/k/ - Weapons

Afghanistan pretty much doesn't care. The Taliban are pretty based, and have prevented the federal government from being effective for decades. They're also okay with secularism, don't believe in the caliphate, don't believe in sex slavery, and don't support the drug trade but seem to be fine with people using drugs. They've killed other Islamists over underage boy rape, and believe historical artifacts should be preserved. Pretty much the most /k/ Muslim extremist group you could ask for.

Sadly, I think they still believe in circumcision.

What about Alaska?

>>633100

I think about places like that or more rural pakistan and mexico where there is no federal jurisdiction, but I fear they won't appreciate a white dude from America regardless of how constructive to the community I might be.

>>633101

Pretty sure Alaska still requires all the horseshit, I hate the idea of permits and background checks and registries, even social security, IP addresses, and even credit. Having a number on me is some insane itch that follows me everywhere I go and it drives me insane. I know that might not reflect on everyone here on /k/ but I hope some of you understand or at least understand.

>>633098

>Is there no place where one can have whatever they want, walk with it freely and not be bothered?

We have planets in the outer space that you can build your own personal almighty empire to be free and rule over your streloks but (((they)))’re preventing that from memeing into reality so we will never see during our entire lifetime.

>>633101

>>633105

On paper, Alaska, Montana, and a few other places have passed local legislation that allows you to own NFA items unregistered as long as they're manufactured in state, as in theory the feds should have no jurisdiction over something that happens completely in state. In practice, the only reason those laws are still on the books is that no one's been ballsy enough to put them to the test. If this ever came up in court, the feds will just go COMMERCE CLAUSE LOL like they always do, and say they have jurisdiction anyways.

All that being said, Alaska and places like that have passed those laws because they have a very strong gun culture and a very low trust of the feds in general. So if there ever was a place to build a bunch of three hole lowers in Minecraft and hide them in your Football Manager 2019 house, along with select-fire FCGs from Arma III, those states would be the place to do it.

>>633106

Well space belongs to the rich because they're the only ones that can afford to get there, so pretty much. Born too early to be a space pirate where technology actually gives me a fighting chance at resistance.

Also I feel bad for australia, getting banished to an island to build a society in a different image and getting cucked even in the rurals. Kinda wish Ned Kelly would've won.

>>633108

Montana sounds alright, maybe a cult would be the answer to changing the law. You basically have to build a rural compound if you want any chance at real change nowadays. Could I theoretically go to alaska or montana with zero identification as a mechanic and just do whatever? The weird part is I'm not even a criminal or planning anything, I just genuinely hate the idea of 'identifying' citizens like they're fucking cattle and restricting free people as if they're potential criminals.

>>633106

>he doesn't know

>>633110

I've considered starting a cult based on technology and the preservation and advancement of it, weapons tech chief among them. Kinda like the Cult Mechanicus from 40k. Even build monasteries that are basically research labs, churchs could be school and teach low cost classes in machining, programming, and more. Then take all the donations and funnel them tax free, because religion, into a space program. I think there are enough engineers of all sorts disengaged from society that it could work.

Boom, gun nuts in space.>>633110

>>633122

I believe in you leaf bro but I'm serious here. It's a lot harder to set up machining and invade forest land to make compounds than it seems and while possible, you still have to have insane charisma to pull it off with various connections, cults rely on charisma and numbers things most chan autists don't have at all.

I won't lie I've thought about it too, except I was going to go bunker digging in the unregistered wilderness where supposedly /x/ shit happens.

>>633123

And ya the only reason I haven't seriously committed to the idea is my total lack of charisma. Probably on the aspie scale somewhere.

>>633125

Not a Dyson sphere? What are you, gay?

>>633128

Dyson spheres are for collecting the resources of stars, I don't think you want all of the heat contacting all of your people. Though, it'd be a good way to be undetectable assuming you chose a very distant star and had the proper radiation, heat, and light shielding as to not fry your whole crew like they're fucking ants.

>>633098

>near lawlessness

Some people like the concept of some sort of governing body preventing you from your neighbor trying to invade your house, kill you and take all your shit so you don't have to live a life of constant worry and vigilance. Also, governments can't really trust most people with guns from a logistical perspective. Too many entrees in hospitals draining public money, though I wonder if a state with no gun laws would really work with modern firearms.

>>633128

Dyson spheres are energy-harnessing devices that surround stars with solar panels. They're not for living on.

>>633131

This assumes that everyone is looking to invade your house, kill you, and take all your shit which isn't really accurate. It's a rare thing, and in the search for perfection they've managed to stamp out good. Most people won't risk their lives in envy for bill's new fucking lava lamp, those people would be dealt with pretty quickly in a society with lots of guns. I'm not saying it would be perfect, I'm just saying I'd much prefer to be responsible for my own safety than relying on an incompetent blueberry that barely passes a fitness exam.

>>633133

>isn't really accurate

Depends on how oppressive the state is and how much it denies comfort and supplies. You're right about the neighbor case though. Let's now consider how criminal activity would turn out. Would there be more people running around assembling gangs to reap the land ala the Old West or would they be snuffed out before then?

>>633134

Definitely snuffed out. There's no way gangs could survive without a monopoly on violence, there's just too many normal people with their kids to protect. Most people, if they're not treated like absolute hot garbage like in detroit don't have to resort to crime and can actually invest their time into fair recompensation for menial work. Pretty sure that's going downhill quickly with current technological trends (AI workers), the evaporation of gun rights, and unsustainable capitalist growth.

We're gonna get buttfucked by assholes with garage machine guns and molotovs come 10 years I guarantee it.

>>633131

>governments can't really trust most people with guns from a logistical perspective

>Too many entrees in hospitals draining

>I wonder if a state with no gun laws would really work with modern firearms

The current state of Brazil

>>633135

Plenty of power to the people. How many states do you think are gonna secede if it happens?

>>633136

I mean, they really can't. They have to maintain healthcare, and it's not gonna be easy doing so should we get rid of gun laws overnight. Hell your country's government can't even trust your people with insurance, if the myriad of dashcam videos are anything to go by.

>>633139

>More guns = more people hurt

Most people are idiots that think knives are less deadly than bullets or somehow have easier to deal with wounds, so when gun deaths go down they point to gun laws and say "Yeah see it works man." because it makes them feel safer.

>>633137

>Plenty of power to the people. How many states do you think are gonna secede if it happens?

I don't think anything like that will happen personally. I think it'll be such a slow, slow burn that everyone will just give into it and it'll be covered up like nothing. I hope its a bigger flash than that, I don't want to be the kind of coward that leaves his country behind.

>>633139

Also

>Justifying gun control by advocating for welfare

That's even closer to Venezuela

>>633143

>orbital ring is ring world

Aussie education.

>>633148

>the one problem

Pretty sure there are more problems than that, such as rings tending to destabilize and explode over time due to asymmetric coriolis force on the ring structure.

>>633151

But it would be located at the equator there is no coriolis force.

>>633148

>it requires cooperating with other countries

Actually no, you just need to have the ring rotate at orbital speed to keep itself stable in orbit, then have one connecting space elevator in some area that you have control over.

I believe it is possible to turn the asteroid in to a hollowed out planetoid with nuclear powered electric propulsion on the outside to generate the artificial gravity but I am not sure if it is able to generate up to 1 g though.

>>633158

>>633156

>kraut continues to spout off about space magic he read in a sci-fi book

Jeez, your race's autism simply doesn't abate, does it?

>>633148

They're both as fantastic as repealing the 1996 NFA, so why should I waste my energy on them? Might as well start sieg heiling like a sperg.

Why aren't you bugging your congressman for NFA repeal? I'm reading my incoming one's book to understand what kind of appeal works best on him. (The book itself, Warrior Diplomat, is actually not bad if you want a firsthand account of how bureaucrats and Obama fucked up the operations in Afghanistan)

Also Czech Republic apparently allows you to get full auto. New Zealand too, but to shoot them you have to abuse a loophole that you are demonstrating them for sale, meaning you need someone else with a full auto license shoot alongside you.

>>633141

>only 90 firearms per 100 Americans

*laughs in freedom*

Op is just dripping with fedoraspeak

>>633098

There's any number of uninhabited islands out there OP. Some of them might even be habitable if you put a lot of work into them.

>>633170

Have you upload the book to /PDF/?

>anarchist

gay cunt

>>633168

The next time I will meet you, I'll infect you with plenty autisms. Watch out. Don't close your eyes.

>>633189

The ayys probably aren't as bad as the Jews.

>>633138

>orbital sphincter

>not just landing on a fucking planet and living there

We must secure the existence of human settlements and a future for human children in space.

>>633185

>front line goes all the way across the entire thing

>939,9511271338×10⁹m of front line at 1AU diameter

<no seasons = no winter fighting

<no night time at all

It's cool on paper, but if you can't even attack at dawn what's the point of it?

>>633137

>They have to maintain healthcare

Says who my huefriend?

Human rights are a scam.

>>633139

Gun ownership will reduce violence over time, but at first moment's notice, plenty of people will enact their grudges out of spite. You overestimate humans too much, child.

I don't know how the fuck this thread got onto the topic of the perfect space base but it really is telling that the only places left that aren't controlled by some retard or asylum group are uninhabitable. What a world.

>>633188

As for you, I kinda agree with the other guy. Unless you're gonna blow something up the political system is rigged and or too incompetent to be manipulated by one or many peoples without a huge influx of money.

>>633188

>BATFE retard can't even crosslink posts properly.

I'd tell you to kill yourself, but it'd have probably ended with you burning alive a white family instead.

>>633202

>Guns mean people will immediately start shooting each other for no reason

You didn't answer my question. Where did you motherfucking cuckold leftist scum crawl from and what are you doing here? If you're too much of a nigger to be trusted with guns you deserve to get shot and that's what you'll get, along with anyone else as stupid as yourself, to the point that society will be cleansed from the subhuman scum you are. I thought better of Brazil but it deserves to be given to chinks and then nuked, just like another shithole to match yours - Venezuela.

>>633098

I guess you can go somewhere deep innawoods where nobody can find you, and you'll be free to have whatever you want there.

>>633202

>BR thinks less guns lead to less crime

Because that worked so well in UK, right? The only time more guns lead to more violence is in countries that are full of niggers, like Brazil, since they're too dumb to consider long-term consequences of their actions and will just pull the trigger over minor bullshit. A white country doesn't have this problem since people are capable of rational thought and know that going to jail for 15 years isn't worth it over someone calling you a faggot.

>>633229

>I guess you can go somewhere deep innawoods

That really seems like the last call but, why can't we have a society or maybe even just a town where people are actually, properly armed to military levels? The larger our society gets and the more separated we become as a people, and I'm not talking race I'm just talking in general. How many people in most towns do people actually know personally? Everything is dealt with numbers because there's just way too many strangers and pussies are piss scared of one another for some reason, so the federal decides to use computers because anything else at this population growth would take too much work. The bigger we grow and the more content people become, the less anyone's going to care about their rights and willingly be enslaved. I don't want that for the world, even if I somehow make it out.

>>633230

>why can't we have a society or maybe even just a town where people are actually, properly armed to military levels?

Well, you can. So-called micronations exist in this fashion. Essentially, if you manage to actually gather enough people, set up a town somewhere, and declare independence, it's unlikely the government will waltz in and slaughter you all since that'd be a very unpopular move. Instead, they'll try to negotiate some sort of a deal where you'll get autonomy in some things (such as gun ownership) in exchange for pying taxes and not being a pain in the ass. It's a big project and a bit of a gamble, though.

>>633231

This sounds great, except it's kinda similar to the cult idea. You need a lot of charisma and willing participants as well as monetary backing. And even though I personally am a good speaker, I don't know how many people I could convince to leave the pens to hang out in the woods to build machine guns and crop farm. Maybe if I work hard in 5 years or so or something, better than a college degree or sitting here being sad.

>>633233

Well actually, we might be on to something here.

So I'm a hamfag, part of the reason I feel pretty confident in surviving in a place like this is a lifelong background in electronics, computers and radio. I saw a guy who used a D-star radio to access satellite internet. It was about late 90s speed, but it was perfectly working internet. If we somehow managed to present positive PR en-mass on youtube and online, attacking us would be a social death sentence especially if we offer taxes. It could be worth it, even if it got shut down to open the discussion of state rights. I'd give anything for federal power to be reduced, its an affront to personal choice.

>>633233

>Read about the Free State of Jones

Google returns some nigger-loving cuck fighting against the confederacy

>>633234

Get a sizeable enough group (a few dozen is enough, but the more the better) and set up shop somewhere nobody cares about while maintaining an internet presence. People will start coming on their own if you keep at it long enough, and the government is definitely not going to commit a political suicide by slaughtering a village of loners in the middle of nowhere, that even offer to pay taxes. Just make sure you never kill any of the cops that come arrest you (just intimidate them with guns to fuck off), or they'll spin you as a violent gang of murderers and you'll be utterly fucked.

>>633236

I see that as rather difficult since they will definitely try and send cops to spin it that way and someone might shoot. Plus we're gonna look semi-shantytown as the only machine guns I think we can get our hands on are old reactivated semis and lutis, not to mention the satellite internet's gonna blow and one of the first things we need is independent internet access under our control.

>>633237

You wanted to know if something was possible, and it is. I never said it's easy. If it was, you'd see people do this shit every time they disliked a law.

>>633238

Yeah I don't have any doubts, I don't look at it like a movie or that I'd be some kind of lovable rebel, I'm just unhappy in life because I really hate the lack of freedom and can't find anything else that balances out that unhappiness. However, I'm equally afraid of failure and just getting gunned down by superior forces. I wish political action worked more but I really don't believe in it. Electronic voting machines aren't reliable, media isn't reliable, nothing here is.

>>633177

Physical copy.

>>633202

Lol just brainwash them

>>633098

Maybe its time to make a free world of our own. >>630353

>>633247

I'd have a hard time with some /k/ommandos because I'm not about the /pol/ life. I'm too much of a murderous gun owner and steak fanatic to be a vegan hippie earthshipper and too left-leaning to commit race-based atrocities in South Africa. Now, dismantling the garbage SA government and ending apartheid on both sides then declaring autonomy and denying corporate involvement sounds nice but you probably just want to flamethrower the niggers.

>>633248

/pol/niggers have proven time and time again to support anti-gun legislation, not own any weapons themselves, and just be LARPers in general. That's the condition of that board since 2016, sadly. If you want to talk to people who actually study politics and are politically active, or can make a difference in society, /pol/ is not the place to look. Also, national socialism is leftist, but I'm sure you've seen how much a lot of those guys get triggered when you point that out because it offends the status quo. A few years ago they would have openly worn that banner, now because most of them haven't even read any NSDAP literature, they cower behind stupid ideas of 'triggering those ebin libruls' and 'redpilling the blacks by supporting white genocide' and what they call accelerationism, which is literally 'vote for commies so we lose all our rights and then we'll have our national socialist utopia'.

TL;DR: /pol/ ain't what it used to be, and is retarded. They don't even allow talk about politics anymore, or ANY form of discussion that could lead to minor schisms in public opinion. It's a fucking Skinner box of aut-right nonsense.

>>633249

Yeah there's similar ideas of accelerationism in communist circles as well, that by allowing corporations to go hog wild they'll prove themselves to be ineffective and people will revolt faster. I just don't want to watch the economy crash and return to a feudalist society to the rich that could afford to build bunkers, or worse, a cyberpunk dystopia of fully implemented automation with outdated credit and cash systems and 'royalties' in ridiculous places. I imagine it being similar to if we had to pay the family of thomas edison or nikola tesla for inventing electricity. Safe to say I'm anti-copyright.

My big schism with /pol/ and nu/pol/ is I just genuinely don't think niggers are a threat to me. I think what ruins families if you care about that sort of thing is media and widespread addiction. I'm talking addiction to sex, to sugar-packed food (sugar is very close to cocaine in its addictive quantities and causes insulin failure and obesity), to prescription drugs and even levels of comfort.

I know it's a bit of a blogpost but my politics are more individualism, decentralization, and DIY.

>>633227

>You didn't answer my question.

The question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Not worth my time.

>If you're too much of a nigger to be trusted with guns

That's rich coming from fucking russia. What the fuck do you think is gonna happen if you get rid of gun laws in Europe in its current political climate for example? Do I need to point out what's going on in France right now? I'm not saying gun ownership is bad, I'm telling you WHY governments don't like the idea, and consequently why places with absolute freedom bordering on near lawlessness are rare nowadays. How the fuck do you interpret that as me advocating for gun control is beyond me. Maybe it comes naturally with your retarded slav peanut brain. You fucking idiot.

>>633229

>less guns lead to less crime

That's not what I said.

>>633254

We'd definitely need a stronger, unamendable bill of rights or constitution that could last a long time and worked as a /k/ommandments or something. It'd have to be simple but undeniable, something like "Cannot restrict, strangle, deny or slow access to information."

"The authority of the government is beneath the authority of the civilian, for one is in service to the other. That which can be obtained by the government shall also be obtained by the citizen. If it is banned for the citizen, it must also be banned for the government.

I don't know everything, things like cars and insurance would be difficult and settling matters between people would require identification, but I think identifying people legally should be as simple as concievably possible.

>>633248

Honestly I just want an excuse to shed blood and to be a part of a larger cause. We could create a new government in our own image.

>0 laws prohibiting gats

>laws prohibiting prohibition

>endless red tape to make sure gats are never taken away

>not a corporatist shithole where politicians pocket all the money

There are so many reasons to do it strelok. But first you must take the land, declare yourself and your intentions, crush those who would oppose and seek to restrict your freedoms, and strike fear into any nation who would dream of meddling in your affairs

>>633195

Imagine a war where you could fire (sufficiently energetic) artillery straight up and stand a reasonable chance of hitting your target, or at the very least a much better chance than firing such artillery at 0/90 degrees (depending on how you measure it) elevation on present day earth.

>>633255

>The question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

It has everything to do with retarded stupidity of your posts.

>What the fuck do you think is gonna happen if you get rid of gun laws in Europe in its current political climate for example?

Europe would become a lot less muslim.

>Do I need to point out what's going on in France right now?

All the worst scum already has guns, no reason not to give them to all others.

>I'm not saying gun ownership is bad

That's literally your whole shitty poses' content.

>I'm telling you WHY governments don't like the idea

By lying about data and creating baseless conclusions. Good job, i hope you're at lest paid for it to be in the documents when the day comes.

>consequently why places with absolute freedom bordering on near lawlessness are rare nowadays

>Hurr durr freedom is not what you want. Don't even try, goy.

>How the fuck do you interpret that as me advocating for gun control is beyond me

>Guns cause crime

<They don't

>B-but guns will cause crime if allowed immediately!

<Only among subhumans like yourself

>I'm just explaining why government disarms you! That's for your own sake!

Who could be behind this post.jpg

>>633263

>Europe would become a lot less muslim.

Now guess why that will happen and maybe you'll understand the fucking point.

>All the worst scum already has guns, no reason not to give them to all others.

mudshits are massacring people with trucks and knives over there most of the time BECAUSE there are no guns you idioten.

>That's literally your whole shitty poses' content.

That's your autistic interpretation and nothing more.

>lying about data

You're a retard of a special breed that should never have been bred. I don't deny that gun laws are kike shit but unlike you I won't pretend people are magically gonna stop getting wounded or killed in the world as it is today just because guns are around. That'd reach a new height of delusion and you're a retard if you subscribe to that idea.

>Hurr ur a kike

Easy ad hominem for a fucking communist country that's set a staple of gun control and is too scared to release its own violence reports. Get fucked snownigger.

>>633267

>Now guess why that will happen and maybe you'll understand the fucking point.

The point being that government only cares about controlled demographics and its own influence.

>mudshits are massacring people with trucks and knives over there most of the time BECAUSE there are no guns

Except they do get guns as well. Just ask bongs if you disagree.

>That's your autistic interpretation and nothing more

Then make your argument instead of playing government and gun control apologism.

>I don't deny that gun laws are kike shit

<governments can't really trust most people with guns from a logistical perspective

<Too many entrees in hospitals draining public money

<I wonder if a state with no gun laws would really work with modern firearms

<Would there be more people running around assembling gangs to reap the land ala the Old West or would they be snuffed out before then?

<They have to maintain healthcare

<plenty of people will enact their grudges out of spite

>I won't pretend people are magically gonna stop getting wounded or killed in the world as it is today just because guns are around

Yes, you pretend the opposite. If you, or government for that matter cared about people's safety they'd LAWAYS allow guns because even if there will be any increase of casualties(which you still have to prove) these would be violent people that cannot be trusted with being people and removal of them would be the best thing that they could do to a community.

>ad hominem for a fucking communist country

Who do you think i am, Putin? Stupid monkey.

>>633268

>The point being that government only cares about controlled demographics and its own influence.

Finally you got something through your empty skull.

<governments can't really trust most people with guns from a logistical perspective

<Too many entrees in hospitals draining public money

<Would there be more people running around assembling gangs to reap the land ala the Old West or would they be snuffed out before then?

<They have to maintain healthcare

<plenty of people will enact their grudges out of spite

Stating facts don't automatically mean I agree with them you goddamn animal. And as for this

<I wonder if a state with no gun laws would really work with modern firearms

Was a genuine question. Do you know of any modern day country that has absolutely no gun rules or regulations at all?

>Just ask bongs if you disagree.

Their cops have so little to do, they're confiscating fucking bike wheels and car batteries as weapons. Last I saw this year they had about 13 shooting incidents in total with , compared to over 75 stabbing incidents. People getting hospitalized for stabbings are three times the number of people being shot, so much so that their blood banks are actually depleted now, and that's without the presence of guns.

>even if there will be any increase of casualties (which you still have to prove)

If I do have to tell you that criminals are also gonna make part of the statistic, albeit as the majority, to further reinforce my point that there will be violence because you can't put two and two together. Where the fuck do you think of gun-related deaths and casualties in the US come from? Barrring the planned government agency mass shootings, certainly not law abiding citizens. Apparently I have to remind your slow vodka-soaked mind that I'm just stating that governments don't like the thought of people having guns and not saying that I in particular agree with them, because you don't have the reading comprehension to sustain an argument.

>Who do you think i am

A country that has an ex-KGB officer as president. Stupid subhuman.

>>633270

>People getting hospitalized for stabbings are three times the number of people being shot, so much so that their blood banks are actually depleted now, and that's without the presence of guns.

I genuinely think this is because of the lack of guns. Violence would go down with the guns. This is the only point I'm arguing because I know for a fact that people are retards that have this movie idea in their head that knife wounds heal with duct-tape.

>>633270

>Stating facts don't automatically mean I agree with them

But falsifying them and putting them out of context does.

>Was a genuine question

Sure, go question "practicality of communism" next time, fucking shill.

>Their cops have so little to do, they're confiscating fucking bike wheels and car batteries as weapons

They have so much to do that GB is the country with the most crime in EU. They just don't do anything productive because of their stupid politics.

>and that's without the presence of guns

And again you try to spread anti-gun disinformation. Will you again try to say that you "don't mean it" or are "misunderstood"?

>gun-related deaths and casualties

What the fuck do they have to do with anything? Typical antigunner nigger subhuman - cherrypicking statistics to comfort its worthless ass and earn a paycheck.

>I'm just stating that governments don't like the thought of people having guns and not saying that I in particular agree with them

>I'll just state that government's presumable motives based on false statistics and implications that in no way would conceal its true motives yet have no use in this discussion whatsoever.

>A country that has an ex-KGB officer as president

I wish. If i really was Russia, i'd immediately nuke Brazil as my first action.

>>633236

>government is definitely not going to commit a political suicide by slaughtering a village of loners in the middle of nowhere

What is Waco? They'll do it, and they'll do it with impunity. All the news will read is "government raids nazi cult" and people will go on with their day

not that I wouldn't enjoy it while it lasted

the fire rises

>>633237

>not having blueprints of MG receivers on file

>not buying M60 parts bit by bit

Is /k/ even trying?

sage for doublepost

>>633275

I mean I DO have those files but in the beginning how much manufacturing power can 12 people in the woods realistically have? If we get so far as to set up a machine shop and start piecing together big guns we're set there for good.

>>633276

Bridgeport milling machines are under $10,000

CNC technology for them is a $500 install

Lathes are under $5,000 and CNC tech is cheap too

You can have a fully running machine shop cranking out one receiver every hour for as much as it takes to buy a new car. It just takes cash.

For me, I'm looking to buy land first, then we'll see where it goes. Power is easy to keep, solar/wind/water/generator combinations keep you off grid.

Honestly 12 dedicated people could be quite the formidable force. But again you'd just as likely be >Waco'd

I don't know how realistic the honeypot/atf plant meme is to be frank.

>>633276

you're like a baby, just deliver proper equipment there.

>>633271

I'd wager it actually depends on how oppressive the government is, and how much it denies comfort and security its population to drive it to resort to crime out of need or due to how easy it allows one to get away with it. Take a gun away from a man and he'll kill you with a knife. Take the knife away and he'll kill you with a rock. Take the rock away and he'll use a truck. In britain's case they'd still be apologetic towards immigrants as the rest of the EU is. There was a case in Europe a few years a back that infuriates me, about an old man who got his house raided and he himself got beaten countless times and when he finally had enough of it and used his gun to defend his home from invaders, he got jailed and the perps went free because according to the court "the use of guns endangered the dindus' lives."

>>633273

>putting them out of context

Which is what you're doing you dumbass. I didn't falsify shit.

>hurr shill

The soviets should have erased your lineage.

>They have so much to do that GB is the country with the most crime in EU.

Stabbings. In fact most weapons used are often taken from "bin that knife" bins around britain which are pried open all the time by muds.

>disinformation

Immigrants are already massacring people with knives alone and actual brits are actively shut down for defending themselves in any shape or form. Stop making vomit-tier posts and rub two neurons together for once in your life on what would happens if guns were freely accessible for anyone in britain right now, in the current climate it finds itself in. You have yet to provide an answer and not be a total retard.

>What the fuck do they have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with proving your stupid ass wrong for getting involved in an argument about something completely different than what you think you're discussing and can't crawl your way out of.

>Government's presumable motives

You're beyond ignorant of how they operate. Governments actively work towards controlling their population, and that involves keeping said population from burdening the public healthcare that they have to, or at least put a facade do pay for. That's literally what I said from the beginning and you're moaning that I'm somehow saying they're justified. You fucking scatterbrained cocksucker.

>>633277

Yeah but you're forgetting a new car is fucking expensive, that's enough to start up a business and get to midlife dreams. At most I could get 2k surplus a month working year round at my current mechanic capacities.

You also need farms, labor, computers, solar panels, cars, machinery to cut and process wood, it's a lot of work and it has to be kicked into overdrive to prevent getting caught and shut down by authorities before you're a 'town' and as you said at any time you could be waco'd. Best case scenario is to take completely undesired land.

>>633280

Sorry forgot to mention farms are more important on undesired land because if its undesired its undesired for a reason.

>>633279

>I didn't falsify shit

That's another lie of a subhuman brainless shill.

>In fact most weapons used are often taken from "bin that knife" bins around britain which are pried open all the time by muds

And? This has nothing to do with the questions you have not addressed.

>It has everything to do with proving your stupid ass wrong

Then prove it, motherfucker. Don't resort to open ended questions, implications and dodging questions.

>Governments actively work towards controlling their population, and that involves keeping said population from burdening the public healthcare that they have to, or at least put a facade do pay for

Healthcare has nothing to do with gun control, you stupid shilling nigger.

>I'm somehow saying they're justified

>They need to keep healthcare

You are just trying to shift discussion from ACTUAL AND DIRECT CONTROL OF THE POPULATION to its internal politics and assumptions about healthcare and well-being of its citizens, as well as supplying them with it. Nobody here cares what reason government will give to further expand its power and your constant rambling and lies about it are nothing but attempts to spread these proclamations.

Fuck, the embed didn't remove itself, soz.

>>633282

>questions you have not addressed.

You asked no questions. But you sure run your mouth like a sewer.

>Then prove it

Two minutes of searching to put your ass on a sling, you dumb motherfucker. As if you needed a fucking hint that this shit costs on the government's pocket, especially in a country like the US which has firearms as part of its history, nonetheless.

https://archive.fo/4sGXA

Which goes right back to what I said here >>633137 but you keep dodging this because you have nothing to show.

>Hurr shill

>Trying to shift the discussion

Running out of shit to spout, I see. Can't go too far when you don't have an argument. Stop running away you faggot cocksleeve.

>>633284

I don't have an issue not wasting money, I usually only spend like 500$ a month, it'll still take more than a year to get that level of cash.

>I didn't think we'd be aiming for isolationism

Is there any other way you can allow machine guns without being arrested? Isolationism or at least independence is the only way to even have a chance at convincing the government you're too much trouble to force. I don't know what you plan to do with your land but moving alone to the woods, off-grid and farming for your own family is fine. I want a society, I want the US to be taken by example and show them how much individual power not only matters ethically but how effective it is. I could run away to an island, I don't really want to do that and leave behind a shitty cardboard copy of america. Sorry if I'm not making a lot of sense, but building the funds for a town is a bit harder is all I'm saying.

>>633285

>You asked no questions

I did, you just ignored them.

>Two minutes of searching to put your ass on a sling

>The Guardian on topic of (((gun violence)))

Go full-on for CNN or Daily Mail next time.

>you keep dodging this

I didn't dodge anything, i have and do not point out that healthcare doesn't mean shit on topic of gun control, unlike your faggot implying that spending on healthcare is a limiting factor. The only thing about gun control is disarming the population and the increase of crime, police numbers and healthcare spending are all BENEFITS to the government that has more reasons to rob and exploit its people. Yet you keep going around "maintaining healthcare" as if it mattered and could ever be a reason(not even justification) for gun control.

>Running out of shit to spout, I see

Nice projection.

>>633289

> I wonder if you couldn't buy land and simply sell partitions to /k/ minded individuals

Why not rent it free of charge like serfs? Say, find a machinist on /k/ that's family is kicking him out, invite him to the /k/ompound free of charge to stay, make him work to buy his own food and provide water and everything and work up from there?

I had a plan of maybe starting a /k/aravan. Down here in the south we have a bunch of those shitty 1970s RVs and I've been looking at RV living and how cheap it is. With automechanics and electrical work background it should be super easy to upkeep/upgrade one of them and while I won't live off the grid, I could search for a site and live in the RV in the woods on and off until we could afford to set up a farm. Tons of people could join the /k/aravan and we could drive around together, thus eliminating the waiting period. Just set up the minute we have the funds and the people.

>>633287

>i have had and do now point out that healthcare doesn't mean shit on topic of gun control*

>>633290

Of course, the big issue with either of these plans is that nobody WANTS to give up their current life for a life of Cheeki, no matter how breeki. That and how would one make a living in a caravan? How would one make a living in a /k/ommunity either? Even gifting partitions rent-free still requires people to have jobs.

But no they'd have to buy the land from me because I don't like the serf hierarchy I'd rather a merit or skill based hierarchy rather than a landowning gentry.

>>633287

>go full-on CNN or daily mail

So fitting of you to be a retarded baby that needs to be spoonfed links instead of reading the fucking archive ones. Use that genetic fallacy again like the dumb faggot you are.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0625

>i have and do not point out that healthcare doesn't mean shit on topic of gun control

What the fuck are you even arguing then you goddamn mongrel? The government doesn't want guns because it can't control the rate of casualties in its population, be it from citizens or criminals being hurt, and as a result have to spend more on healthcare due to these very same casualties that it explicitly doesn't want to bother with in the first place, hence why it targets guns. How can you not fucking understand this you fucking stupid sack of bricks.

> Yet you keep going around "maintaining healthcare" as if it mattered

It matters because it's fucking public money, and the little they actually spend has to increase or else you'll have a public outcry on your hands. If you think they don't use this as an argument for gun control, you're beyond saving. I'm amazed you know how to breathe.

>>633292

I don't want a serf hierarchy either, but the only real difference between serfdom and freedom is how you treat the people on your land. If they assist in their fair share of the taxes it's as if you sold it to them without having to give up legal control in case something goes wrong. I know what you're saying, but if someone buys it from you they'd have to be able to afford it in the first place. Maybe you could do rent to own?

Also I agree, I'm a rare case that actually IS willing to throw it all away. I'm genuinely not happy with anything modern society has to offer me, not a drop.

>>633294

>without giving up legal control if something goes wrong

That goes against my principles but I understand where you're coming from.

>they'd have to afford it

Yes. That's the thing. People who can afford land on a budget are more likely to be responsible individuals who can save money, postpone rewards, and work towards a long term goal vs instant gratification. Call it gatekeeping but I don't want hobos. If a poor but ethical strelok wants to enter, he could rent I suppose… I dunno I haven't really drawn up a charter or constitution yet lol

>>633296

Well, there's a saying commies have: There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Basically, in the system, you have to do what you have to do to get the ends you want and you can't beat yourself too much on skewing your principals so long as you intend on getting results that reaffirm them. That's why I'd do rent to own or let people build on it for free and curate the land myself, I anticipate most people that can save the money to buy land won't buy land next to streloks, but other poor streloks might appreciate the opportunity to escape the hellish life they have. It could be at no fault of their own when it comes to savings, but some other factor in their life.

>>633293

>So fitting of you to be a retarded baby that needs to be spoonfed links instead of reading the fucking archive ones

Your article is as shitty as a typical liberal nonsense is. It just throws plain numbers and vague proclamations without actually comparing and providing any useful information. Just like you do, antigunner shill.

>The government doesn't want guns because it can't control the rate of casualties in its population

AHAHAHA, keep going liberal faggot. When did your college let you in such bad bad sites as 8ch? The government wants guns because disarmed population is a population that's unable to resist and defend itself, period. Healthcare spending numbers won't change that, especially since amount of violent crimes increases with population becoming defenseless(who'd have guessed?) and healthcare and police spending with it which is also a goal of the government - to use the turned into shit industry as a justification of their further expansion.

>It matters because it's fucking public money, and the little they actually spend has to increase or else you'll have a public outcry on your hands

>Imagine a retard that believes all that shit.

They don't care about preserving "public money", they only care about spending and stealing as much of it as they can pull off because if they don't they might get less next time. That's why they only raise taxes and expand their influence.

>If you think they don't use this as an argument for gun control

I don't care if they use it, i do care that you use it for no reason other than support their politics, you lying fuck.

>>633295

Shills get a lot more insecure and cautious when confronted with such questions.

>>633301

As long as the people are armed, the society will shape itself to their needs, and not the needs of any wannabe masters. I think either way it'll be just fine.

>>633302

I agree. the goal is clear, the pathway less so. Until then, I'll be open carrying to normalize gun culture.

>>633298

>Hurr give me evidence

<Is provided evidence

<Durr those don't count!

So you concede. Took you a fucking while, shortbus.

>The government wants guns because disarmed population is a population that's unable to resist and defend itself, period.

That's fucking obvious to the point that I disregard the need to mention it, but I see you're too dumb to know that either. I'm discussing other reasons that surround control of the population, you slack-jawed nigger.

>Healthcare spending numbers won't change that

Yeah sure. They're just on the top three leading causes for spending.

>amount of violent crimes increases with population becoming defenseless

And it also remains high when they're openly available legally or otherwise, as is evidenced by countries like the US, all the way to wild lands such as the Khyber Pass. Just because your protocommunist shithole has no healthcare to look after, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't either.

>They don't care about preserving "public money"

>A government doesn't care about keeping the money it gathers from taxpayers

You're shitting me, right? Your age has to be in the single digits. That'd match your IQ.

>I do care that you use it for no reason other than support their politics

Which they fucking DO. That was the FUCKING POINT you autistic shit-for-brains. Unlike you slaves of the red, my country's getting rid of its gun laws soon, so you can get bent.

>>633304

>That's fucking obvious to the point that I disregard the need to mention it

Sure, of course you would search other reasons only because of the obviousness of it.

>They're just on the top three leading causes for spending

And they don't matter because knives are not less deadly and removing guns causes more of them.

>I'm discussing other reasons that surround control of the population

For no reason but anti gun shilling. Nobody asked that from you and nobody believed when your spew this bullshit.

>And it also remains high when they're openly available legally or otherwise

Of course you'd use vague terms like "high" for pushing your agenda. Protip:They're not

>as is evidenced by countries like the US, all the way to wild lands such as the Khyber Pass

Sure thing, anti-gunner shill. Re-read this >>633139 and choke on a policeman dick, nigger scum.

<A government doesn't care about keeping the money it gathers from taxpayers

That's not what i said, you lying nigger. It doesn't care about economically spending the money it gets, only using them so it can ask for more.

>Which they fucking DO

For now the only one who spreads misinformation and propaganda is you. You tell me why are you copying their actions.

>my country's getting rid of its gun laws soon

Aww, aren't guns scary and child-killing machines that increase spending of these taxed dollars? Your posts are terribly incoherent.

>>633304

Also

>The Guardian bullshit with no usable info

>evidence

That's another subhuman lie

>>633319

Do they accept people?

>>633370

Jesus fucking Christ, you couldn't glow more in the dark if you tried.

Don't you have terrorists to arm or dogs to shoot, Mr. Fed?

>>633274

Didn't they kill some ATF agents at Waco before the siege started? That was a critical mistake. Disarm them, take them hostage, tell them to fuck off, but do not kill them, since once you do, the government won't stop until you're dead or arrested. It also bombs your PR, since few people will outwardly support murderers (however justified it might have been)

>>633319

Maybe? I guess a platform outside somalia would work but living off exclusively fish and purified sea water is something I would call a special hell. Without hydroponics technology or stable foreign trade without threat of being overtaken, a cheap seaplatform wouldn't work. Maybe in 2050 when they have floating arcologies.

>>633131

>Some people don't like hurting people and taking their stuff

>So they make a government

>>633098

There is no place. Even if you managed to escape earth, they will never stop trying to enslave you. Be free where you are, or run forever.

>>633242

May you please scan it into PDF?

A leftist won in Mexico. What do you think will happen there? In 5 years it will be worse than the US in 25.

>>633510

Wouldn't he just build an utopia by encouraging every mestizo to go to USA turning Mexico into a non-country that's partitioned by the cartels which employ everyone replacing the public sector?

>>633476

Don't you have dogs to shoot, Mr. Fed?

I wish you a Merry Christmas. May you get cancer as a present.

>>633305

>Keeps whining like a retard after having his ass torn open

You sure like to take a beating, don't you, snownigger?

>And they don't matter because knives are not less deadly and removing guns causes more of them.

They cause as much damage as the police are willing to let happen you triple nigger. Are you implying guns wouldn't make it easier in the hands of immigrants?

>agenda this shill that

Keep spouting buzzwords, tundra rat. Doesn't make you right either way.

>Re-read this

How about you go back to primary school and read a fucking book. No wonder russians have such shitty gun bans, you can't even keep track of a conversation and you think you won't turn into savages the moment you get guns. You're an example why your kind doesn't have the mental faculties to have a civilized nation with a gun culture like the US. That's what you get when the red cull your shithole in the purges and only leave the dumb animals alive. So much for trying so hard to be pro-gun when you haven't fought for your own guns since 1923. Just shut the fuck up already, you useless state slave.

>That's not what i said

<They don't care about preserving "public money"

Stop running away you pathetic rat. They gather public money to keep it for the state and pretend they never had enough to begin with. No wonder you're rotting while Putin plays expansionist at will. You fucking idiot.

>You tell me why are you copying their actions.

I don't have to explain something I'm not doing in the first place. I'm not agreeing with them, I'm telling you how they think. How many fucking times do I have to tell you this before you evolve to subhuman level and fucking get the point? You tell me why you keep restarting an argument I've already proven you wrong and broke your rotten teeth on the pavement in.

>aren't guns scary and child-killing machines that increase spending of these taxed dollars?

They are in the hands of people who freely choose to stop being citizens and use them for criminal purposes. But keep pretending it doesn't happen, and that a man won't do what a man can't do, you starry-eyed retard. You had a civil war to fucking prove my point and you keep being a fucking idiot. Hopefully your shithole country gets nuked soon, one less tumor in this world.

>>633306

>>633522

>They cause as much damage as the police are willing to let happen

Wow, so all you ave to do to prevent crime is to make police want it. What an interesting discovery of a ill brazilian mind.

>Doesn't make you right either way

Yeah, just makes you wrong. Good enough for me.

>So much strawmanning and personal attacks only to hide actual gun statistics.

Nice try.

>Stop running away you

It's you who is running to suck a cock and ask for arguments from someone with a brain. I won't accept your strawmen and

>I don't have to explain something I'm not doing in the first place

Which only proves my point, cianiger.

>I'm not agreeing with them, I'm telling you how they think

Oh, but CNN does that too, it only informs people about "official" view of things. Isn't it great that we have so many good ~goys~ public servants?

>I've already proven you wrong

Keep dreaming, you don't even have an argument, only anti-gun insertions that would hide what your masters don't like.

>They are in the hands of people who freely choose to stop being citizens and use them for criminal purposes

Nice, anti-gunner shows what gun owners in his mind are.

If want to LARP as a Cowboy there's always Africa and Latin America

>>633675

That's some nice bait, but I'll keep hunting and fucking Bambis for as long as I live, thank you very much.

>>634886

Argentina has a bunch of hillbilly sorts who practically are cowboys.

>>634886

>If you LARP as a cowboy in Africa or South America, you are gonna be shot dead.

Just like in the real wild west

Go to Papua New Guinea and renounce your citizenship to render yourself stateless.

>>633122

>>633123

I would volunteer as your fake cult leader if you aren't charismatic / good looking enough. You could pull all the strings of course.

>>633098

You may be able to start a new community in South America. Guyana sounds great this time of year. Easy to bribe politicians and customs. Just don't have another Leo Ryan and you should be good.

>>640355

>>641660

the problem with communities in in the tropics is that life there is shit for a caucasian used to the temperate belt. I can see people joining OP if he promised them a place somewhere in the midwest, where they'd start from scratch, but I suspect they wouldn't be partial to sweating their asses off in the jungle while being eaten alive by mosquitoes.

>>641661

That Jim Jones guy didn't have a problem with the heat. Plus, in Guyana, you can drink the Kool-Aid and all your ills will wash away. I think they actually used Flavor Aid, but same concept.

>>641661

Didn't stop us colonizing large chunks of inhospitable Africa, America and turning them into actual livable places.

OP here if it resets my ID

I was considering somewhere in america or mexico, in a place that could be made fertile enough for an agrarian society but not enough for anyone to care about too many of the resources there. The only thing about the USA and La Federales is that they're invested in proving a point. Somewhere in the 3rd world they might not bother with you all that much.

I consider myself attractive and a good speaker, even charismatic and talented by /k/ standards but I don't believe in the everyman being this way. Most people seem to be sadly content with exchanging their freedoms for fleeting pleasures. I've always been an oddball in that regard.

My current idea is still in motion. I am in the process of building a recreational vehicle with solars and lithion cells. I may convert its engine to electric when the technology is there too but right now I'm just trying to make something secure and mobile enough to search around. I figure if anyone was interested we could start a /k/aravan, nomadically fucking the walmart parkinglots like the tribes of israel before settling down and building a workshop inna woods, but I'm giving it to 2020 to get the details of my ride and several more years to study and look around. I'm serious about this, I can't stand the common wageslave way of life and the widdling of my rights. I don't know where I have to go or what I have to do, but I'm trying right now to be as mobile a bum as I can.

>>642048

I have been planning something similar except with a van but I only do electrical engineering and know little about mechanical/civil engineering. I think you're best off sticking to midwest US, you can't really predict Mexico's government or the Cartel but places like Wyoming are a lot more stable. I'd love to join your /k/aravan though, I fit everything I care about in a backpack and cook almost nothing but legumes so I don't really care where I live as long as I can get internet access to work. I'm predicting something like mass famines in the next 30 years being the source of riots and farm raiding so I want to establish somewhere independent and secure for my family to live. Do you want to share contact info?

>>633108

Hey Surma

>>642048

Following up on Strelok's Taliban suggestion (they famously kept a Russian prisoner as one of their own after the war, so I guess it can happen), there's the Kalash people in Pakistan. Pagan and technically white, so you would not stand out too much.

OP back, been working on this planning lately. I've enrolled in some mechanic and medical programs with some extra money I've got in hopes of certifying myself just to make sure everything's solid and I'm trying for Amateur Extra on HAM. I think satellite internet or WPA2 cracking would be a reliable source of internet, so long as the FCC doesn't mind. I saw some amazing work with a D-star digital radio, a big mobile antennae, and a router that got the equivalent of dialup internet in a desert that some boomer on youtube made, don't remember the video exactly but I've kept it in mind as a possibility. This is the year I actually have a goal.

>>645580

You and I sound similar, I've been subsisting on a sub-60 grocery bill even with intense exercises, dunno if I could eat only legumes but potatos and rice definitely, as well as just general asceticism. If you have a tox or throwaway email or even just want to respond open letter style, I'll definitely be starting some sort of /k/aravan group, blog, you-tube or what have you, but I do recognize that if it isn't done correctly it can compromise my security.

>>655801

It is sad that it's true, but the freedom I value makes 2 and 3 definite options. If I must be relatively or completely alone, that's what it will take, if I must be in leadership to vanguard against the enemies of the /k/aravan, I'll be the fucking van paladin.

Mostly i'm just trying to keep a healthy level of self-skepticism so I don't do anything ridiculous before I'm ready. Hope all my fellow kommandos that feel the same need for freedom at least get a kick out of the intermittent rambles.

>>655801

What about the ocean though? No one try to colonise the underwater world and become proficient at swimming.

>>656888 (checked)

Waterworld has unironically been a child of mine recently, the idea of arcologies. I think in my old age I may attempt to design a self-sufficient houseboat that would allow the individual freedom of movement and sufficient living standards but it's a lot easier said than done.

>>656888

People tried and especially the 60s/70s saw resources poured into experiments, cf. CONSHELF, Sealab I and II, Helgoland etc.

Look into the Hydra experiments done by Comex for something interesting stuff wrt saturation diving and breathing gas mixes made of helium, hydrogen and oxygen used at depths exceeding 500m.

>>655801

>>655801

I'm glad /k/ has completely grown out of lolbeturdianism.

>>633512

Actual ancaptistan? Sounds better than what we have currently tbh