/k/ - Weapons

You can get Garand for <$700 from CMP, open market they generally run about a grand. $1400 gets you a pretty nice one though. Shits fucking expensive, and I'm still pissed King Nigger blocked the importation of more of them.

>>653409

Are there cheaper alternatives or is it worth it for it's iconic status?

>>653410

BM59s which are Italian Garands with detachable mags chambered in .308 are an option I guess. Expect ~$800 pricing. M1 carbines however are fucking everywhere and a post-war universal can be had for around $600. They were the AR-15 of the 50s. Ammo is expensive, but super easy to reload due to it being a straight wall case.

Just got a late serial number (1956) for 850 in great condition I like it but I love the M1 M14 platforms. If it's a WWII if you don't care you can get one between 700-900.

>>653417

Oops, meant to say If it's a WWII serial people will want a premium.

>some sort of American rifle

AR-15 or AR-10, keep in mind the AR-10 lacks the total parts compatibility of the AR-15 but they are the most practical for serious use and far more accurate than the M1 platform. If you want a more practical M1 design get an M1A scout that gives you an 18" barrel which doesn't compromise too much velocity and you have 20 rounds of .308, but its heavier and the cheapest I've seen was from PSA for 1200.

If you love the M1 though, you can only get one from CMP if you've done a Rifle Program like appleseed or you can buy one from a shop between 700-1600>, as was stated above WWII serials are premo shit because some people don't realize that serial number doesn't mean combat and there is no real difference in design from the later and earlier rifles apart from a few obscure models that aren't worth mentioning. IF YOU BUY ONE BE SURE TO FIELD STRIP IT IN THE STORE, there are a ton of badly pitted receivers out there (a little pitting isn't too bad in some places but you should know what you're buying). The important areas are Also be warned that M1s without adding a ported gas block can run the risk of bending the op rod if you want to shoot modern hunting loads, research what ammo you're shooting but remember that $40 part can save you a $300 repair. It's the only semi auto in 30-06 that is worth owning.

>>653414

seriously? like, to what ratio are M1 carbines more available than WWII battle rifles?

>>653414

Aren't magazines something like $50 each though?

>>653449

Maybe, I've never encountered one in the wild and most semi auto 30-06s I've seen look too much like traditional hunting rifles to get me erect. OP was talking specifically about American guns though.

>>653567

But /k/ told me that everything american is automatically bad and must be destroyed.

>>653563

Yeah, long-term M1A is a better choice over BM59 as it will have a lot more parts and magazine support for a lot longer period of time, and they're not that far off in price from each other. When a serviceable kludge like the BM59 was possible I think it's kind of silly we didn't just do that and use up war surplus Garands instead of putting an entirely new rifle into production, but that's military contracting.

>>653563

>>653587

>buying springshit

Make sure to buy second hand to deprive them of profit.

>M1 Garand

>American

Cucked again by syruperior Canadian cock.

>>653574

Don't believe the commies, we have some good shit.

>>653582

Parts and mag availability wouldn't be too great and I've heard too many reliability issues to recommend them, but I can't say from personal experience with 30-06 AR designs.

>>653587

The BM59 would have made a lot more sense than developing the M14 but the Army for all their rhetoric has never been capable of reducing costs.

>>653593

From what I remember I thought the backlash was overblown but it was hard to find good write ups on it, not sure what to believe.

>>653642

True but the M1 Garand came out of American factories, even if its designer designer fled a cucked nation. ARs are definitely more American.

>>653428

I bought my first rifle EVER this weekend from PSA and it's an AR10 that they have on sale for $300 off the normal $900, very excited

>>653663

They seem to have the best prices for sure, although I've heard Pmags have compatibility issues. I think I'll end up buying or building one from them this year.

>>653444

Well you can actually find carbines on the open market for one thing. They were also made in greater numbers than the garand if memory serves. One point of advice though is to stay far far away from the modern reproducitons. They are all total garbage.

>>653563

I dunno, parts are more common, but you have to deal with kikefield and their price saving cast receivers. I would rather get a James river armory or go all the way for a Fulton personally.

>>653659

>backing a bill that would have the state dictate what brand of guns got to be in stores and limited yearly purchases to 10

<the backlash was overblown

>>653660

>$700 for a cast gun

>>653671

I have never seen a Mini-14 go for less than $850. And they're still the shittiest major market five-five-sixer.

>>653660

The only advantage it has is being able to go under AWB radars. The magazine price kills it, and they're not exactly known for accuracy or reliability. If they took standard AR mags by some miracle I'd get one. Also it wasn't based on the Garand at all.

>>653663

If SAI were really that bad they would have more of a record than just supporting one bill, if they do something else then I can see a pattern but they're blaming the ((Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association)) for misrepresentation and since to my knowledge and research SAI or its Officers have not advocated or supported gun control. Ruger and S&W sold out to the 1999 AWB which I find to be way worse but that's me.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/05/01/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/

As to your point about cast receivers I've not seen any issues resulting from casting from anyone I know who has abused them but I'll admit forging is definitely superior. If cost is no issue Fulton Armory is where I'd go to.

>>653671

$600 anon, not $700

>>653674

ok so what's a better alternative? sincere question. I like the Mini14 aesthetics, the fact that it's not gas op, the 'under the radar' aspect, the common ammo aspect, the semiauto (obvi) but I'm open to alternatives.

>>653694

Did you misreply or are you retarded? sincere question

>>653690

I've heard that the barrels ruger's been using since about '95 have better accuracy, look for a newer serial number

>>653703

Misreply, my bad. Was referring to >>653671.

The Mini14 is the lowest cost rifle with those aesthetics don't pay more than 750 for one though, sure it won't be as accurate as an AR but Its not inaccurate. I prefer the m14 function and style more but they won't be as well priced with the exception of mags.

>>653703

>not gas op

What? It is gas operated, what the hell are you talking about? It uses a short stroke piston system, with the op rod interfacing directly with the fixed gas block, bypassing the need for a gas tube. As people said above, it has nothing in common with the M1/Carbine/M14, but it's still a gas action.

>>653741

I'm retarded, no bully

>>653694

>>653709

Wasn't that manufacturers lobby staffed by four guys and half of them were Springfield employees? You don't just oopsie woopise and back a bill that awful and one sidedly beneficial to just yourself. Ruger and Smith&Wesson get off the hook for the AWB fuckery because the bastards in charge of those decisions are ether long retired or actually dead. Springfield on the other hand tried to sweep it under the rug and pinned it on a couple of scapegoats while hoping people would forget about it.

>>653768

And don't forget that the bill was also supported by Rock River Arms, TFB and TTAG.

>>653774

>TFB and TTAG

Why though? Aren't they gun media outlets? What do they have to benefit from manipulating the actual gun market?

>>653861

They're limousine liberals and trust fund kiddies. The kinds of types who will have their cake and eat it too, stealing rights from you to make their own privileges more special. I will say it's not the entire staff on either site that is anti-gun, but both were pushing articles in support of that law. TTAG is also just generally a mediocre source who's been caught reporting things that were wrong or false on several occasions, which is ironic given their name.

>>653868

I think the greater problem is that "journalists" are just intellectual prostitutes, they don't write anything independent, they write what they are told to write. There is little to no "independent media" because those who get exposure and are pushed are controlled, or given very little leash to run on. They control the narratives, so they control the narrators. If you say "I came here to write the truth' they would never let you in in the first place. They are like all others in the industry, they report what they are told to report, make advertisements int he guise of positive reviews, their primary goal is money and views, then doing as whats needed to please those in power to keep money and exposure coming, hopefully enough to move up the ranks in a purely political system of trading favors.

If you don't play politics then you have no place anywhere in the modern world. Its corrupt bottom to top, don't play don't show up.

>>653871

You're certainly correct in your insight, but these guys are worth special mention because even in their personal content they're often outspokenly against the kinds of people you see on /k/. See James, Nathaniel, Alex - hell, most TFBTV videos in general are some cross between marketing and thinly veiled bragging about how they're rich faggots who deserve to have things you can't.

I still think James' Mini-14 shilling video is one of the funniest gun videos I've ever watched. Not a single thing he says in it is honest, he has this like 6x fucking optic and keeps missing the target completely at less than 20 yards, and there are multiple malfunctions with the rifle. He just keeps on trucking and calling it the best rifle ever made. It's fucking great.

>>653904

Don't buy Springfield for all I care just stop making excuses for Ruger and S&W.

>>653910

>no u

>ur npc xDDD

>Springfield who literally tried to have all guns in Illinois banned except their own is BASED but Ruger still has to atone for the sins of a dead man

<but you're the hypocrite

>>>/cuckchan/

>>653659

>the backlash was overblown

t. springshit employee

>>653874

I see your point, in that those specific channels are cringey. I never watch or read their material…. because they seemed to me like a worthless "top ten numbered list" style view grabbing or "here's my personal opinion e-blog' type garbage. The little I've seen of their work I can get the feeling of what you are talking about, "my toys" and the rest. I'd waste more time looking into them, but I think I already said I'd be wasting time watching too much of their stuff.

Divide and conquer, carve out exemptions and privileges to gain support from one group, then betray the people you carved the exceptions out for because now they are standing alone. Good rich and upper class people stand in the right place, many rich people who don't care are always willing to sell their mother down the river for a favor or because they think there will be a "compromise" (in our case, we give and they take everything). I'm getting the feeling now and then that even the bad rich are getting the feeling that one day they are going to be loaded up on the same train as the rest of us and might wise up a little. Maybe.

>>653694

>>653768

>>653774

>>653901

>>653904

et al

As for the other issue in this thread being beaten upon, at some point you can't hold grudges against everybody for eternity. At some point you won't have any friends left, or in this case, gun manufacturers. If we blackball every single company when they get on the wrong side of gun control we risk eventually excluding almost every company, sometimes because of something done 30 years ago. At this rate all the gun controllers will have to do is get each company to bow once to gun control and you'll never buy another new gun ever again, because they are all on the blacklist for eternity!

I think the way these things should go is like professional wrestlers getting fired, nobody is ever truly blackballed or blacklisted. They get fired, they get put in the doghouse, they get into a shitload of trouble and lose a shitload of money, but one day the heat dies down and they get hired again if they are worthy. Springfield and the others in the recent betrayal are definitely in the doghouse at best, people should avoid their products. I'm not even a Ruger guy, but I'll give them a pass at some point, its been a long time since Bill did his shit, its been a while since S&W was cooperating. Make sure that you let them know that you always remember, that nobody forgot the time they stepped over the line, but to demand everyone boycott them forever is, at some point, just plain ridiculous.