ccf9dc No.644763
A few months back I bought a PSA PA-10 for around $650, along with an SWFA SS Scope and an SWFA SSALT mount for around $350. Overall I'm happy with the purchase but I encountered a few issues.
<Current parts on the rifle
>Sprinco Red spring
>Brownells h3 buffer
>CMC 3.5 lb flat trigger
>AR-STONER Muzzle brake, 3 port
>SWFA SS 10x42 Scope
>SWFA SSALT One Piece Mount
>Hogue overmolded grip
>Magpul rubber M-lok inserts
Everything else is stock PSA parts, although I'm probably going to stick an MFT minimalist stock on it (The PSA stock is very loose)
>Lower shipped with an H buffer and a spring shorter than a 5.56 rifle spring
I run an H2 buffer and carbine spring in my 5.56 carbine, and my 5.56 rifle has a spring longer than the PSA. This is an issue, .308 is a big boy round, and it needs a big boy buffer system. I replaced these with an H3 buffer and a sprinco red spring. These worked great at the range, so I know that the H buffer and mystery spring were too light. Another issue was the buffer tube length
The PSA buffer tube was too long, and allowed the BCG to strike the buffer threads, do not shoot your PA-10 out of the box
This is a big issue, PSA uses their own proprietary buffer length, which is supposed to be similar to the Vltor AR-10 tube, which is deep enough to allow the use of Ar-15 buffers, instead of the shorty .308 buffers. The solution is to use one to two quarters as spacers in the buffer tube, to prevent overtravel of the BCG. I also had another unrelated issue with the buffer tube, the piece that retains the buffer detent chipped off, allowing the buffer detent to pop out. This doesn't impact the function of the rifle, but makes disassembly a little more inconvenient.
<Accuracy
The gun is about 1 MOA, I'll post some groups. (These were shot after I had already warmed up with about 25 rounds and zeroed the scope) The groups were shot with monarch steel cased 145 grain FMJ. The groups were measured from center to center.
<Reliability
I used monarch 150 grain soft points and monarch 145 grain steel cased FMJ, the rifle did not like the soft points at all, had double feeds and stove pipes every few rounds.
ccf9dc No.644764
I forgot to mention, the upper is a 20 inch with a rifle length gas system, and shipped with a midwest industries mlok handguard.
2e3a8d No.644791
>>644763
>I used monarch 150 grain soft points and monarch 145 grain steel cased FMJ, the rifle did not like the soft points at all, had double feeds and stove pipes every few rounds.
>Can eat shitty steel case
>Can't handle brass cased soft point
WTF mutts?
Shitpost aside, who can make a true rugged SHTF AR 10 DPMS type upper? I want to eat all the .308 and 7.62 I can find, accuracy be damned (as long as it is still better than a service AK).
7d0da7 No.644798
>>644791
Should have included DPMS type lower too but AR-10 world is pretty much JUST anyway.
d51ccc No.644801
>not buying a PTR
>not buying an FAL
There's your problem.
ccf9dc No.644813
>>644801
Why buy a PTR or FAL over an AR-10?
>>644791
Poorfag gun for poorfag boolits
I assume it had to do with the soft lead tip hanging up on the feed ramps. The majority of .308/7.62x51 ammo out there is FMJ, including cheap surplus, so you'd probably be fine with an AR-10 in SHFT (Ammo wise). The real problem is replacement parts, something which is a big problem for the '10 vs the '15.
>>644802
From what i've heard they're both fine. Just get whatever looks cool. The only reason I picked up a PSA was because I have a boner for DI stoner guns and it was incredibly cheap. For $630 I would tolerate a lot more problems than what I got.
e09645 No.644816
>>644802
Isn't the answer obvious?
ccf9dc No.644817
>>644798
AFAIK Any dpms lower will work with a PSA upper and vice versa. In fact, most AR-10's are DPMS pattern. The problem is that some companies may have a little bit different spec parts than another company. Use this site if you want to look at compatibility between parts, and make sure to heavily research anything you buy. https://308ar.com/
I would recommend buying a completer upper at minimum, because you don't know if a bolt and barrel from different manufacturers will be headspaced correctly, so you'd need a gauge for that. And if they aren't specced correctly there is no guarantee you'll be able to return it (Most companies don't guarantee compatibility with other companies parts)
>>644816
>leaf
opinion discarded
e09645 No.644818
>>644817
>mutt doesn't like the right arm of the free world
IMAGINE MY SHOCK
ccf9dc No.644819
>>644818
>leaf
>posting in my thread
e09645 No.644820
>>644819
Clean your room, pablo :^)
75c9d6 No.644821
>>644801
>getting a gun that turns brass into space junk as it mangles it and sends it into orbit
>getting a gun made in both metric and imperial so you need to second guess things like parts and magazines
The AR-10 would have been the end all be all of battle rifles if it wasn't sent to trials with a barrel made of aluminum against Stoner's wishes.
59379f No.644839
>AR10 thread
>no one has actually posted an AR10
Cool thread OP
0b7473 No.644845
>>644839
the holocaust never happened, prove me wrong
protip you can't
03cc71 No.644870
>>644802
Another anon made 2 good posts about the topic of BRs >>642694 >>642741
PTRs are made to actual G3 specs because H&K wants it so and a lot of the spare parts from actual G3s, HK91s and CETMEs will work on it. On the other side I heard that the cheaper FALs aren't really as good and spare parts are a bitch due to metric/imperial differences.
ccf9dc No.644916
>>644839
But I did post an AR-10.
5e1040 No.644919
ccf9dc No.644920
>>644919
I just bought one magpul 10 round magazine, anything longer than that might interfere with the bipod.
469add No.644935
>>644763
>SWFA
Good
>PSA AR .308
Not good
Aero Precision makes a good .308 AR. Paired with an A5 reciever extension you can use regular carbine buffers without issue.
ccf9dc No.644938
>>644935
>Not good
It's good for the price.
d51ccc No.644939
>>644821
Most AR-10's aren't interchangable. FAL and G3 were good designs the world adopted because they were well built guns. Only reason the US adopted the AR-15 was 100% politics. The AR-10 is far worse and adopted by how many countries? If certain political players, Whizz kids, Colt, didn't push the M-16 you would't even have heard or known about Eugene "Would Have Been Nobody Without Political Push" Stoner.
ccf9dc No.644940
>>644939
>The AR-10 is far worse
Explain
>adopted by how many countries
Not really a marker of the quality of the design, as you stated.
ccf9dc No.644966
>>644959
>but it could definitely be better.
how
a7df7c No.644968
>>644967
>1. Gas Piston > Direct Impingement
How?
>2. A fixed or folding stock won't fuck up the rifle if dented.
This is not a common problem.
>3. This part is fixable, but a better standard cartridge than 5.56. 5.56 is an ok plinking round, but 6.5 or that .280 round woukd be better.
>Also, I change my mind. A G41 in 6.5 or .280 would be a really nice rifle.
I want direct impingement AR based off the LMT monolithic receiver with a 45 degree gas block that uses the KAC torque attachment system, and a bolt which copies the LMT enhanced bolt, which is chambered a full power 6mm cartridge, that would propel a 115 grain bullet with a BC of .563 (G1) at a speed of 3300 feet per second out of a ~21'' barrel. Change my mind.
ccf9dc No.644969
>>644967
>Gas Piston > Direct Impingement
Why
>A fixed or folding stock won't fuck up the rifle if dented.
This isn't a real a problem.
>This part is fixable, but a better standard cartridge than 5.56. 5.56 is an ok plinking round, but 6.5 or that .280 round woukd be better.Also, I change my mind. A G41 in 6.5 or .280 would be a really nice rifle.
5.56 is fine for what it was designed for.
2e3a8d No.644972
>>644967
>1. Gas Piston > Direct Impingement
Is this spergook nogun talking? Am I transported back to Discovery Channel in the 2000s?
Stop repeating retarded meme you dumbfuck. AR is not even true DI. And 6.5 AR10 ajd AR15 have been on offer for years now.
Ban all nogun nonwhite and nogun whitecuck on sight pls.
d886f7 No.645002
618c6d No.645005
>>645002
So…one good gun means other guns of its kind are inherently good?
So jews are inherently good?
7d0da7 No.645029
>Nogun subhuman shitskin mutant called spergook/muttspammer contaminated another gun thread
618c6d No.645032
>>645029
Hear that? It's the sound of no argument.
458d48 No.645034
>>645002
Ah, the filthy fourteen. Caused as much asshurt during it's lifetime as Interracial TV mudtests.
>>645032
>>645013
>>645005
Fuck off before we spray you again with agent orange again, you ungrateful bug.
618c6d No.645035
>>645034
Funny how we got a chilean (I assume it's another VPN of the fake kraut) who defend the AR design.
I guess it's not "mutt" when it decides so.
458d48 No.645036
618c6d No.645037
>>645035
>>645036
Oh fuck, I meant Czech.
5cddf5 No.645041
Hey good m8 can you take care of the gookspammer?
618c6d No.645043
>>645039
Any dissenting opinion is called gook opinion now LOL
79d0b4 No.645044
>>645043
>>645039
You spew nogun retarded bullshit, you fucking spammer. GTFO of here.
5cddf5 No.645046
>>645043
>>645039
Would love to get me some equatorial BLFM chinks. The northen ones are too tough. When we are done we can drop dioxin over you too. Win win.
618c6d No.645047
>>645044
You present one good AR and try to pass it as the norm.
I'm gonna stick to my vietnamese root and prefer actual Gas-operated design. Long stroke-piston is best.
4fa44e No.645048
>>645047
I thought you were one of the sellout gooks my grandpa fucked during deployment?
The DI is actually your root, not combloc guns.
Being an amerimutt and larping as one of the fleeing traitor gooks
SAD
618c6d No.645049
>>645048
Even the Southern Viets prefer the AK when they got it.
M16 is way too fucking long for small asian frame.
M4 is okay at length, but I still prefer long stroke piston.
ccf9dc No.645053
>>645013
>Yeah, and how many others do you think jam up and work like shit after that much fouling
If properly lubricated an AR-15 won't jam. Why don't you show me some examples of properly lubricated quality AR's jamming up?
618c6d No.645054
>>645053
>properly lubricated
Nigger, since when does an AK need properly lubrication? Just fucking clean it with water.
0b7473 No.645061
>>645054
>since when does an AK need properly lubrication? Just fucking clean it with water.
503b00 No.645071
>>645061
t. american AK
I love americans (as a people) but european make better guns, yes, even better AR.
Fucking asian make better AR i.e. T91.
0b7473 No.645081
>>645071
t. nogunsspergook
how the fuck is it any better than any run of the mill AR?
c6b6ce No.645084
>>645081
Shit. Runs. Cleaner.
85b588 No.645087
>>644938
See
>>644763
>I encountered a few issues.
>The PSA buffer tube was too long, and allowed the BCG to strike the buffer threads, do not shoot your PA-10 out of the box
>This is a big issue, PSA uses their own proprietary buffer length, which is supposed to be similar to the Vltor AR-10 tube, which is deep enough to allow the use of Ar-15 buffers, instead of the shorty .308 buffers. The solution is to use one to two quarters as spacers in the buffer tube, to prevent overtravel of the BCG. I also had another unrelated issue with the buffer tube, the piece that retains the buffer detent chipped off, allowing the buffer detent to pop out. This doesn't impact the function of the rifle, but makes disassembly a little more inconvenient
Oh yeah you admitted the rifle is sub-par in the OP. Not good for the price if it doesn't work correctly out of the box.
556080 No.645094
>>645061
If I recall that failure came from bad headspacing, not anything maintenance related.
59379f No.645095
>>644916
A .308 AR15 is not an AR10
85b588 No.645096
>>645095
Details? Not too familiar with a .308 AR15. How isn't an AR10?
556080 No.645098
>>645096
Most AR-10's on the market are just AR-10's scaled up for said .308/6.5CM.
556080 No.645099
>>645098
err I mean AR-15's in the second half.
85b588 No.645100
>>645098
Right! Didnt look at the above responding posts. Typical US correct term is just .308 AR. Lol didn't read
59379f No.645101
>>645096
The changes that were made between the original AR10 and the AR15 were carried over by Stoner when he designed the SR25 which makes many parts between the originals and the modern ones incompatible, also the original AR10s came full auto from the factory.
AR10
>lighter than almost all SR25 clones
>mags are unique, no other magazines fit, lightweight aluminium "waffle" design
>barrel has aluminium heatsink hidden under the handguard which helps keep cool the barrel it actually works quite well but the downside is it makes the handguard heat up rather quick
>full auto from factory, selector goes FULL-SAFE-SEMI whereas the AR15 and its derivatives go SAFE-SEMI-FULL
>hook style charging handle
>BCG is quite different, lighter carrier with wider bottom rails and both bolt and carrier are stainless steel
>pivot pin isn't retained like the AR15
I don't care that much about people calling their SR25 clones "AR10's", I was just shitposting earlier.
ccf9dc No.645200
>>645087
>Not good for the price if it doesn't work correctly out of the box.
But it was good for the price? Just because it doesn't work immediately doesn't mean it's a bad deal.
>>645084
Have you every fired either an AK or an AR? An AK runs just as dirty as an AR, especially with cheap ammo.
>>645054
Since always, and so does the FAL, G3, and every other gun on the planet. Do you think the russian or chinese military didn't lube their AK's? Do you think niggers in africa or dirt farmers in the ME don't have their AK's jam?
The AK may require a bit less maintenance than an AR, but it is superior in every other way, lighter, more accurate, more reliable in adverse environments, in line recoil, and easier to maintain and repair.
>>645071
>Fucking asian make better AR i.e. T91.
You have literal meme knowledge, every piece of information that resides in your skull is based on nothing but hit air and other peoples half baked opinions. kys
ccf9dc No.645201
>>645095
>Clean my room
Make me, chucklefuck.
ccf9dc No.645202
70ad77 No.645205
>>645201
Careful now, his AR-10 is actually properly designed and built.
435a65 No.645214
>>645200
>Have you every fired either an AK or an AR? An AK runs just as dirty as an AR, especially with cheap ammo.
Shoot both and I really prefer the AK due to its compactness and the open sights. Neither jammed.
>Do you think the russian or chinese military didn't lube their AK's? Do you think niggers in africa or dirt farmers in the ME don't have their AK's jam?
The Vietcong guerilla didn't carry fucking lubrication oil with them.
You know what they do to clean their gun? They go to the nearest river, strip the AK and wash it like they wash dish.
>You have literal meme knowledge, every piece of information that resides in your skull is based on nothing but hit air and other peoples half baked opinions. kys
Heard nothing but good things about the T91, even the ones imported to the US recently.
ccf9dc No.645260
>>645214
>You know what they do to clean their gun? They go to the nearest river, strip the AK and wash it like they wash dish.
Source?
>Heard nothing but good things about the T91
But what makes it better than a normal AR aside from "hurr it shits where it eats". It's more complex and weights considerably more, while bringing nothing to the table.
07a4d5 No.645261
>>645260
>Source?
By the Vietcong having no "lubrication oil" except water.
>But what makes it better than a normal AR aside from "hurr it shits where it eats". It's more complex and weights considerably more, while bringing nothing to the table.
Well, again, shit runs cleaner so you require LESS maintenance.
ccf9dc No.645267
>>645261
The AK runs just as dirty as an AR, the AK's need for less matinence doesn't come from it's long stroke piston system. A T-91 will require just as much lubricant as a normal AR.
>Well, again, shit runs cleaner so you require LESS maintenance.
Fouling in the AR will not impede it's function unless it is improperly lubricated.
75c9d6 No.645279
>>645214
>>645261
>they use no oil at all!
>trust me! they also make their ammo out of dirt and rice husks!
Jesus fucking Christ you need to go back to wherever you came from. The VC had cleaning kits and oil bottles from the same places they got their rifles, ammo, medical supplies and chest rigs. The thought of them materializing AKs and SKS out of thin air and keeping them running on mudwater and ammo they willed into existence is pure fudd retardation or warhammer 40k ork tier thinking.
59379f No.645282
>>645201
>Make me, chucklefuck.
<pack of youths breaks into OPs house at 3am
<OP grabs his AR10
<takes aim, pulls trigger
<gun jams because its a poorly made piece of shit
<retreats to his bedroom to get his backup gun
<can't find backup gun in time because room is a mess
<proceeds to get culturally enriched
>>645261
>Well, again, shit runs cleaner so you require LESS maintenance.
Except its more "open" so more shit gets in whereas the AR15 is relatively sealed. I know people like to shit on the mud tests that Inrange did as being "hurrrr duuuurrrrr unrealistic" but I know for a fact that the US and NZ militaries (and probably many others) do much more punishing tests during trials.
As for the AR15, well Filthy14 ran fine for the most part for over 40,000 rounds with just regular lubrication (no cleaning) even though the inside of it looked dirtier than an engine that had never seen an oil change
72127a No.645294
>>645279
We do have document on what kind of supplies the VC have regarding their rifles, ammo, medical supplies.
I haven't seen any mention of lubrication oil for guns, oil for mechanics sure, but for guns, no.
75c9d6 No.645296
>>645294
Look at the fucking standard issue oilier kit I just posted. They all had bottles like this with minor variations depending on country and factory for weapon maintenance.
e873f6 No.645297
52c55c No.645321
>>645200 (wasted dubs)
>But it was good for the price? Just because it doesn't work immediately doesn't mean it's a bad deal.
If you buy a factory new car have to put more money into it just to get it working properly without the dealership doing it for you, must be a good deal right? You probably think PBR is a good beer too.
e6471b No.645333
>sperggook/spergkike/spergmutt/muttspammer changed IP to shit up another thread
>an actual gun thread
>"armed force that issues the AK didnt use gun oil"
…
01c3be No.645334
>>645333
Man makes mistake.
e6471b No.645335
>>645297
That is not even a source. But it is not surprising that you get your "knowledge" like that instead of actually shooting guns and using your brain for once.
01c3be No.645337
>>645335
When I use AK, I have never ever needed to clean it with oil.
Water is already enough.
01c3be No.645339
>>645333
>sperggook/spergkike/spergmutt/muttspammer
I wonder when will this meme end, probably as soon as the spergkike/fake kraut leaves.
But as said, truth fears no investigation.
e6471b No.645340
>>645337
IF you were a gook, you would be issued an ak with assorted kit if you were conscripted. Your ass would get rightfully beaten when they found out you dont even bother to clean the rifle properly despite instructions and available supply, decreasing the weapon's service life.
But what am I doing again.
Reported as everyone should do.
01c3be No.645341
>>645340
>IF you were a gook, you would be issued an ak with assorted kit if you were conscripted.
Again, I'm talking about vietcong who are irregular troops.
>Your ass would get rightfully beaten when they found out you dont even bother to clean the rifle properly despite instructions and available supply, decreasing the weapon's service life.
Please do provide proof of what you are saying. In vietnamese regulation back in the 70s.
>Reported as everyone should do.
Again, why do you report me?
e6471b No.645342
>>645341
You cant own any AK for private purpose in Nam. Well, certainly not you. If you were to use an AK at any point in time for a period long enough that you had to maintain the rifle, you would be 100% conscripted or enlisted. Which we know you are not.
But I wont get down to your level of subhuman retardadation into imagining what would happen to soldiers who get found out that they only ever cleaned their rifles with water the entire time in the base.
Reported.
01c3be No.645344
>>645342
So again no proof of what are saying vs experience I have talking with actual veterans and my own experience handling the rifle.
Nice.
>Reported.
Again, why do you report me?
e6471b No.645345
>>645344
Im sure you can privately own an AK in Vietnam, gook.
And those war vets never lubricated any mechanical device despite you yourself just found out one of the gun oil variations they used.
01c3be No.645346
>>645345
>And those war vets never lubricated any mechanical device despite you yourself just found out one of the gun oil variations they used.
Vehicles, machine sure. That is necessary and documented, even down to the brand of oil.
But as a viet, I have never seen that package of gun oil.
1ee202 No.645422
>>645346
Oi cunt, nogun cunts are not welcome here.
a397aa No.645923
>>645200
>Just because it doesn't work immediately doesn't mean it's a bad deal.
Say that again but slower.
85b588 No.645975
>OP realized he bought a shit rifle
>didn't respond
>probably blew up when shooting
>OP is kill
ccf9dc No.645990
>>645975
>didn't respond
To what
85b588 No.646104
>>645990
Everyone shitting on him
ccf9dc No.646105
a3bb7b No.646153
>>646105
>can't take a joke
No wonder you bought a PSA then
ccf9dc No.646196
>>646153
Son, PSA is a mans company, ain't no joking about that. Attacking American industry will not be tolerated here, snowflake.
ccf9dc No.646226
>>646204
I THINK I'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM YOU SNOWFLAKE.... WHILE PSA IS OUT THERE ARMING HARD WORKING AMERICANS... WHAT ARE YOU DOING.......
61a67f No.646231
>>646226
AMEN BROTHER… ANOTHER FELLOW MARINE IN THE AREA
59379f No.646237
>>646226
>WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Not spending my time making threads on anonymous image boards for the purpose of seeking approval for my poor purchase decisions from people who I have never met and then getting buttmad when they make fun of me.
ccf9dc No.646619
>>646237
I"VE HEARD ANOUGH YOU YUROTRASH FAGGOT