/liberty/ - Liberty

>>61560

Any particular reason why you're reposting propaganda /leftypol/ is perfectly capable of reposting instead for the Xth time?

>>61564

To laugh at them. /leftypol/ is not delivering the good shit this time.

>>61564

Also, because this is a good hook for talking about how Imperial Japan, the Young Turks and Kuomintang were all various shades of socialist.

>>61560

I haven't read all the list, but all the ones I have seen are because of the state. Also

>General Disasters by Capitalism

>Famine of 1932-33(Kulak policy and weather) 7,000,000

kek

>>61582

See? That's why I wanted to share this. It's so fucking stupid, it makes them look like retards to everyone who's not deep in leftist denial himself.

>>61584

Well then, how about this one, I made it myself as a joke.

It might be an old meme, but I always wanted to do one of these

An anti-state right-wing libertarian Austrian Economics writer professor and entrepreneur was teaching a class on Murray Rothbard, known economist

"Before the class begins you must get on your knees and worship Rothbard and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Adam Smith!"

At this moment, a brave, Nobel-prize winner, pro government-intervention advocate who has written over 1500 columns in the New York Times and understood the necessity of central banks and fully supported all the economic decisions made by the Democratic Party in regulating the contradictions of capitalism stood up and held up the Social Contract.

"Who will build the roads, alligator arms?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "Private entities will surely build them, you statist."

"Wrong. Had private firms been enough to build the roads then the government would never have had to regulate them."

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Human Action. He stormed out of the room crying those libertarian crocodile tears. The same tears libertarians cry for the "taxed" (who today, because of government, live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the common good. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Irwin Schiff wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist austrian professor. He wished so much that he had a government welfare check to support his family, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Democrat that day and accepted Hillary Clinton as their true president. A bull named "Animal Spirit" rushed into the room and climbed on the desk pulverizing it to jump start the economy. A Tract on Monetary Reform was read several times, and Janet Yellen herself showed up and enacted another quantitative easing across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He was thrown in prison for tax-evasion, and would later die there.

The student's name? Maybe you've heard of him: Paul Krugman.

p.s. republicans are dumb, evil and greedy

>>61582

>Pinochet wasn't capitalist.

I don't care about your helicopter memes

>>61591

Stalin was a capitalist, by that list.

>inb4 the USSR was state capitalism

>>61594

>Inb4 Ancaps think otherwise

> deposits don't own the wealth of the country and distribute it like porky does.

>>61560

> General disasters by Capitalism

Why not put the black plague up there while we're at it?

>>61607

It happened during feudalism

>>61590

8/10, but probably just because I'm drunk as fuark. Still, that's an 8/10 for you.

>>61591

He killed what, a few tens of thousands, as someone who was capitalist but not in any sense laissez-faire, and who had an impending civil war with commies on his hands? Even if we add him to our side, for the sake of argument because nothing spells "ancap" like "military dictatorship" somehow, then you still fare worse.

>>61615

But "Feudal Russia" didn't?!

>>61603

I mentioned this tactic several times. You use an extremely narrow definition of socialism, and an extremely broad definition of capitalism, so that the latter is responsible for every crime in the world. I mean, this list implies that a country with no free enterprise, where farmers are shoved into communities, prices and quotas are set by decree, there's the death penalty for crimes such as "hoarding" and "profiteering", rights of property ownership are restricted based on religious affiliation, and where property is acquired by confiscation, is somehow capitalist. What, then, is left of socialism? You demand more than central planning of the economy, you demand that it's centrally planned in the interest of the people, which by definition cannot be the case when there's a famine. Oh, and wars? These are somehow always caused by capitalism, because you also attribute every material motive to capitalism. So your assumption is also that a socialist nation must not be greedy. If it is, then it stops being socialist. Also, if a capitalist nation started a conflict, then every death of the conflict must be attributed to it. Children raped and murdered by the Red Army? Villagers burned alive by the Vietcong? Well, obviously capitalism is to blame, after all it somehow provoked the proletariat into raping and setting kids on fire! Suicide, likewise, is to blame on capitalism if someone profitted from it, and your definition of sucide is very, very loose.

>>61629

I don't like socialism either. I just like mutualism and full communism (classless, stateless, moneyless society)

>>61629

Look at my flag next time. Stop assuming I support anything centerally planned.

The fallacies are strong with this one.

>>61636

>>61640

I swear, that's some Groundhog Day-esque shit right there.

Yes, I've seen your flag. No, I don't give a fuck. In my experience, "left"-libertarians will always pick the state over capitalism. They will march along with marxists, maoists and tankies, but refuse to read even a single argument against statism that comes from a capitalist. That's why I deliberately ignore your flag. I've met a few - very few - ansocs that weren't closet-marxists, but that was several months ago, maybe even a year. Now, all I see are anarchists who would rather push Stalin into the capitalist camp than piss off their marxist daddies.

>>61643

> more generalizations

I pick neither the state or capitalism.

<here's my generalization

We just recognize that your ideology is just statism under a facade. We could work with you, but we know you will throw us under a train just like the Trotsky, Leninist, and Stalinist Bolsheviks. If it was me I would ally with mutualist, syndicalist, communist, and individualist anarchist because those ideologies are very similar and has similar goals compaired to the stark contrast of ancaps.

>>61643

>>61649

Nice samefagging you fucking retard.

>>61651

It's just the idiot that's been false flagging here the last week or so. There's been several posts with an ancap flag that are just low effort anti-libertarian/-capitalist shitposts.

>>61651

The first post was me, and it wasn't falseflagging, you idiot.