/liberty/ - Liberty

>implying reddit cancer will actually leave

>>59004

>we are actively converting polacks

Actively converting nationalist socialists to nationalist socialism? Who knew "welfare and the socialist state are great and work as long as it's white natives only" camp was actually left wing all along? Apaprently, /leftypol/ didn't.

>constant infighting

>constant threats of leaving for another board/website

>constant arguments over banning sprees

Now that's what I call praxis.

>>59010

Let's not forget the "libertarianism can only work if there is a 100% white society" "libertarianists" on /pol/. It's almost as if, they mostly care about gassing the jews, and not how to run a society.

>praxis

nice

>>59019

>>59010

its not a huge secret that third world immigrants bring third world problems

or that virtue (very generally speaking) is closely correllated with economic success

there is a strong correlation between genetics and character type, and thus also behaviour, decision making (-capabilities)

its unclear to what extent we should consider genes common with x phenotype vs exact genes of an individual

probably some

also theres some practical issues with humans - whether they should or not - acting tribally in multiethnic societies. or be in other ways influenced by a persons phenotype. mind you a lot of that is subconscious (amygdala to be specific)

also genetics work such that new children will inherit from a couple generations back, rather than exactly the parents (dominance of genes is very relevant too)

so it does matter what those past genes were/are

I'm fucking done with /leftypol/. BO says you shouldn't apologize for imperialism, and yet the moderators now turn this on its head an ban everybody who is even slightly critisiying US presence in Rojava. The BO is unstable and probably drunk all the time, and the mods are power-tripping faggots. I hope this place rots in hell.

>>59004

What the fuck is even going on here? It's like I'm watching a train wreck of abstract ideologies go paranoid.

>>59030

>yet the moderators now turn this on its head an ban everybody who is even slightly critisiying US presence in Rojava

The US presence is the only reason ""Rojava"" exists, otherwise Syria and Turkey would take turns skullfucking your pet brown skinned commies.

>>59034

It's complicated. Basically, tankies (aka Marxist-Leninists or "MLs", the only people who unironically defend the USSR and North Korea and Maoist China) along with the Maoists and a few others are staging a moderation coup to make things more like r/fullcommunism. The rest of the board for a long time has disliked them for being Reddit-like, but now they're going all out and want to turn the place into a safe space for "anti-imperialism" (anyone who doesn't like the USA = good), even though 85% of the board disagrees with them when polled on this. As if they didn't already have enough safe spaces for themselves already.

The thread linked is a last-ditch effort to remove the BO and restore freedom of discussion.

>>59038

>implying that Syria and Turkey aren't brown

>implying that /leftypol/ cares about skin color

You do realize that the whole point of /leftypol/ was to get rid of Reddit-style overmoderation and stop race, gender, and other identity politics from being put over class politics, right?

Also, the controversial new rule is more about people being critical of Russia and Assad - tankies hate people who are critical of countries which are critical of the USA. No one on /leftypol/ actually support Rojava because of American help.

>>59039

actually supports*

>>59029

Yee the open borders crowd are a joke.

Jeffersonian types are vastly superior.

Lol, the community should just own the means of productions of the board

>>59039

There's something I don't quite understand and, so please help me understand. I know that most left-leaning ideologies, especially the anarchist ones, are against imperialism. The USSR, however was imperialistic as it contained several countries and would have loved to expand, had it not been for America and NATO. You said that only tankies defend the USSR so shouldn't they be pro imperialism as well? Because from what you said only they want anti-imperialism rhetoric, while the other ideologies defend imperialism. Or is it that imperialism only applies to America?

>>59044

The USSR even had imperialism in its name, otherwise it would've been Soviet Russia. It probably doesn't have this reputation because it sucked compared to America.

>>59044

If you define "imperialism" as "a state extending its influence beyond the bounds of the core population seen as characterizing it" (example: German colonies in Africa, British East India Company in India, Russian incursions into Mongolia and Manchuria, etc.), then all leftists are against it in theory because all leftists (in theory at least, tankies don't in reality) want to eliminate the state (communism = socialism = a stateless, classless society, "all is for all").

However, this is not what is meant by "anti-imperialism".

reality.gn.apc.org/polemic/imper.htm

Modern "anti-imperialism" is the belief that leftists should align themselves with any 3rd world country which declares itself to be against the United States/EU/NATO. In practice, this means defending places like Venezuela, Russia, China, Zimbabwe, Syria, Palestine, North Korea, etc. It arose as a calling system for Moscow to direct useful idiots. The best way to summarize its modern form is believing that you should stand with the "little guy" if two countries are fighting it out, even if they're both capitalist. Sound dumb and like something a bootlicker would say? Well, that's a tankie's mindset for you.

>especially the anarchist ones

Anarchists such as myself are anti-statist in general. Marxists are anti-statist as well, but Marx called for a transitional state (the meaning of this varies among the types of Marxists, with some such as council communists and Situationists and DeLeonists being similar to anarchists in practice) whereas the older anarchist tradition has always called for the unconditional immediate abolition of the state and private property.

>>59046

Are you brain damaged? What does your post even mean? The USSR was an empire, yes, but your post is… incoherent.

>>59047

Also, to give you an example of this in practice, tankies will vigorously defend the USSR as "not imperialist" and squeal loudly until a moderator bans you to make the place a safe space again because the USSR was the "little guy" to them in the Cold War.

Statism is cancer, we can agree on that bit.

>>59047

>Are you brain damaged? What does your post even mean? The USSR was an empire, yes, but your post is… incoherent.

Confused? Maybe, because I was eating glorious capitalist pizza at the moment. Incoherent? No, and your parents hate you. The USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It wasn't Russia. It wasn't Soviet Russia. Russia wasn't part of the name. There was nothing geographic about the name at all. That makes the globalist intentions of that state very clear.

>>59039

>>59048

Have you actually looked at the bans? It was mostly "tankies" who got trolled by certain mods. It's basically just a ban war at this point between the factions within the moderation team, and since BO never shows up consistently, your guys are winning so you whining is a little to nothing based in reality.

>>59047

>Modern "anti-imperialism" is the belief that leftists should align themselves with any 3rd world country which declares itself to be against the United States/EU/NATO

You're being deliberately misrepresenting how theories on imperialism (there are no "modern" theories about it, the one from Lenin which was later expanded on by Mao still stands) work, and judging by your long-winded posts in which you are outright lying about what happened speaks for itself. Anarchist "theory" on imperialism is not only extremely useless, it sometimes even denies that imperialism as such even exists (Bookchin).

>>59047

>>59048

Thank you for your answer, even if not everyone agrees with you.

>>59050

While I would like to ask you not to start an infighting here on /liberty/ when you have other boards like /leftypol/ and /marx/ for that, I am also curios how you define imperialism, and if the USSR was imperialistic.

>>59050

> It was mostly "tankies" who got trolled by certain mods.

>>>/leftypol/1818944

>>>/rojava/ (small board, there's a thread there where people are posting their bans for being "imperialists" - I got banned as well for not being sufficiently "anti-imperialist")

I haven't seen any tankies get banned for it, and almost the entire board is in opposition to this whole thing except for that conspicuous 12% which, coincidentially, is the same percentage as what tankies register at. Plus, the whole debate

>(there are no "modern" theories about it, the one from Lenin which was later expanded on by Mao still stands)

I've read Lenin's "Imperialism: The Highest Stage Of Capitalism". A cursory glance shows that it's clearly outdated - capital now seesaws back and forth between countries instantaneously, and it's the MNCs themselves and not the states which have true sovereignty. Capital has gotten wise to your crude tactics. Even then, Lenin's argument was for revolution in less-developed countries to be exported to core capitalist countries, not for uncritical support of their national bourgeoisie! I don't know what the hell Mao put in your head, but it's clearly bullshit. Are you going to read the Cockshott article which I posted above or not because you're a bleeding heart liberal over your precious Assad and Putin, "muh tiny oppressed Russia" and will deny reality to preserve your delusions?

>Anarchist "theory" on imperialism is not only extremely useless

There is no anarchist theory of imperialism, and anarchists have better theory than tankies because tankies have none. You just lick the boots of whichever Eastern dictator is the flavor of the month, even if they're expressly anti-communist like Putin. You're not a Marxist. You're just an Orientalist liberal who likes the color red.

>it sometimes even denies that imperialism as such even exists (Bookchin).

Bookchin explicitly rejected anarchism, you absolute mongoloid.

>>59052

>While I would like to ask you not to start an infighting here on /liberty/ when you have other boards like /leftypol/ and /marx/ for that

They banned me from /leftypol/ just now on multiple IPs, even though I'm one of the oldest contributors. They're not tolerating any discussion of the subject. /marx/ has always been ban-happy like /leftypol/ is now. /anarcho/ is dead and N1X is a fag of his own kind.

>>59057

*Plus, the whole debate is framed in terms of "should people be banned for 'pro-imperialism'", this being an excuse to ban people for supporting Rojava if it triggers Assad supporters. It's clearly a tankie coup. Stop it with your gaslighting - you're not even good at it!

>>59057

>They banned me from /leftypol/ just now on multiple IPs, even though I'm one of the oldest contributors. They're not tolerating any discussion of the subject. /marx/ has always been ban-happy like /leftypol/ is now. /anarcho/ is dead and N1X is a fag of his own kind.

I'm sorry to hear that, sure we mostly welcome legitimate discussion from lefties on things like market, property, anarchism and so on, but that doesn't make /liberty/ your bunker board. You will have to find a new home somewhere else. I sincerely wish you luck.

>>59059

Thanks. I'll quiet down now.

>>59030

>the mods are power-tripping faggots

Sounds like typical Socialism to me. Near perfect emulation.

>>59047

>>59050

>>59057

>when leftist controlled spaces fail so epically leftists have to come to a libertarian space in order to have the freedom to argue with each other

>>59061

so is leftypol admin a transsex?

>>59122

There's a meme about him being a girl but we don't actually know anything about him.

>>59061

Ah I get it now. Its the old feminists versus trannies debate.

I always knew this would split the left.

Wait till they have the muslims versus feminists debate. Then shit will really start to hit the fan.

>>59129

what is this split based on?