/k/ - Weapons

>>638069

>>638073

>>638072

>>638070

>>638068

>>638067

>>638066

Are you having fun playing with yourself OP?

>>638072

That third one looks like some shit out of Perfect Dark.

>>638110

>Istanbul

Not Constantinople?

>>638117

Yes Istanbul

Not Constantinople

>>638119

Been a long time gone, Constantinople

>>638112

This

>>638149

But Strelok, I'm just curious,

Why did Constantinople get the works?

>>638149

It is a song.

>>638220

that pic is hilarious. it actualy reads "Mount me from above"

>>638159

nigga that aint nobodies business but the turks

>>638597

It's truly forward-thinking. In countries where the laws require trigger locks while transporting guns, it gives you both a means of firing it in an emergency anyway, and plausible deniability for why it fired.

>sorry officer, in the commotion the sear must have gotten bumped purely by accident, tragically shooting the church-going aspiring doctor-rapper. It's a known flaw in the design and there's nobody to be blamed, shikata ga nai :^)

>>639927

It reminds me of the Swedish MKR.

I wish the burgers had forced a microcalibre round onto NATO instead of 5.56 and 7.62.

>>639976

>Designed with internal magazine rather than something useful

Why?

Also, how would you aim a PAPOP? Is it muh cameras?

>>640025

>how would you aim a PAPOP

According to Kikepedia those little square tabs on the top, the ones that would break off the first time you dropped the thing, are LCD screens with sighting displays.

>>640079

>Basicallly you pop open a side panel on the magazine, flip a tab to retract the follower inside, put your clip in, close the panel and release the tab again.

How the hell did they manage to make something that's even worse than ww1 French rifles? They could have used a clip like the Garand; they could have made a replaceable magazine that can be loaded in the rifle like the Lee-Enfiled; they could have made it belt-fed with a feed system similar to what the Schwarzlose machine gun has. Instead they invented a rectangular wheel.

>>640090

>Instead they invented a rectangular wheel

They're German engineers

>Have a particular part of a project you're working on

>There's a standardised solution that everyone uses perfectly well and that just works

>The superior Teutonic mind can improve on this!!!!

>There are several hundred other ways of preforming this function, all well known, all with their own disadvantages (their inferiority being the reason that the standard method is standard)

>Spend 2 hours designing something worse than all of them

>Spend several months coming up with reasons that your shit tier solution is actually very useful

>If anyone questions your work just scream "INNOVATIVE!" at them until they go away, then return to your room and weep as you masturbate to a photo of Albert Speer and wonder whether they'll ever greenlight your project to build a submarine out of bread.

>>640095

>t. needed germans to fix their own rifle

>>640096

>t. so insecure about the inferiority of their cartridge that they screw over small arms development for everyone

>>640095

To be fair, it's still an imporvement over the dump-loading of the Ross Mark I. Although it's nearly the same system, just with the addition of a clip to hold the cartridges in place. But then you could add a charger guide to the Ross and then it would work just like any other charger-loaded firearm, with the unnecessary option to throw in a few loose cartridges. I think I'm going to get a stroke from this abomination of a loading system.

>>640100

>It's not as bad as the Ross Rifle

I suppose so, an I hope it's proud of itself.

>>640079

That sounds a lot like that clip/belt device that one captured Mg08 has. You know the one.

>>640090

>>640095

>The superior Teutonic mind can improve on this!!!!

Without experimentation there is no innovation.

>>640123

This is true, and the Germans have done some amazing things over the years. But for every stunning advance you do produce a fair few "Wait, Hans, what the fuck!" ideas or designs. Don't take friendly joshing as an insult mate.

>>640130

>"Wait, Hans, what the fuck!"

Since 1871

I want to build an A1 Ar-15 but in 6.5 Cm for that Space Age look and a ballistic profile that would match it.

>>640099

I have one and just thinking about it makes me irrationally upset about how they weren't further developed.

>>641764

I love how that 1959 NBC gear looks like something a /k/ommando would put together in his garage for the day when S finally HTF.

>>642127

>>642142

>There's no advanced technology that stays advanced forever

True, it's just that at the moment the late '50s experimental gear is at just about the level that anybody with more spare time than things to do could put together without special training or experience and only a few days at the drawing board.

>Mark my words: give it enough time and we'll eventually see some madman riding a garage-built BigDog into battle, wearing a powered exoskeleton that he converted into some kind of jury-rigged lorica squamata by slapping as many AR500 plates on there as he could find, and wielding a Mosin-Nagant like a lance, skewering ATF agents in the back as they flee from him in terror whilst giggling like a lunatic as their bullets harmlessly bounce off him.

It's as beautiful as it is inevitable, except - hang on

>Lorica Squamata

For having such pleb tier taste in armour that faggot needs a bullet to the head. It's not bad enough to get me cheering for the ATF over the newfag in that scenario, but if he couldn't be bothered to put together even a Lorica Segmentata then he deserves everything he gets.

>>642152

>infanterist der zukunft

>all components linked by bluetooth

>So modular that you'll either never have the right bits or be carrying twice the weight a soldier already has to deal with

>'Constant improvement' design plan that worked so well for your tanks in the '40s

>all available now for only far too much money

mmmm, not quiet maximum autism, but still very tasty; do you think the EU armed forces are going to like it?

>>642147

Lorica segmentata definitely wins based on style alone, but from an ease-of-construction standpoint, it's got to be much simpler to put some holes in a hardened steel plate and hang it from some kind of backing material to make lorica squamata than it would be to have to bend hardened steel plates to curve around the body like you'd need in order to make lorica segmentata. Plus, there's the ease of obtaining the construction materials - for squamata, you just bulk-buy a fuckton of steel targets. Hell, hanging targets already have the holes drilled through them already. It'd be as simple as "Add to cart (Qty: 500)", then you nig-rig them onto your robosuit and become death, destroyer of worlds.

>>642243

>do you think the EU armed forces are going to like it?

Not enough gizmos and gadgets. It's a good start, but the zogbots would still be more man than machine, and that just ain't right.

>>642353

Looking at this goodness, i guess i'll just reference my post in other thread.

>>641938

>>642342

>an ease-of-construction standpoint

If the guy is building a Big-Dog style combat mount then I think it's a fair assumption that he has the resources, ability, and autism to build something at least based on the segmentata. By that point you could probably buy centimetre thick sheets of carbon nanatube at your local hardware store (or something equally over the top), put a gambeson type waistcoat underneath (liquid armour?) and he's sorted, for torso shots at least. Then again, if he's fighting as cavalry he'd probably be better going for a Cataphracts armour, which would be closer to your original suggestion.

>>642369

Holy shit, this one would be dislocating entire torso when firing.

>>642382

From what I could see from a quick search it mostly seems to be computer kit. Or at least that's the stuff they're happy to talk about.

>>642379

>That FAl

Oh, God, no.

>Holster

Comes with the feature of shooting the wearer in the shoulder in critical situations, very handy for pacifying women and/or retarded.

>>642382

This one is meh. They've been trying to pull off old "bigger is better" with the caliber but designed unwieldy shit that adds like 100m to VSS range but is not only heavy and unwieldy which is awful at these distances, but is incompatible with the ammo used in other guns using this caliber. Other things like PP-2000 also follow the trend, just with fire rate. Add amount of propaganda and wuss to taste.

>>642385

What was the purpose of the MR-C beyond making the average infantry man look like he belongs in Halo? Was it just a amalgam of various memes?

>>642390

It didn't even get to prototype phase. It's not even a meme.

>>642559

1. There reaches a point in any technology where you can't improve anymore. It may take longer for certain technologies, sometimes development takes longer and the technology is still in development. You WILL get a better smartphone in the future, you WON'T get a better claw hammer which hasn't improved in 2,000 years. Machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, ect., reached apogee decades ago. The revolutions are long, long, long over.

2. Domineering faggots in the US and Russia force their design upon the rest of the world. Soviets flooded the world with AK's, now the US is using the lure of military contracts to foreign companies as a way to get places like H&K to adopt their designs for new mass production, slowly pushing arms production towards 'Murica" first, eventually pushing Stoner's shitty AR on the entire (formerly) free world.

Basically we all get to eat modern neo-imperialism. The Soviet's made sure their design was pushed on their sphere, now the US is playing catchup to push the Whizz Kids Magic Super Moon Shooting Space Gun on the rest of the world decades after standarization in the US military. First the US bullied NATO into dropping a proper intermediate cartridge, then they went to too small an intermediate cartridge and then forced THAT on NATO, now they are finally getting to pushing their "Murican" AR. They basically cry and scream and throw fits and use their leverage to push their own way against the rest of the west, and they get away with it because they can.

>>642559

Innovation is risky. It costs a lot of money to develop something new, and if it doesn't work much better than what is already available there is a big chance that nobody will ever buy it.

>>642565

>There reaches a point in any technology where you can't improve anymore.

I disagree based on the definition of "improve", you can always improve anything. Let's take the claw hammer for an example. Let's say that your current claw hammer does what it is meant to do. But it costs 2$. A guy comes along and makes a new hammer that costs 1$ and does the same job, but the handle is uncomfortable to hold.

Do you consider it an improvement because it's cheaper and does the same job, or the opposite, because it's uncomfortable. Improvements can only be measured in certain aspects.

In firearms terms, a cheaper gun that lasts longer may be an improvement for a gunsmith, but if it can't hit shit it's the opposite for a soldier. Improvement depends on your choice or priorities.

>>642565

This, but i think it's also the gun-hating trend across EU that is to blame. Firearms are so restricted and controlled that almost any manufacturing industry is fated to either go bankrupt or be kept alive by the state support and protectionism, and the states aren't as interested in home gun industry, because of the political situation and aforementioned trends too, so it can just choose a more economic decision of buying guns from some 3rd party that is out of reach and local regulations, especially if you ignore strategical disadvantages of that approach.

>>642565

>Machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, ect., reached apogee decades ago. The revolutions are long, long, long over.

Up until a combination of new technologies and doctrines makes all current military small arms a hinderance in a firefight. But for that to happen we need a war where those technologies and doctrines can prove themselves.

>>642571

didnt loads of firearms manufactureres shut down years because no one is buying their guns?

theres many times america has set up programs just to drop them at the last minute and fucking everyone over

>>642570

That is a good point. S&W being a familiar example, because of manufacturing changes the revolvers in the civilian market stay the same price or slightly drop, with inflation in the US this means the guns are technically getting cheaper as the money devalues. They are durable, still good, but they aren't nearly as good as they used to be without hand fitting and lapping by a master, that brought up the price. The new "improved" CNC dominated revolvers are cheap and effective, without the bells and whistles, and just plain not as nice, to keep them affordable in an autoloader dominated market.

Indeed, many a product goes backwards to go forward. A very good point.

>>642571

I'll agree, take a look at what pro gun laws and low gun prices in the US leads to, a massive and powerful civilian market that keeps a vibrant and large industry in business. Despite all the hate for the M14, despite its short stay in the US military as a frontline line infantry rifle, Springfield has made money making a semi auto civilian version long after the M16 came to prominence in the military. The civilian market can keep certain guns and companies (Springfield is a new company, not original Springfield, but still) alive long after military contracts end. Auto Ordnance is still putting together semi auto Tommy guns for the public, a design about a century old, on equipment that's sometimes almost as old, long after newer submachine guns dominated the market for security and military and police.

You have hunting rifle and shotgun companies in Europe, and you have the major military arms makers, that's it. One survives off a restricted but often rich specialty market and the other by the state. No room for anything like the US, so another very good point.

>>642573

What technologies and doctrines do you see on the horizon that will make heavy and light infantry in their current state obsolete?

>>642578

Sure, there's no denying that, but loss of markets even in the home country of a company and lack of support that these companies once got(even if it's just less strict regulations/other barriers or tax cuts) did significant amount of damage and heavily hindered development. Just yesterday i've posted some of my research about Belgian VBR company and its creations. It's been doing alright, with some selling designs and was pretty open to customers, with detailed information, research and stuff, but was almost shut down and reduced to selling all its stuff to government agents only. All despite their round, for example, being designed to NOT be a threat against vests in non-AP configuration.

>>642582

>What technologies and doctrines do you see on the horizon that will make heavy and light infantry in their current state obsolete?

Artillery. I mean, modern artillery will wipe out any large formations that are outside of a city, and so in the future all infantry combat will be like Stalingrad. Now, if you with today's technology wanted to outfit an infantry division for Stalingrad, then you'd end up with something rather different from what you see today. Here is just this single piece of technology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(munition)

A thermobaric version of this weapon would be incredibly effective inside a city, a pair of barely trained riflemen would be deadlier that an pair of excellent snipers. This one weapon alone could force an army to rethink its body armour.

>>642584

>like a good citizen subject.

>>638124

that's nobodies business but the turks

>>638233

>can into runes

>burgerflag

Found you, Cletus Xiangzhou IIIrd. How's the uyghur genocide workin' out for ya?

>>642915

What's with pole on /k/ and their fascination with turk, arab and muslim.

Are you the resident turk?

>>642921

He is probably cuckpole, don't mind him.

>>640130

For every one Angl*scum crying, "Wait, Hans, what the fuck?", there are twenty voices screaming in reply, "Wait, Nigel, what the fuck?"

>>642980

>rail

>on the mag

Don't worry, goy, just buy anuddah Magpul™ RVG® for each mag.

>>640032

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>>639976

According to me, those are made of resin and broken dreams.

>barrel almost never as low as the wrist

When will the future care about accuracy? All the low barrel guns win this contest hands down.

>>645371

Can't find all that much information on them, or much more than a few promotional pics. Was there anything interesting about them besides the weird firing position?

>>645392

The thing never made it to prototyping, it's literally a very early "concept" for a possible requirement of GL/rifle as it was the trend.

They're models, not guns.

>>645383

>'The Mars Automatic Pistol was rejected by the British War Office as a possible replacement for the Webley & Scott revolver, then in service with the British Army, because of the unacceptably large recoil, considerable muzzle flash, and mechanical complexity. The captain in charge of tests of the Mars at the Naval Gunnery School in 1902 observed, "No one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again". Shooting the Mars pistol was described as "singularly unpleasant and alarming".'

>half a decade of development, testing and revisal

>reasonably ahead of its time

>mechanically fiddly with a heavy trigger pull, but continually improves in reliability

>vomits several inches of long recoil assemblage every time it fires, C96 eat your heart out

>spits cartridges directly backwards to show how much it loves the shooter

>flounders because Hugh Gabbet-Fairfax is slow to work and refuses to fork develop into a mass producible proof-of-concept variant nor one chambering anything less powerful & more commercially viable than one of his limited production proprietary bottlenecked mega-magnum cartridges dumping .45 caliber at twice the velocity of .45 ACP or a smaller cartridge down to .33 caliber even faster

Was it autism?

>>647370

What's wrong with 5.7 and HK stuff :(

I like the five seven purely for the meme of it and the HK P7 because muh squeeze cock :)

>>647545

5.7's problem is explained by ivan easily, i.e you're paying a premium for something that at best is 9mm. HK on the other hand is price for some folk and their lackluster customer service. I love the shit out of the Mk23, ain't no manlet gun.

>>647541

I enjoyed doing so.

>>647543

Englishmen are insane.

>>647547

Ain't no frog, nor leaf. Wrong side of the continent.

>>647548

You're Mexican?

>>647548

Nein.