/k/ - Weapons

>>636860

>Rails are too strong. Small-arms fire won't do anything. You will need a lot of explosives to do enough damage that could possess a threat to the train. We're talking destroying an entire meter worth of track in order for the train to actually crash.

Just blow up the diesel fuel depot at the station.

>How do military bases get electrical power and how is the security?

They usually have in depended Disel generators in case niggers like you try any funny shit with power supply

>Damaging train tracks to derail enemy supply trains

Just steal 2 to 10 meters of the rail like polish hobos do and sell it as scrap metal

>Where and how deep are underground lines/pipes placed for supplying water and electrical energy to the enemy?

Depends on terrain and country, sometimes they run on surface, sometimes they are in between 2-5 meters underground

>How to effectively take out transmission towers?

I guess you would have to damage its base

inb4 ABW niggers are onto me now for this post

You can answer all these questions in a couple of minutes of searching.

Grid power isn't important to the enemy until they have secured the area and are using it for war production. Same goes for mains water.

If you actually want to make things hard before they have secured the area you need to focus on transportation to stop them getting resupply. This will involve focusing on airports and docks with the best way to block docks being dropping gantry cranes into shallow births.

>>636966

>C1

>RDX, tetryl and nitrocellulose

Which of these do you believe is highly sensitive or prone to chemical instability?

NC is a toy, it's not going to DDT without you putting in effort to make that happen.

RDX isn't prone to self confinement until you have a single pile of several kilos.

read papers instead of recycling all the same old bullshit that has been on the net for decades

Inconveniencing the rail system means jack shit, and will solely make the general public angry at you. The military has next to no use for it, it's all done by truck nowadays, and 99.9% of its use is for commercial freighting and passenger transport. Only exception would be if you're trying to isolate a specific FoB or similar. Regardless, the american rail system is extremely redundant, unlike the electrical system, so rendering two or three sections of line somewhere useless for a week just means that rail traffic will be slightly more congested, not that it'll come anywhere near stopping.

>>636852

>>Damaging train tracks to derail enemy supply trains

Train Wreck Experiments To Derail Trains World War Two Archive Footage WDTVLIVE42

We're not actually breaking any laws by talking about how to fuck up an entire continent's infrastructure within 24 hours, right?

>>636980

As always local laws apply. If you country has anything like the "patriot act" then you can probably be held indefinitely without trial if some alphabet fuckstick decides it'll be good for a laugh.

>>636982

>>636985

Dog bless freedom

You guys have some how successfully destroyed some rail and some power stations. So now you guys have all the attention on you.

You did it in the wrong order. You need to set up a diversion, a distraction of massive scale that demands more eyes on that.

>Go innawoods or innafield.

>Preferably somewhere where train tracks run.

>Use a magifying glass and toilet paper roll near or on some pitch stumps to start a good sized fire.

Do this in large forests with a pine beetle infestation for best results. Have other people around the state/country do the same.

Our nation cannot handle three concurrent fires the size of the Yellowstone blaze. Yellowstone alone drained the entire nation of wildland firefighters.

You now have placed military and civic planners in a rock and a hard place situation. Do you divert money and manpower to fight the fire or the insurgents? Do you waste money saving a political donor's fifth home innawoods? Do you waste time evacuating the citizens? Do you move resources out of the areas at risk of fire? Do you even mention that the fires were set by the insurgents?

You at that point, have caused enough chaos to do as you please.

Also, fuck going after rails alone, destroying highways and airstrips will do more damage overtime.

PS, this plan will also work in Canada.

>>637003

No.

>>637006

Not really, all it would take is a few people that are not active in the insurgency to mention that the forests had been a tinderbox long before any partisan action took place. Add in that the government would fail more than it would succeed in managing fires of that magnitude. Then with shit in the cities no longer having power, it will look like the government cannot protect the most basic needs.

And keep in mind, the fires don't have to be in populated areas at the beginning. It could be a rash of medium sized fires in hard to reach places, then the large fires near populations.

>>637008

Jesus christ. Think, sit down and actually think about this position for one second. You are destroying people's homes. The government is fighting against your destruction of non-combatant's homes. You are a fucking insurgency, not attacking foreign soil. Hmm, what could possibly be the issue? It doesn't matter if they're spread thin or not, you are actively destroying not only your public opinion, but also your manpower base, for 0 gain period, and at the same fucking time painting the government in good light as they are in fact trying to genuinely help out civilians.

>>637006

>Why would it?

Loss of offsite power, loss of outside communications, niggers raiding the plant to recharge phone batteries and incompetent plant operators shutting it down or screwing up otherwise due to stress.

>>637009

The action has to be fast, we all know that.

One can't win a prolonged war, or some conflict long enought for the government to rev up it's propaganda machine.

It must be a swift action, when it succeeds and you are the system yourself, nobody will care about some collateral damage.

We obviously talk about a scenario now when the normalfags haven't joined in yet, where a small group of not even 0.1% of the US population is the vanguard.

But you have a point. Simply going sperg rage and burn down some small forest isn't gonna work. There must be a nationwide action, like 4c8247 implied. And of course preparations for active, passive, postive and negative international involvement.

Read Machiavelli The Prince, Chapter 16+17.

>>636955

they already were for posting here

But they're in an undecisive tie whether to arrange your suicide, accident, or just upload their personal picks of CP on your computer

>>637013

To be fair you only have that impression because of our latitude and climate. Only mediterranean-type pine forests produce such unstoppable fronts of fire due to their ecological adaptations (Aleppo and Turkish Pine and I presume also Eucalypti utilize forest fire to eliminate competitive species and have even evolved incendiary elements like exploding cones and bark to help spread the fire) and general climate most other forest fire stop on their own after a while without the need for human intervention.

t. forestry bachelor's

>>636860

>We're talking destroying an entire meter worth of track in order for the train to actually crash.

<what is a derailing shoe?

>>636973

>Regardless, the american rail system is extremely redundant, unlike the electrical system, so rendering two or three sections of line somewhere useless for a week just means that rail traffic will be slightly more congested, not that it'll come anywhere near stopping.

Have you checked the traffic patterns for the coal trains in the US that are used to fuel the coal plants that keep the grid up? Noticed any choke points?

Just let off a EMP, simple

>>636852

Well, hypothetically for theoretical, academic discussion if you're engaging in an fictitious insurgency;

>How do military bases get electrical power

It depends on the base, some have their own generating facilities…while others rely on the commercial external grid. All bases have ancillary means of power, such as generators/solar arrays, ect…and this is the military we're talking about here, operating without a stable and readily available power source is apart of their capabilities.

>How is the security?

Extensive and robust. Non-nuke generating facilities are generally contract security trained to DoE standards…Nuke generating facilities are guard by DoE-NNSA personnel…all personnel regardless of facility are armed, trained, and have lethal RoE.

>Where to do damage substations for critical failure?

In industrial areas, of course at night, using something like high tensile steel cable thrown across lines of larger transformers, causing arc and burnout. Use a tool like a modified pole pike, peavey, hookaroon, or pick to puncture the oil and coolant drums of the transformers, and leave behind anti-vehicular devices such as caltrops or spike strips to disable any responding vehicles, be it local administrative enforcement or repair personnel. Silence is the key.

>Damaging train tracks to derail enemy supply trains?

You can't and won't. Modern railroad utilizes CBTC/CTC (Communication-Based Train Control/Centralized Traffic Control) both utilize a frequency over the rail line to transmit data. Every segment of rail is electrified with a low-volt system, the moment a section of track was damaged they'd know. Also, any stretch of rail that is going to have an impact if damaged/removed will also be heavily traveled, with a train passing every hour to every half-hour…nowhere enough time to preform any kind of covert track sabotage. Also, during contingency operations sections of track become US Government property strictly for government/military use as outlined in STRACNET.

Where and how deep are underground lines/pipes place for supplying water and electrical energy to the enemy?

Water is not generally piped any great distance, it's normally drawn from a reservoir or tower into a treatment plant at a nearby urban area, it's piping is also heavily decentralized after it leaves the treatment plant…much of it redundant to serve as ancillary aqueducts in the event of a pipe burst or sheer.

>How to effectively take out transmission towers?

You can't and won't. It would require an extremely large amount of explosives to do any significant damage to a tower. It would also require to be detonated using an analog remote detonator because the lines themselves would interfere with any wireless remote detonator. Tackling substations, switching stations, and transformers is far easier, requires less resources, can be done covertly, and all by an individual.

Direct attack won't do shit to the system. Paranoia is a much better weapon. Start spreading rumours the KKK poisoned KFC's fried chicken support and all the baby formula has cement in it. Great a complete mind fuck where no one can trust any of the food in a supermarket.

Remember the snipers who made everyone paranoid to put gas in their cars? Same deal. Just utterly fuck all forms of security and leave people afraid the government can't protect them. Once you get that rolling and your psy ops are working you start problems the government has to respond to. But you can't just start 1 near new york and consider it a day. You need to spend a month doing nothing but moving and starting fires. And if you want to be a real dick start hitting up crop fields to cause a food supply problem. A team of maybe 20 guys would do a shit load of damage to the infrastructure as listed here but it wouldn't cause serious problems. Niggers would riot and the government would clean up the mess when they're done. Unless you can force a nigger riot and cause outside trouble at the same time it's a waste of time.

>>651800

>the moment any sections of track are damaged they'd know

Then don't damage the track itself. Apparently, all you need is to lay a metal wedge on the rails.

But like >>651803 pointed out, no amount of damaged infrastructure will bring about a change in government. For that to happen, you need to exile/lock up/kill those in power.

Why focus on taking away power? We all know it's easy, just shoot transformers and insulators. A couple streloks with a bubbaed rifle and a mofa can do that job.

Let's focus on more difficult tasks, like preventing an enemy from reaching a city with wheeled vehicles.

How would /k/ block a road, or make it impassable? Tank barriers are an option. Back in my army time we learned how to set charges on trees to blow up part of the stem and fell them quicker than using a chainsaw to create blockades.

Obtaining trailer trucks as well as busses to block major roads is also a good option. Just make sure to burn them after you have them in position so they can't just be wired and driven away by those trying to pass.

Blowing up bridges takes a lot of effort and knowledge, unless you live in a country that expected to get invaded by the Russians in the past century. Then most of them will have tiny manholes somewhere, which you can stuff with explosives and take out the bridge very effectively. It takes 1x5kg charge for each hole over here, that's standardized.

Using a jackhammer to destroy the top layers and then going to town with a small bagger or a couple guys with shovels can also completely block a road. A 50cm drop that is 1 meter wide will make the entire section impassable for most road vehicles.

>>637013

This is very underrated.

Forestfires are a massive threat, an the way the US tries to prevent them is by spotting smaller fires before they get big and putting them out.

If you manage to start a fire already too big to properly exstinguish with whatever means they have locally, you pretty much created a fire that will fuck up the surroundings very quickly.

Using a watering can to spread gasoline in a large area and then setting it on fire at multiple spots will completely take away any chance of putting out the before they lose control over it with local means. You just gotta get away fast enough, or they will catch you.

>>637018

Powerplants are 90% automated. They only have personnel there for maintenance work, for security, for documenting maintenance, and for taking the blame if anything goes wrong.

>>636852

Red Team friend here. You are lazy Glow man. Just Lazy.

In addition to red team gaming, let me share with some information on how the US power grid works because clearly you are behind on your white paper. Well let me share it after I look at this thread a minute.

>>637013

Works Great with California that's for sure. We need the aussies to hand out more eucalyptus trees.

>>637071

Cutting the power to opposition potentials creates openings and opportunity if you can do it right, which if you, (yes you anon!) study hard enough using openly unclassified data and theory you could theoretically target areas to cut the power to people you don't like (Unfortunately if you are targeting specific areas, there will be Canadian Causalities. Canada and US share a power grid.)

>>651777

Trips of Truth Friend. If you can get one.

>>651800

First thing- Checked.

> Point one

True. Good Job.

> Point Two

Ehhhhhhhhh Depends really on where the power plant is at. Grid security is only taken seriously in certain areas, namely Texas, Illinois, Florida, and New York (oddly). California is kind of retarded about their power structure and has unrealistic goals. It's almost like it wants to kill itself. Military Bases, oh fuck yes the power sources and bases are secure.

> Point 3

Also some rural areas famalam. Seriously good assessment.

>Point 4

YUP. You have to really know your shit how to down a rail system and have some shit that most on here could never obtain. There are easier ways to fuck with rail transportation that killing the rail.

> Point 5.

No arguments.

>Point 6

Fantastic job friend.

Alright sorry to put up a second shit post so forgive me friends. First mister glow person, realize that I wrote all this for legal purposes to understand the weaknesses in the system to better defend it and /k/ is a board of peace. It is in my nature to do things from the Red Team, pen test perspective.

>Let's talk about how the US does power infrastructure protection!

First let's get some basic information of the way, this will be helpful in understanding how the US (and Canadian oddly) power grid is laid out. First there are five main Grids in North America, with a few subgrids (this isn't the official name, but that doesn't matter unless you work for the DOE or something else I am about to explain) These grids are The Eastern, Western, Texas, Quebec and Alaskan interconnect, with the alaskan one being the least significant. These are divided along the rocky mountains. Fun fact about the Texas Interconnect: it doesn't cover all of Texas. The only plant that serves all three (if it's actually in service) is the Tres Amigas power plant in New Mexico. This may be confusing as how this touches an Eastern Interchange/Interconnect (I can't fucking remember the term because I only have a somewhat rudimentary red team education on this) but think of it like this: The Three interchanges (plus alaska and quebec) are based around their position in relation to the Rocky Mountains. Anything East of it, is technically eastern or Texas. Anything on it or West of it is Western. This gives us an idea which grids are connected where.

Second let's look at who governs the grid security, how it is handled. Note that this is information you can literally get from a college text book and research a little further (if you have a degree in national security or other fun public administration degrees…) First and foremost: all parts of critical infrastructure belong to these wonderful things Called ISACS. An ISAC is an Information Sharing and Analysis Center. There are two main electrical ones, and (interesting note) half a dozen rail ones. Most of these are focused on bomb threats and are critically undermanned, however people who weasel there way into these roles are usually pretty fucking smart as the pay is good and security is usually good (or so I have been told, I have been lied to before) So keep that in mind. The ISACS for the power grid are the NERC and E-ISAC. There names don't mean much, but it is important to note that the NERC is basically a community of power companies working together. That and YOU CAN LITERALLY GAIN INFORMATION FROM THESE INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH CLEVER SOCIAL NETWORKING I SHIT YOU NOT. You can literally go on the NERC home page and research the US Power Grid if you are not too retarded. But back to the point– these ISACS fall under the national response framework and answer to FEMA. So when you decide to channel your inner warlord and go take a few pot shots like whoever Mister Metcalf did, remember- it's going to be a cluster fuck of legal proportions unless you can convice your lawyer you were drunk like the Arkansas grid attacker https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/arkansas-man-sentenced-15-years-attacks-central-arkansas-power-grid-0

Let me continue on this in the next post.

>>651846

Continued:

Assuming you are mister Mecalf, and you are upset at whatever or you just want the world to swallow the black pill- how do we cause a cascade effect? Honestly a few trained squirrels can help but let's look at some historical issues.

First let's look at the biggest black out in recentish memory.

> https://archive.fo/AcXiH

From the article, you can read that a race condition bug, in C code caused a problem in Ohio, that caused widespread blackouts throughout the North East. So- a power outage in Ohio can cause outages in New York due to the way the grid was connected back then. How about now?

> https://archive.fo/J0lNP

So the US has been hardening and modernizing it's grid since 2003, however even considering this, the grid is still weak to physical or even theoretical hacking attacks. While an attack in Ohio, will no longer cause New York city to be on suicide alert, An attack in Baltimore or Jersey could do the same thing if done well. So using maps and other things that are available, one could, with some training and research, pick and choose the points in the grid that they wish to attack to shut off the power for a region.

>>651838

>Obtaining trailer trucks as well as busses to block major roads is also a good option. Just make sure to burn them after you have them in position so they can't just be wired and driven away by those trying to pass.

Which would only last until the guy with a sufficiently large vehicle and a tow chain drags the hulk to the side of the road. A barricade you can't keep people off of isn't a barricade.

>>651800

>both utilize a frequency over the rail line to transmit data. Every segment of rail is electrified with a low-volt system, the moment a section of track was damaged they'd know

Does the old trick of "close the circuit with a pair of jumper cables to drop the signals at both ends of the block" still work? Granted, all that'd do is make them send the next train through at restricted speed.

>>651803

>Remember the snipers who made everyone paranoid to put gas in their cars?

I actually don't. When/where was this?

>>651920

>Which would only last until the guy with a sufficiently large vehicle and a tow chain drags the hulk to the side of the road. A barricade you can't keep people off of isn't a barricade.

I would personally mine it so EOD would have to be called out. Alternatively, you could put fill dirt and shit into to increase the weight.

>I actually don't. When/where was this?

DC sniper attack.

>>636852

>Damaging train tracks to derail enemy supply trains

Its better to attack the trains directly rather than sabotaging track. Find out which trains are carrying volatile chemicals and hit those cars with API rounds until you get a big kaboom or hazmat spill.

>>636985

>because it's illegal to talk about your experience if it happens to you.

since when anything being illegal ever stopped anyone? If you were tortured by the gov't and made it out alive, whyh would you care anymore?

>>651920

>Does the old trick of "close the circuit with a pair of jumper cables to drop the signals at both ends of the block" still work? Granted, all that'd do is make them send the next train through at restricted speed.

That does indeed still work and would be a viable means of tying up equipment and personnel by closing the circuit in various areas along a section of track.

>>637000

Why magnifying glass and toilet paper? Seems kind of unreliable compared to some of the mixtures laid out in various improvised weapon books over the years.

>>636964

I wonder how accurate that is.

>>651846

Effective use of open source intelligence is fascinating.

>>652061

The issue is what you did becomes apparent after the first set.

>>653197

That's true, but the railroad still has to send out a crew to remove each pair of cables, while not disabling it does heavily disrupt rail operations.

>>636985

> or even have a copy of an Islamic State document on your hard drive

Good thing Aussie parliament passed a law that ASIO can legally plant evidence on your electronic devices and then deny they ever did so.

< Really makes you think….

American infrastructure is the best

IMO water is 6x more important and vulnerable than electricity.

Everyone has decentralized electricity in their cars, and you could airdrop in $20 12v/110 converters by the million in a few days, allowing people to run fridges, TVs, etc on subsistence level. Hospitals, most apts and condos, and even "community centers" etc now have their own backup gen-sets. A few convoys of semi-trucks hauling gen-sets and fuel could get things back to semi-normal fast.

But you can't truck in, or even RR in anything close to the amount of water a large town needs, much less a city. And without vast amounts of fresh treated clean water disease will start to spread, demanding ever more water. Lack of clean water will be what empties cities, not lack of power, food or auto fuel.

>>663215

>IMO water is 6x more important and vulnerable than electricity.

It is 6x as important, but not nearly as vulnerable as you think.

>Everyone has decentralized electricity in their cars, and you could airdrop in $20 12v/110 converters by the million in a few days, allowing people to run fridges, TVs, etc on subsistence level.

If there is a large enough threat to the power infrastructure to mobilize airdrops of 12v converters, than problems have gone beyond the need for a refrigerator, TV, ect…

>Hospitals, most apts and condos, and even "community centers" etc now have their own backup gen-sets.

With a single 10,000gal tank of diesel. Unless a facility falls under a priority umbrella to receive fuel allocation like a hospital or government center, those gensets are simply to lessen the inconvenience of short-term power outages.

>A few convoys of semi-trucks hauling gen-sets and fuel could get things back to semi-normal fast.

Which is something Gov't isn't going to waste resources and time on. If things have gotten so bad that masses of retail gensets are required to sustain an area due to a long-term rolling event that has so badly impacted the regional grid and somehow created a non-permissive environment for repair crews, that would require an amount of retail gensets which commercial vendors would be unable to supply and fuel would be allocated as a strategic resource. The fuel supplied with the initial convey would be burned up in 72 hours. It takes 25 hopper carts of coal to generate power for a small metro area over a week, a few semis of gas isn't going to cut it.

>But you can't truck in, or even RR in anything close to the amount of water a large town needs, much less a city. And without vast amounts of fresh treated clean water disease will start to spread, demanding ever more water. Lack of clean water will be what empties cities, not lack of power, food or auto fuel.

Sure, but unless you have the means to disrupt water treatment/supply and maintain a non-permissive environment to prevent repair or treatment, then your just blowing smoke up your own ass.

>>663438

>then your just blowing smoke up your own ass.

Interestingly enough, that was once considered a treatment for drowning.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJbwGYaDs

>>636975

so 60" out of one track 30" out of another will do it

>>662529

The proper term would be "glownigging."

>>636852

>>665470

>on a curve about 6" of track on either side or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyVj6kt2zA

>>636860

standard burial is 18"-6' but can be as deep as 24'. this is standardized by the International Building Code or Universal Building code and local law.

I actually once saw a county fire department cut a DOD fiber line putting in a fire line (fire hydrant). the FBI showed up.

>>665470

just make a shitload of thermite and slag a couple meters at a time. or make a derailer wedge that you can bolt or weld onto the rail. or both for maximum effectiveness. slag one side, and put the wedge on the other.