/k/ - Weapons

Hungary stronk?

God I can't wait for Golden Dawn.

Keep it up hungarybros. Death to Romania and Bulgarians.

>>633785

Soon.

>>633786

Please, not the Bulgarians… By Zeus, have mercy.

>>633788

You guys have a huge fleet of Leopards if I'm not mistaken. What's bad about them?

>>633788

Leclercs are superior for invading foreign lands due to all-around protection against ATGMs. Leopards are better for defense due to superior frontal armor.

>>633789

Leopards, just like every other modern MBT (with the exception of the Leclerc), have paper-thin side hull and turret armor. Shitty half a century old RPGs and ATGMs can penetrate them like butter.

>>633789

>You guys have a huge fleet of Leopards if I'm not mistaken

Correct

>What's bad about them

Outdated, costly maintenance, our defensive capabilities depend on germany, pricey, fragile electronics

>>633782

>about the purchase of 50 Leopard 2 A7, 12 A4 tanks and 24 Pz 2000 SPG's.

So who is the lucky NATO country that can't afford their vehicle fleet upkeep and is selling them to give gibs to rapefugee for an extra year like a crackwhore gives blowjob for her next fix?

You won't make me believe they're new.

Protip: if you takes NATO existing tanks to give them to another NATO country (and retiring three times as many WARPACT tanks for them) you aren't building ANYTHING.

Also I assume the main reason for this is the hungarians tanks have actually been quietly sold away and someone went "hey where are our 200 1980's tanks?".

>>633798

When Golden Dawn is elected, so breddy soon

>>633795

It wasn't "quietly". Our previous government donated a load of T-72's to Iraq. Yes, it was a stupid thing to do. The rest of our pre-existing obsolete tank fleet is in storage, was scrapped and so forth.

>So who is the lucky NATO country that can't afford their vehicle fleet upkeep and is selling them to give gibs to rapefugee for an extra year like a crackwhore gives blowjob for her next fix?

Eloquently put. At any rate, the Leclerc isn't really being exported, how come?

Get Magyar-anon to design small arms for them.

Keep him in a cage and tell him you will trade anime episodes for his designs.

Use these designs to rebuild the golden horde.

>>633794

>You bought a Western MBT rather than taking something that works and making it your own.

We actually did both

Modernized T-72 into PT-91 "Twardy" and bought western tanks, we got one of the biggest tank arsenals in europe, let alone hundredths of BMP-1

>>633796

>pic related

>actually posts a webm

Damn gayreeks are really dumb, must be all those ottoman genes

>>633805

I was originally planning to upload a picture, but then changed my mind and decided a laughing webm would be more appropriate.

>ottoman genes

Stay mad http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/greekadna/

>>633807

>dienekes

Really trustworthy source right here

>>633800

>the Leclerc isn't really being exported, how come?

The Leclerc are a pricey escort, only arab princes can fit the bill.

UAE participation in Yemen relaunched export prospect especially with KSA as their leo and M1 were blowing up like bootlegged T-72 but with the fusion KMW/Nexter it's extremely unlikely it will even be proposed anymore by the new company and will go to get buried with all the cool feats of french engineering.

>>633815

I work with a Hungarian guy, he decided he was mongol descended and got really into Throat singing

>>633826

That's funny, because they're not really Mongolian, but Finno-Uralic. It would be more accurate for him to sing a polka or two.

>>633830

>finno uralic

Frigging what? By that token Brits are niggers because some Jamaicans use a bastardized version of their tongue.

Hungarians are the Avars who Serbs managed to avoid killing when they came down the Danube basin. Learn you a book.

>>633782

more slavshit tbh, upgrade old t72s.

>>633800

The Leclerc is the most expensive tank there is at around 9.3 million each. The countries that can even afford it usually have their own design.

>obsolete tank fleet

Remove the turrets and turn them into assault guns with a 120mm cannon. Or replace the cannon with the Russian 57mm auto-cannon or the 76.2mm naval gun on the Rooikat to shred anything below a MBT.

>>633871

Are you counting all of the multimilion dollar Abrams upgrades and refits? GLDS overhaul cost almost 3 million by itself, and that's one of maybe two dozen refits.

Given the starting cost of $6 million, sunk cost per hull is probably in the $20 million range by now.

>>633782

>Discuss. How would /k/ fix the Hungarian military?

Funding. That's what all post-soviets lack right now. Hell, that's what most European armies in general lack.

We're trying to build up our own military too. This year's budget is slightly higher than that of last year. We're in process of getting new rifles by 2021 with a selection of AR15 looking rifles between Lewis Machine and Tool, Sig and H&K. Vid related. We bought 120 Javelin launchers and 350 missiles in 2015, we bought 44 CV90s back in 2015 and now we just signed a contract to buy 12 K9 Thunders with potentially 12 more that arrive by 2020. Our budget is 2,1% of our GDP, as is the NATO """requirement""" but due to our small economy that is only 585 million euros.

>>633873

Funding is an issue when two superpowers slug it out over a period of decades. I doubt Hungary will fight that kind of war.

They need lots of sedan sized armored vehicles that don't explode when hit (use self-contained ammo). They can buy 1500 Panhard Crabs for the price of their "armament".

Can you imagine being some country trying to defend against 1000 panhard crabs? Even Germany. Imagine hearing that enemy vehicles destroyed border posts hours after they are 100km deep into your country - using every civilian road to drive around and blow up critical government infrastructure.

>>633874

Spergook tier.

>blow up bridge

>need a VLB to cross

>traffic jam

>immobilized by one guy with a 40 year old Carl Gustav

>can't move through mountains, forests or swamps

>destroyed by any sort of air support

>destroyed by artillery

>traffic jam if anyone decides to just block a road by felling a few trees on it

Smarter men than you have thought about this exact same thing, and then they realized it was fucking retarded. Maybe your strategy would work if this was China, you have 8,000,000 chinamen to work with and you are totally content with having 10x the casualties as if it was the Korean war.

>>633900

Hungary, you are needed in the QTDDTOT.

>>633897

Pretty sure the Challenger II's armor is outdated and not capable of stopping APFSDS rounds anymore.

Can I get a szósz on this, fellow magyar?

>>633917

So would a cheap fire and forget ATGM. Cold war tanks are practically just glass HE cannons at this point, being able to destroy them nowadays is not much of a challenge.

>>633917

MBT:

>impregnable frontally against all weapons, some MBTs are even capable of stopping other tanks' APFSDS rounds, sides can be protected against ATGMs with extra addon plates

>Capable of taking a beating and still come out alive

>Even if a round or ATGM penetrates, there's a possibility the crew can survive (unless you're a turkroach or in a soviet tank)

Armored vehicles:

>20 and 30mm guns completely wreck them

>piss-easy to destroy their wheels

>ATGMs will make it look like unrecognizable scrap metal

I understand the concept of "dude armor doesn't matter that much anyway", but to completely replace heavily-armored MBTs with <30 ton tincans is fucking stupid.

>>633923

Why doesn't Greece replace all of its military equipment with crop dusters and fuck huge tins of fly spray?

http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/start/aktuell/nachrichten/jahr2018/dezember2018/!ut/p/z1/hY9PC4JAEMW_kbNa_juuVCKihJblXmJxFzNsV5ZNOvTh2yXwJs3hwbw38xsGCFyBCDoPPdWDFHQ0fUuCWxBvs9SrUZF6Z4xwU53ypihd1PjQwOXfCDExWimMoGYcWsMI1xgp8qAGAoRxp5OCa6uaCz0Y7RXVUjmTVHq0yUspkzgDgxa5uwT5yyn3k4T5viriTbTLksoCH3Sm72WXdvZpaO9UsJEfZYd_xvQ8RGXp91_uKCSG/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?fbclid=IwAR0KkPDyG0Na44O-a5DeFGdH0N9wIfTHu418Zq02Lg06MgOWNqyPknYjzzI

Update. Hungary is also interested in buying Pumas.

>>633925

Because of faggots going

>muh chemical weapons

>muh war crimes

Plus getting (((NATO))) to intervene or put (((sanctions))).

Fucking clownworld. Why couldn't we have a fun clownworld with imageboard autism powering governments and military? Instead we get this shitty jewish clownworld.

>>633900

>Could you replace the kettle with a still?

I don't see why not, it'd take a little longer for the finished product to come out - but whatever works.

>>633907

The CR2 is still the best defended tank on the planet, especially after the streetfighter upgrade slapped the ERA and bar armour on it; the tests of the baseline Dorchester armour would suggest that you're wrong too. While the latest upgrade, the proposed 'Black Knight' program I know you're all going to make nigger jokes - but look up Edward of Woodstock, and James Stewart The Black Knight of Lorn before you do would focus on sensors/command/targeting a lot more than armour there doesn't seem to be much of a need to improve the armour beyond what's already there until someone starts deploying hyper-velocity LOSAT missiles in significant numbers.

>>633926

SHUT THE FUCK UP

YOU WILL BUY CV90'S LIKE A GOOD LITTLE GOYBOY

CV90 BEST 90 AND CV BITCH

>>633927

>Why couldn't we have a fun clownworld with imageboard autism powering governments and military?

Because between /k/, /r9k/ and /pol/, we'd be living in a bombed out post-apocalyptic wasteland, nobody would be having children and most of the survivors would be retarded boomers.

>>633926

>puma

Nice. Those things are fucking brutal. I am friends with a gunner, and he said that he can push a button to mark multiple moving infantry targets, and the cannon will aim and engage automatically.

>Infanterist der Zukunft

Eh. Never got hands on experience with it. Know a couple guys who did, and they like some of the features but dislike having to carry around the pack and batteries all the time. It's more about the integration of radios for every soldier than the cameras, computers or data stuff. They love the maps though.

>>633782

>buying Leopards after they got BTFO in Syria

>buying NATO at all when US got into a habit of stopping sales of replacement parts if you're a bad goy (and Hungary is a very bad goy as far as EU is concerned)

Should get some T-90 tanks instead, tbh, especially considering Hungary already has T-72s, which are similar to T-90s and would thus be easier to get used to for the crew + probably can use some of the same parts.

>>633923

>20 and 30mm guns completely wreck them

Most IFV are immune to 20mm and can take a decent amount of 30mm. Hence the 30 tons…

Why do you think all the new ones have 40, 45 and 57mm guns? 20/25/30 just isn't cutting it anymore, it will work on APCs but if you plan to go toe to toe with an IFV you need a bigger gun. and a couple of burst of 40/45/57mm will go trough a MBT, which is something you can do with modern turrets and guns. You have the accuracy and fire rate to shear off the armor with repeated hits if you're close enough.

If you're not close enough you have ATGM and you outrange non-russian army tanks, the combo of both is lethal.

>>633923

>>20 and 30mm guns completely wreck them

Varies. CV90 is said to be capable of resisting 30mm APFSDS, and it is a <30 ton tincan.

>>633937

This but unironically. CV90 is the best and most proven IFV out there and it isn't made by fucking krauts who will bribe your government to high hell, unless Hungary can get them for cheap then I still think the CV90 is the better buy. I also don't think that the Puma is anywhere near as modular or as inexpensive as the CV90, which can serve as anything from a IFV, AA platform or light tank with a 120mm cannon wish someone bought the light tank variants so I can see them in action.

>>633940

>Nice. Those things are fucking brutal. I am friends with a gunner, and he said that he can push a button to mark multiple moving infantry targets, and the cannon will aim and engage automatically.

Pretty certain that CV90 also has that capability, if not, neat.

>>633947

>a couple of burst of 40/45/57mm will go trough a MBT

[citation needed]

>>633950

It would. Side, back and turret armour is still not indestructible. Turret armour especially is very vulnerable. A modern ATGM basically has at 100% guarantee for a firepower kill with the potential of a crew kill, I don't see how a 5 round burst of 35-45mm APFSDS wouldn't cause a firepower kill and hence leave it very susceptible to a mobility kill if the enemy cannot instantly retreat.

>>633951

even shitty 50mm WWII anti-tank guns can penetrate modern MBTs from the sides. What I'm saying is that you can't penetrate their front.

>>633940

>he can push a button to mark multiple moving infantry targets, and the cannon will aim and engage automatically

[HAPPY MAGYAR SOUNDS]

>>633952

No shit. That's why no one is going to face a tank in an open field from the front, that's suicide if you don't have immense luck. What's your point here anyway? The Frenchie said that you can penetrate MBTs with a IFV autocannon, you implied that such a thing isn't possible, I said that it is and now you backpedal and say that even old gear can. Try not being a shitposter for once, most of the greeks I've seen here are a fucking disgrace to their country.

>>633957

>backpedal

Nigger I never claimed you can't kill an MBT from the sides, it was you who assumed that. Frenchie said you can penetrate a tank with just a burst of 57mm APFSDS - which I didn't believe (I assumed he meant frontally). Then you show up out of nowhere like a faggot and talk about how you can penetrate the sides of the tank.

>most of the greeks I've seen here are a fucking disgrace to their country

Imagine how much of a turbofaggot you have to be to disagree with our superior opinions

>>633953

I am now interested. What's the best IFV when it comes to anti-tank capabilities out there?

This just in. Update. This is getting serious.

>https://honvedelem.hu/cikk/113990_megujul_a_magyar_honvedseg_legtervedelmi_rendszere

Hungary buys SAMOC from Airbus, who will also establish a helicopter assembly plant in Eastern Hungary.

>https://bbj.hu/news/hungary-buys-16-multifunctional-airbus-helicopters-_159175

Hungary buys 16 Airbus choppers because it's Christmas.

>>633959

>(I assumed he meant frontally)

That's fucking dumb of you.

>I am now interested. What's the best IFV when it comes to anti-tank capabilities out there?

Depends. By pure main cannon killing power, probably the CV90120-T but the lines between light tank and IFV are blurry and whichever you consider it is up to you. A lot of modern IFVs have ATGMs as a side armament and they get firepower kills and potential crew kills on MBTs more reliably than any main cannon from any angle.

>>633802

>implying I'm not already in a cage of my own design

I need constant internet access to steal ideas read about guns, so your arrangement wouldn't work.

>>633943

>>633937

You seem to forget that this is a deal made by Fidesz, an alliance of incompetent and malicious idiots. I'm sure they wanted to buy German gear as a favour to Germany, so that they keep protecting their ass in the EU. And the equipment was choosen by idiots who don't even know which side of a gun should be pointed at the enemy, but they bought the marketing hook, line and sinker.

>>633959

>What's the best IFV when it comes to anti-tank capabilities out there?

Even a BMP-1 is a beast if you just bolt some modern ATGMs to it. Vid related. The whole point there is that MBTs are designed to carry a huge AT gun when huge AT guns are obsolete.

>>633963

>That weird Sovietwave music tho…

>>633934

>'Black Knight' program

>I know you're all going to make nigger jokes

>implying

I'LL BITE YOUR LEGS OFF

t.Royal Armoured Corps

But why did the Defense Force ordered 12 A4 along with the 50 2A7s? Isnt A4 less advanced than A7?

>>633975

The A7 is essentially as shitty as the A4. It just has extra addon spaced armor and some meme electronics

>>633976

and the A7 is essentially the exact same thing as an A6

>>633979

There's no difference between an A7 and an A7+ anon. It is the same tankk. A better choice would be to either buy Leclers or Russian tanks

>>633912

Sorry but you are extremely naive in this. Its not looking that great if you see the actual situation around you

>>633987

then make your own tanks famalam. I wish we could make our own too. Depending on foreign nations for weapons is true cuckery and unfortunately we too are a victim of it.

>>633943

But wouldnt NATO bigboss USA go mad if we would buy anything from a non-NATO country?

>>634010

If Iraq can do it why can't other poor shitholes?

>>634010

That's another thing. Our leadership does not have a good reputation in NATO and it's for a reason. We need to buy Western arms.

>>634013

Is it really necessary for Hungary to be in NATO, or is this just to stop the U.S. invading?

>>634014

Its because NATO is the designated place for the USs vassals - including Hungary.

>>634022

God I hope I live long enough to see the collapse of the global homo order and the wiping out of Ahriman's children here on earth.

>>633961

are you guys planning to retake transylvania or something?

>>634010

Iraq ditched Abrams for T-90s and Turkey is buying all its anti-aircraft from Russia. You gotta realise that USA needs these Hungary more than Hungary needs USA. Who's gonna attack Hungary? Russians? Even if they wanted to, they'd need to get past all of Ukraine first, which is not something USA would allow whether Hungary is in NATO or not. Other than that, there's literally not a single country that could threaten Hungary. So what does Hungary need NATO for? All it does is have you fight for jewish interests in Afghanistan and similar shitholes and force you to do some budget spendings and shit. It should be the other way. Hungary should charge NATO for staying in the alliance, for the privilege of having the possibility of transferring troops through Hungarian territory should a war with Russia indeed occur.

US uses fearmongering in the media to convince everyone they need NATO, but the opposite is the truth. It's NATO that needs other countries so as to give legitimity to its repeated aggressions against sovereign countries and violations of international law.

>>634047

>Imagine a world where NATO never existed and the Balkans were allowed to wage war to whoever and whenever they wanted with no foreign interference to stop them.

That sounds fun.

>>634048

>that entire post

What the hell do you guys smoke over in the Sudetenland?

>Hungary should charge NATO for staying in the alliance, for the privilege of having the possibility of transferring troops through Hungarian territory should a war with Russia indeed occur.

They surely won't have to face any sudden color uprisings financed by german taxpayers with weapons and general supplies delivered straight from the CIA if they do that.

>>634054

>They surely won't have to face any sudden color uprisings financed by german taxpayers with weapons and general supplies delivered straight from the CIA if they do that.

Austria isn't in NATO and doesn't get color revolutions, so why would Hungary? Besides, if fear of getting couped prevents you from putting your country in order, then how are you any better than a kike puppet?

The argument was mostly to show why Hungary (any NATO country, really) can buy their arms from wherever the fuck they want, as NATO needs them more than they need NATO, and NATO thus can't press too much or the country would just up and leave.

>>633794

>Implying those work

Even without air support they get rekt by IFVs with TOWs. Outdated Abrams and charlies shat all over and then sowed up to their funeral drunk and raped their mom

>>633782

>Buy tanks from Germany

>Invade Germany

Pratchett got old and died, but Jingo is still a classic.

>>633896

If youre gonna go wheels, go 6x6 or 8x8.

>>634089

The Warthog would only be legit if someone made a 4x4 direct electric drive independent suspension warthog. To date, hasn't happened.

>>634095

oh hey, Halo before it got addicted to the gribbly bits and codified.

>>634095

>childhood

why did you have to remind me I'm old?

>>634148

>not putting aside other alternatives and manufactoring your own stuff out of sheer autistic nationalism

>implying following the American example in terms of military affairs is a bad thing

I expected better from a fellow Mongol…

>>634148

The Patria would be a good choice for us for an APC. Finnomongol and performs well, perhaps due to being sufficiently blessed by Tengri. Besides, the Croats use it, the Slovaks and our Polish friends do, it can't be bad. If we can make Komondors, perhaps we could even license-build it. As for the Komondor, it has pretty decent terrain handling ability, but I'd need to look into it better.

>>634151

>>implying following the American example in terms of military affairs is a bad thing

Have you ever even heard of why .308 killed the .280 British star, why the M60 was chosen over the FN MAG and why the M14 was chosen over the FAL? American procurement has consistently been the most retarded in the world.

The M14 vs FAL was probably the most exemplary of all about American procurement. Due to bureaucracy, they required that the next rifle must use the tooling of the M1 Garand. The only purpose for this was just to snuff out the FAL they also claimed that in arctic trials the FAL was worse, because the M14 was adapted to arctic conditions but the FAL saw no such treatment, and the end result was a unreliable piece of shit and the very reason why the M16 was rushed into service. The worst part? It actually ended up being more expensive than just buying FALs or licenses to build them and the tooling wasn't even capable of producing M14's properly and a lot of it had to be scrapped.

>>634153

>If we can make Komondors, perhaps we could even license-build it.

You should be able to. Poland is producing them on a license.

Read that as bullpup, smh

>>634164

Depends what type of drone. Just scout drones or Reaper style drones capable of bombing? The first would probably be quite easy, the second would probably be possible if you are willing to import various components from other countries. Something like that would also require a fair bit of R&D and funding. I think I would personally just buy my UAVs from the Jews as I trust them enough to build a capable machine and their products already are widely used with a track record.

>>634205

>It's like we're about to have an actual army.

https://www.arcanum.hu/hu/online-kiadvanyok/2vhSzakkonyv-magyarok-a-ii-vilaghaboruban-2/a-delvideki-hadmuvelet-1941-aprilis-874/a-magyar-kiralyi-honvedseg-hadrendje-1941-aprilis-elejen-991/

>>634222

Fill a none moon rune speaker in?

>>634089

Question was actually serious aside from pic 3.

>>634252

>日本語がわからない

wwwwwwww

>>634270

Oh, I was about to ask how you even know they won but it was on their site. I haven't paid much attention to the news in months now. Well, I'm glad it wasn't fucking Heckle my Koch. All of this is about time anyway, we should have gotten these 10 years ago. Hope the replacement happens fast.

I thought that the Kiwis used the same rifles, but as it turns out they are completely different from what we chose. The entire contract of 26,000 rifles appears to have cost us 33m euros, I think they also come with Holosun optics. Reserves may be stuck with the old Galils and G3s for a while after 2021.

>overpriced

I think their prices in the civilian sector are wildly different from what they sell to military. I wouldn't be surprised if you could cut out 20-50% of the price when they sell to military in such large numbers.

>>634280

>Its just shocking because every company that price gouges the civilian market and caters only to military and police contracts like Colt and H&K always go bankrupt because as soon as someone makes a spending cut they find out no one else is keeping them afloat. From the looks of the website they also make rifles for the bong police.

LMT doesn't appear to have any shortage of contracts right now, though.

I think they just want to be a premium and high quality AR15 manufacturer rather than racing to the bottom, sort of like Daniel Defence. There is a market for high end rifles, after all.

>Would Lewis be looking for help with this new order coming in and would they avoid going bankrupt like literally every company that does this?

Dunno, they're going into production only in a few months but you can probably get a job if they have offerings. Best of luck if you do go for it.

>>634252

It's the peace time order of battle of the Royal Hungarian Army in 1941. There are the final numbers of various units:

>27 infantry regiments (81 inf. battalions)

>16 border guard battalions

>238 border guard patrols

>6 battalions of motorized infantry

>4 alpinist battalions

>9 battalions of bicycle infantry

>97 batteries of field artillery

>6 batteries of cavalry artillery

>28 batteries of motorized artillery

>43 batteries of anti-air artillery

>2 tank battalions

>2 scout battalions

>2 armoured battalions

>33 cavalry companies

>9 pioneer companies

>3 engineer companies

>1 railway building regiment

>1 chemical combat battalion

>9 signal regiments

>3 telephone companies

>10 "close scout" aircraft companies

>5 aircraft regiments

>1 "far scout" aircraft company

>1 parachute company

>river defence forces

During peace there were 27 infantry brigades, but all of them only had a single infantry regiment and a single field artillery battalion. Then this was doubled during mobilization for a total of 162 infantry battalions supported by 54 artillery battalions. And as you can see that's only the core of the army, you have to add the border guard with its own infantry and artillery, and also the so-called Rapid Corps. The order of battle for the Rapids Corps was something like this:

<1st Motorized Brigade

>3 motorized battalions

>1 tank battalion

>1 bicyclist battalion

>1 scout battalion

>1 battalion of motorized artillery

>1 battery of AA autocannons

>1 motorized signal company

>1 motorized pioneer company

<2st Motorized Brigade

>3 motorized battalions

>1 tank battalion

>1 bicyclist battalion

>1 scout battalion

>1 battalion of motorized artillery

>1 battery of AA autocannons

>1 motorized signal company

>1 motorized pioneer company

<1st Cavalry Brigade

>2 hussar regiments I don't know the number of battalions, but I assume it's also 3 for every regiment

>2 bicyclist battalions

>1 armoured battalion I take it had those infamous Italian tankettes that were completey useless

>1 battalion of cavalry artillery

>1 battalion of motorized artillery

<2st Cavalry Brigade

>2 hussar regiments

>2 bicyclist battalions

>1 armoured battalion

>1 battalion of cavalry artillery

>1 battalion of motorized artillery

As you can see it wasn't a very highly motorized army, and the training was lacking, but it was an army nonetheless.

Hey Hungaryanons, from what I read, you guys are planning to buy some F-16Vs

>>634451

Anon, that's not an A7, that's a 2A4 with the Evolution upgrade.

>>634454

I stand corrected. I need to improve my knowledge on Leopard tanks, I guess.

>>634468

Its still better than on polish modern uniforms, now rank insignia is somewhere near chest with is fucking retarded because when somebody wears a plate carrier its completely obscured and you cant tell the rank of person you are speaking to

>>638671

Scares away evil.

>>634282

>Daniel Defence

>bottom

I thought DD are high-end.

>>638690

>no addidas brigand squatting atop a t-72

Incomplete image

You paprika eating faggots need to get rid of your soviet-tier civilian gun laws first, jesus

>>638940

>You paprika eating faggots need to get rid of your soviet-tier civilian gun laws first, jesus

>says the americuck

Irony

>>638961

Wasnt Straussler V4 less advanced than any of the Toldi variants?

>>638946

>my grandfather told me he had several hunting rifles between the 70s and 80s and he was not a member of the communist party

If you go through the training and the exams, then you just need to buy a hunter's ticket every year, and then you are free to buy hunting rifles. And that includes every repeating long arm, from revolver rifles to pump-action shotguns. And you never have to actually go hunting in your entire life, you just have to keep buying those tickets. And you can bring your weapons to a rifle range.

>>638968

Also, you can reload your own ammunition if you go throught the training and take an exam.

>>638671

Mountainsfolk used it for centuries to ward off (((evil))).

>>638968

>>639044

>>638968

>>639044

And how much is the whole ordeal costs? Is it really just 35000 Ft (109 euros) the first year, then it comes down to 15000 (46 euros) Ft/year (not counting the gun)? If yes, I might give it a go.

>>633782

Give them some food, obviously.

>>633782

Orban lost any support he had with the slave law, and my opinion of Hungary went into the toilet after finding out they even allow the withholding of overtime pay.

>>639044

That ain't a bad rifle, I got myself a MVP and enjoy the shit outta it.

>>639060

You probably fell for le baste orbán meme. A common mistake, especially over here…

>>639064

What's the good guy party now in Hungary, I heard even Jobbik cucked.

>>639075

What a shame, best of luck to Hungary in the future.

At least Orban kept the muds out.

>>639058

The whole ordeal with everything is about 200 000-300 000 Ft, but that includes stuff like buying a locker for the guns. The ticket itself is 20 000Ft.

>>639067

>any parties

>good

That's a rookie mistake in politics. Parties are for psychopaths and puppets.

>>639075

>Mi Hazánk

That's literally a puppet of Fidesz.

>is it true that our Defence Force is planning to buy Carl Gustav recoilles rifles?

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/01/04/saab-signs-55-million-carl-gustaf-m4-launcher-contract-with-undisclosed-customer/

They do say that they sold them to someone, and our news media says that we bought them. Although I'm not sure if it was a good idea: the newest variety weights as much as the old RPG-7, but costs a lot more. And it doesn't seem to be any more effective than an RPG-7 with modernized grenades.

>>639075

An officer accidentally slipped it during an interview recently. Yes, we are getting Carl Gustavs. And if you ask me, it won't stop here.

We're building an army.

>>639077

Saying a party is bad is like saying the state is bad, it's currently existing right now and exercising enormous power whether we like it or not.

So the question is to make the party/state into a good one.

>>639079

No, saying that the whole system of parties is bad is like saying that niggers all retarded: no matter what you do, that's simply how they are.

>>639080

So it's like saying the state is bad, no matter what you do, there will always be a state.

>>639082

>tfw you remember that video from 2006 even though you were a small child back then

>>639082

Also in all our history we tried our best to be the honourable servants of big powers only to be betrayed badly or used as a buffer state to stop the hordes of enemies who want to attack Europe. The Habsburgs used us like fucking toys, we revolted and tried to attack Vienna many times out of pure hatred for those motherfuckers. Even Hitler hated the slavicized, nationmixing Habsburg Austria and Vienna and didn't consider it worthy enough to connect to Germany at that time. If you disagree you are a fucking moron, it's all in Mein Kampf. The Habsburgs were big friends of jews because they too only cared about money and power.

>During the regime of Franz Joseph and after, Austria's Jewish population contributed greatly to Austrian culture despite their small percentage in the population. Contributions came from Jewish lawyers, journalists (among them Theodor Herzl), authors, playwrights, poets, doctors, bankers, businessmen and artists. Vienna became a cultural Jewish center, and became a center of education, culture and Zionism. Theodor Herzl, the father of Zionism, studied in the University of Vienna, and was the editor of the feuilleton of the Neue Freie Presse, a very influential newspaper at that time.

From the inbreeding Franz Ferdinand who struck down the 1848 revolution was "incapable of ruling his empire because of his mental deficiency" due to: "Possibly as a result of his parents' genetic closeness (they were double first cousins)". After a long time of studying I have lost all my love for this "Big Hungary" and the Austro-Hungarian Empire because it was a disgusting jewish melting pot.

First world war we got betrayed by Italy and Romania, we fought in the Alpine mountains against Italy and dominated Romania and took their capital city just to be fucked in the ass by the Trianon treaty, the government cucks out and gives all the weapons to the surrounding Antante countries who in turn attack us after the war is over and raids our money and industry in turn.

In the second world war we fought all the way on one side until the last year when the soviets were coming to take all our territories and the government tried to ask the United States to take us instead they carpet bombed us then the Russians take everything.

In 1956 as David Irving also says the revolution which started as a jewish pogrom (totally silenced today) finally shows progress against the soviets and we get betrayed by the US who turn a blind eye after negotiating with the Soviets to give them Suez instead and keep us.

Today after a shitty revolution which fidesz took over for their fame and killed none of the communists who later as an other party sold all our industry for pennies to the west and here we are. Fucking jews subverted everything. EVERYTHING.

>>639098

>losing faith in "Big Hungary"

Its Greater Hungary. And it was also predominantly Hungarian before the turkroach invasion. Then the Habsburgs and their lapdog nobles started to flood the country with non-Hungarians. Now its all fucked up, but the 1941 borders of Hungary would be ethnically accurate (for the most part).

>>639123

Its always the turks, jews and the habsburgs, the US and the USSR came later...

Please filter the literal yids. They want to sow deception and divide and conquer:

>>639116

>>639123

>>639125

>>639131

>muh yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiids

>muh shiiiiiiiiiiiiills

>ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>639126

>1941 map of Hungary

I agree. That was a good compromise, but low and behold it was too much for the powers that be to give an inch of land to us. My family lives in Saltzmarkt (Satumare/Szatmárnémeti) which originally was "schwab"/germanized land by the monarch Bethlen Gábor because they brought industry and mining skills with them which was needed in northern Hungary. It WAS a beautiful city before it was took over by the vlachs so I know that feel. Sometimes I still visit that place but its always very disappointing.

Kurva szőröstalpú köpönyegforgató büdös oláhok, hogy mennyire gyűlölöm őket. Francia zsidó segget nyaltak mindig. Azt hiszik ők szarták a rómait is. Imádom a magyar nyelvet. Olyan színesen lehet szítkozódni barokk körmondatokban. Nem hangozna jól angolul.

(Me cursing)

This old big Hungary is a big bullshit. We deserve Transilvania/Erdély but we don't want Slovakia and all the other lands that we never even lived in. This only puts a wedge between our neighbours the nations only for the eternal divide and conquer the motherucking elite used successfully for WAY TOO LONG. Of course they all hate us because they are right sometimes and we have to admit for our own benefit.

>>639123

OK fine I get it. I know the jewish administration which is ruling USA for more than a century now is very fucked up and is the originator of a lot of bad shit, yes. The civilians are a jewish tool though and I can only feel sorry for them. I'm not going to have jewish fantasies about human torture and gore like you IP hopper do.

>>639151

>Szatmárnémeti

Some of my relatives live there, I know what you are talking about…

>>639171

>kurvawoman

Makes sense why kurva means bitch to us but in Polish it means fuck. What a revelation.

Sounds like the name of a superhero though.

Behold the kurwawoman the slavic wonder.

>>639187

At the time, the distinction was rather… …muddled.

>>639186

>mongol-gypsy shitflinging

You're both shit. The only good thing to come out of Hungary was Slovakia (much to the hun's eternal kvetching) and I guess Romania was cool hundreds of years ago when when Vlad started killing roaches. At least you're better than ukrops, I guess.

>>639187

Guess they didnt really care. It was common amongst knights to drink wine before battle, and you probably know the effects of drunkness :D

>>639194

After enduring hundreds of years fighting a direct border war with turkroaches to defend Europe and christianising all the ethnics within our border and the architecture and art, the culture but all our legacy is a slavic country that separated, yeah sure.

We were trying our best to be a part of Europe God damn it. As I've said multiple times I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

>>639194

Calm down Karel. That's rude of you.

>>639204

Magyars were a distinctly altaic steppenigger tribe. The only reason you look white nowadays is due to all the racemixing with slavs.

>>639203

you forgot the part where you tried to forcibly magyarise Slovakia and struck a deal with Austria to fuck over all the slavs in A-H. Not to mention the part where Magyars rode into the then-slavic Pannonia and grabbed it in the name of Tengri or whatever.

>>639205

It's just banter, Boldizsar.

>>639186

>You are polish why are you even so triggered?

It was just a joke/banter

I didnt even know that Hungarians have kurva as a loanword

>>639197

I'm sorry. I've always heard the saying that it's "Used like fuck in english". It's the same then.

>>639209

Hungarians are Huns not Mongols

>>633782

I pray that Hungary is the future arms supplier for the resistance

>>639219

"the locality in which the Hungarians, the Manicha-Er group, emerged was between the Volga river and the Ural Mountains."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_tribes

Between Volga and Ural, huh. So around the place of today's Kazakhstan. Caucasus lies quite a way off to the southwest of that.

>>639219

Yeah, also, we Hungarians came from planet Nibiru on board of the Turul spaceship.

>>639221

his post was:

>steppenigger

Do you even know where Caucasia is? All Europeans are steppeniggers and hungarian language is celtic and not slav but linguists are fucking kikes and won't admit that.

>>639221

So you admit you were defeated by muh inferior mongols? But that ultimately makes us superior to you!

>>639224

Ah, but you were then defeated by the USSR, meaning Russians and jews are superior to all of us :^)

>>639229

Ultimately, its always the victorious that is superior.

>>639230

Niggers and slavs are better than all of us then.

>>639217

>Bulgaria

I FUCKING hate those people

>>639236

Do Bulgarians even count as slavs, though?

>>639238

They are slavicized turks

>thread about Hungarian military buildup turns into a banter fight between magyars, czechs and polaks

/k/, /k/ never changes

>>639231

Well, you can always prove to be superior to them by BTFOing them in a war you know…

>>639243

I hope it is just banter. We're natural allies, in all seriousness.

>>639254

it is just banter, we're all in V4

>>639254

When you really think through the international situation of our country, its one big fucking joke. But whatever, Im on /k/ first and foremost because of my interest in weapons and prepping-related stuff, everything else here is of secondary importance to me.

>>639281

>our country, its one big fucking joke

Hey, at least you arent ukrainian

>>639264

Note the distinct lack of numerical strength.

>>639259

What's wrong with Romanians?

>>639309

Why would you want to replace it? Its fine for what it is, and that is being a APC.

Hell USA army still uses M113 and that stuff is from the '60

You anything you would need to put new radio equipment in those babies and you are good to go

>>639302

>What's wrong with Romanians?

You can't be serious

>>639309

I'd say it depends on who you plan to fight against. If it's to sent them against sandniggers in Afghanistan, the current ones you have will do. If it's to do nothing with them and just show them on parades, they will do. If you plan to declare war on America or Russia, it likely won't matter as you'll end up with gorilla warfare either way. Maybe if you plan to start shit with Romania or som-

Oh, I see, so that's how it is. I'm onto you, goulash.

>>639321

>gorilla warfare

What's that?

>>639309

IIRC yours are all 80A versions you could have Russia port them to their new BTR-87 standard upgrade for 80As and 82As, but let's face it it's never gonna happen.

>>633782

what does it matter? all its gonna be is a bloody field when the russo-sino-mutt war occurs

>>639320

Are you referring to gypsies of Romanian nationality that the (((media))) pass as Romanians?

>>639364

Doesn't change the fact that "Romanians" are about as insane as "Macedonians".

>>639364

not just gypsies. Romanians as a whole are shitty disgusting people

>>639419

>>639364

Actual Romanians are Saxon traders who established a relationship with Rome and owed fealty to it in exchange for working the land outside of the palisades.

There's like 5% actual Romanians in the entire country of Romania.

Rest is all:

1. Hindu untouchables, lowest caste and basically niggers.

2. Khazar/kike and Avar mix.

3. Turk.

Any white Romanian you meet is likelier to be a Slav than an actual Romanian.

>>633897

That tank has a severe skin condition, why would anyone want it?

>>633805

>Modernized T-72 into PT-91 "Twardy"

which is fucking useless by modern standards

>let alone hundredths of BMP-1

hundreds of tracked coffins that can be used as APC and nothing else, all made in 70's and barely holding together

dobry mem

>>639890

>which is fucking useless by modern standards

How?

>hundreds of tracked coffins that can be used as APC

Well in modern polish doctrine they are already used as APC

>all made in 70's

Like most of military equipment in Russia and USA

>>639894

>How?

Shitty armor, most russian tanks can destroy it easily. This tank was obsolete by the time it was produced, I have no idea what was the point of this modification and what purpose is it supposed to serve. Anyway the mainstay of polish army is unmodified T72 that is complete junk nowadays.

>Well in modern polish doctrine they are already used as APC

APC that troops are afraid to get in because it's going to break before reaching the place or get fucked up by a burst from KORD or DShK. Additionally a peashooter main gun and wire-controlled ATGM Malyutka (if it's there in the first place).

>Like most of military equipment in Russia and USA

Designed doesn't mean manufactured, dumbo.

>>639904

>Anyway the mainstay of polish army is unmodified T72 that is complete junk nowadays

It's still in demand in the middle east, I hear. You could probably still sell it.

>>639904

>most russian tanks can destroy it easily

Which Russian tanks? T-90s are just renamed T-72s that they have like 600 of and the Armata is never fucking ever happening. Their tank force is majority T-72 too.

>>639904

>Designed doesn't mean manufactured, dumbo.

Exactly.

Most military equipment of NATO was MANUFACTURED in the cold war.

They have been upgraded in between but if you take the US or Germany new tanks haven't been bought since the end of the cold war. The last NEW tracked stuff for the US army was made in 1992 as a batch of 72 M1A2 and a small number of M2A2 ODS.

France Leclerc are the newest tanks in NATO with last one being made over ten years ago in 2007 (as I don't think ONE leo2AX isn't a cold war west-germany hull with new shinies but I might be wrong) but there isn't a lot of them meanwhile our APCs are VABs, AMX-10P are ALL from the 70's.

And the situation in support arms (artillery especially) is even worse.

The only new stuff in NATO are the MRAPs.

Russia has more new stuff than the US as a lot of their T-72B3 are in fact, new and not upgraded soviet T-72 and all their stuff like BMP-3, T-90, BMD-4, Msta-S, etc… is brand new.

Of course they still have a sizeable number of old stuff (BMD-2, BTR-80, BMP-2, T-80, T-72B even older BTR-70 and BMP-1 are still around, though they seem to have finally got rid of the T-62 for good) but their main frontline vehicles are all sensibly younger than what NATO has.

What's the point of acquiring military equipment without production license? Are Poland/Hungary going to buy parts and tanks from Germany in the midst of war with POCCNR?

>>639917

Will do, good sir. May the southeastern shores of the Danube be the Hungarian-Byzantine border once again.

>>639922

Samefag, but Id like you to know that the Leo2A7+s will arrive at 2025. Until that, we will only have the 12 2A4 (yes, THOSE 2A4s) and no promise for the production license let alone to own tank product…

>>639921

>Most military equipment of NATO was MANUFACTURED in the cold war.

This is false, but even if it was true why should NATO replace equipment that is still useful, if they still have so much left over from the cold war?

One major problem of the US military today is that a lot of useful equipment has been replaced with garbage, just because the new garbage was more "technological advanced".

Also the point you are making is somewhat falling flat, since it ignores that Russia HAS to produce stuff, because the majority of their legacy equipment was already outdated by the 80s.

>>639922

>BMP-3, T-90, BMD-4, Msta-S, etc… is brand new.

I checked around and all of them are still a small percentage of their total active in each category.

There's 720 active BMP-3s (apparently like 200 of them are made in this millennium) compared to 6000 BMP-1s and 2s.

There's 350 active T-90s compared to 2450 active T-72s and T-80s.

There's 468 active Msta-S compared to about 2000 of everything else.

This is going by Wikipedia stats but I trust them to be reliable and up to date enough.

Plus, it really doesn't matter how much outdated soviet era trash you can produce. It is still trash at the end of the day.

>>640055

>This is going by Wikipedia stats but I trust them to be reliable and up to date enough.

Kek.

What we can know for sure because it's well documented outside of Russia is how much they sold abroad.

At the breakup out of the handful made (some source says that in between and 1987-1993 330 were made), 6 stayed in Ukraine and 3 in Azerbaijan (BMP-3), then Russia exported:

652 to the United Arab Emirates (BMP-3 and BREM-L).

245 to Kuwait (BMP-3 and BREM-L).

142 to Azerbaijan (BMP-3, BREM-L, Chrysanthemum-S, 2S31 Vena)

123 to Venezuela (BMP-3/BREM-L).

70 to South Korea (BMP-3/BREM-L)

54 to Indonesia (BMP-3/BREM-L)

45 to Cyprus (BMP-3/BREM-L)

14 to Libya (Chrysanthemum-S)

4 to Turkmenistan (BMP-3/BREM-L)

For a total of 1358 BMP-3 based vehicles EXPORTED.

It's extremely dubious they made more for export than what they made for domestic usage even with the big orders of the 90's for UAE and Koweit that allowed the program to keep running when the Russian Gov' was broke.

The only vehicle where you have a real disparity is the T-90 because they set up a different chain to make the T-90S (which is a downgraded model from the T-90A) because of how well those sell (India alone bought over 1 500 and it's not the only customer, Algeria bought 500+, etc…).

And while the T-90 started as a "T-72 improvement", there are AFAIK no T-72 that were ever converted to them except maybe the earliest versions, the closer in performance/system being the T-72B3.

For a very simple reason, the T-90A hull IS different from the T-72 so while the improved turrets are compatibles, the T-90A has a stronger frontal arc meaning if you were doing that you would spend nearly as much money as to get a T-90 without having the performance of one, while with the T-72B3 you at least get the quantity for the money you spend. That's also why when they can they're making new T-72B3 with hulls that at least incorporate the changes in metallurgy compared to the old T-72B hulls (the 1985 hull variants that were already considerably thicker than T-72 and T-72S and is the only variant in service in Russia).

And to finish on the BMP-3

>(apparently like 200 of them are made in this millennium)

200+ were made for the Russian army in three years recently:

http://tass.com/defense/819772

Also for the Msta it means they're basically all the 152mm around.

A basic Russian brigade artillery component is is 36 SPAAG, 18 MLRS (light), 12 vehicle mortars, 12 field guns.

Msta replace the Akatsiya but 152mm guns are in minority as far as artillery is concerned. Even more so as there is a mobility concern for some units that force them to keep the amphibious Gvozdika for which specific replacement must be made (either 2S34 Hosta on the same chassis or 2S31 Vena on BMP-3 chassis but they haven't decided yet as there is only one unit of each for evaluation).

Those tank numbers are off by a thousand, unless you count only the stuff modernized (350 T-90A, 1300 T-72B3, 200 T-72BA, 250 T-80U, 50+ T-80BVM -order for 350, delivered 62 this year-), there is around a thousand extra T-72B in active service due to the fact that in 2016 the Russian army expanded with 10 more tanks battalions.

One of the reason Russian numbers are greatly inaccurate is that they went under several major military reforms shortly one after the other and the Russian MoD only gives out very undetailed numbers. They just say this year we've accepted X numbers of "armor", X number of "artillery" and X number of "vehicles" "in service", with "in service" meaning both new and upgrades, "armor" meaning frontline vehicle (tanks, IFVs be they with wheels or tracks), "artillery" being pretty much everything else that lobs rounds, including ATGM tank destroyers and vehicles being everything else, from MRAPs APCs to field kitchens…

Also friendly reminder that the US Army has only 10 tank brigades with 87 tanks each and 3 of those are National Guards, when almost every other NATO country tank fleets are either in two digits or completely obsolete (sometimes both).

>>640069

>Also friendly reminder that the US Army has only 10 tank brigades with 87 tanks each and 3 of those are National Guards, when almost every other NATO country tank fleets are either in two digits or completely obsolete (sometimes both).

You silly russian troll, what would NATO need tanks for when it has F-35? :^)

>>639904

>Additionally a peashooter main gun

73mm gun is a peashooter? If anything all those shitty 30mm and 20mm guns mounted on modern IFVs are shit, we should have gone Russian way and install 100mm guns on our IFVs (like in BMP-3) instead of shitty Rosomaks with 30mm peashooters

>Shitty armor, most russian tanks can destroy it easily.

Most modern tanks can get one shooted by other tanks

>>639456

What's the historical basis for this genocidal fury? Does it go beyond just what happened in WW1 and 2?

>>640069

>What we can know for sure because it's well documented outside of Russia is how much they sold abroad.

I'm aware that they make soviet era shit to sell to 3rd world dictatorships and sandniggers (and South Korea, surprised they bought some), and I don't care. I was talking about what they use in their army, as I assumed that was what you were talking about when you said "Russia has more new stuff than the US"

>200+ were made for the Russian army in three years recently:

That article says 200+. It can 201, it can be 3000. That's meaningless, and I doubt that more than 400 are new if they are using wording like "200+"

>>640107

>73mm gun is a peashooter?

Yeah. It's not big enough to be a proper tank cannon and it's not small enough to be a fast firing IFV cannon. So all you have is some outdated as fuck pop gun on a dogshit IFV with zero armour. 20-40mm cannons are perfect because they are INFANTRY fighting vehicles. Are you aware of the kind of damage that 30mm airburst can do? Vid related.

>>640154

Russians don't give solid numbers on things they perceive as sensitive information. Nobody will ever know unless you walk into the White House and steal away with the paperwork. What the frog is getting at is they've probably got double of what they've exported.

>>640191

>Russians don't give solid numbers on things they perceive as sensitive information

Yes, that's why I think it's probably 20-50% bluff. I think the Russians are the types of people to show themselves as stronger than they really are.

>>640191

Not double as during the 90's they very likely never bought any in more than two digits, but around as much (1000-1300) chassis is a sensible estimate, as all the BMP-3 that were provided to the Middle-East were in the 90's and the factory hasn't layed anyone off when those orders had been completed. They have to be have been doing something and the export volume clearly isn't the same, so those extra vehicles went somewhere.

Now all of those won't be IFV's, Chrysanthemum-S for example are often seen and seem to have largely replaced the 9P149 Shturm-S in most units (and you have 12 of those in each tank, infantry and artillery brigade and because of that those are ordered continuously in yearly small batches of 12/24/36).

Replacing IFVs is a pain because you need to make a small batch for initial training (8 or 12) then at least outfit a minimal strength battalion (99 in Russia: 3x(30 BMP-3+ 1 BMP-3K) + 5 BREM-L + 1 BMP-3K), while conserving the other battalions on other platforms but keeping everyone maneuver ready.

While changing the specialized vehicles that are already on a different maintenance and training schedule is much easier to do even if they cost more to buy.

So they might have only 700 IFV's (seems low considering they had 300+ in 1993 for sure and added 200+ in the 2015-2017 period) version of the BMP-3 and a lot of other things.

Also you have to remind yourself that the numbers from the navy (naval infantry) are often excluded from the estimate.

For example there is a known variant of the PT-76 with a 57mm autogun that is known to have replaced ALL the naval infantry tanks (so at least 100 maybe 200) during the early 2000's for which there is a grand total of 0 photos save some from an old prototype on a brochure. Naval infantry are known to have been the prime recipients of armor firepower upgrades in all vehicles due to the fact that their tank battalions are clearly not up for a fight against their equivalent (which would be USMC upgraded M1s that don't really have the same upgraded due to weight concerns as mainline US army M1s), then they just went "fuck it" and decided to give them normal tanks.

They definitely have some BMP-3 but how many is anyone guess (it's even worse because naval infantry units don't follow the pattern of Russian units, 1st battalion may be on tracked IFVs, 2nd might be an air assault battalion so their vehicles can be BTR since they're a placeholder, 3rd might be a ship/base security battalion, etc…)

>>639239

Was that turks raping Slavs, or Slavs raping turks?

>>639309

Depends what you want to do with them. As APCs they'll still do their job pretty well. If you want them to become decent combat vehicles then with the up-armouring, upgraded engine, new CCC gear, weapons etc it's probably going to be cheaper to buy something else.

>>640152

It goes back all the way to the 13th century, when the first hairy-soled romamaniac set their foot on the sacred Hungarian land of Erdély. Ever since that, they used every opportunity to backstab us.

>>641044

>Eurasian steppe nomad mad at indigenous Europeans his hunnic ancestors displaced

Magyars truly are the Turks of Europe.

>>641049

>Can the T-72M be upgraded to a decent standard?

Not really. The basic armor is just too thin. It was designed to be a match with 105mm guns not 120mm.

The T-72B armor on the frontal arc is almost twice as thick from the T-72M, the only difference with the M1 is added bolted-on armor.

Poland had partnered with KMW and Nexter to make a comprehensive packs of new engine + bolted armor + modern computer/sights/optics + ERA for theirs so you could get that but it never went anywhere because why modernize your cold war era tank fleets when you can just give all the money to Germany to buy their cold war era tanks (that are no better but hey it's German tanks they have some magical Nazi blitzkrieg in them).

>>641067

But at least the Nazi Blitzkrieg Panzerkampfwagen Leogepardkatze Schadenfreude Zeitgeist Vergeltungsaparat Kriegmaschinesturmstosspanzerwagengeratwotanmaschine is not a *deliberately downgraded* monkey model like the T-72M.

>>641072

Yes, and those few dozens of Leos will be more effective and cool at cleaning away the snow on our roads at winter.

>>641049

isn't Cobi the ones with the hilarious white cop brown terrorist set? also that tank is sick.

>>641231

>>641231

COBI confirmed redpill?

>>641252

No, just polish.

>>641067

>(that are no better but hey it's German tanks they have some magical Nazi blitzkrieg in them)

I think more its a NATO thing.

Germany had to reduce its tank fleet because of unification. The majority of these tanks was sold to NATO partners closer to Russia.

Also all of Poland's production centers are in the reach of Russia's missiles and artillery, meaning they would be gone fast in a potential war with Russia.

Meanwhile 11 other Countries in Europe are using the Leopard 2 and could theoretically support them with material and spare parts.

On top of that even the unchanged Cold War German tanks they got are of newer production than the Cold War Soviet tanks. Poland already made a tech upgrade by switching platform.

>>641273

We should build our own tanks already tbh. Buying foreign weapons can only get us so far…

>>641274

Realistically, it will be a while before we can build something as complex as a tank. An APC or armoured cars? Perhaps. A decent tank? That would take decades. Having said that, an armament industry would provide us with a lot of income.

>>641271

>Also all of Poland's production centers are in the reach of Russia's missiles and artillery, meaning they would be gone fast in a potential war with Russia.

It's not Russia Poland should be afraid of. The greatest threat lies in France and Germany in the form of durkas deciding to civil war or EU deciding to punish bad goys with force

>>639181

How do I into /Magyar/ if I am already /k/ and no longer a patriot (currently 0% Magyar blood atm)?

>>641307

You must pass the trials first, neophyte.

>>640120

>Why exterminate them? They can work for us in the paprika mines

I've answered this question before, and some even took a screencap of it.

No people in the history of mankind remained permanently slaves to somebody else. Sooner or later the slaves earned their freedom either through politics or violence. It may take 5 years, 10 years, 100 years, 500 years, maybe even an entire millennium, but sooner or later the slaves will break free.

Turkey's greatest, most horrible mistake, a mistake they regret to this very day, was not killing us all when they had the chance. They instead used us for taxes, farming, labor and to take boys and women from a village for rape and/or turning them into soldiers.

But years later, we had enough of it, and against all odds plus with the help of European countries, we pushed them back.

Turkey could today be neighbors with Italy and Ukraine, but they're instead back to the starting point with a thousands-year old enemy sitting right next to them with 120,000 troops, each lusting for turkish genocide.

When Hungary conquers Romania (and it will happen, even if we don't get to see it in our lifetime), they NEED to genocide all romanians, or else X years later the decision to let them live will bite them in the ass.

I say it again, and again, and again. Genocide is the solution to every problem on planet earth.

>>641316

>all of Anatolia turkish

>starting point

>>641320

Where do you think they started from? Turks are a mix of races. Though they believe they wuz mongols n' shieet

check out every single mongolian throat-singing video on youtube. 100% guaranteed turkroach posters thinking they wuz great mongol conquerors

>>641323

>Where do you think they started from?

Today's Turkmenistan

>Turks are a mix of races.

Yeah, the altaic turdburglars, greeks, armenians, and indigenous anatolians. Anatolia prior to their conquest belonged to Eastern Roman Empire, therefore to Greeks. Therefore, the only way turks could be at a "starting point" is if you acknowledge them as greeks (which I do not)

>>641316

True enough. Our ancestors had no problem with killing whoever resisted their conquest , why should we? Its only when they had let in others to work on their lands was when the decline started…

>>641328

I consider them to be at the starting point because Turkey is all they have. Their borders don't go as far as Turkmenistan. Compared to their peak, today they are nothing.

>>641333

Are you implying we should not send them back to mongolia?

>>641333

>Compared to their peak, today they are nothing.

One could say the same about Greece… Anatolia was full of Greeks under BYZ.

>>641346

>One could say the same about Greece

Correct. Compared to our ancerstors we are literal worthless dumb niggers. They conquered nations, they were the leaders in science and half the known world spoke Greek.

Nowadays we rely on others for weapons, computers, medicine etc. We don't invent anything and we don't conquer shit. The entire world speaks english and nobody outside of Greece speaks Greek.

We truly are a miserable pile of shit, and it pains me deeply.

>>641344

I wish for their genocide in every thread anon

>>641352

If only. Hell, you could televise it all so we get combat footage and sweet sweet slaughter in high definition.

Goddamn clownworld can't make anything fun.

>>641354

I know, right? In the Medieval era everyone had their share of fun and life. Boring is the age of ours with small armies, nukes and international jewish control…

>>641357

Gone are the days of fun toys as well. Everything is missile this, drone that.

I want a return of battleships, anti-tank rifles, propeller-driven planes with dogfighting, bayonet charges, and all sorts of old-school military autism.

>>641358

PTRD saw use in ukraine even with vintage ammo.

This timeline slowly slipped down the shitter after 1945.

>>641379

>macedonian slavs

Literally doesn't exist

>>641379

>ulster shown as being inhabited by irish, not scots

Shit map

>>641379

>Serbian Coast

kinda based

also interesting that schleswig holstein is still danish in the population centers

>>641358

Someone better invent force fields and quick.

>>641461

As far as I know, most Danes stayed in Schleswig after the Second Schleswig War, my own family included. Holstein, not so much, as Germans were already a majority before the war in this region.

>>641528

>Alexander the Great wuz so Slav even pollacks take pride in his conquering of Greece

>>641280

>The greatest threat lies in France and Germany in the form of durkas deciding to civil war or EU deciding to punish bad goys with force.

Islamic terrorism is a US/NATO plot to have a casus belli for the Middle East, terrorist attacks in the West are orchestrated to either gather support for a war from the public or to punish the public for their lack of support for US/NATO.

The only way that a civil war will be caused by these people is if US/NATO fears to lose their puppet state and uses it as an excuse to enact martial law, this way the puppets have direct access to the entire war material of their countries to serve US/NATO.

And that will only happen if US/NATO has a dire need for this war material for a massive war.

Because of the geopolitical location of Europe, this massive war can only be fought in either North Africa, the Middle East, the Caucasus or Russia.

>>641580

>Islamic terrorism is a US/NATO plot to have a casus belli for the Middle East

Certainly, among other things.

>The only way that a civil war will be caused by these people is if US/NATO fears to lose their puppet state

Not so, anon. Only a few muslims in europe have a direct connection to NATO. However, the rest is not without agency either. They desire a radically different way of life from the european one, and are actually willing to fight for it, unlike europeans. Furthermore, most of the leech off of welfare, yet the economies of their host countries are already at their limit – you can seeit with yellow jackets in France, where in order to support the welfare state, the working population got taxed beyond a bearable amount. And up until now, economy enjoyed massive growth. Come the next economical crisis, you will see rise of unemployment, creating more demand for welfare, lower wages, and a system that is forced to cut welfare as a result, something all the muslims depending on it will not like at all.

Sooner or later, the muslims will try to take control of your country and shape it to their liking. The only real question is whether they'll do it violently, or if they'll try to organise themselves as a political entity.

>>641538

Was retaining the land more important than remaining in a country of their own people?

>>641612

It never was a case of "…remaining in a country of their own people". Despite being the area being ruled by Prussia, large parts of Slesvig remained Danish in terms of population and culture. Many Danes in these areas developed an even stronger national identity, as a counterreaction to the Prussian occupation and influence.

Most likely a stupid question, but since it's a Hungary thread…

The best firearm license you can reasonably get in Hungary is a hunting license, which allows for class c firearms, correct?

>>641632

>>641538

Interesting. This tends to be the case in my reading that frontier people or those involved in irridentist claims tend to be more nationally conservative than the rest (Republika Srpska, Krajina, Transylvanian Hungarians, Boers, etc.)

>>641631

Why Orban wears a hat instead of a jew-cap? Is he trying to send a message?

>>641611

But how can my country participate in an army exercise if it has no army to speak of?

>>641945

He is a g*psy, it is a regular for them to wear black hats.

>>641949

The same way that my country - that also lacks a proper army - could do so. Atleast you have a military industry to speak of…

>>641954

> He is a g*psy, it is a regular for them to wear black hats.

Really? Is this legit?

>>641970

But Hungarians are not white.

Update. Orbán and Mike Pompeo will meet in Budapest. Relations between the Hungarian and the US governments have been pretty bad, in no small part because Orbán being a disgusting little cunt that only Putin and Erdogan would miss, but also because the Department of State and the Department of Defense disapproves of the fact that Hungary buys most of its military hardware from Germany, France, Czechia and Sweden instead of the US. It is said that Orbán is pretty desperate to be given an audience with Trump (or any US president), so this could mean additional military procurement contracts.

Stay tuned.

>>641982

Says the belarus Mongolian rapebaby…

>>641983

Don't be this much of a cuck.

>>647636

>Orbán and Mike Pompeo will meet in Budapest. Relations between the Hungarian and the US governments have been pretty bad

We are not acting like good goys so the (((boss))) sends his enforcers to teach us how to be good liberal democrats…

>in no small part because Orbán being a disgusting little cunt that only Putin and Erdogan would miss

Any alternatives?

> the Department of State and the Department of Defense disapproves of the fact that Hungary buys most of its military hardware from Germany, France, Czechia and Sweden instead of the US. It is said that Orbán is pretty desperate to be given an audience with Trump (or any US president), so this could mean additional military procurement contracts.

Good, so we are not only required to buy NATO weaponry, but SPECIFICALLY US weapons, just because?

>>647647

It is not a matter of being good goyim or not. Let's face it: le based Orbán royally fucked up; he is an extremely unreliable as an ally, incompetent as a leader and insufferable as a person.

>>647661

His life proves that with jews you win. He is in power only because they hired actual jewish propagandists from Israel, and a lot of people are too retarded to break free of that truly jewish propaganda machine.

>>641983

All the Hungarians I've met have looked white now the Romanians on the other hand.

>>647673

Ikr? Funfact: 85% of the buildings in Transylvania that are more than 100 years old were built by Hungarians.

Hungary shows that all you need is a chain linked fence and men who're willing to kill to defend their borders.

>>649007

This magyar >>649009 said it right. I'm also not entirely convinced that those gibs are not just going to end up in g*psy hands, further growing their number, the tensions between us and these animals and the pressure on the almost-empty pensioner system. Thank you for your good wishes Greece, but I doubt /pol/ has a completely accurate grasp on the situation here…

t. Hungarian from the northeastern part of the country

Is this a Hungarian general thread from now on?

>>649009

What a shame, thought this was a good thing.

>>649010

>Is this a Hungarian general thread from now on?

yes

>>647647

Don't Hungarian nationalists larp as turks?

>>649013

Did you know that there are millions of Hungarians, and there are more than one group of Hungarian nationalists?

Why not just kill gypsies, it doesn't seem like the government would give a shit about them.