable scientists when it comes to evolution." Or: "Evolution is settled science." Creation Moments has heard such statements fall from the lips of Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott and many others, too numerous to mention.

Clearly these evolutionists are all working off the same page in their playbook. They're also showing that they aren't thinking clearly. Why? Because they are writing books, making films and giving speeches tearing down scientists who disagree with them. But wait - didn't they just say that there's no disagreement among reputable scientists and we're dealing with settled science?

By saying things like this, evolutionists believe that people can be easily fooled by one of the oldest logical fallacies in the book - the argumentum ad populum. As used by evolutionists, this fallacy can be stated like this: "Since all scientists believe in evolution, evolution must be scientifically correct."

Even if the first part of this assertion were true - which it isn't - the second part does not logically follow. It's like the child who tries to justify some undesirable behavior by saying, "It must be okay because all the kids are doing it." Besides, if scientific truth is determined by majority vote or by what most scientists believe at a certain point in time, then Darwinism itself would have been rejected when it was first proposed.

Evolutionists have to rely on logical fallacies, because there is no evidence supporting the theory that species produce offspring that are not of their species. Only by using logic errors can evolutionists generate a belief in something that has not occurred and is not occurring.

Begging the Question: This is circular logic. An assumption is used to validate a premise. Evolution is assumed to be factual; therefore, evolutionists dismiss outright fraud as being acceptable because it illustrates a true point. One popular form of this is, "Although it is mathematically impossible for life to have occurred by chance, we're here, so that proves it happened."

Hasty Generalization: A small sampling of data is used to “prove” a large conclusion. For example, evolutionists like to claim that evidence of people dwelling in caves in former times means humans came from a more primitive species. This is overgeneralizing at its extreme. In fact, humans are still dwelling in caves, and not because they are a primitive species.

Hypothesis Contrary to Fact: This tries to prove a point by creating a hypothesis that has already been disproved. For example, evolutionists state that theists are retarding science. This is contrary to fact. Many scientific advances were made and are being made by people who believe in God. Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, and Mendel, for example, all believed in God.

Misuse of Authority: A group of “experts” is used to prove a conclusion, even if that group does not actually agree with it. An example is "All educated people know evolution is a fact."

Chronological Snobbery: This fallacy says that the evidence is ancient, so it can't be verified by observation. Thus we have the "millions" of years timetable for evolutionists.

You will find that every argument in favor of evolution hinges on a logical fallacy. All the evidence clearly points to design, not accident, as the source of life.

To see the fallacy Hypothesis Contrary to Fact in full force merely read the literature of any evolutionist and note that the literature will have references such as: may or may have, must or must have, possibly,could or could have, should or should have, might or might be, etc.Then note that their conclusion demands to be recognized as scientific fact. Apparently evolutionists did not get instruction concerning scientific axioms and principles that demand that any conclusion that rests on these kinds of phrases can never be considered a valid theory or fact.


 No.70241

One hasty generalization is when micro-evolution (adaptation within a species) is used to support macro-evolution (the change of one species into a different one.) The first is merely normal. The second never occurs. Yet evolutionists say that because some bacteria are resistant to antibiotics, this difference within the species proves that species change into creatures that are not of their own kind. That's a hasty generalization for you. Evolutionists are constantly begging the question. They base their extrapolations on assumptions. A good example of this is the rock record. Evolutionists say that slow, steady rate erosion created rock layers that were obviously caused in a cataclysm. Evolutionists ignore the real world of sudden disasters that dramatically and suddenly change the landscape, since that ruins their theory of slow, predictable change over millions of years. The theory of evolution is often referred to as a tested and proven scientific fact, when evidence overwhelmingly is against it. In fact, the theory of evolution is based on conjecture, and from there assumptions are made that contradict observable fact. Evolutionary arguments cannot withstand objective, in-depth criticism because they are nothing but hot air.

By true scientific standards, evolution is not even a theory. A scientific theory is confirmed by observations and is falsifiable. There will be proof whether it is right or wrong. Evolution cannot be put to a test, since it supposedly happened millions of years ago and we certainly never see it happening now. It can never be proved—either true or false. It has always been on speculation alone. Because there is no actual evidence to support evolution, proponents resort to logical fallacies. Evolution puts forth a tautology, which is the circular argument that the fittest survive, and therefore those who survive are the fittest. See how one statement is used as proof of a repetition of the same argument. The fittest—those who leave the most offspring, evolutionists say— leave the most offspring. A hamster spinning in its cage could hardly go in more circles! There is a line of reasoning known as a "reductio ad absurdum" ("reducing to absurdity"). Evolutionists like to do this all the time. They try to show that belief in a Creator is false because it is absurd. "We cannot see the Creator, we cannot hear the Creator, and we cannot touch him," they say. "So we're supposed to believe this tripe?"

Meanwhile, we cannot see species turning into another species, but they expect us to believe that they do.

Evolution is a debunked myth. It's completely imaginary. Darwinism is a cult.

Atheists desperately cling to a dead, destroyed theory because admitting the Biblical worldview is correct means admitting God exists, which is unthinkable to these irrational, hate-filled fedora tards who reject real science and believe in pseudo-science monkey-man myths.


 No.70245

>>70241

Brother Christanon, please don't go full retard. It makes the rest of us look bad.


 No.70246

>>70245

Not an argument.


 No.70253

The two key issues I have are loss of genetic data and not just genetic data but loss of new. New is important chaos creates new things. you cannot hope to control everything or everyone. Control is not what is important. Good culture, good values. Which have been perverted by hollywood and various media types. Its not like America is the sole proprietor of suffering on this planet. France never gets blamed even though it was them and nato that did the libya job america helped out a little bit. No one bats a eye at Israels activities. god forbid.

and for the "Christian". your whole post comes off as bitter, hateful, destructive, insulting, banal, and filled with vitriol designed for replies or discussion but seemed to be made for killing threads not actual discussion with how much of a huge overload with information of hours of content instead of engaging in a focused discussion. The entire post just lacks focus. which is why its a complete and utter failure. No one cares in this thread besides you or is going to be reading all that garbage or the youtube videos. Its a nice hat some people choose to wear and different ones have different rules for wearing it. In truth in every society that has existed its nothing more then social status or a enforced sometimes on pain of death. People have faith in institutions in ideologies in people they have idols and other such things. you choose Christianity. Good for you. You get a I am a Christian award.

I wonder how many other threads you have ruined with that horrible post. I hope it was not a OC.


 No.70254

>>70241

>The second never occurs

*on a timescale that would let humans watch it in real time

I suppose continental drift is just a debunked theory too? it's not like you can go out and watch these so called tectonic plates shift before your very eyes, can you?


 No.70255

File: 950a398131098d4⋯.jpg (194.76 KB, 609x1080, 203:360, 950a398131098d4d4accc44747….jpg)

>>70245

And your side claim that leftists have a collective mindset.

Kek.


 No.70259

>>62067

We gotta kill the leftists, OP

Every last one of them.

The best part is that we don't even have to violate the NAP, we just have to wait for the limp wristed fucks to finally attack us so we can finally destroy them. no "le hoppe helicopters XDDD" needed, just wait for a leftist to act like a leftist and then shoot the fucker in the head. In front of his family? Even better! The leaches will also come at us and we can remove the entire god damn genetic line.

Prove me wrong /liberty/.


 No.70261

File: e6e60888298dcde⋯.jpg (68.64 KB, 498x482, 249:241, e6e60888298dcde63bc4263491….jpg)

>>70255

>be collectivists

>don't want to be judged collectively


 No.70262

>>70255

We didn't come up with class consciousness. That's entirely on your side.


 No.70266

File: 50ea1ede7da5e77⋯.webm (813.71 KB, 212x120, 53:30, 50ea1ede7da5e775ae0e1b841….webm)

>>70261

>be collectivist

That's where you are wrong porky.

Niggers became bulletproof.


 No.70267

File: e7282a76947c1da⋯.png (412.65 KB, 535x590, 107:118, shiggy diggy boozebitch.png)

>>70266

>leftism doesn't place the collective above the individual


 No.70270

File: b4214a80dfa5f92⋯.jpg (306.47 KB, 594x800, 297:400, 57b915b05e082fc6b9799b33a1….jpg)

>>70267

>rightism doesn't place porkies over the individual worker.


 No.70271

File: 3169578474ffe57⋯.gif (1.94 MB, 320x240, 4:3, b92.gif)

>>70270

>libertarianism doesn't recognize property rights as something everyone gets by virtue of being sapient


 No.70273

File: e89661ad4402a8b⋯.png (107.92 KB, 273x252, 13:12, e89661ad4402a8bb3ad53fe79d….png)

>>70271

Libertarians doesn't recognize human dignity.

Also

>property rights

Nice spooks nerd.


 No.70274

>>70273

>property is a spook

>humanity isn't


 No.70275

>>70273

>Human dignity means free gibs and not having to work


 No.70280

File: 5922ac55bcebd6d⋯.jpg (23.55 KB, 333x490, 333:490, 1504843913862.jpg)

>>70275

>Capitalism means my bosses boot would taste like candy the next time I lick it

>>70274

>When the creative nothing is spooked beyond repair so it has to defend the self


 No.70286

File: 81b06601fe77134⋯.jpg (129.5 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1457800251490.jpg)

>>70280

but sapience is imaginary too


 No.70300

Hoppe is a crypto statist fascist and can go get fucked in the ass by dogs.


 No.70304

>>70300

Stop posting on /liberty/, Jeff. Nobody's buying it.


 No.70315

File: 7104536561ab20f⋯.jpg (29.33 KB, 626x741, 626:741, thimpling.jpg)

>>70280

>anarchism means putting dissidents in the gulag


 No.70321

>>70286

Dick is good though


 No.70374

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Can you ancaps explain why anarchy and zero government is a good thing? Why not be satisfied with a small government appointed by the people, as the founding fathers envisioned?

Isn't your system basically just feudalism? Ancapistan would resemble a dystopia like Blade Runner.

Drug cartels and organized crime syndicates practice anarcho-capitalism, why would you think everyone will magically be friendly to each other because of this vague, invisible 'NAP' that can't be enforced.


 No.70376

>>70374

>Why not be satisfied with a small government appointed by the people

Because it never, ever stays small.


 No.70377

HIPPETY HOPPETY

jews shouldn't own property tbh


 No.70378

>>70376

Because people allow it to grow.

The issue here isn't the government, it's whether the masses are educated and moral. A retarded people will obviously give the government more power.


 No.70381

>>70378

So you admit that your system is entirely dependent on over 50% of the population being smart and behaving ethically, yet don't see where this might come into conflict with reality?


 No.70384

>>70381

A retarded society is a shitty place to live regardless of what system you have in place. Ancapistan would be complete lawlessness, a dog-eat-dog world.

We start with the presumption that man is inherently fallen (see Genesis curse) and capable of great evil and wickedness. From that position, we create systems to keep man in check. The rule of law, the sanctity of life and marriage, institutions like the church, a small government for basic necessities and national defense, and above all else a moral and ethical people. This is how the United States became such a great nation (until the cultural marxists began to undermine all that).

A small government is too small to become a dictatorship.

No government is absolute chaos and anarchy.

You need some sort of law and order, and you can't have that in your Blade Runner-esque dystopian vision of the world. Heck you ancaps even have people who advocate for "watchmen", that is essentially the beginning of a state.

Ancapistan, from what I understand, is just idealogical wishful thinking, similar to the Left's

>Dude let's all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya!

socialist delusions.

If you want to see anarcho-capitalism at work, see no further than the various international criminal organizations or terrorist groups.

Another objection I have to ancaps is a philosophical/religious one. What foundation are you exactly standing on? Freedom alone is not a goal, you have to have some sort of underlying strong belief behind it. For Christian conservatives it's simple, we are all made in the image of God and the individual is of utmost importance, hence freedom. Freedom without any reason or purpose is just hedonism or selfish indulgence.


 No.70389

>>70374

Ancaps do not state that anarchy is necessarily a "good thing". There just is nothing to convince ancaps that a state is necessary nor optimal. They want the individual to decide whether to have a government or not.

How is voluntary choice considered feudalism?

Organized crime and cartels obtain their power via state-enforced prohibition, so how are they practicing anarcho-capitalism? Pretty much everyone follows the NAP except children and the state, and can be "enforced" by not cooperating with the violators.


 No.70390

>>70384

There's always been a very cavalier attitude towards the constitution and the restrictions it placed on the federal government. Just look at stuff like the alien and sedition acts.


 No.70394

>>70384

Congratulations, you made an unoriginal and lame argument but made it sound eloquent!

>If you want to see anarcho-capitalism at work, see no further than the various international criminal organizations or terrorist groups.

Why not the (supposed) Wild West, or Pennsylvania under the Quakers? The Islamic STATE does not sound very anarchist to me.

>You need some sort of law and order, and you can't have that in your Blade Runner-esque dystopian vision of the world.

Why? Law and order are already primarily a matter of custom. All of the rights that the state supposedly protects preceed it, and they're respected in the vast majority of cases even when no official is watching. Most people don't even consider violating them. That is basic criminology. The functions that the state (supposedly) fulfills can just as well be put in the hands of private organizations. Moral authorities like the Church and certain intellectuals can have a similar role as legislators, protection is already largely privatized (and inherently private, what with self-defense being an individual right), and retribution can be left to the individual but be effectively regulated by customary procedures, as it was for most of history.

> For Christian conservatives it's simple, we are all made in the image of God and the individual is of utmost importance, hence freedom. Freedom without any reason or purpose is just hedonism or selfish indulgence.

Agreed, but freedom without purpose is just as hedonistic when we're in a state. The state does nothing to make life more profound or meaningful, although it occasionally simulates this by fostering nationalism.

I still oppose paternalistic or moralistic laws on several grounds: they don't help the people they're supposed to benefit, they only soothe the conscience of moralists. Also, you need the freedom to choose wrong for your right choices to matter. They're also a one-way street to tyranny, and they never strike at the real source of moral conduct, inner conviction, but only at outside behavior, which reinforces the shameful attitude of pharisees and leaves those that are troubled, but with a genuine love and charity in the dust. And lastly, these laws are never complete, and that, too, botches morality. With them, taking an occasional shot of heroin becomes a crime, while treating everyone around you like dirt, abandoning friends and family, and all other kinds of shitty personal behavior remains legal.




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