1d0205 No.674788
ITT we discuss the application of civilian/commercial tier drones in guerilla tactics against conventional armed forces. Known uses, potential uses, device types and configurations, what would be the ideal set up under $X dollar amount etc.
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d6e7e6 No.674789
>uses drones once
>now for the rest of the conflict every single enemy base and group is equipped with jammers
They're useless against 1st world militaries. They only work against illiterate subhumans
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1d0205 No.674790
economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/02/08/home-made-drones-now-threaten-conventional-armed-forces
Article about isis jews using some fine aeronautical engineering to bomb Russians in Syria. Supposedly pic related could travel 100km with a payload of explosives and cost under $2k all in.
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1d0205 No.674791
>>674789
>They're useless against 1st world militaries. They only work against illiterate subhumans
Keep in mind these two groups often overlap.
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1d0205 No.674792
>>674791
Also you could aim a drone at a coordinate without the use of GPS if it contains an internal compass and some way to track distance. Possibly defeating jammers.
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e512f7 No.674794
>>674792
>implying the drone's firmware doesn't have CIA code preventing it from visiting certain coords
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55b89e No.674795
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055eaf No.674799
>>674789
So it's perfect. If they deploy jammers to jam drones then their drones won't be deployable either.
>>674790
Please learn how to archive, newfag.
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1d0205 No.674803
>>674799
It’s paywalled, nigger.
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1d0205 No.674816
>>674812
It’s time for you to take a break from the internet
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1d0205 No.674822
>>674818
>calling someone hank hill like it’s a bad thing
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b84297 No.674824
>>674794
>using a storebought drone
>in guerilla warfare
You'd achieve the same effect by just bombing yourself and skipping the rest of the steps.
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04c3d3 No.674825
<Dronz SUUKS cuz they just b jammed ey
Brohas, they dont have to be your stupid quadcopter your cousin got for christmas and you didnt.
Any UAV type thing thats small can be devastating with CBRN type shit on it, or be the best eye in the sky for a guerrilla force.
Shit, has anyone realized burgers use drones while they fight, having thermals and record half their shit, or at least have some nerd chilling and watching their flanks.
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cb28cc No.674840
How do common consumer fixed-wing RC planes/drones fare in the RCS department?
Would it be difficult to hide them from Patriots?
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bbc328 No.674841
>>674840
They're not built with materials or structure specifically to counter radar, so they have that working against them. On the other hand they're a hell of a lot smaller and slower than the jets these systems were designed to engage. Aren't a lot of modern air defence systems programmed to only display objects that meet certain criteria (speed, signal strength, etc)? In that case the SAM may never see them. Even if they do spot and engage them though that's still potentially a winning exchange for the insurgents.
>Cost of garage built drone: Maybe a few thousand
>Cost of Patriot Missile: Around 3 million a shot
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4f3e99 No.674849
>>674789
>Falling for the jamming meme
Oh yes, sure, constantly broadcast radio waves on all frequencies, forever, just in case someone whips out some home made drones. It's not like people can't just program some coordinates and make the whole thing fire and forget.
>Build $2k drone
>Militaries spend millions on jammers
>Send it to kill the British Queen
>All signals jammed!
>But the thing isn't remote controlled - it's just a dumb bomb flying on autopilot
>Queen dies
Oh, how could we see this happening! I guess the military will just have to spend multiple millions more on directional energy weapons (that won't be available anytime they're needed without being hella expensive).
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bbc328 No.674853
>>674849
>I guess the military will just have to spend multiple millions more on directional energy weapons
Arguably a self guided drone-bomb would be vulnerable to more traditional firearms, at least in its terminal descent. Have every VIP/probable target guarded by a small detail armed with 12 bore shotguns (8 bores if they aren't some kind of mega-manlet) loaded with a mix of bird and buckshot and the attacks should be dramatically less effective.
Granted, that might be a little too /k/ grade for most military forces, and I'm pretty sure that most defence contractors would have no trouble turning a 'we need shotguns!' purchase order into a bill for a few hundred million - but it wouldn't have to be that retarded.
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85bc77 No.674862
>not using a bunch of cheap drones with speakers to fuck with your targets
>not making them be extra obnoxiously loud while your target is trying to sleep
Imagine the look on the poor bastard's face when he lost sleep due to a dozen of so drones all screeching "IDW DA NYA" at him.
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74080d No.674864
>>674788
Thread started off weak, Haven't seen this posted.
http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/
>>674840
with the lack of metals, they do pretty well, mainly because there's nothing much to reflect. Russian VHF and UHF have a hard time tracking regular quadcopters in any significant range to be effective (around 7.7km with them knowing where to look) and what they use on TOR have a hard time as well.
Worse case they think it's a few birds, best case you have so much that you saturate their subsystems and they can't deal with it.
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fd80b3 No.674867
>>674789
>Invest small amount of money
>Enemy has to invest a huge amount of money to deal with my investment
>This is a bad thing
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6f79c0 No.674885
>>674788
At the current point in time, its not possible. A common silver back gorilla weights between 136 to 195 kg.
Current drones simply cannot lift that.
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b493cf No.674886
>>674799
>So it's perfect. If they deploy jammers to jam drones then their drones won't be deployable either.
Drones under $25,000 use regular WIFI and a linux single board computer.
Military and Commercial camera drones use all sorts of weird technology and frequencies. to avoid jamming which would obviously be a huge flaw in their operation.
Some guy at the defcon talks was able to jam the cheaper drones but the more expensive ones the best he could do was make them fly a bit irratically.
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b493cf No.674887
>>674886
>Some guy at the defcon talks was able to jam the cheaper drones but the more expensive ones the best he could do was make them fly a bit irratically.
To be clear he was actually able to completely take over the cheaper drones. Access the images on teh camera. Disconnect the controller and fly it himself. etc etc
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c774b7 No.674893
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b0b39c No.674894
>be insurgent
>have drone
>have mortar
>use mortar to fire at hostiles
>observe impact with drone
>adjust fire accordingly
Sure, it's not as fancy as laser or GPS guided weapons, but it gets the job done.
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832833 No.674895
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>674886
He was also able to completely ground the expensive drone with a few magnets.
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bbc328 No.674902
>>674894
How high up do you think you'd have to get the average drone to make it unspottable with the, ground level, Mk.1 Eyeball (assuming best visibility conditions)? As much fun as it might be to sperg out over laser-guided-mass-produced-kamikaze-drone-swarms they're going to be a lot more practical and useful as eyes in the sky.
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4cea4d No.674906
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adab8c No.674907
>>674788
Strapping Dogs to drones is probably the best idea you ever had op
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4cea4d No.674908
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0b011d No.674911
>>674888
No you would be boomhauer
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ef78bc No.674913
>>674840
The Russians demonstrated that the older Tunguska couldn't track a quadcotper carrying a go pro (best they could do was to override system and use the optical channel and try to hit it on manual), but the newer pantsir (S2 IIRC) had no problem tracking and hitting even really small targets.
Something like patriot doesn't see small drones, it's clearly not meant to. C-RAM probably do and would work way better than against shells.
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ef78bc No.674914
>>674902
Even if you see it with what are you gonna shoot it?
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bbc328 No.674918
>>674914
If your opponents spot the drone it will be reported, and with civilian grade gear they know that the operator isn't too far away. They also know that their opponents want to watch them, possibly for an ambush or to direct some kind of long range fire. Generally speaking the less the enemy knows the better.
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62447a No.674931
>>674918
You can get 40km of range with a $70 radio link such as the TBS crossfire micro.
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ef78bc No.674933
>>674918
Sure, I'm sure battalion intelligence will be very happy with you… but in the meantime you're taking accurate mortar fire.
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bbc328 No.674938
>>674931
Isn't something with that kind of range going to show up like a spotlight on milspec RDF?
>>674933
Why give the enemy any information you can prevent him from having? Even if it's only a few seconds to scatter and get to cover before the first shell hits?
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683a5a No.674947
>>674894
Ukrops do that and generally speaking when the shells fall the Russians tend to be laughing elsewhere, whereas with the Russians, they put three to six grenades on them and drop it on the Ukrops.
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b0b39c No.675422
>>674902
>How high up do you think you'd have to get the average drone to make it unspottable with the, ground level, Mk.1 Eyeball
It's not just how high, you also have horizontal distance. And assuming the drone is being used as a spotter, seeing it isn't really that important unless you can down it. Past a thousand feet or so (direct distance), the odds of it being hit by infantry fire are pretty low. A drone operator can also use terrain and the sun to mask his drone. It's also important to ask what method you intend to use to spot the drone. Sure, a FOB can have a couple guys who's job it is to watch the sky, but a foot patrol is probably going to be much more occupied.
>>674918
>If your opponents spot the drone it will be reported, and with civilian grade gear they know that the operator isn't too far away.
So the cost of being able to directly observe the enemy is that the enemy will know that there is someone, somewhere. That's not exactly a major giveaway, especially if you're bombarding them with mortars.
>They also know that their opponents want to watch them, possibly for an ambush or to direct some kind of long range fire.
Isn't that kind of a given? I would think the second assumption made in war, other than "The enemy wants to defeat me" would be something along the lines of "The enemy will perform recon on me".
>Generally speaking the less the enemy knows the better.
Having effective recon is paramount to successful action.
>>674938
>Why give the enemy any information you can prevent him from having?
Because having information to work with is incredibly important, especially from an insurgent standpoint.
>Even if it's only a few seconds to scatter and get to cover before the first shell hits?
Are you seriously saying that blind fire is better than corrected fire, just because there is the possibility that the enemy might be aware of the first (almost certainly inaccurate) shots before they land?
>>674947
I haven't seen any of that footage, are these Russians in fortified or urban areas?
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df3050 No.675470
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>>674788
Isn't the Predator a drone the size of a Corolla? What's stopping the current armed forces using drones too?
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bbc328 No.675474
>>675422
>Are you seriously saying that blind fire is better than corrected fire, just because there is the possibility that the enemy might be aware of the first (almost certainly inaccurate) shots before they land?
No. I'm saying that it's worth putting a little more work and thought into the drone, optics, and doctrine to improve its functionality and effect.
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