/k/ - Weapons

Well it wasn't much of a battle, as it was more of a operational level retardness taking place.

>before winter war

>because of the pants on the head-retarded decisions finnish army had virtually no anti-tank weapons, because apparently you're not supposed to be able to use tanks up here in the north according to the french experts that came to visit after the first world war

>this believe was maintained despite russians openly developing and showing off their ever improving tank-forces for almost a decade, and thus, fuck all was done in order to get or develop any serious anti-tank capability

So, winter war starts. And we have no anti-tank weapons. And we are not getting anti-tank weapons through official channels because of finnish organizational incompetence. However, it turns out there was atleast this one guy living in finland that was not particularly happy about sitting his thumb up in his ass. Because of that trait, he was rich due to businesses he had established. I can't remember guys name though.

>this guy notices that this anti-tank weapon related retardation is getting so very tiresome

>he goes to sweden, gets a bankloan, talks to every politician he can get his hands on

>manages to get a permission from the swedish parliament to purchase anti-tank weapons as a private citizen of a foreign country

>bofors anti-tank guns with ammunition get transferred to finnish lapland via railway

>everyone scrambles around trying to organazise the transfer of these anti-tank guns into the frontlines, as currently the only effective methods with dealing with tanks were hiding and hoping that they drive into a anti-tank mine/IED, or hoping that tankers and enemy infantry manage nor to notice the pioneers that need to get within 4-8 meters in order to throw a satchel charge onto the engine block

>but there's a problem, things must be done correctly and properly, it turns out guy didn't have his anti tank gun license, and was thusly a criminal, meaning that clearly his anti-tank guns must be confiscated

>someone from the high command headquarters send a telegram, demanding that the confiscated goods are to be transferred to Helsinki, other side of the country so that some of those guns can be sent back to Lapland which would take atleast a week or two, and it would absolutely mean that Soviets could have cut off Finland in half with a single armored battalion and some accompanying infantry of they so damn chose to

>guy who bought those anti tank guns, responds to the telegram by telling the headquarters that he will have these train wagons loaded with guns and ammo pushed into the the next time they telegram him something as retarded as that ever again

>headquarters chose not to reply except with a court and short acknowledgement

>army group in the Lapland get all the guns they wanted and rest of the guns are sent south, with units with artillery elements taking a gun or two along the way

>goverment officials for some odd reason chose not to press charges against this dubious arms smuggler

Battle of Taierzhuang is one of massive incompitence on both sides.

>1938, ROC getting ass handed to em by the nips

>5th warzone has no fucking troops cause chiang hated the guts of the commander

>Holding a key railway hub that goes north-south and East-west AND lies on the grand canal with no troops

>Literally in the centre of the nip advance

<Chiang realizes he's an idiot. Reionforces area.

>Literally the plan is to hold the village and the old garison from the Ming era.

>Literally conscripts all teh fucking civvies in the area. Dress them up as farmers, reinforce with actual units

>Nips for some reason don't realize a shitty village has the population of a ~200,000 to 400,000 people. (Most of the civvies ran or died).

>only actual decent units are 51st corps and "peacekeeping" force from Jiangsu.

>Battle starts with these farmers becoming Jugoslav partians minus the weapons.

>Japs try to take the city BY FRONTAL ASSAULT when they could've just bombed the damn walls.

>Fail. Decide to turn the fort into rubble by bombing it

>Stalingrad 2.0

>ROC troops run out of bullets and weapons. Start bitchslapping people with bricks and biting them to death the latter may be legend

>Japanese bring tanks in

>ROC has no anti-tank weapons

>Suicide bombing is a solution.

>MFW imagine a bunch of kids running with a piece of metal that looked like a machete with TNT strapped to them like the terrorists in CNC generals

>Nips retreat

>All of it is caught on film by an American Cameraman.

In other words, a fight over something that should have no strategic importance as the original junction was fucking outside the village. Both sides were fucking idiots

>Be mao

>Commies in southern China getting their shit kicked in

>Goes on long march.

>Could've just gone through central Gansu

>Goes through bullshit march near tibet to solidify power

>Goes through the "heroic battle at Luding bridge" where they supposedly had to cross chain linked bridges without planks and kill a machine gun nest

<True story is that they just basicly went there, and shot the tibetans who didn't agree.

>BUT MUH GLORIOUS HEROES WHO SECURED THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION

>Later on commies get their shit kicked in by pitchfork and wooden spear wielding warlords.

>>635693

>end up just fucking around in the crater because no one really prepared for this part

Well, the black soldiers were actually briefed and trained for it. They were to go around the crater. Fearing political backlash, they put them in the back, and the guy that took over didn't bother telling his men what was going to go down. So the attack was delayed, giving enough time for the Confederate troops to recover, and they charged right into the hole, which was were the second wave was supposed to go, once the first wave established security in front of the crater. Honestly, if there's a lesson to be learned, it's that bad leadership can fuck you up more than the enemy all on his own.

Battle of Sedan.

>Franco-Prussian war

>French are already in trouble after losing a couple battles

>only good French troops left are pulled back to protect Paris

>Reserves are redirected towards Metz over Sedan to relieve the siege of Metz

>complete logistical clusterfuck

>1 (one) rail line available to feed 130.000 men

>half the troops are already starving

>meanwhile Germans are advancing towards Paris fast

>so fast that they too run out of supplies

>simply buy stuff from the local peasants, all is well

>Germans stumble upon the troops in Sedan

>French are ordered to GTFO by the king of France himself, who is present at the time

>everyone follows his order

>pick a good spot to run away from

>at the same time Germans decide attack

>pick the same spot to attack

>Germans prevent French breakout

>French commander wounded

>gives command to a competent guy

>even though incompetent guy was supposed to take command if the French general was incapacitated

>competent guy gives order to retreat towards the north

>incompetent guy takes command and orders the troops to attack in the south

>the same direction the Germans were trying to attack from again

>pre-WWI CQC develops

>even French civvies join in to protect their home-town

>Despite "heavy losses" the Bavarians manage to get a foothold inside the city

>decide it's not worth the effort and simply shell the rest of the city

>city set on fire due to heavy artillery, despite most buildings being made from stone

>city captured by Bavarians

>French are now entirely surrounded

>French General Ducrot (the competent guy) quoted with "Nous sommes dans un pot de chambre et nous y serons emmerdés"

>English: "We are now sitting in a toilet bowl, and they are about to shit down on us."

>incompetent guy orders his troops to reinforce the far east, but decides to attack in the north with the remaining troops

>French cavalry commander leading the attack dies as soon as the battle begins

>German northern flank only held by reservists and weakened troops

>beaten back, but the French units are almost entirely gone

>new German reserves arrive and advance towards the south through the French survivors

>meanwhile the French are defending against an attack in the east

>weakened French units flee into the forests

>Germans decide it's not worth it to follow them

>shell the forests

>many thousands surrendered in the forests alone

>French incompetent commander (named Wimpffen, no typo) has the one and only good idea of his entire career: attack with all remaining forces in one spot and attempt to GTFO

>picks the town of Balan

>charges

>no Germans in sight, attempts to go further

>now in range of German artillery

>shelled into pieces

>French officers won't follow Wimpffen's orders anylonger, because even they know that he is an incompetent piece of shit

>They retreat towards a fort and raise a white flag

>Germans send two diplomats

>demand that the french surrender

>SURPRIZE: king of France, Napoleon the third, was among those who retreated into the fort

>Wimpffen demands that his troops are released towards Algiers or France under the condition that they won't continue to fight

>Bismark demands that the French troops surrender and go into German captivity

>Bismark also suggests that his troops could open fire at any moment

>It takes three hours for Wimpffen to realize that he is not only outnumbered, outgunned and surrounded, but also handed the Germans the king of France on a silver plate

>39 generals, 2800 officers and 83.000 soldiers are captured in one move

>21.000 French soldiers have already been captured during the fighting

>total of French soldiers captured: 104.000 men, plus the king of France

>France surrenders two days later, after Paris citizens storm the parliament and demand surrender

>Germans institute a new national holiday called "Sedantag", "Day of (the battle of) Sedan"

>so many captured French soldiers that the Germans run out of space to keep them all

>small pox spreads among the french captives

>this starts an epidemic, which spreads towards the German civilian population

>162.000 German civilians die, because there were too many French POWs

>>635807

Nobody has ever accused Russia of having a good navy.

Russia can ground invade everyone that matters, why the fuck would they bother with budgeting money for ships? When it's at his best they're an area denial navy.

The idea that they would send their ships halfway across the globe arriving completely exhausted to fight off a maritime nation right next door is pure insanity and the Russian admiralty knew full well it was.

But when the Czar say "jump" officers the only response the officers can utter is "how high?"

Also the idea wasn't actually Russian but the brainchild of everyone favorite sperg, the original Krautist, Wilhelm II.

>>635834

The current government stopped existing with it's surrender, and immediately the French third republic took over.

They didn't last long though, it was more a symbolic war at that point. The majority of their army had been captured.

>>635835

>Also the idea wasn't actually Russian but the brainchild of everyone favorite sperg, the original Krautist, Wilhelm II.

Was there anything he didn't fuck up?

Battle of Sudoměř

>Hussite wars

>Hussite forces holed up in the city of Plzeň, but surrounded and outnumbered, know they'll get fucked soon

>negotiate a surrender that guarantees they'll be able to peacefulyl leave and regroup with the main force in exchange for handing over the city

>catholics break the agreement and send a force to fuck them up as they move through the countryside

>catholic force led by heavy cavalry full of nobles that even got nicknamed "the Iron Lords" due to all the armour

>catholics even wait with the attack to get even more reinforcements until they outnumber Hussites 5 to 1 (some sources even claim as much as 10 to 1), in order to make the victory absolutely certain

>Hussite force is mostly peasants

>day of the attack finally comes, Hussites fortify themselves between two lakes (one full, the other drained and full of mud)

>Hussites quickyl assemble wagon fort and wait

>gap between the lakes is small, catholics can't apply their numerical superiority and get pushed back

>decide to attack across the drained lake and thus flank the hussites… with the fucking heavy cavalry

>horses can't walk through so much mud so the knights dismount

>quickly find out that heavily armoured men can't walk in that shit either

>hussite peasants and farmers with pitchforks and shit commence to slaughter heavily armoured noblemen

>hussite victory

and another one, battle of Domažlice:

>fourth crusade against the Hussites (after the three ones before all ended in Hussite triumph)

>catholic force is mostly mercenaries, demoralised from losing battle after battle

>catholics sieging the city of Domažlice, but hear hussite main force is quickly approaching

>too quickly

>fuck.jpg

>scramble to rejoin with other forces and hide behind a wagon fort (shamelessly copied form the Hussites)

>units aren't even in position yet and Hussite singing (hussites sang an army-wide choir before the battle) can already be heard from behind the nearby hill

>panic.png

>pull all units back a little to give more time to regroup before hussites arrive

>units rout instead

>hussites, still singing, arrive to find a nearly empty battlefield full of cannons and other armamets discarded by the routing forces

>"battle" ends nearly without casualties (the cardinal's personal merc division actually stayed and fought and got slaughtered while he fled the battlefield in disguise)

>fourth crusade against Hussites defeated

If anyone is willing to write about Jutland please do. Cause I can't into naval combat.

wont be much use after the US balkanizes

>>635883

>lose 300 men trying to capture an inn

>1100 casualties in total

The Greeks invented the roach motel.

>>635951

>Is it possible that the Chinese really are the worst people on Earth?

An administrative member of my research group had previously been in a job that required dealing with the Chinese, and when she describes her experiences with the country it is with unconcealed disgust, and she is not willing to ever work there again.

This is an employee is a Canadian university, in an admin and PR role, and a woman to boot. If that description doesn't scream "multiculturalist leftist" I don't know what does; yet she was STILL openly contemptuous of the Chinese lack of ethics, and described that people as wholly alien to and appallingly incompatible with fundamental Western morality. She had reached the point where she even opposed the idea of cooperation between our government or universities and theirs in our research field, because she had no faith in the Chinese being able to do it with even the most basic standards or integrity.

They are truly a repulsive people, and even those who usually can't recognize such things are, upon dealing with them, forced to admit it.

>>635808

Yes, I think Finns and Estonians had total of 7 submarines. Personally, I think the idea behind those submarines might have been slightly flawed due to geographical reasons, but what do I know.

>>635954

Does the same apply to the Taiwanese?

>>635951

>Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city for the country wholeheartedly. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I can't cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?

Based, this is how real commander should act

>>635968

What isn't based is how he had his soldiers kill and eat every other living person in the city, with the exception of 400 lucky survivors.

>>635970

Well he did managed to ensure strategic victory this way so id say it was worth it

>>635959

Taiwanese are repulsive in a different way. Literally every single Taiwanese grill that isn't ugly (by their standards) worked as an escort slut, or a "waitress" officially. You see, there's a whole bunch of "KTV bars" in Taiwan but no one goes there for singing. Their KTV escort sluts are called 陪女. When a girl turns 18 headhunters find her and offer "job" that brings 10 times more money than she could get in a normal way. So being a 陪女 is considered A-ok in Taiwan. Nation of depressed cucks killing themselves with work only to get an expensive laid and marry a literal whore afterwards - that's what lolberturdians want for the West as well.

>>635976

I can't think of a single country on the planet that isn't a shithole lad.

>>635979

Not even San Marino?

>>635981

Full of Jews and Italians, their economy is like 60% banks.

>>635982

I heard your cities are shit and filled with wogs now.

>>635974

>that's what lolberturdians want for the West as well

kill yourself retard

>>635976

Nah, Japan would have had China and had plans to use/revive what was left of the old non-retarded nobility. Mao made sure to kill anyone with two brain cells so there could never be a resurgence of any sort of culture again that didn't depend on jewified bugmen.

>control F

>"Somme"

>1 result

>not about the somme

It's literally known as "The great fuckup"

There has never been a bigger disaster than the somme.

>>636000

Then tell us all about it.

Not going to waste my time educating burgers, ok.

>>636002

lol pussy

It's not that i don't want to, it's just not worth it

>>635951

Yes. Here is an incident from the Three Kingdoms, one of the four Chinese classics and arguably the most popular of them:

>Once he [Xuande] asked for lodgings at a household, and a young man came to pay his respects. The lad turned out to be a hunter named Liu An. He wanted to offer the inspector fresh game but, unable to find any, butchered his wife. At dinner Xuande asked, "What kind of meat is this?" "Wolf," replied Liu An. Suspecting nothing, Xuande ate his fill and retired. Toward dawn he went to the rear to fetch his horse and noticed a woman's corpse in the kitchen. Her arms had been carved away. Then Xuande realized what he had eaten and tears of gratitude streamed from his eyes. As Xuande mounted, Liu An said, "I wish I could accompany you, Inspector, but with my elderly mother to care for, I cannot travel." Xuande expressed his thanks and rode out of the district.

>>635693

I happened to go to school with one of his descendants. He used to talk about that battle too.

>>636024

Its very noble to sacrifice ones wife to please the superior of one

>>636033

Cuckpole, is that you?

>>635992

Feel free to provide a counterargument.

>>636014

>thinking nips would do peacekeeping over China so that they could die in gorilla warfare

China would have been balkanised into warlord states (as it liked to do many times throughout history so it's not like it'd outrage anyone), with the warlords being loyal nip puppets with shit-tier armies fit only to suppress any revolt (which would be rare anyway, as the average chink rice farmer didn't give two shits about some commie ideology). Nips didn't plan to actually annex much of China - only a few key points on the coast and that was it. They inteded to puppetise china so that they could milk it for resources.

>>636044

Just to reinforce your point, here is the kikepedia list of their puppet governments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_puppet_states#Japan

>>636054

Would there have been any difference to Nips occupying China or Nips creating 15 different extremely legitimate 100% ethnic Chinese governments who just so happen to be wholly dependent on the Japanese in military, economic and political matters?

>>636039

The cuck thing to do would be to offend the important guest and not sacrifice a w*man

>>635887

>Jutland

Oh boy.

>German Kriegsmarine plans to lure out sections of the Royal Navy Fleet to destroy them individually, as they don't have the strength to win a full scale battle.

>Hope that this will allow them to break the Royal Navy blockade of Germany, allowing them access to the Atlantic to hit British shipping lanes.

>Germans plan to send Vice-Admiral Hipper's battlecruiser squadron (with heavy submarine picket) to lure and destroy Sir David Beatty's battlecruisers that for a critical lynchpin of the blockade.

>British Intelligence intercepts the orders, Sir John Jellicoe leads the Grand Fleet to reinforce Beatty, sailing right over the U-boats while they're still getting ready.

>On the 31st of May Beatty encounters Hipper's squadron while they're still preparing.

>Hipper manages to lure the RN vanguard away from their support and destroys two battlecruisers before Beatty can withdraw.

>Rushed combat leaves German battleships disorganised and unable to effectively participate in the rest of the battle.

>Rest of the German fleet chases Beatty, sailing right towards the Grand Fleet they were trying to avoid.

>Two fleets engage twice before sunset.

>Jellicoe manoeuvres throughout the night, hoping to gain an advantage when the battle continues in the morning.

>Scheer manages to push through a lighter part of the British fleet and returns to port.

>Both navies claim victory.

>Royal Navy commits more ships to the German Blockade.

>British press criticise Jellicoe and the Grand Fleet for not being able to force a decisive battle that would wreck the German fleet.

>German fleets performance used as justification for strengthening the policy of avoiding major naval engagements.

>This German policy, further reinforced by failures to reduce the tonnage gap between the two navies leads them to abandoning surface vessel warfare and switch their focus to submarine warfare on transatlantic shipping.

>"Hey, Hans, that ship over there, the RMS Lusitania, you know - the largest passenger ship on the planet, does it look like a military vessel to you?"

>"Eh, who cares Otto? sink it".

>Well, you know the rest of the story.

<Kriegsmarine losses from Jutland:

<1 battlecruiser, 1 pre-dreadnought, 4 light cruisers, 5 torpedo boats

<2551 KIA, 507 WIA

<2 men awarded the Ordre pour le Merite

<Royal Navy losses from Jutland:

<3 battlecruisers, 3 cruisers, 8 destroyers

<6094 KIA, 674 WIA, 177 POWs

<4 men awarded the VC

>>635886

Does anyone have the image from that thread? I remember what it was but I didn't save it at the time. It always annoys me when screencaps leave out things like that.

>>636005

kek

>>636032

You mean Henry Pleasants? What did he have to say about it?

>>636042

I'll provide a counterargument when I'm given an argument.

>>635973

>Yeah we saved the city from being captured

<We only had to eat all the people in it to save it

They would have been better off abandoning the fucking city if they are just going to make it fucking worthless by eating all of the people who live in it.

>>636125

But the defenders did manage to kill 60,000 enemy soldiers preventing the rebel army from making any further strategic gains following Suiyang's capture, proving once and for all that loyalty>morality :^)

>>636125

It did contributed to strategic victory so i see nothing wrong here

>>636125

He improved it by reducing the chink population

>>636099

Not Pleasants. One of Burnside's descendants. He always joked around about it. He said never to put him in charge of anything.

>>636062

There is no such thing as an "ethnic chinese". There's a gorillion various ethnicities there. If you amplified their nationalism and divided china somewhat around ethnic lines, you could paint Japan as the great liberator or something to that effect.

>>636392

It's kinda funny that the german commanders name was Kesselring. Combat situations where one side is encircled are called "Kesselschlachten" in german which directly translates into cauldron-battle.

>>636392

Fun fact about Monte Cassino

Its kinda big in polish culture and is quite a symbol of poles fighting in ww2 because

>muh we took monte cassino when nobody else could

>>635718

>All of it is caught on film by an American Cameraman.

got any of that sweet footage Sterlok?

>>636513

Removal of kebab was the only thing on their minds at the time.

>>636773

JUST

>>651336

there was a much longer version of this with the whole song and clips of party life next to clips of this war. The Chechen war is in a sense the perfect icon of how fucked 90's russia was, soldiers on heroin, corrupt officers, soldiers selling equipment to the enemy and general incompetence all around. I thought the video was quite moving, but I can't find it anymore so thanks jewtube.

>>635950

the most mind boggling thing about this is that yan faggots didnt fucking think to just fucking leave like 20 000 soldiers besieging and move along with the rest. like, fuck, they dont even need that fucking city/fortress in the first place, why the fuck have they stayed?

>>635815

OH NO NO NO

<5 January 1941

>While flying an Airspeed Oxford for the ATA from Blackpool to RAF Kidlington near Oxford, Amy Johnson went off course in adverse weather conditions.

>Reportedly out of fuel, she bailed out as her aircraft crashed into the Thames Estuary but her body was never recovered.

>In 1999 it was reported that Tom Mitchell, at the time a RAF fighter pilot, claimed to have shot Johnson down when she twice failed to give the correct identification code during the flight.

>He said: "The reason Amy was shot down was because she gave the wrong colour of the day [a signal to identify aircraft known by all British forces] over radio."

>Mitchell explained how the aircraft was sighted and contacted by radio. A request was made for the signal. She gave the wrong one twice.

>"Sixteen rounds of shells were fired and the plane dived into the Thames Estuary. We all thought it was an enemy plane until the next day when we read the papers and discovered it was Amy. The officers told us never to tell anyone what happened."

Is this the first wahmen in the air force blunder? All the earlier female pilot accidents that I can find were just civilian flights.

>>651430

>"Wilkingtonshire sir, these yank tourists want to ride our military transport over to France"

>"You wot? Don't these pillocks know there's a bloody good romp going on over there?"

>"No worries sire, I'll contact Woodrow Wilson."

<One phonecall later

>"He said it will go swimmingly"

<Cue German submarine

>"Mr. President, the Lusitania carrying military equipment Americans has been sunk by the Germans"

>"Who saw that one coming :^)"

>>651736

Heh, what can I say? Guns and alcohol don't mix well.

>>665098

I'm really surprised that the involvement of experienced mercs and overwhelming advantage of numbers didn't turn the tide. Rhodies and Saffers should've known how to organize the nogs and lead the attack.

>>665099

If I give you a mountain of dogshit and tell you to build me a skyscraper, would you think I was fucking with you? You would say "I can't make anything so grand and glorious with a mountain of dogshit, certainly not a skyscraper! I can't build anything with this! You are mad!"

I would say you were right. No matter how good an engineer or craftsman you are, you just can't make anything good with dogshit.

So why are you demanding so much from those mercenaries?

>>665099

I'm pretty sure the main source of their problems came from the Irish having a handful of interwar period armored cars and they had no AT to speak of to deal with them.

>>636082

Fucking bong, the Germans engaged in unrestricted sub warfare for the very fact that the allied bastards were using civilian vessels for military purposes. Similar to why they stopped rescuing the survivors after the laconia incident, the allies fucked up and pissed off the germans on several occasions which led to them giving no fucks and pushing their shit in.

>>636513

Kebabs gotta get removed one way or another, comrade.

For the motherland!

>>665098

Yeah, siege of jadotville was good movie *sips*

>>665108

They did quite well considering the odds, idk how accurate the movie is, but some things I could gather were

>trenches are only fortified positions

>all ammunition cached in small hut

>not having AT/AA

>not having larger stores of food and water

>outdated ww1 MG mounted on jeep

and not to start a religious debate, but gathering in one place in the middle of a combat zone is generally frowned upon, they can pray in the trenches like their grandpappys did in the great war.

Fixes to this would be

>more sandbags/jap style bunker

>disperse boxes of ammunition all throughout the camp, so that there is no one target, and if one does get destroyed then a majority of munition stores still remain.

>Take the LAW and uncle SAM on your african safari

>same deal as ammo, but maybe partially bury it, preferably in a dispersed manner as well

>take an actual MG like a real man, also an armored car or two, or three… would be incredibly useful for avoiding enemy bullets and distributing yours more easily, downside would be a visible target for enemy CAS, which may very well get your lads BTFO or burnt to a crisp if you dont have your wits about you.

And for the jap bunker bit, they could have easily felled a dozen or so of the local forestry and built a simple pill box with a small opening or two for ammo dispersal, this also has the benefit of not having to duck the entire time out of fear of losing your hat.

>>665138

There is a reason why the Vickers is on the jeep, its fucking heavy but in no way unreliable.

The Somme 1st July to 28th November 1916 one of tho bloodiest battles in history.

France is getting a kicking at Verdun and wants a relief action to keep German troops away from that battle, British and French launch a mass attack on the German trenches 57,000+ British losses on the first day.

350,000+ British

26,000 Canadians

23,000 Australian

7,000 New Zealand

3,000 South African

Total 419,654 British and Commonwealth 204,253 French and minimum 450,000 German casualties with 210,486 dead or missing 146,431 allied and 164,055 German.

Tbh Verdun was worse.

>>635703

>An European

>An

>European

>Slavs

>European

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>669725

>Eastern European

>Somehow not European

This is your mind on burger "education", I guess.

>>665098

>Swedes and Indians don't bother to break through the mercs' rearguard despite it being flimsy as tits

>mercs had a Fouga as well

There was something (((strange))) about this fight.

>>635951

They made a movie about this where they tried to paint it as a heroic thing and never mentioned killing people for food. Apparently civilians just willingly laid down and died to serve soldiers.

>>636099

The argument is that human base nature is that men are randy dogs willing to work themselves to death to get their dick wet, and women are degenerate whores in love with their own destruction.

Removing social and legal barriers simply makes this basic biological nature get amplified, which results in the entire society looking like Taiwan.

Now please make a counterargument.

>>635962

>muh artillery

>muh aircraft

>nothing to defend them

This also doesnt work if you wake up to find the russian motor rifle commander is siping tea in your artillery bases and airfields' canteens. Nobody just shrugs off hundred and fifty thousand armored vehicles…. even America would have trouble with the volume where the country has an army, every state has an army, one of three citizens are armed and one in ten has a pipe bomb or knows how to make one.

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