/k/ - Weapons

>being so retarded that rather than searching which organs and arteries are vital for the body to survive, you make an abhorrent shitpost asking for which calibers are big enough to "one hit kill"

>>643341

>At what point does ammunition become sufficiently huge that one shot kills/the exit channel is so big that recovery is not a practical option

You still believe in the stopping power meme, which is only half true.

A large and powerful bullet from a high powered cartridge when fired will have more terminal velocity and of course, bigger momentum due to the increased mass and of course the gaping hole that is proportional to the caliber of the bullet and the bullet's design FMJ, soft point or hollow point, etc.

But if you don't hit the central nervous or major organs the target would likely still capable of firing back or slashing the hell out of you. This is where the whole terminal velocity and impact comes in. The temporal cavity created by the impact and penetration can disrupt the nerves and the organ in its path. The bigger this cavity is, the more likely it can hit the places where it needs to hit. The permanent cavity is the famous gaping hole you heard about.

So technically speaking, every modern cartridge that passes the FBI gel test 12 inches of penetration and permanent cavity is very fatal. But the more powerful the cartridge is, the higher the chance you can neutralize the target if you just aim and shoot at his torso generically.

But I would say 5.56 and .308 hunting round are very lethal. 5.56 can create multiple permanent would cavities on impact with appropriate terminal velocities and good bullets. And .308 hollow point? You can google it yourself it is not pretty

>The idea is to help me make my tacticool operators tabletop that much more accurate/Streloklike.

At your current level of knowledge you won't be able to do this.

>>643343

Shoo shoo hairy gyro-man. Save your wrath for the commies and the kikes. and amerimutts too

Case in point. Generic slavshit .308 soft point.

The shockwave at first is the temporal cavity, and what remained is permanent duh.

Think about what kind of disruption that shockwave can cause to the nerves and organs in its path. And you can pretty much assume that anything on the path of the permanent cavity is gone. Ballistic gel seeks to emulate the human flesh. And if it passes 12 inches, you can assume that it can penetrate entirely through a human torso, bones included.

>>643341

CHECK THE CATO-LOG WE HAVE QUESTION THREAD

>>643355

>implying that thread is still usable

>>643341

>>546766

>>643346

>>643345

Pretty good post aside from the stealth muttposting.

So to make sure, use .50 caliber, preferably .50BMG, no human is going to survive that (unless very lucky).

>>643341

>At what point does ammunition become sufficiently huge that the exit channel is so big that recovery is not a practical option.

155mm, hollowpoint.

>>643365

>stealth muttposting

Piss off you are not going to contribute, cunt.

>>643341

In real life it has to leave about 1500J in the body center mass in order to shock the cardiovascular system into paralyzing a person.

That doesn't mean a bullet with 1500J energy, it means a bullet that leaves that much energy in the body. For example if its approaching the body at 2000J, and it exits the body with 500J, you did the job.

Anything less than that usually doesn't work, and anything much less than 900J just leaves a simple icepick wound.

>>643375

Filtered, muttposting is no contribution.

>>643380

filtered for mutt

>>643378

filtered for sperg

>>643377

filtered for mutt

>>643375

filtered for sperg

>>643374

filtered for mutt

>>643365

filtered for sperg

>>643357

filtered for mutt

>>643356

filtered for sperg

>>643365

>So to make sure, use .50 caliber, preferably .50BMG, no human is going to survive that (unless very lucky).

Realistically aside from mounted guns and some sniper rifles (that I rather thought were classified as anti-material althought I dont know if that's just pc for splatty) is there much in the personal weapon range that is 50 cal?

Everything under could potentially take mutliple guts shots and walk/crawl out if unlucky?

>>643388

>"sniper" rifles

>Everything under ".50 cal" could potentially take mutliple guts shots and walk/crawl out if unlucky?

M8, I think you really need to read more on guns before you post. And lurk even longer.

>>643396

Board is just under attack by this one gooklarping amerimuttcunt. The hostility isn't meant for you.

But you should read more on guns

Maybe visit an actual range

454 Casull

Next question

>>643415

What are they gonna do, attack us with spades?

>>643417

Why are you baiting like this? Do you want to be used as test subject for the PZ ammo reproduction also?

>>643419

>talking shit about spades

>>643424

令人印象深刻的是，中国龙再次展示了它的量子爪。

但是现在删除这个机密视频。

>>643438

>You gonna spill your intestines all over the floor but you won't be dead instantly. If a team of skilled and equipped medics were just happen to be nearby

>If a team of skilled and equipped medics were just happen to be nearby

Nice bait.

But if you entered coma after that kind of trauma, wouldn't you be dead already? The bloodloss and the infections would set in almost immediately.

>>643435

>sperkraut boogeyman

Not a boogeyman, just an old retard. You've already given yourself out by sperging both now and before. Now all the concerned people know the root of the problem.

>we are having a real sperg ruining every thread with fake complaints

Yeah, he's using an Unknown flag and several VPNs, who'd have guessed?

>>643441

>the infections would set in almost immediately

Put at least some effort into imitating discussion to disguise your subversive shitposting.

>>643443

>Being this fucking ass blasted

And you just demonstrated you know nothing about how VPNs work or what would not happen if you uses multiple VPNs in the same browser session.

I'm beginning to suspect you are the spergook here.

>subversive shitposting.

>IT IS MUH BOARD AND ONLY MINE

What a sad little creature. Anyway, please elaborate the discussion further by telling us how a person would survive a .50 BMG direct hit in the guts under 1 km.

Please. I mean I made 2 replies from the start already. They were not too bad. But you?

>sperkraut spergook subversive

Ask any deer hunter who uses high power rifle, yes there are survivable shots with soft point ammunition and high power rifles, but very few points on the body can be hit without major damage, and when it comes to center mass and head, most hits will probably be fatal. When someone is accidentally shot in the field with, say, a 270 or a 30-06 with expanding ammunition, then survives, its considered a near miracle. Things can be worse for a human than a deer with a torso shot in the fact that a hunter throwing a round on a deer and gut shooting it might have a wound that is all gut, with temporary and permanent cavitation far away from the up front critical organs, also low enough to maybe not affect the spine; the human torso sees many critical organs not that far off the guts, the spine relatively closer to the rest of the torso.

Is my battle rifle filled with soft points a guaranteed one stop shot? No. But honestly it comes reasonably close. I've read somewhere too that there aren't recorded cases of anyone not wearing body armor taking more than one direct shot of 12 gauge buckshot to the torso (all pellets hitting, not a few grazers) and not been incapcaitated. Thus, history and case studies suggest that if your first direct blow to the chest of an attacker with your double barrel shotgun full of buckshot doesn't stop him, theoretical statistics say the second one should.

But gut shots, as a topic to itself, are interesting. I've read on soldiers with gut shots who lived and sometimes were ambulatory after massive gut wounds that managed to miss the major blood vessels and spine. A gut shot deer or other large game is a bad scenario, not only will it ruin the meat but a really poor shot will lead to an animal that can track a long ways, a long time. Multiple gut shot handgun wounds have put many a man into intensive medical care with variable long term outcomes, but also the least effective stopping instances for center torso shots when they only go through intestine, and again, miss the really vital shit.

As been mentioned, place of hit and how the round does its work is all important. There's no video game points system, its the real life damage to real life systems that count. Blow off most of a man's arm with a 20mm canon, you might be surprised if he comes to, gets a tourniquet, keeps fighting in extreme men in extreme scenarios.

Its not so much the "magic round" that guarntees the one stop shot, its the hit and how the hit is done. Just that some rounds are vastly, vastly, vastly superior in this regard.

>>643421

Has anyone gotten gel to pop from temproary cavity being so big?

>>643433

>>643443

Reminder that spergook/muttspammer only posts to "complain" about some bullshit and never actually posts about guns, or he would babble some bullshit a nogun cuck would say. Like this fuckface does.

Report and filter.

>>643448

Yes, I shouldn't have taken the bait, but I couldn't let the fucker derail the thread by defaming me.

>>643447

I don't think many gun hobbyists ever doubted the power of the .50 BMG on soft targets. So this is probably one of the few recorded tests out there.

>>643446

Someone should do a gel test of the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer to see if temporal cavities can ever be as deadly as permanent cavities, kek.

>>643453

Would it be terminally destructive if all it does is passing through the target?

But since the mass is so low, would it even pass through a human torso completely before getting deformed from the violence of the likely Mach 5 impact?

Some rich niggers need to get on this asap.

>>643445

>you know nothing about how VPNs work

>if you uses multiple VPNs in the same browser session

>same browser session

Don't try to be honest when your main goal is spreading lies. You out yourself.

>Anyway, please elaborate the discussion further by telling us how a person would survive a .50 BMG direct hit in the guts under 1 km.

Sure, losing the lower half of the body, while will lead to extreme blood loss and loss of consciousness, don't disable the brain and so could be survived, provided immediate medical help. And if you're using FMJ you're getting even less damage. And even brain damage can be suvived - there were cases of people recovering from getting shot in the head, iirc even with shotgun after suicide failure.

>They were not too bad

No, they were worse.

>sperkraut spergook

>oh no i've been found out

Yes, yes, we get that you're trying to conflate these two. You can stop now.

>>643455

>>643443

>>643433

>Didn't answer OP and first post is meta bitching just like sperg-x does

Nice try, spermutt/gook.

Reported.

>>643459

Nice non-reply, getting creative with screenshot names. Do you think nobody realizes that if you post a screenshot of a single browser session that'll magically show all your other ones, be it different browsers, computers or sessions?

>>643463

Could it be that you report spam non-stop so that BO can't filter reports of your own posts?

>>643455

And to add to your garbage post, the chance of surving direct hits to the brains or major arteries is almost zero. And no medic team is always on standby to save you.

But nice job copying what other Russian flag said. Surely we can't see that you have done exactly what spergook is known for. Namely nogun posting and fake complaints.

>>643465

Because that is all I took in this thread, retarded scum. Anons are right, reported for meta bitching and not contributing to the thread. You ousted yourself, spergook.

>>643467

Does calling everyone spergook really work? It didn't seem to have any effect last time you did that.

>>643467

>the chance of surving direct hits to the brains or major arteries is almost zero

Almost zero and zero are very different things

>And no medic team is always on standby to save you.

Then just about any gunshot would would do. You'll die from blood loss and infection when shot in the intestines even with a 22.

Talk about garbage posts.

One last bump just so any lurker that isn't repulsed by the spergs can read about terminal ballistic reality.

>>643474

>He repeated what others wrote one more time

One last (you)

And report

>>643475

Hey, it wasy you who was pretending to start arguing, not me. Just because someone else said something similar doesn't mean i'm wrong. But have a report in return, if you like it so much. I doubt it'll do anything, though. The board is almost dead inside anyway.

>>643417

I've met a guy who survived a 40mm bofors AP round. Hit him right on the outside of the leftside torso and took out a huge amount of his liver and organs there. Couldn't walk for three years, still has a gaping U shaped hole in that side. Humans are stupidly durable cunts.

>>643341

Most bullets that pass about the 16 inch mark for bare ballistic gel are going to punch clean through the torso. Given that you're trying to exclude spine injuries, I'm guessing

>The victim involved is very large

>You're trying to find a way for the victim to not be paralyzed

Which means that the minimum gel penetration results that should be taken into account for large game is 30". If you're looking to stop someone dead in their tracks, you want veins, arteries and nerves damages to trigger flinch responses in nerve clusters-powerful pistol rounds such as 10mm and revolver cartridges such as .357 magnum and up with large bullet expansion on hit can do this. If you want complete annihilation, you need massive expansion and/or explosives within the bullet, starting with .50BMG. An important point to note- full metal jacket rounds do not expand and actually increase the chance of people surviving a confrontation. General buttnaked is a great example of this.

TLDR;

Assuming you shot the cunt at 50m:

3 shots hollowpoint 44 magnum: He's done, and most large game is terminal

5.56 hollowpoint: Going to need immediate trauma team in the next 30 seconds, else kebab removed

.308 hollowpoint: Kebab removed even harder

.308 or 8mm explosive round: Kebab B Gone

Expanding shotgun slug to center mass = fucking dead on the spot, permanent wound channel extends to nearly 34 inches, with a gaping hole an inch in diameter

45-70 government expansion- Organ salad, wound channel on gel extends 28 inches, wound channel 3/4 of an inch

.50 BMG high explosive tracer: Nothing left of whatever you hit, it's chunky salsa from the bullet impact alone, the explosive is the icing on the cake that turns it into puree

20mm cannon explosive: The field around them for 10m is now fertilized with blood and bone and entire torsos go absent

30mm: The above but even harder

REMINDER TO EVERYONE WHO HAS FORGOTTEN THE FUNDAMENTAL RULE OF THE INTERNET

D N F T T

>>643482

I filtered it.

>>643481

>40mm bofors AP

Which range?

>full metal jacket rounds do not expand and actually increase the chance of people surviving a confrontation

But if the whole bullet is not strong enough to withstand the impact, it can fragmentate. Which is how the 5.56 earns it reputation. Best not forget to mention this lest the cunts start spewing memes about how 5.56 isn't deadly.

>>643483

If teh bullet fragments but lacks the velocity/energy for permanent stretch cavities, it may actually decrease the damage the bullet will do. Also 55 grain ball wasn't always guaranteed to fragment the way you wanted it to every time, change up barrel lengths and range of shot and you really screw that up. Old fragmenting ball is still inferior to hunting bullets in that caliber, plus newer ball doesn't fragment in many situations. That's also why 5.56 has gained its reputation for ice picking.

>>643481

>I've met a guy who survived a 40mm bofors AP round.

Sound like total bullshit.

>>643475

>sperg

>call other sperg

Who does he mean by this?

>>643482

If it exists there's porn of it?

>>643520

Don't feed the troll.

>>643341

>muh size

Err, no sweetie

>>643491

I too prefer consistent performance, which hunting bullets provide.